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Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:26:00 - [61] ..with so many soloers around you think they would have already some kind of communication in place to meet each other from time to time. Something like a localisation system out of game which tracks the pilots roughly. If anyone doesn't honour the 1v1 he looses access to this system. I mean, if there are really that many of you guys out there, then there should be enough diversity to make it non-boring. Something like RvB, just tailored for 1v1 in an open club.. It's a sandbox, make you some shovels! support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:47:00 - [62] Edited by: Mire Stoude on 12/12/2010 18:47:48 I don't know what you mean. I travel around solo all the time and find good fun fights. It usually only takes a few minutes to find a good fight. A lot of times I engage the enemy when I'm outnumbered. I will usually be able to kill 1 or 2 of them before I die or run away. Sometimes I kill 4-5 people all grouped together with PvP fits. Other times I'm unlucky and I die without even seeing my aggressor. But I always have fun... Oh wai... that's not Eve, thats World of Tanks. My bad. Yah, in Eve solo fights are usually just ganks. (bitter vet checking in)
Feilamya Missions Mining and Mayhem	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:22:00 - [63] Originally by: Infinity Ziona People who say you can solo fine are lying. Its extremely difficult. Everything in this game is extremely difficult. That's why we play it. Why do you?
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.12.12 19:51:00 - [64] Edited by: hjgjgfgfgsj on 12/12/2010 19:52:13 No. They're right. Solo is dead. It's rediculously hard, you cannot spend your time jumping through lowsec systems without getting double webbed by a loki at 40km and missiles spammed on you by his buddy in a legion at a gate any more. Nor can you hope to find a fight in a lowsec with system with more than 20 people in it because after it's reaches those numbers, that means there is a blob in system b8ing all the noobs. I am probably going to end up quitting soon. The game just isn't fun any more. You can spend hours trying to find a good fight and the only one you can kill are ******ed noobs ratting in a destroyer, anything you find that would be a good and easy kill like aa FOTM dramiel roaming around is almost always going to be bait. You can forget about engaging any ship smaller than you because if a frig is willing to engage a cruiser/bc they are bait, and same goes for a cruiser engaging a bc/bs. There are no more 1v1s. There are no more good fights. If you want to solo with a good K/D ratio now you need to ONLY engage other solo pilots and noob and you better be damn sure they are solo and not baiting, and this kind of stuff takes a looong time to get right, taking all the fun out of soloing. In the end, you have to realize that eve is full of noobs in gatecamps trying to get their kd up and that's it. And if you try to solo without taking you sweeet time you will end up feeding them.
Candente Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:03:00 - [65] add an arena system. problem solved. ------------- rawr~
Shiho Weitong Caldari Koa Mai Hoku	Posted - 2010.12.12 20:33:00 - [66] Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj It's rediculously hard, you cannot spend your time jumping through lowsec systems without getting double webbed by a loki at 40km and missiles spammed on you by his buddy in a legion at a gate any more. So after the double web, why don't you just warp away? I mean.. Align time after double web on anything that it's reasonable to solo with in lowsec would be less than 2 seconds... ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:01:00 - [67] Originally by: xtLoveBird defiant is always willing to 1v1 anyone, anytime, anywhere. DEFI4NT Honoring the 1vs1 is an entirely different matter, however. ---
ARES 8	Posted - 2010.12.12 21:04:00 - [68] Originally by: Shiho Weitong Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj It's rediculously hard, you cannot spend your time jumping through lowsec systems without getting double webbed by a loki at 40km and missiles spammed on you by his buddy in a legion at a gate any more. So after the double web, why don't you just warp away? I mean.. Align time after double web on anything that it's reasonable to solo with in lowsec would be less than 2 seconds... Well he meaans you are obviously warp disrupted and are flying away from your enemy at like 3-400 m/s spamming the warp button and just die without any chance. TBH you can get out of situations like that if you're in something like a Dramiel, but then your targets are narrowed down to frig/dessies and noobs in cruisers.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.13 00:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Shiho Weitong Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj It's rediculously hard, you cannot spend your time jumping through lowsec systems without getting double webbed by a loki at 40km and missiles spammed on you by his buddy in a legion at a gate any more. So after the double web, why don't you just warp away? I mean.. Align time after double web on anything that it's reasonable to solo with in lowsec would be less than 2 seconds... .... /warpjammed in under 1 second. This is so common, you making that comment makes me wonder if you ever have been in a PvP situation...
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Infinity Ziona People who say you can solo fine are lying. Its extremely difficult. Everything in this game is extremely difficult. That's why we play it. Why do you? No. Everything in this game is mostly too easy. 0.0 is safer then empire, blobbing is easy, isk making is easy, escaping is easy, detecting non-consensual pvp is easy, travel is easy. I'm one of the few people who still play EvE on hardmode. I find it amusing you think everything is so difficult when things have been made so easy. The only difficult things in EvE is finding a non-gank fight, and fighting a non-gank fight without getting bumrushed by a horde of ******s. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2010.12.13 01:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Candente add an arena system. problem solved. No. Big thrill of the PvP, bar the risks involved, is the hunt. How the initiation of the fight is executed. Scouting, range, distances, etc. Solo PvP is diffrent for different people tho, some want a ship of size X to go up against a ship of equal size. Others want the option to move around trying ot pick fights vs equal OR (on paper) tougher/bigger groups. Two major issues for both those examples is a) local as inteltool and b) blobcamps (usually with instalock and ecm). Two days to 'fix' PvP for those interested in small scale combat would be to remove local (for one). And another would be to try change the player mentality back to where players actually do feel like fighting, even when put at risk. The first has an obvious solution, the second is alot harder to implement. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Jan'z Kolna Ore Mongers BAT PHONE	Posted - 2010.12.13 04:17:00 - [72] Originally by: xtLoveBird defiant is always willing to 1v1 anyone, anytime, anywhere. you mean 1 alliance vs 1 alliance pretty much sums up this thread CETERUM CENSEO CALDARI NERFAM ESSE
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.12.13 04:40:00 - [73] FW is a decent place to find solo pvp. Sassy B is in FW. Solo pvp doesn't mean 1v1. I have had many good fights in a cruiser fighting a few frigates or ceptors. If ccp ever got around to tweaking the plexes in fw, solo and small gang (I should say tiny gang - like 2-5) would have a reason to rejoice. I still try to use the plexes to help prevent getting blobbed but itÆs often a waste of time. Often the opposing faction never even know you are in the plex! You end up spending allot of time with npcs. When your in a large fleet it usually doesn't really matter how you fit or fly your ship. As long as you don't self destruct or start shooting friendlies you should do fine. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 04:43:00 - [74] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Candente add an arena system. problem solved. No. Big thrill of the PvP, bar the risks involved, is the hunt. How the initiation of the fight is executed. Scouting, range, distances, etc. Solo PvP is diffrent for different people tho, some want a ship of size X to go up against a ship of equal size. Others want the option to move around trying ot pick fights vs equal OR (on paper) tougher/bigger groups. Two major issues for both those examples is a) local as inteltool and b) blobcamps (usually with instalock and ecm). Two days to 'fix' PvP for those interested in small scale combat would be to remove local (for one). And another would be to try change the player mentality back to where players actually do feel like fighting, even when put at risk. The first has an obvious solution, the second is alot harder to implement. I will sometimes spend hours, sometimes on a weekend I spend an entire day locating, tracking and setting up a single kill. The fun for me is purely hunting someone who knows I am hunting them, avoiding their predictable gangs hunting me and trying to out think them or predict correctly what they will do next so that I will be there when they do it. I could just go sit in a system with a bunch of people and kill a random person every few minutes but its pointless, has no skill involved and so is a valueless kill. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Sid Zero State Wh0re Academy	Posted - 2010.12.13 06:23:00 - [75] Flew around lowsec in an Ishkur for three days. On the second day, got baited and died. On the third day, solo'ed a cane :D Solo pvp might be hard, but that's probably why it's so incredibly satisfying.
Sirez Cartwright Caldari Kuat Drive Yard	Posted - 2010.12.13 10:47:00 - [76] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I'm one of the few people who still play EvE on hardmode. I find it amusing you think everything is so difficult when things have been made so easy. You sound like a condescending hipster. Did you like EVE before it was cool?
Geanos Phoenix Tribe	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:00:00 - [77] Reading through this thread, my conclusion is that you need a lot of free time for successful solo/small gang PVP. Meh but true
Dr Jamius Gallente NEW EDEN CLEANING SERVICES INC.	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:14:00 - [78] Edited by: Dr Jamius on 13/12/2010 11:15:17 My main is part of a medium sized alliance in 0.0, however I fly solo regularly. Looking for fights, ganks, whatever I can get. Some days are fruitful, some are less so. Strap on an assault frigate, interceptor or recon ship and fly around hostile space. It's that simple. Even ganking miners is satisfying. You're fifteen jumps into red territory, there's 10 reds in local, but you land in a belt, uncloak the Arazu, sensor damp the battleship tanking for the miner and manage to shred a hulk, grab the loot and run before they can get a gang together to come kill you. Jump in a Jaguar or Blarpy and tackle a solo bs 20km off a gate. He engages thinking he can win. He hasn't fitted an energy neutralizer and he's not packing small t2 drones. Woot, nice kill. Grab a Sabre and camp a route favoured by hostiles and pick off what you can. With luck you won't have to carebear for a while after that Iteron V full of faction loot pops. Solo pvp is only dead if you want it to be. Don't be scared of taking chances and losing digital money and solo pvp is very much alive.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:28:00 - [79] The EVE universe is simply too crowded nowdays. It was ~3000 concurrent players in late 2003 with >5000 solar systems, now it's 50000 concurrent players with >7500 systems. Just adding 10-20k new systems would solve a lot of problems and the cost of server hardware can't be a big problem. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:32:00 - [80] Quote: Tbh personally I feel killboards, more than CCP, ruined solo PvP. It's still out there, but the risk adverse mentality is a major issue that I doubt will get out of peoples head now. They just like their kb stats too much. QFT. Those who want to learn the game and then apply to a PvP corp in 0.0 will have their KB checked and ofc it'll stink. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:36:00 - [81] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Infinity Ziona People who say you can solo fine are lying. Its extremely difficult. Everything in this game is extremely difficult. That's why we play it. Why do you? Speak for yourself please.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.13 11:45:00 - [82] I get the feeling the state of affairs depends largely on who you are and where you are. It's not so much about "solo PVP" and "fair fights" so much as Eve just not being the kind of game which supports player skill. Oh come on, don't give me that crap about how deep managing your transversal velocity is. You have an optimal range and an optimal transversal. Maybe you manage capacitor. The server runs at 1hz, there isn't a lot of sophisticated crap going on in a 1 on 1 fight. There's no real way to compensate for being outclassed shipwise. There's a small modifier, but as a general rule, if their ships can beat up your ships, you're probably going to lose, regardless of how much experience you've got. Do I wish it were different? Sure. Do I expect it to change? Not really. \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:21:00 - [83] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 13/12/2010 12:22:18 Originally by: Sirez Cartwright Originally by: Infinity Ziona I'm one of the few people who still play EvE on hardmode. I find it amusing you think everything is so difficult when things have been made so easy. You sound like a condescending hipster. Did you like EVE before it was cool? No I'm not being condescending. But as a bitter vet I chose not to use a lot of the things people use and employ tactics people employ. I still fight with all my implants, solo like I did in 2003, don't use jump clones, don't use combat alts, gang booster ships, don't cross train to the flavor of the month. I'm pretty sure the majority of people do use those things to avoid loss of implants, improve kill / death ratios and so forth. I don't because I liked EvE the way it was before they carebearified it and want to still play it that way. Having said that I don't consider myself a great PvP'r, I tend to forget things like overheating and do stupid things like accidentally cloak instead of firing my guns and stuff. I would never place in a tourney. So yeah not condescending, just telling you the way I see things. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Tornan Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:30:00 - [84] Solo is anything but dead, its just tough. And I always hope that games out there allow 100 people to beat up one person its the way of life. or do you think certain people should have certain ships that can tank 200-300 ships and be able to take them all
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Tornan Solo is anything but dead, its just tough. And I always hope that games out there allow 100 people to beat up one person its the way of life. or do you think certain people should have certain ships that can tank 200-300 ships and be able to take them all No one is asking to tank 200-300 people and kill them all. All I would like is for CCP to take a look at solo / small gang pvp and make it more attractive for people to become involved in it. I believe small gang and solo pvp is more enjoyable and would be more appreciated if it was viable to engage in, over sitting in a blob and killing single ships or sitting in a blob and following an FC's primary calls. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:54:00 - [86] solo is still possible but its 100 times harder than just join a blob and shoot what your FC say you, luckily solo its also 100 time more fun. the best boost for solo fight would be the removal of KB stats
Ganagati Caldari Zebra Corp	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:28:00 - [87] Originally by: Shiho Weitong Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj It's rediculously hard, you cannot spend your time jumping through lowsec systems without getting double webbed by a loki at 40km and missiles spammed on you by his buddy in a legion at a gate any more. So after the double web, why don't you just warp away? I mean.. Align time after double web on anything that it's reasonable to solo with in lowsec would be less than 2 seconds... Has anyone ever had a pvp match where you weren't immediately scrammed/disrupted? >_>
Geanos Phoenix Tribe	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:34:00 - [88] Originally by: 1600 RT solo is still possible but its 100 times harder than just join a blob and shoot what your FC say you, luckily solo its also 100 time more fun. the best boost for solo fight would be the removal of KB stats Yeah, I noticed that way too many people playing this game are more concerned/afraid about what their corp/alliance mates or friends are gonna said about when they gonna lose a fight than actually losing that fight and ISK associated with it. I guess that removing the victim's name/corp/alliance from the killmail would suffice, making the KB stats of a pilot look more like a CV, where you put in your strong points only (let's be honest, nobody puts his failures in there)
okcerg WEPRA CORP	Posted - 2010.12.13 15:45:00 - [89] Originally by: Greymoon Avatar In EvE you WIN by undocking and getting aggro. You lose by spinning in dock, wishing you could play... This
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