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Olleybear Minmatar I R' Carebear	Posted - 2010.12.17 08:07:00 - [181] Originally by: Cearain Believe me the best boost for solo pvpers would be tweaking the fw complex system. I'm going to agree with you there. Think you said a little earlier in the thread making it so 2 - 5 people could be in the plex would help. You are absolutely right.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.17 10:04:00 - [182] Originally by: Noemi DeFarrel Lots of interesting stuff throughout the thread, would be fun if there was something like a constellation/region that prohibited the use of fleets. Sure ppl could still run around and camp together but would make solo'n a bit more viable no? Not something I thought to hard on but would be interesting none the less =p Long an short of it is, decent solo pvp may take hours or a quick few mins to find but if your serious about solo'n then well eve is just that much harder for you no use crying on it over forums, its already pretty well known that its dying/less popular. Perhaps you could find something else to do that gives you the thrill you seek. Crying and whining is a well known and effective means of having things changed in game. How do you think we got into this blob fest garbage pvp we have in EvE now. People whining and crying about stuff and asking for changes. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Misstress Iteron	Posted - 2010.12.17 10:14:00 - [183] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Crying and whining is a well known and effective means of having things changed in game. How do you think we got into this blob fest garbage pvp we have in EvE now. People whining and crying about stuff and asking for changes. Blobs happen in every MMO, its just EVE lets us have much larger blobs and a bigger reason to win a fight. People are just going to have to learn to fight around them.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:08:00 - [184] Originally by: Drakarin EvE is a fantastic game for anyone who simply wants to hurt and cause a bit of suffering in others. It seriously seems to be built around this concept. One of their previous adverts showcased corp theft as a game feature. I ♥ EVE. Quote: I do not demand every fight be fair, far from it, I do see the problem being the players themselves though. Everyone simply wants to win for the sake of winning. There is no point. You want to increase your KM stats at any cost. Screw fun. This is war. OK, I'm going to stop trolling you for a bit. The actual outright ganks aren't fun (well, at least until the guy starts sperging in local or private convo), it's the thrill of the hunt. Usually my advantages are quite temporary, the ratter I'm shooting in an anom or a belt would have to be literally dumb to not call for help. Sometimes I get ECM droned and they escape, sometimes I see a fight I don't like incoming on D-scan and leave, sometimes it's bait. You seem to be enjoying the fight for the sake of the fight, whereas I play the game on a different level, where it's trap and counter-trap. Quote: In real life that makes sense. I think people have forgotten that this is a game, meant to be enjoyed. Using 3 alts to gain an advantage is not fun. It does nothing but show that you have lots of money and time to waste on a game in order to be "badass". I make enough ISK to pay for everything I need (including PLEX) in about 6 hours of carebearing a week. Time is certainly valid though, EVE isn't a casual-friendly game and rewards people for activity. And playing without alts is basically like crippling yourself. Quote: Yeah sure, winning would be fun for a few battles when the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor, but the novelty will wear off very quickly. The only kind of fights that stay forever fresh and exciting are the unexpected spontaneous battles where you have no real idea if you will win or not. See, this goes right back to the metagame I described before. The interesting part for me is basically getting away with robbing Ft. Knox, repeatedly. Sometimes I take obvious bait, gambling that I can get the kill before the blob lands. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, sometimes a Rapier and Oneiros uncloak, I realize the Raven is armor tanked and then die horribly as 20 people land on me. I don't always win by any stretch of the imagination. Even triple boxing with a Falcon. Quote: It's truly disgusting tbh. My e-hono(u)r backbone!
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:10:00 - [185] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 17/12/2010 11:13:40 One of the strange things is that I never PvPed as little in a mmo game as in EVE, while it's supposed to be a PvP focussed game. It's EXTREMELY hard to get some challenging PvP, somethimes I think PvP in EVE is only meant as PvPPPP. Or PPPPPPPvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. And so on. PvP hardly exists and if you find it at all it usually become PvPPP. In EVE by far the most people don't fight for fun or a challenge, they fight only to win.
Michwich	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:22:00 - [186] Edited by: Michwich on 17/12/2010 11:23:19 Originally by: Pychian Vanervi Its rare I post so it may end up being worthless and not very elloquent at all but here goes. As far as I can tell solo PvP is pretty much a damned trade. Its possible to do it and I like to find it where ever I can. Issue I see is that many see lose as a failure and thus any risk of loss will equal possible failure. Now in a radical and I suspect not alone (maybe 1 or 2 others) in this thought, I dont mind loss. Loss in the right way usually means I have had fun. Fair enough getting your lonely behind ganked isnt fun and seeing your gang get stomped is not great fun but if the fight is fun then why cant the loss be fun. Risk in my eyes makes the whole game more engaging which is why I have kept reasonably active for so long in game. If more were less occupied with the great isk race then they may think about stepping out and just flying about looking for random fights. And no need to be a 1v1 I enjoy nothing more than picking on a group and trying to get the upper hand and picking off the odd ship. Usually end up in a pod but beats the ship out of spinning ships or waiting for an even fight. I like to think I am a mix of bold and stupid, seems to work ok for 75% of the time in game and the other 25% a laugh off and move on. I am sure the above is less than intersting or even makes sense but wanted to try and convey that new or old can fight solo, just grab your balls and give it a go. Some you win some you lose but take it all with a pinch of salt and have fun doing it. Right on, if the fights fun, isk loss doenst matter as much. In successful pvp games, the fight is fun even when no stakes are involved, adding risk to the equation just makes it better. In this game, the fight isnt fun. Its all about isk, which if you looked at it objectively theres no reason to fight if its all about the isk. Its more profitable not too, and its not fun too. No surprise we have to persuade people to pvp by calling them names, raging on them that they dont want to or making up wordy arguments as to why they should.. Shouldnt have to do that.
Misstress Iteron	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:53:00 - [187] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 17/12/2010 11:13:40 One of the strange things is that I never PvPed as little in a mmo game as in EVE, while it's supposed to be a PvP focussed game. It's EXTREMELY hard to get some challenging PvP, somethimes I think PvP in EVE is only meant as PvPPPP. Or PPPPPPPvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. And so on. PvP hardly exists and if you find it at all it usually become PvPPP. In EVE by far the most people don't fight for fun or a challenge, they fight only to win. I seem to be bucking the trend
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:40:00 - [188] Nice to see infinity failzona all over this thread. Someone who thinks soloing involves 3+ cloaky ships and ganking plex runners and sets up challenges when told he is a failure then biomasses out of embarrasment. I wonder how you got your character back by the way. Solo pvp is alive, it's obviously harder than roaming in a gang but it is rewarding. You can't expect fair fights but if you adapt to the environment and fly appropriate ships you can take on blobs and survive. OR you can take on blobs and kill a significant amount of them before dying yourself. Solo pvp is absolutely NOT about trying to find a fair fight, its about using skill to outclass incompetent people. ~
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.17 14:52:00 - [189] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Nice to see infinity failzona all over this thread. Someone who thinks soloing involves 3+ cloaky ships and ganking plex runners and sets up challenges when told he is a failure then biomasses out of embarrasment. I wonder how you got your character back by the way. Solo pvp is alive, it's obviously harder than roaming in a gang but it is rewarding. You can't expect fair fights but if you adapt to the environment and fly appropriate ships you can take on blobs and survive. OR you can take on blobs and kill a significant amount of them before dying yourself. Solo pvp is absolutely NOT about trying to find a fair fight, its about using skill to outclass incompetent people. Yawn. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
RoyAraym Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:26:00 - [190] Solo-PvP in EvE? Learn how it is like, in the game, by History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck ... let me guess if you find the analogy... --------- Beware: a Ninja Made in Italy!
Misstress Iteron	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:57:00 - [191] Originally by: RoyAraym Solo-PvP in EvE? Learn how it is like, in the game, by History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck ... let me guess if you find the analogy... They got hotdropped by carriers and were hull tankers.

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