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TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:08:00 -
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So every single day Im running Incursions before DT when TQ is live penalties are back at 100%
This is not correct so I always petition.
This is always answered quickly and resolved.
Today was different, The penalty bar went down to 0% from 100% but as we checked our ships EHP and resists we noticed a very marked difference. My Basilisk had lost 16% EHP.
Not only that but the damage was also very....odd, shields almost blown out with 1 single blow but to make things even more confusing was it was repped back up in under 1 second. Everything was instant instead of being gradual.
It was so super weird all of the fleet were commenting and laughing at the apparent lack of truth from CCP.
The penalty bar was indeed 0% but it was certain that penalties existed.
Why can't CCP make it so that after a DT the system penalties were the same as before Downtime? Can the Sansha operate on a offline server? I don't think so!
I believe there to be some very serious issues with incursion which need to be addressed. People are flying some very expensive ships and clones and its only fair CCP make these Incursions correct.
Did anyone also notice these things today?
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Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:42:00 -
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this is all part of incursion risk, add more tank for your shiny mods |

TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
5
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:38:00 -
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Not the point, read properly please.
Incursion status bar tells us 0% penalties when in actual fact penalties are indeed active. |

mkint
56
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:44:00 -
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bug.eveonline.com
But yeah, incursions is probably another abandoned feature already, knowing how quickly CCP abandons things. Which is sad because it's the only PVE in the game worth doing. |

Foodpimp
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
12
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:47:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Not the point, read properly please.
Incursion status bar tells us 0% penalties when in actual fact penalties are indeed active.
Guess it's time to quit then huh? |

TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
6
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:18:00 -
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mkint wrote:bug.eveonline.com
But yeah, incursions is probably another abandoned feature already, knowing how quickly CCP abandons things. Which is sad because it's the only PVE in the game worth doing.
Totally agreeing with you here. It is a shame it most probably is actually in a paper tray marked "misc" these days. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:24:00 -
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Welcome to Eve Online. Incursions need to wait in line to be fixed. Don't worry it will be SoonGäó*,
*Soon can range anywhere from 18 months to 5 years. |

non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck Flying Burning Ships Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:39:00 -
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Yeah PI didn't have any fixing done to it. It was just left as is.
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:43:00 -
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This will be a "bittereply".
I spent 300-400mils on ships and fittings joined multiple incursion channels waited and posted patiently for 2 weeks solid, without an invite. Incursions are some closed club for the supercarebear, serves you right IMO, when only 1% (400 ppl wait for an invite while 10 ppl farm the whole thing repeatedly) of the EVE players actually interact with it ofc CCP will abandon it. A nerf will come soon so that 1% will dissapear as well.
I find incursions stupidly disturbing in my gameplay, chasing a WT in empire and bam you enter some stupid carebear zone with wierd effects, just so some carebear corp can farm their heart out.
OFC Im emotional in this post waiting for 2 weeks just so you can try out the new PvE content... Although none of you can deny the truth that its being farmed repeatedly now by the same ppl over and over.
OH btw, yea CCP should fix bugs ofc..
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:44:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Yeah PI didn't have any fixing done to it. It was just left as is.
You mean as in revisit to deliver more than 10% of the original design plan? I really hope you aren't defending PI, because CCP has openly admitted that PI is a failure in more than just the reprocessing exploit. So did they finish the feature? Nope. Instead of finishing it, they are going to tack on an unrelated "feature" the purpose of which is to give console noobs a way to grief Real EVE players without fear of retaliation. The revisit was to remove some of the suck, but no plans have announced to make it actually good. |

mkint
61
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:49:00 -
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Kunming wrote:This will be a "bittereply". I spent 300-400mils on ships and fittings joined multiple incursion channels waited and posted patiently for 2 weeks solid, without an invite. Incursions are some closed club for the supercarebear, serves you right IMO, when only 1% (400 ppl wait for an invite while 10 ppl farm the whole thing repeatedly) of the EVE players actually interact with it ofc CCP will abandon it. A nerf will come soon so that 1% will dissapear as well. I find incursions stupidly disturbing in my gameplay, chasing a WT in empire and bam you enter some stupid carebear zone with wierd effects, just so some carebear corp can farm their heart out. OFC Im emotional in this post waiting for 2 weeks just so you can try out the new PvE content...  Although none of you can deny the truth that its being farmed repeatedly now by the same ppl over and over. OH btw, yea CCP should fix bugs ofc..  Yes the bugs need to be fixed. But if you can't get in an incursion fleet, don't blame the bugs. Never have I once been unable to get into a fleet when there has been one recruiting. Blame your crappy loadout and/or your inability to fit a ship that won't just get billions of isk worth of ships killed just because you cba'd to solicit and follow some fitting advice. And I have seen plenty of T1 BSes with T1 weapons along. If you don't like the requirements the FCs have for joining their fleets, make your own fleet. Just let me know beforehand so I can salvage your wrecks. |

non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck Flying Burning Ships Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:06:00 -
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mkint wrote:non judgement wrote:Yeah PI didn't have any fixing done to it. It was just left as is.
You mean as in revisit to deliver more than 10% of the original design plan? I really hope you aren't defending PI, because CCP has openly admitted that PI is a failure in more than just the reprocessing exploit. So did they finish the feature? Nope. Instead of finishing it, they are going to tack on an unrelated "feature" the purpose of which is to give console noobs a way to grief Real EVE players without fear of retaliation. The revisit was to remove some of the suck, but no plans have announced to make it actually good.
If you read what I said, it says in a sarcastic tone (incase you missed it) that PI didn't have any fixing done to it and it was left as it was originally released. So What I beleve I was saying is that CCP did do some changes to it. So it is an example of something that received some modification to it after its first release. That kind of sounds to me like I'm defending CCP not PI. I like when people twist what I say to make it sound like a whole lot more.
I don't use PI atm. You might be right about PI, but I don't know. Sounds to me like you're wonderfully negative about PI and you don't even know how Dust is going to affect it. |

Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:15:00 -
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mkint, I dont know why you found the need to troll my post. OFC I have the right fitting and checked out the correct information sites like http://incursions.nexsoft.de/ etc..
You know just as well whats going on there, same old ppl running the same gang over and over, maybe a logi or DPS ship logs off so you might see an invite. Oh and I made my own gang, the other gang just started shooting structures or something, but its been awhile I dont know if they fixed that yet.
The whole INCURSION thing just got me disgusted, and I dont get it why they nerf sanctums but not something like incursions thats being repeatedly farmed with no risk of getting PVPed.
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Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:16:00 -
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TriadSte wrote: Not only that but the damage was also very....odd, shields almost blown out with 1 single blow but to make things even more confusing was it was repped back up in under 1 second. Everything was instant instead of being gradual.
Could it have been lag? |

mkint
63
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:17:00 -
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non judgement wrote:mkint wrote:non judgement wrote:Yeah PI didn't have any fixing done to it. It was just left as is.
You mean as in revisit to deliver more than 10% of the original design plan? I really hope you aren't defending PI, because CCP has openly admitted that PI is a failure in more than just the reprocessing exploit. So did they finish the feature? Nope. Instead of finishing it, they are going to tack on an unrelated "feature" the purpose of which is to give console noobs a way to grief Real EVE players without fear of retaliation. The revisit was to remove some of the suck, but no plans have announced to make it actually good. If you read what I said, it says in a sarcastic tone (incase you missed it) that PI didn't have any fixing done to it and it was left as it was originally released. So What I beleve I was saying is that CCP did do some changes to it. So it is an example of something that received some modification to it after its first release. That kind of sounds to me like I'm defending CCP not PI. I like when people twist what I say to make it sound like a whole lot more. I don't use PI atm. You might be right about PI, but I don't know. Sounds to me like you're wonderfully negative about PI and you don't even know how dust is going to affect it.
Yeah... I couldn't tell from the context if you were being sarcastic or not. And yes I'm extremely vitriolic about PI. It was the title feature for a whole expansion cycle, and continues to have less depth than most Flash games (even after a couple minor "fixes"). And instead of fixing it, they are going full steam with the Dust link (according to devs will use PI mechanics to build sov arenas)... unless the "refocus" has postponed it anyway. We're supposed to be able to interact with Dusters in a meaningful way, but through PI we can't even interact with eachother. It's NOT looking good.
But PI is off topic... topic is how it's unlikely CCP's is gonna do anything to make incursions better for 18 months to 5 years, including fixing outright bugs. |

mkint
64
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:27:00 -
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Kunming wrote:mkint, I dont know why you found the need to troll my post. OFC I have the right fitting and checked out the correct information sites like http://incursions.nexsoft.de/ etc.. You know just as well whats going on there, same old ppl running the same gang over and over, maybe a logi or DPS ship logs off so you might see an invite. Oh and I made my own gang, the other gang just started shooting structures or something, but its been awhile I dont know if they fixed that yet. The whole INCURSION thing just got me disgusted, and I dont get it why they nerf sanctums but not something like incursions thats being repeatedly farmed with no risk of getting PVPed. Because the "I can't get a fleet" whine is annoying. And it's ALWAYS the case that people show up in a drake or other useless boat fitted poorly, and all upset that nobody wants them in a fleet. And pretty much all fleets I've been in are first come first serve, unless the ship/loadout is terribad (mediocre is usually okay, fail is not.) You do see the occasional "elite fleet" that has exclusive requirements, but I've never gone to the effort of joining one, and have competed in sites successfully against them. The other day a freakin' frig fleet out-competed a so-called "elite fleet" with only a single T1 atron loss.
Should the income of incursions be nerfed? Maybe. Or maybe the fact that there's something that's both fun and profitable is keeping a bunch of people subbed right now. I don't have those numbers.
edit: also those "supercarebear" farmers are keeping those effects to 0%. You can chase your WTs and not be affected by it at all. In fact, that's what this thread was about... that after downtime the effects jump around in weird unintended ways. Needs fixing. |

KittyCatCanCan
Spunk Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:36:00 -
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mkint wrote: Because the "I can't get a fleet" whine is annoying. And it's ALWAYS the case that people show up in a drake or other useless boat fitted poorly, and all upset that nobody wants them in a fleet. And pretty much all fleets I've been in are first come first serve, unless the ship/loadout is terribad (mediocre is usually okay, fail is not.) You do see the occasional "elite fleet" that has exclusive requirements, but I've never gone to the effort of joining one.
A lot of the higher up FC's just go with a person > fit, so it's more of a question about how you are as a person (can you play the game and do as you're told - you're pretty much golden)... that's how i see it anyways...
Kunming wrote:I spent 300-400mils on ships and fittings joined multiple incursion channels waited and posted patiently for 2 weeks solid, without an invite.
I can understand your frustration, i do not however, understand how you couldn't have gotten a single invite...
unless you have some god-awfull fit ;)
i joined incursions a week ago, and i've allready earned enough ISK to buy a shiny mach and a basilisk, that is a lot of ISK when you come from LV4s :P
hit me up in game, and we'll figure something out :) |

TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
6
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:17:00 -
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300-400 mils is nothing....
Some ships plus clones are worth 10 bil alone in my fleet..... |

Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
14
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:47:00 -
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I don't see how you can't get an invite to fleets, my corp has a few 'incursion hunters' around who do fine, and recently an incursion dropped down smack in the middle of our little piece of the universe, making for some very nice income ( and a boost to the local economy, aka my wallet, from production ), as I was flying through the systems, I asked if there was a fleet around, and the awnser I got was an invite to a fleet. And I have some of the incursion hunters that descended on our corner asking me if my alliance is forming up a fleet and if they need more people.
I've been 'stuck' in empire waiting on a JC to time out before I could jump back to my little corner of the universe, so I decided to do some incursion hunting, just went to a tradehub, shelled out about 150M, bought all the usual T2 stuff I put on in my ship, flew out to the nearest incursion, took me about 10 minutes, then I was in a fleet, and we were ganking stuff. Not one of those 'leet' 100B isk fleets, but just a normal one, with a bunch of BCs, some BSses, nothing special, but it worked fine. made about 200M that day 'waiting on my JC timeout'.
I suppose the fact that I'm a Guardian pilot makes me a little privileged, as they tend to be in demand a lot, but still, incursion forming up is fine, if you're not getting invites, it's probably not the people there, but you who is doing something wrong. Failfits, emo tantrums, annoying people, those tend to have people throw you out. Knowing your stuff, being willing to listen to people, being reasonable and 'professional' about it tend to get you into fleets. The invite I got a few days ago when just asking if there was a fleet, the FC made it perfectly clear that as I was only flying a silly HAM drake, I was the 'weakest' link in the fleet, and I would be replaced if something better came along. The fact I said he was right about that ( he was ) made him invite me and my silly drake again when they needed another member in their shield fleet. ( turned him down on that, as I was in an AF that was forming up, and I'm far more comfortable in a guardian in incursions than in some DPS ship, as DPS is not somethign I'm good at, but I'm a Damn good Logi pilot, as evidenced by the amount of agro I tend to draw from the rats when I rep people up )
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Lugalzagezi666
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:51:00 -
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Kunming wrote:I spent 300-400mils on ships and fittings ...
Why would fc invite your 300-400m ship into fleet, when he can choose from tens of 1,5bil+ pirate bs, marauders and t3s? You must be prepared to invest more than 400m to get into fleets as combat ship. If you dont want to invest that much isk, fly logis - they can be fitted properly for 200-300 mil and are almost always needed. Or fc your own fleet.
But tbh i think your problem are fits or skills, because ive seen even tech 1 battleships like ravens, megas or maels to get into fleets.
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:02:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:300-400 mils is nothing....
Some ships plus clones are worth 10 bil alone in my fleet.....
I have been playing since 2003 the max my wallet saw was 3bil ISK.. Im mainly a pvper, what comes in, goes out in flames, and I have fun in the process. 300-400mils is a lil fortune for me, considering I can fit 2 fully fitted and rigged abaddons with that and have fun for at least a month. I dont do pve unless I have to.
I cant stand grinding for more than an hour or 2, Incursions, or so I thought, offered some fun way to pve: group efford, difficult targets etc..
OFC you can now say, Incursions are not meant for you, they are meant for the uber rich carebear who are bored of grinding lvl4s. Well I would accept that but then I demand something similar for ppl like me, I dont mind pvp risks, I just dont have 10bil ISK as a pve entry fee!
CCP wanted to do something like WoW-PvE (lets face it WoW-PvE is industry standard atm), its just, I feel excluded from the whole deal.
If you have 1 position and 2 ppl you will get the one with the officer fitting ofc, thats what Im talking about. This whole thing is just a WoW-esque ubergear show, for me at least.
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:10:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Kunming wrote:I spent 300-400mils on ships and fittings ... Why would fc invite your 300-400m ship into fleet, when he can choose from tens of 1,5bil+ pirate bs, marauders and t3s? You must be prepared to invest more than 400m to get into fleets as combat ship. If you dont want to invest that much isk, fly logis - they can be fitted properly for 200-300 mil and are almost always needed. Or fc your own fleet. But tbh i think your problem are fits or skills, because ive seen even tech 1 battleships like ravens, megas or maels to get into fleets.
Thats what Im talking about, no skills are max, fittings are correct, mods are not pimp though (and I know the importance of faction web and all, seriously Im not talking out of my arse here).
Xearal, this is exactly the sort of story that got me excited about Incursions, you get an invite easily make a couple hundred a day, etc.. Then again I havent bothered with it for over a month so things might have changed. Either Im very very very unlucky or there is something Im missing here.
And yes logistics is the only thing I havent tried, and it seems they are always in demand, no denying that.
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TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
6
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:22:00 -
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You also have to understand that the guys who do fly 10 bil ships make that isk in no time because done right, incursions pay alot of isk.
Ive never run that isk on a ship unless its a super and upwards.. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
37
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:36:00 -
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Isn't what's his name screwing over all the Incursion farmers now by killing the mothership every chance he gets? |

Lugalzagezi666
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:51:00 -
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Incursions were intended as high level pve enviroment /and very good rewarding/ so i think their skill/ship requirements are adequate.
If your skills and fits were good, most likely you were just unlucky to not get a fleet. |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:01:00 -
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I don't "do" PVE at all normally. However I did a quick test and I can confirm that scimitar/guardian/sleipnir/claymore all seem to be very acceptable to Incursion fleets.
I would say that unless you setup your own fleet then "pickup times" are pretty variable - ranges from instant invite to 20+ minutes.
I don't see a great problem with it - want an instant invite then fly something useful with good/perfect skills or "FC" it yourself.... |

leviticus ander
FMOFMC
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:11:00 -
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Kunming wrote:mkint, I dont know why you found the need to troll my post. OFC I have the right fitting and checked out the correct information sites like http://incursions.nexsoft.de/ etc.. You know just as well whats going on there, same old ppl running the same gang over and over, maybe a logi or DPS ship logs off so you might see an invite. Oh and I made my own gang, the other gang just started shooting structures or something, but its been awhile I dont know if they fixed that yet. The whole INCURSION thing just got me disgusted, and I dont get it why they nerf sanctums but not something like incursions thats being repeatedly farmed with no risk of getting PVPed.
that's a terrible site for amaar or gallente pilots (with the exception of the hyp or maybe the brutix) they are all shield fits. fit your ship as best you can for buffer (without breaking the bank, you want spare isk in case you get nuked) then fit for DPS. about 100mil EHP is good, then work on getting better DPS. do the fits yourself rather than purely relying on a fitting website. |

Alxea
U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:18:00 -
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Kunming wrote:TriadSte wrote:300-400 mils is nothing....
Some ships plus clones are worth 10 bil alone in my fleet..... I have been playing since 2003 the max my wallet saw was 3bil ISK.. Im mainly a pvper, what comes in, goes out in flames, and I have fun in the process. 300-400mils is a lil fortune for me, considering I can fit 2 fully fitted and rigged abaddons with that and have fun for at least a month. I dont do pve unless I have to. I cant stand grinding for more than an hour or 2, Incursions, or so I thought, offered some fun way to pve: group efford, difficult targets etc.. OFC you can now say, Incursions are not meant for you, they are meant for the uber rich carebear who are bored of grinding lvl4s. Well I would accept that but then I demand something similar for ppl like me, I dont mind pvp risks, I just dont have 10bil ISK as a pve entry fee! CCP wanted to do something like WoW-PvE (lets face it WoW-PvE is industry standard atm), its just, I feel excluded from the whole deal. If you have 1 position and 2 ppl you will get the one with the officer fitting ofc, thats what Im talking about. This whole thing is just a WoW-esque ubergear show, for me at least.
I am guessing you don't play much then. You have never lost much isk, you don't have many kills, 3 bil isk is nothing also (My implants costs more then your wallet). We have a noob friend in our corp who has more isk then you and he has been living a pirate life lately. Many of my friends isk ceeling is between 20 and +100 billion. Maybe you should try trade or w-space sometime. You should be making billions a week due to your age or your doing it wrong. |

Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:25:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Incursions were intended as high level pve enviroment /and very good rewarding/ so i think their skill/ship requirements are adequate. If your skills and fits were good, most likely you were just unlucky to not get a fleet.
Oh the unlucky argument, I'm in the same boat as Kunming, tried once to give a go @ incursions, bought the properly fit baddon to do so, in the end, incursions are only for a handfull of elitist pricks.
Needless to say, dissed it, told them all to f off and blew the baddon on pvp. |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
24
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:40:00 -
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To those fellows who didn't get an invite for hours of x'ing up. It's not because of bad luck it is because you were not wanted. It's easy and simple as that.
Your ship is not needed? Well guess what you won't get a fleet.
You don't even need 1b isk to get into an "elitist fleet". A tripple/quadro webbed loki will be loved in a vanguard fleet, a sleipnir loved as well, scimitar, basilisk etc. etc.
Don't blame it on other people when the issue is you. Now if you could take a moment to tell us what ship you were x'ing up with and that fit we could perhaps tell you what you did wrong etc. Instead of just throwing non-constructive statements out there. You can also hit me up on mail, would love to answer you. This is coming from someone who has done incursions for 8 months so questions, history, tactics etc. I'll be able to help you out with or get you in contact with someone who does know.
fly fun o7 |
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