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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:56:00 -
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For game balance gankers should have god mode activated. Economy would be far better. They can already tank Concord. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2307
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:01:00 -
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Hiyora Akachi wrote:Derogatory term for anyone who plays the game for something other than PvP.
Only if PvP is defined as anything related to players in conflict, including noncombat. I doubt people would refer to logistics workers within nullsec alliances as carebears.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:03:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?
Just waiting for Johnny Morris to join in this animal discussuion.
One needs to have live in the UK and be a bit older to get this You want fries with that? |

Alara IonStorm
2943
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:05:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?
Just waiting for Johnny Morris to join in this animal discussuion. One needs to have live in the UK and be a bit older to get this  The all seeing eye of Wikipedia does not tolerate inside pop culture references.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
100
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:11:00 -
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A carebear is a player who is risk averse.
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec, especially those who stay in npc corps to avoid war decs.
There are a whole lot of other carebears in eve though, from null sec log off when a hostile enters types to pvpers using multi-neutral logis. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1210
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:12:00 -
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My def of carebear, in terms of EVE:
Someone who not only is risk averse, but takes their aversion so far as to demand that CCP make this game safer for them, usually at the expense of the rest of the game. The kind of player who ruins multiplayer games, and destroys economies. One level above bots (since bots aren't people, they have to be lower in my view).
Also, as to the Cat not engaging when there is a Tornado. A solo Cat takes a while to kill a Hulk. The tornado could easily kill the Cat before they would take down the Hulk. Therefore, engaging would be sheer stupidity. Its not that they care about losing the dessie. They want to kill the Hulk.
If I want to have a party, but can't while my parents are home, I'm not going to even try to have one while my parents are home. |

Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
150
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:18:00 -
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This thread is full of anger.
Who wants a hug? I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:18:00 -
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Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec
Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear. |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:35:00 -
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Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.
Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.
Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.
In other words it is no different then calling someone of many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat. Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted. Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.
So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ? EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:45:00 -
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A carebear is someone whose main / only activities aim at making as much ISK as possible whilste avoiding any risk. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
93
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:07:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.
To me the fact you willing enter lowsec and understand/accept the risks disqualifies you from carebear status. Mitigating risks is not the same as being adverse to them. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4302
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:16:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.
The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.
The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
512
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear. The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace. The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.
i think of myself as a carebear (nullbear) but i do follow the Bushido code!
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4302
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:21:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.
Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.
Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.
In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat. Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted. Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.
So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?
"Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic." "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
512
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:Simetraz wrote:Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.
Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.
Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.
In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat. Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted. Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.
So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ? "Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic."
i think simetraz is emo cuss he is a nerf herder... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:26:00 -
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Grumpy Bear |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:29:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear. The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace. The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.
So I'm carebear since I can't prove I've been in lowsec or mined in w-space... |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
512
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:38:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear. The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace. The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent. So I'm carebear since I can't prove I've been in lowsec or mined in w-space...
no your a carebear because you post with forum alts...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
154
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb
That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.
You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,
I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
93
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:53:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Andski wrote:[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view. You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship, I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship. S
That just seems like a smart decision to me, not really risk aversion.
Ask yourself, do you then go on the forums and whine to try and get the assault ship and the others in local nerfed? If so, then you are adverse to the risk. You want to prevent that scenario for being possible, instead of having to recognize the scenario and take the appropriate actions to protect your assets.
That is the difference IMHO, carebears want artificial measures in place to prevent scenarios in game that could cause them loss; using your own judgement and the tools provided to recognize and deal with a negative scenario is not "carebear". "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4303
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:58:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Andski wrote:[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view. You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship, I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship. S
That isn't risk aversion. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.08.12 17:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Spy 21 wrote:Andski wrote:[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view. You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship, I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship. S That isn't risk aversion.
By ganker definition it is. If mission runner doesn't shoot ninja salvager mission runner is ultimate carebear.
When the fact is mission runner knows he/she will lose expensive ship if he/she engages. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9011
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Posted - 2012.08.12 17:51:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:By ganker definition it is. No it isn't, other than as a strawman.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
28
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:27:00 -
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Caring is sharing... heh but in EVE a care bear is typically someone that limits themselves due to phobias. Some go to extremes and insist everyone else should be limited like themselves as they choose to be, spewing out all sorts of crazy ideas and stereotypes of or on others. While some carebears use the safety umbrella to stay safe as they wreck havoc on other players (as often found in most mmo's especially themparks). EVE mostly has the first type, just phobias, which often is curable with experience. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:By ganker definition it is. No it isn't, other than as a strawman.
Post #11
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1546396&page=1#11 |

Radius Prime
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:41:00 -
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Someone who just sits and trains at a station. Never leaves it because he doesn't want to lose his implants and max learn speed. Someone who can't fly anything bigger then a frigate after 3 years because he isn't mapped for perception and willpower... Someone who reads the forum to learn instead of learning through experience.... **** sounds like me :''''''''''''((((((((((((((. My name is Radius Prime and I am a carebear :(). |

Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:52:00 -
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If you read post number 5, your "ganker" defines himself as a mission runner. |

Conrad Lionhart
FACTION Inc. Broken Toys
6
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:09:00 -
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In this game, I would say someone who doesn't PvP and/or always stays in high sec. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
339
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Umm any other bigoted statements, you missed a few groups in your hate speech. Train sarcasm and/or cynicism detection to level 1, ASAP. Have you ever read these forums? I have seen similar non sarcastic comments like this before and even since the great ISD attack of O12.
It's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. (If you have the skill trained, 'natch )
There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
10
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:30:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:I'm not asking for any official definition, I'm asking what YOU think a carebear is.
When you think of carebears, you think of.... Easy. A bear that cares.
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