I'm not asking for any official definition, I'm asking what YOU think a carebear is.

When you think of carebears, you think of....

Civilization builders, non-warrior class.

Umm any other bigoted statements, you missed a few groups in your hate speech.

Carebears are evil.

They also are overweight losers who smell bad, live in their mom's basement, never have sex with real women and they shout with girly voices when they are ganked. Also they expect the Government to pay for their health care, never shot their own dog because they hate guns, and also hate trucks and beer and crack and other things that GO. They also are treehugging hippies who vote democrat and bike around when they're not in their mom's basement, like to hang around the internet with people of different races and never went to church in their sorry lives.

And they're evil.

Please, point them out, so they can be properly included in the detailed list of why carebears are evil.

Then once the list is done, we can top it by saying that their refuse to play the game the way they should be playing it, which is what makes them to go beyond being simply evil and ti's why they should be removed from EVE altogether.


(By the way, in case that some meaning is lost in translation, I want to make clear that I am a carebear and all the above is sarcasm about EVE bigots, which consistently happen to not be carebears according to themselves)

Even if some one is a complete carebear, who cares?

Umm any other bigoted statements, you missed a few groups in your hate speech.

Train sarcasm and/or cynicism detection to level 1, ASAP.

Opposite of Apathybear?

TBH, don't really care myself...

The opposits to carebear is INTENSIVE carebear, hon.

So, what is a carebear? I dunno, really... it seams that in EVE, the term "carebear" is an equivalent of what the term "casual" was in WoW one day... in he end, everybody got labeled that sooner or later when she/he wasn't playing the game "as it was meant to be played".

The opposits to carebear is INTENSIVE carebear, hon.

So, what is a carebear? I dunno, really... it seams that in EVE, the term "carebear" is an equivalent of what the term "casual" was in WoW one day... in he end, everybody got labeled that sooner or later when she/he wasn't playing the game "as it was meant to be played".

People who try to avoid risk at any cost.

People who try to avoid risk at any cost.

Civilization builders live in nullsec, where risk is omnipresent and building an empire is actually possible.

People who try to avoid risk at any cost.

You mean like suicide pilots in high-sec for instance.

When I played wow (I know I am ashamed), carebear servers were the non-pvp servers. Basically if non-consensual pvp was not allowed on a server, it was carebear. So I've always taken that with me, carebears are the players that do not like non-consensual pvp. Players that accept it as part of the game, even if they do not participate in direct pvp combat do not qualify as a carebear by that definition.

In every MMO there are bigots who feel an urge to tell others how to play (and usually happens to be in a way that provides them fun by ruining everyone else's), and also are players who dare to play as they see fit.

It's just some weird human drive to need to feel superior to others,

Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.

Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.

People who are afraid of loss in EVE. Generally they are highly risk-averse as a result, and stick to safe places (the inside of stations, highsec, etc).

What does that say about a ganker who refuses to gank my exhumer or Orca if there's "Ignore my ship, just killing belt rats here" Tornado nearby?

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb

Why it's dumb to shoot defenseless ships?

if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless"

You mean like suicide pilots in high-sec for instance.

Learn to tank your ship then.

One mallows with age.

hint: if miners tend to have help nearby, you alpha the miners

getting shot at by their friends at that point makes no difference

EVE relies in seriously preventing players to have too much fun too easy, otherwise it all would collapse as a house of cards...

It's not universal, but it's certainly common, and all too often on display thanks to the anonymity of the internet.

Or could it be the fact that you don't have skills to tank Tornado for 20s in destroyer?

I find that I have mellowed

Most men are like that at a certain age, and most of them grow old and mature enough to overcome that urge, usually after meeting face to face with RL.

But then, EVE players are people who instead of spend hours doing RL stuff, spend hours doing EVE stuff, so they're not like your average population set, but more like hobbyists.

And every hobbyist feels an urge to show off and feel rewarded for his subjectively valued activity.

okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons

Only safe place is on station. Just don't undock if you don't want to lose your ships.

Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?

Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?

I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships

Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?

So, why it's so dumb to start ganking if there's Tornado nearby?

Oh, my, god!

Designer purse parties?

I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~

It's risk aversion, is it?

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb

It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

Mind if i quote that sometime?

Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".

Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight and a lifeguard saying "dude it's fine, there's 30 people in the water, look." Better?

Are you serious? You could use a shark on the beach, a gorilla in the jungle, a lion in the savannah. Your analogy and mine are still the same.

Except your analogy assumes that the "wild" does run rampant with the rabid animals with a taste for tears, based on hearsay. vOv

So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?

I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv

Does it make a difference?

No, because neither area runs "rampant" with them. There's a difference between "they're around" and "they run rampant."

Brutal.

Carebears are evil.

They also are overweight losers who smell bad, live in their mom's basement, never have sex with real women and they shout with girly voices when they are ganked. Also they expect the Government to pay for their health care, never shot their own dog because they hate guns, and also hate trucks and beer and crack and other things that GO. They also are treehugging hippies who vote democrat and bike around when they're not in their mom's basement, like to hang around the internet with people of different races and never went to church in their sorry lives.

And they're evil.

Derogatory term for anyone who plays the game for something other than PvP.

When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?

Just waiting for Johnny Morris to join in this animal discussuion.

One needs to have live in the UK and be a bit older to get this

In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec

Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.

Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.

The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.

Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.

Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.

Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.

In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat.
Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted.
Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.

So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?

"Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic."

The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.

So I'm carebear since I can't prove I've been in lowsec or mined in w-space...

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there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb

That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

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That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

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That isn't risk aversion.

By ganker definition it is.

No it isn't, other than as a strawman.

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http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1546396&page=1#11

Have you ever read these forums?

I have seen similar non sarcastic comments like this before and even since the great ISD attack of O12.

Easy. A bear that cares.

Carebear is a mentally grown-up person with reasonably big p***s who doesnt feel the urge to compensate for their real life failures by trying to become wannabe uberleet internet gangster and doesnt find runing other players gameplay neither fun nor manly, but rather boring, immature activity.

Carebear is typically a player who logs in to enjoy the EVE gameplay atmosphere and to cooperate with others to create stuff and to relax rather than destroying stuff and trembling with adrenaline while hunting a poorly fit industrial ship 20v1 along with other dejected pvp nerds.

That said, us carebears love and need PvP scrubs because they keep the economy going and let us earn space riches by creating constand demand for ships and modules and by keeping high-sec ore prices high.

I'm not asking for any official definition, I'm asking what YOU think a carebear is.

When you think of carebears, you think of....

Carebear is a mentally grown-up person with reasonably big p***s who doesnt feel the urge to compensate for their real life failures by trying to become wannabe uberleet internet gangster and doesnt find runing other players gameplay neither fun nor manly, but rather boring, immature activity.

Carebear is typically a player who logs in to enjoy the EVE gameplay atmosphere and to cooperate with others to create stuff and to relax rather than destroying stuff and trembling with adrenaline while hunting a poorly fit industrial ship 20v1 along with other dejected pvp nerds.

That said, us carebears love and need PvP scrubs because they keep the economy going and let us earn space riches by creating constand demand for ships and modules and by keeping high-sec ore prices high.

no your a carebear because you post with forum alts...

[...] rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives [...]

My God, he's serious, isn't he.

EVE is a video-game, bru. That's all it is.

Say it with me:

VIDEO

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GAME.

IOW, as someone once said: "Nothing of any value was lost..." (Unknown)

Next!

Someone poorly educated on game mechanics who's first response to a problem involving other players is to get CCP to nerf said players tactics. They are the kind of people who try to petition people because they got scammed.

Big difference between Carebear and PvE Player.

Or, you know, it could have tens of millions of active subscribers like WoW does. But then the hardcore nerds would become insignificant nolifers again and that would hurt their sad child souls badly :D

In this game, I would say someone who doesn't PvP and/or always stays in high sec.

This is just my thought...

Personally, I consider myself a carebear because I just hate fighting other players. It's frustrating because it seems like other players always have more friends, more well equipped ships, more ships and more skill than you.

However, I respect the game's design of being in consistent danger. I won't ***** and whine when I get caught in a gatecamp because that's the risk I ran going into low/null in the first place. And I won't whine about suicide gankers in high sec because that's how the game was meant to be played.

Although I consider myself a carebear, would you consider that carebearish?

Um, no:

From what I've seen at least, the mainstream WoW community is mostly ****.

Quality >>>>> quantity.

(Or, to use my favourite analogy, an Aston Martin Vantage V-12 cannot be a Camaro, and any attempts to do so will typically end badly. I leave it to you to figure out which is which.)

This is just my thought...

Personally, I consider myself a carebear because I just hate fighting other players. It's frustrating because it seems like other players always have more friends, more well equipped ships, more ships and more skill than you.

However, I respect the game's design of being in consistent danger. I won't ***** and whine when I get caught in a gatecamp because that's the risk I ran going into low/null in the first place. And I won't whine about suicide gankers in high sec because that's how the game was meant to be played.

Although I consider myself a carebear, would you consider that carebearish?

Carebear = a term gankers use to shame people not stupid enough to get ganked.

a pirate attacked and I just bugged out.

People that claim EVE is a "COLD HARSH PLACE" and then whine that someone is afk but cloaked in the system they are trying to rat afk in.

So true. I once got accused of buying my account because I was hanging around in 0.4 when a pirate attacked and I just bugged out.

The guy was like 'How much did you pay for your account?'

'What makes you think i bought my account?'

'Cus your bad'.

'I'm alive, and I didn't lose my ship.'...

No reply.

This made me laugh at loud.

This is the absolute silliest complaint. I guess being an EVE vet just naturally makes you paranoid, but seriously? Nut up and deal with the idea that the other guy in the system may or may not be spying on you.

I was probed out by a gang of pirates looking to gank my Raven while ratting in null. I warped between safes while they attempted to track me down. One of them called me "***** cream" and another a carebear because I outsmarted their gank squad and managed to stay alive. Gotta love these kids .

Yeah, it's like living in a WH:


Hmm....someone was on D-Scan for 5 sec's 2 hours ago...have they actually left? (we once had that happen, only a couple of us on, one guy says " Yeah, I'm pretty sure they left" argues with the other guy watching the exit for a bit, flies his orca out, 21 jumps to pick up stuff, 21 jumps back (orca/frieghter pilots will know this take for ever and a half) on entering...is jumped by the people that we were worried about might still be in here 2 hours before. When he asks for ransom, he gets "F**** NO! you made me follow you 21 jumps out and back, your going to DIE!!)

"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems."

Good job !

How long did they try to get you before giving up?

Question on the side, actual fact or quote from something?

Firefly quote...River says it at one point...one of my favorite lines.

Bah, don't remember that one, excuse to go back and rewatch it all over again, I guess

we played cat and mouse for about 5 minutes before giving up. lucky for me they had very short attention spans. but i'll never forget the name-calling that ensued after that encounter. they seemed to have taken my escape very personal.

I'm not asking for any official definition, I'm asking what YOU think a carebear is.

When you think of carebears, you think of....

...Someone who blows up a 300 million isk ship with a 10 to 20 million isk ship then complains when this activity is addressed in a rebalance.

no your a carebear because you post with forum alts...

Wow. I could get 3 or 4 ganks out of 20 mil.

That would need rebalanced.

Well, don't jump to conclusions. I heard gankers killed his father and raped his mother...

Carebears are people who whine about changes, even if they would be better for them or better for the game. Also people who complain about there success and those of others. For example complaining about the success of a venture that results in a glut occurring on the markets and prices falling.

Carebears are not a type of people they are a state of mind.

I see a carebear as anyone who takes to the forums to complain, whine and moan about how others play the game. They seem to have an idea that they are the authority on the correct method to do things and rail to have the playstyles of those who do not do as they do nerfed into the basement. They are short sighted, never looking past either their egos or the ramifications of the changes that do get made.

In other words, they CARE too much about how others play, and cannot BEAR the idea of anyone enjoying the game in any manner that they do not agree with.

In other words, they CARE too much about how others play, and cannot BEAR the idea of anyone enjoying the game in any manner that they do not agree with.

People who refuse to accept any intrusion in their personal gameplay bubble by other players.

I would personally say that a carebear is someone that does not understand that EVE is a multiplayer game based around PvP and tries to play it as though it is a singleplayer game based around PvE. I'd say it's entirely possible to be a high-sec dwelling industrialist without being a carebear. It's more based on attitude than your in-game activities. The difference is the non-carebear industrialist won't whine when they get blown up by suicide gankers or wardec'd by some bored PvPers because they understand that's just part of the game.

Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.

Wait, you seem to confuse PvP with interacting with other players.

How in the world does, say, buying something off the market act against another player? It's a fair trade. They want your money more than they want their module or ship or whatever, and your money is worthless without the ability to spend it.

Unintentionally aiding someone else act against other players is not a player engaging in PvP.

When I purchase a module for the lowest price, I am denying another person that module at that price...

It's not buyers vs sellers, but buyers vs buyers and sellers vs sellers...

How is this not obvious?

Edit - although there is buyers vs sellers when ever you don't purchase a product for the current market price, or when sellers corner a market to get a premium...just basic market pvp is bvb or svs.

In this vein, I would really, really love to see CCP allow us to see who we're purchasing from or selling to before we make the transaction.

EDIT: Better still, on top of this make it so that we can set prices based on standings or even disallow people with bad standings from doing business with us.

Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.