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Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:06:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:December 20th is the make or break day for EVE online and CCP. It is the date when CCPGÇÖs dominance over the Sci-Fi MMO will be tested. Are you :fearless: enough or will you shrink to the occasion? Will CCP rise to the occasion and bring about the promised time for EVE Online, when all unfinished expansion will be iterated on. Will it be a time when gaping chest wounds and emersion breaking game mechanics will be fixed? When constant ship balancing and module tweaking is in every patch note. Only time will tell. However, one thing we do know is that after Dec 20th EVE will not be the same again.
It will have absolutely no effect on Eve Online, it's a completely different game, genre and type.
Do you really think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that is mostly ground based? After the uproar over wlking in stations/incarna being implemented over flying in space i doubt it highly.
Do you think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that has spaceship content that is like firing a gun on a rollercoaster? I think not.
Do you think people who are used to the complexity of this game would go to a game that is effectively another wow clone with no inteligence needed? Really, what are you smoking?
It might atract a few of our players, but out of those it does most will come back with their tails between their legs after realising it's just another boring grindfest with no skill required. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:29:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:SWTOR = Mass EVE = Niche
They're aiming at different audiences.
At least SWTOR will discourage the higher ups at CCP from aiming at the lowest common denominator mass market too much.
Or possibly it will lead to them saying "we want a piece of the action" and start a race to the bottom. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:34:00 -
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I believe SW:TOR will be a flop. Why? Because as far as I know its going to be yet another wow-clone. It might survive because it is star wars and pulls in fans, but then again star wars is getting kind of old.
ps. Eve still gots ways to go. Theres lot in it thats still good. Its just been heading the wrong way for a while and now needs to dig the map out of its pocket. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:44:00 -
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To the OP - you are sooooo out of touch, I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about.
If you had any clue at all, you would have noticed that Tanks and Perpetuum have long since had a palatable welcome for leaving EVE players. You mistakenly assume that just "space" is the dominating factor for your average EVE player.... One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:49:00 -
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Any that leave Eve for SW:ToR will come rushing back, bringing SW:ToR nubs with them, when CCP announces the mystery about the Sleepers we've all been waiting for...
The Sleepers are Ewoks. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:03:00 -
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Naran Eto wrote: It will have absolutely no effect on Eve Online, it's a completely different game, genre and type.
Do you really think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that is mostly ground based? After the uproar over wlking in stations/incarna being implemented over flying in space i doubt it highly.
Many on this forum claim that WIS detractors are just a vocal minority, and that most welcome the avatar based GÇÿgameplayGÇÖ, even in limited scope. These players would be very tempted by a quality game where flying in space is limited in scope and the avatar gameplay is the main attraction.
Naran Eto wrote:Do you think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that has spaceship content that is like firing a gun on a rollercoaster? I think not. Doing missions is probably equivalent to that. In the past couple of years I tried running missions a few times and found them to be very dangerous because I kept falling asleep.
Naran Eto wrote:Do you think people who are used to the complexity of this game would go to a game that is effectively another wow clone with no inteligence needed? Really, what are you smoking? No, but then those are not the people we are talking about.
Naran Eto wrote:It might atract a few of our players, but out of those it does most will come back with their tails between their legs after realising it's just another boring grindfest with no skill required. This depends much more on the quality of the game, rather than on the GÇÿgrindfestGÇÖ game mechanics that have been proven to satisfy millions. Add to that the SCi-fi setting and you have something that could be exactly what these players are looking for.
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AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:17:00 -
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Remember how that song said video killed the radio star but then it really didnt?
This is that except with internet spaceships and star wars fags. |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:40:00 -
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Well let's see, I could sub to TOR and EVE simultaneously, get inevitably bored with TOR and have wasted my money, or...I could just wait for Guild Wars 2, play a much better game, and not have to pay two sub fees. |
quickshot89
89th Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:58:00 -
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December 20th, the day all the moaners quit for a month to try KOTOR before they come crawling back to eve |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:10:00 -
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quickshot89 wrote:December 20th, the day all the moaners quit for a month to try KOTOR before they come crawling back to eve
I've been re-playing KOTOR 2 lately, ******* love it :P
The two games don't compare to each other, but that doesn't matter. If you've got a strict checklist for what you require in a game then of course you're going to limit yourself to a single one.
Me? I don't much care about a sandbox (at least, not one that claims to be a sandbox when it really isn't). I don't put labels on gameplay mechanics, or have strict requirements as to what must be included in a game (ie. It must have a player driven market etc).
If it's fun, i'l play it until it ceases to be fun.
I've played eve for nearly 5 years, and for me, it has ceased to be fun. I cant say if it is down to the developement, the general attitude of ccp, the controversial deployment of incarna, or just the fact that i have been there and done it all. Either way, I'l be playing something else until that ceases to be fun. I'l check back on eve periodically because it is full of potential, but right now, it's just another game to me as opposed to the special thing it used to be.
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Kryss Darkdust
Darkdust Industries Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:28:00 -
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I played games before Eve, I have left Eve andlayed other MMOS over the years and I will play games long after Eve. The point here is that Im a gamer, not an Eve..r. That said no matter what games have come along, I always end up back here and always for the same reason... Other games have never turned out to be better than Eve. This new release from Bioware looks awsome and come Dec 20th you can bet your ass I will be killing **** with laser swords but I suspect once the novalty wares off I will be back here. Its just the way it is. |
Armtoe
One.
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:51:00 -
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TOR has "warzones" hence it is not open world pvp. Therefore, if you favor open world pvp you are not going to switch from eve to TOR. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.09.26 16:58:00 -
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To reach December 20, they have to survive October 28... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:42:00 -
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I can garuntee that SW TOR will steal more wow players than eve players percentage wise. |
CaptainFalcon07
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:58:00 -
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Forget about TOR, on October 25th when BF3 comes out, Im gonna be playing that **** and put my subs on hold. Then Rage will come soon after. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:59:00 -
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ToR will be exactly what every other game is to me. That other game im playing while EvE is running on my other screen... |
Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:04:00 -
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I'm gonna be giving SWTOR a try for sure.
Doesn't mean I'm gonna quit EvE though....I may not play much for a while, but I doubt a wow clone with lightsabers will fill my EvE niche. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:06:00 -
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Well, to be fairGǪ Rogue Squadron was a nice game for its time, so it's about time that someone tries to compete with itGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Zen Sarum
Hour of Reckoning Dee Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:34:00 -
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After the 20th of December 2011 EVE will become even more niche..
New or casual players will move over to play it and many of the people CCP was aiming for with WIS will see SW:TOR as far superior to what they would have liked to see from an interaction and storyline point of view (ie not a Door). It will also see massive expansions and cash thrown at it, in what will certainly be a very polished product which is easy to play and immersive from some great developers.
Is this a good thing or bad? Do we really want to lose new or casual players that don't love eve, maybe?
Are we happy to see more competition in this general market, yes.
Today EVE has a monopoly on what you could call genericly call massive multiplayer sci-fi online game and draws many new players because of it. I have flown with many of them and helped them to understand how to enjoy EVE. This is despite any shortcoming on New player experience or any issues that player will have to work and learn to play EVE well and learn how to actually enjoy the game (a game you have to learn how to enjoy? That is some dedicated player base!).
This will not happen going forwards, in fact it is already not happening. In the past I have noticed lots of new players trying EVE liking it and or giving up, maybe coming back afterwards, but there was a constant stream. Today I struggle more then ever to find 'a new player'. This is the reality even before the 20th, what happens after this? Not much or quite allot.. it all depends on CCP..
So CCP have to ensure they deliver massive bold expansions that are polished to support the 'niche' of detailed immersive FiS and the grand storylines, atmosphere and unique universe people will be drawn to. In addition there is WiS content which was long promised to purely support FiS and player interactivity (not to act as a test platform to support other games and a thinly veiled disguise to profit from an ingame shop with no actual content).
This wonderful universe CCP originally developed and gave to us, when did this dream die?
A universe they stopped developing and left to flounder, hoping their players fill in the development gaps, the story and always and forever to ultimately beta test it for them. Without players there is no content. Without new players there is no future. Without content there is no game.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:52:00 -
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That new starwars game is just more of the same old tired mmo garbage that has been saturating the market for the last 7 or 8 years. It's basically WoW reskinned, and it going to suck worse than WoW for the most part. Every part of the mechanics is just tired and overdone and frankly boring as ****.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:19:00 -
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Those claiming it'l be another "wow clone" are being rather short sighted and obviously just looking at the ui and saying huurdurrwowclonelol. Take some time to look at the info released at the various expo's, it's actually rather promising. It isn't eve, and it doesn't claim to be some limitless sandbox, but then eve fails horribly to deliver on the sandbox claim anyway.
It looks like fun, especially for fans of the KOTOR games, and so far only limited info on the pvp mechanics have been revealed so all these people who claim to know everything about the game inside out and back to front are really just hurfblurf blowers.
Comparing SWTOR to EVE is pretty pointless though. You might as well say that diablo 3 will steal eve players, or skyrim will steal eve players. Sure, eve players may leave to play those games, but that doesn't mean that you can draw direct comparisons between the games and play "top trumps" with each games main features. People will play whatever they find fun, they aren't limited to only playing games with open world pvp, or player driven markets etc etc
"oh no open world pvp? NO DEAL! I don't care how good the rest of the features are, or how much fun there is to be had, it is a matter of PRINCIPLES!".
Get a grip, and accept that while there aren't any games out there that claim to have the features eve does, there ARE plenty of games out there that are more fun.
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