big words from a small face

SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.

I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest.

It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi.

Riggs

You might be completely right. Who knows; however, the fact remains that another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP is and a fan base that is pumped up because it's shinny and branding is what they want does shuffle the deck a little in the Sci-Fi MMO world. Discount it all you want, but I believe that it will hurt CCP's bottom line (in the form of furloughed subs) at-least until the new and shinny wears off.

For sure, there is nothing else quite like EVE out there; however, If they continue to ignore their customers and neglect their flagship product (eve online) customers will eventually find other places to spend their money. (I point to Netflix as an example) I'm an optimist sometimes; however, even now its hard for me to see the light after :18months: of no FiS content and a management team that seems hostile to our CSM (The embodied voice of the EVE Online customer [for better or worse])

Maybe but they are no less true because of it.

SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.

When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose.

Granted, there are a lot of things wrong with the game, (most everyone will agree with me on that) and everyone has their opinion on what is and is not broken. The main issue is not that its not getting fixed but instead the lack of confidence and trust the customers have with CCP ATM. That is the make or break issue with the EVE community.

big words from a small face

I think the bigger issue here and as always is not competition, but distraction.

of course SWTOR is not EVE, nor is it supposed to be but face it, if people buy it and like it and play it they are not playing eve as much.

its folly to assume TOR is a replacement for anything, the reality is that it covers a broad scope of a demographic that includes niche games like eve.

the danger is if people have more fun playing WoW with lightsabers they may be more inclined to put their eve sub on hold until they burn out, or simply not play so much and only log in to add a skill to the queue.

people joke about winter coming, but winter could actually be pretty slow around these parts.

lets just hope all the botters and farmers flock there and leave eve alone

... yeah right...

Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.

Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.

Riggs

The average EVE player is a mission whoring carebear playing a single-player game with almost no connection to the sandbox. To these players the only attraction seems to be the sci-fi nature of the genre.

Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.

Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.

Yes, they are two different games. However I would suggest most EVE players are also in their core Star Wars fans. Given the choice to fly a Raven in the same L4 over and over again as opposed to playing a game in which you can have your companion Wookie and play through some novel content, I would think a fair amount of players may choose the latter. At least until they get bored doing the same quests and encounters over and over again.

I don't think SW TOR is a big threat to EVE. At most it might take away some players who played EVE not because it was a sandbox but because it is about space, and i honestly doubt there are many of those around.

It's like saying a new average Volkswagen will cause Porsche to lose a lot of their costumers. Both cars are made for different markets , one for the masses the other for a particular niche.

Don't forget the 'walking inside you ship'. This feature alone will be a huge draw for this kind of player.

Yes, they are two different games. However I would suggest most EVE players are also in their core Star Wars fans. Given the choice to fly a Raven in the same L4 over and over again as opposed to playing a game in which you can have your companion Wookie and play through some novel content, I would think a fair amount of players may choose the latter. At least until they get bored doing the same quests and encounters over and over again.

Star Wars Episode IV is an overrated fairy tale in space. I was 12 years old when I saw it the first time and I was disapointed. I still think the movie sucks. Star Wars Galaxies was a decent MMORPG when it started, because it was a sandbox. It's a shame Sony+LucasArt destroyed it. Star Wars The Old Republic will not be a sandbox, it does not have spaceships, and it will feature Jedi who can't kill weak enemies without hitting them over and over. SW:TOR is not able to damage EVE. Microtransactions and P2W are.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.

First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.

Have you played the Bata?

There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.

There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

Apparently you can't fly with your group in the ship though...

Depends. I still think the Star Wars movies are boring and overrated. And since these are my feelings about the movies, I think I know very well what I am talking about. Regarding space combat in SWTOR: I asked a question about it, so yeah, I do not know.

I'm sure you know what you like and not like (to each their own) i was refuting your comments about SW:TOR FiS aspect. Prob used a little too strong of language there.

Porsche now owns Volkswagon - just saying.

I was like you. I would not have posted this unless i felt that my hobby (EVE Online) might be in for some rocky few months after Dec because of SW:TOR.

Granted, there is a good chunk of CCP fanbois out there and my argument is not that SW:TOR will "KILL" EVE. what I'm saying is that the days of the easy money from the average player who High Sec mission runs and plays the single player version of this game is over. This will affect all of us by limiting the amount of resources EVE will get between Dust and WoD even further.

Essentially my argument is this, CCP needs to reconnect to its customers and start heeding the warnings from the CSM and :Deliver: current content iteration.

Nailed it. EVE has less than 3 months to provide a content-rich, proper expansion with things for the average player to do. Come winter EVE will face pressure not only from TOR, but WoW (patch 4.3 - Deathwing), Battlefield, Skyrim and countless other competitors. This will be a competitive time for any production house and any misstep could have rather drastic consequenses.

Your acting like there's a fragile amount of potential players to distribute between said games, lol.
There's enough to go around, and people tend to play multiple games at once... just because your playing Battlefield or Skyrim doesn't mean you've unsubbed and stopped training your EVE account for example.

I take it you have studied the material Bioware has released so far to make that ridiculous claim?

ToR appears to be nothing more than WoW in the SW universe with significantly overproduced "gameplay". They didn't even consider PvP as anything other than a side thing until in the 11th hour for Goddess sake, then they hired a more or less complete Dev team from a successful PvP (dead now though ) game to do it for them (PvP is by which ToR will live or die in the market).

Classes and sub-classes between the two sides are nearly identical except for a bit of flavouring,
Generic 3rd person ground based game,
Attack animations (we moan about ECM locking you out of the action, wait until that crap hits the news),
Theme-park,
Friggin tweens! (think Eve is immature at times?, think WoW morons who probably hasn't seen or read SW other than the new fail trilogy/comics).

I did read get my hopes up when I heard they hired the Warhammer team to code their pew but it seems like it is going to be a bunch of battleground affairs, nothing more .. been there, done that.

In short: Your claim is about as apt as a direct comparison between 2001: A Space Odyssey and Independence Day.

Apparntly the economic downturn has not affected you good sir.

The average Joe wont or cant afford playing multiple sub type MMOs, IMHO

if i remember right, there were several simillar threads to this at about the time Star Trek Online was being prepped for final release....
and that was yet another bag of epic fail.

as for TOR... it's a game about jedi & sith.

EvE is a game about Spaceships and capsuleers. There is a VAST difference between the two.

yes they are both sci-fi, but that is where the simillarity ends.

-Rok

All apt description of 1/2 the game.

Like I said earlier, this is not WoW w/ light sabers. IMHO Lucus Arts learned their lessons with SWG and incorporated both a liner story line flavor and a sandbox flavor inside the same game.

BTW, SW;ToR will have a player ran market just like EVE. What that means, who knows... ???

A quick comment about the STO comparison. STO failed under its own merits. CCP did not steel the players back from STO, they came back willingly.

I very much doubt they will have. They have not had PVP in their minds from the start, that means it will be a pretty shoddy thing, something half assed.

It is just a big wow clone in space designed to suck more money out of the star wars fan base, yet again. And giving nothing of worth the the players other then to tour soem representation of the SW universe. Kind of a single player thing.

Not to mention that they are somewhat limited in their game lore and mechanincs relations, where EVE is free to do what they want since they invented the lore for the game.

In EVE, the market works since we have losses of ships and other stuff. And it is all based around PVP at is core.

...BTW, SW;ToR will have a player ran market just like EVE. What that means, who knows... ???

I have every faith that ToR will fail under it's own merits. Bioware deliberately copied the WoW gameplay schema claiming that WoW set the industry standard and doing anything else is a mistake.

maybe pressing 1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,4 and calling it "gameplay" was acceptable 6 years ago, but the industry is moving on, and Bioware isn't moving with it.

And as a quick aside, I love Star Wars, but it isn't Science Fiction. I'm sorry if that hurts to hear. A story about a boy who learns the forgotten magic arts of the knights of an ancient kingdom from a wise old mentor and goes forth to do battle against the forces of evil is Fantasy. It's about as Fantasy as Fantasy gets. Spaceships do not define the Science Fiction genre. Star Wars is as much Science Fiction as Lord of the Rings.

We can argue the potential success and failure of SW:tor until the cows come home. One thing is for sure, SW:TOR has alot of potential and with it, a lot of excitement to which EVE does not have atm.

Your opinion, I see things turning around beautifully for EVE. I'm excited for the winter expansion, ship/weapon re-balance and CCP's generally renewed focus. I will also be playing TOR over xmas, but I know I'll get bored of that 'safe' environment while EVE continually holds my interests since 2003.

SWTOR = Mass
EVE = Niche

They're aiming at different audiences.

At least SWTOR will discourage the higher ups at CCP from aiming at the lowest common denominator mass market too much.

I've played the Beta of SWTOR.

Its WoW but with lightsabers and Real Voice Artists and thats it.

The graphics are sucky, you have your usual DPS/Tank/Healer/Glass Canon characters, you usuall go and kill x of these guys, go and collect x of these items.

The only MMO's who will lose players are those who follow the WoW model.

And pressing F1 - F8 is not.

We can argue the potential success and failure of SW:tor until the cows come home. One thing is for sure, SW:TOR has alot of potential and with it, a lot of excitement to which EVE does not have atm.

BTW, you might want to call netflix, blockbuster, ect and tell them to move starwars from the Sci-Fi shelf to the fantasy shelf then.

I'm in the TOR beta test and can assure you that CCP has absolutely nothing to fear from TOR.

Only time will tell. However, one thing we do know is that after Dec 20th EVE will not be the same again.

When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose.

another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid..... Obviously, a Star Wars game would not be a Star Wars game without space combat, (which it has), Dev's on the forum have said they will be beefing up space combat a lot but the framework is built from game launch.

As stated in a earlier post, The majority of High-Sec play EVE Online (single player version) With missions and mining. I would think that this game will be very attractive to this type of crowed which make up a good majority of the player-base.

I would not have posted this unless i felt that my hobby (EVE Online) might be in for some rocky few months after Dec because of SW:TOR.

Like I said earlier, this is not WoW w/ light sabers. IMHO Lucus Arts learned their lessons with SWG and incorporated both a liner story line flavor and a sandbox flavor inside the same game.

BTW, SW;ToR will have a player ran market just like EVE. What that means, who knows... ???

One thing is for sure, SW:TOR has alot of potential and with it, a lot of excitement to which EVE does not have atm.

Then, I've seen people staring at blinking yellow lights at intersections totally lost to the world - a creeping vegetative state.

And I betcha they were all driving Hulks.

Amirite? Amirite?

Gameplay footage of SW:TOR's spaceships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGMZson6rw&t=2m13s
Try not to laugh/cry.

I've played the Beta of SWTOR.

Its WoW but with lightsabers and Real Voice Artists and thats it.

The graphics are sucky, you have your usual DPS/Tank/Healer/Glass Canon characters, you usuall go and kill x of these guys, go and collect x of these items.

The only MMO's who will lose players are those who follow the WoW model.

December 20th is the make or break day for EVE online and CCP. It is the date when CCPGÇÖs dominance over the Sci-Fi MMO will be tested. Are you :fearless: enough or will you shrink to the occasion? Will CCP rise to the occasion and bring about the promised time for EVE Online, when all unfinished expansion will be iterated on. Will it be a time when gaping chest wounds and emersion breaking game mechanics will be fixed? When constant ship balancing and module tweaking is in every patch note. Only time will tell. However, one thing we do know is that after Dec 20th EVE will not be the same again.

SWTOR = Mass
EVE = Niche

They're aiming at different audiences.

At least SWTOR will discourage the higher ups at CCP from aiming at the lowest common denominator mass market too much.

It will have absolutely no effect on Eve Online, it's a completely different game, genre and type.

Do you really think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that is mostly ground based? After the uproar over wlking in stations/incarna being implemented over flying in space i doubt it highly.

Do you think people that are used to flying around as we do in space ships will go to a game that has spaceship content that is like firing a gun on a rollercoaster? I think not.

Do you think people who are used to the complexity of this game would go to a game that is effectively another wow clone with no inteligence needed? Really, what are you smoking?

It might atract a few of our players, but out of those it does most will come back with their tails between their legs after realising it's just another boring grindfest with no skill required.

December 20th, the day all the moaners quit for a month to try KOTOR before they come crawling back to eve

Gameplay footage of SW:TOR's spaceships: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGMZson6rw&t=2m13s
Try not to laugh/cry.