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Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 05:53:00 - [1] I actually read some forums today, and seemingly, everyone is whining about nerfing other races/buffing theirs. Lets just rip through this real quickly. (BS down pvp oriented only, b/c tbh, if youre bearing, and youre whining...... yea no) People Flying caldari - You dont have a leg to stand on - Youre drake is overtanked, you can select to deal any ONE damage type, Snipe fairly easily (yes it doesnt hit immediately I know, poor baby) and have you ever seen the tank of a cap boosted merlin? my rifters Auto Pilot tries to warp me out whenever i get within 100km of one. Eve diffuculty? Caldari = eve on very easy, im not even elaborating further. Bonuses - wicked tank, AFK pvp, Low sp needed, best t3 in the game Damps - you guys are all whiners and hang out on the forums a lot. also, none? Amarrian = OMG MAH LAZORS TAKE TOO MUCH CAP and i cant do kin/explosive damage. They also do facemelting DPS, and can go from close range to over 30K with a rightclick. Also, you can armor tank rediculously well, and who needs ECCM slots anyway? Also, being that minnies/caldari/gallente shield tank ( minnies can do both, gallente dont have the grid to armor tank so if they try, youre killing them anyway) youre probably better off dealing em/therm damage anyway. Yes caldari/minnie can switch ammo ( and 10 seconds later and DPS lost) when some jerk shield tanks his harbinger for OMG dps, but by that time, were already destroyed. Eve difficulty? Amarr - easy mode. Pros - Epic tanks, relatively low SP needed (lasors, armor tank, maybe a little drones) abiltiy to go from short range to med range quickly, awesome dps cons - Only deal em/therm damage. Slow ships. no utility slots. Gallente - ok ok youre blasters suck, so do youre rails, but dammit CCP knows this. thats why you put ACs on a myrm. Youre grid blows, cpu aint much better, you cant fit a 1600mm plate on youre cruisers, and fitting suffers. Wanna know what you do have though? drones. Also the best BS's in the game.While you only have to lock one target and laugh as our light drones try to kill you, youre ogres/hams/hob combinations rip apart our tanks while we try to kill them then you. Active tank myrm w/ huge amounts of utility slots + acs? Best BC in the game, bar none. Youre brutix is also awesome, and you know it. A cruiser with ogres? i hate you. Ishkur, ranis? Jesus seriously stop complaining. DOMI MEGA HYPE, only people in the game with 3 useful BS. You guys also suffer from only being able to deal 2 damage types, though TBH, you can do thermal, and thats what minnies (should be )deal(ing) 99% of the time, because you never know if youre shooting an armor tank, or a shield tank. Unless its caldari. Feck it, just use Phased plasma anyway, damned anti-em rigs. Eve Difficulty - Moderate Pros - awesome dps once in range, drones = win, awesome BCs, BS, and t2 frigs. Cons - guns, sluggish, grid/cpu issues. Need moderate amount of SP (shield, armor, drones, gallente guns, minnie guns) Minmatar - Most diverse race, never know whats going to be on one. suffer from marginal DPS, range, and tanking ability. arguably the most versital ships BC down. Some of the best t2 ships, jag, vaga, rapier, broadsword, slepnir. Quite speedy, cant fit artillery worth a damn on anything but a maelstrom, The battleships suck until you have a lot of SP. I would say tbh, the best race to fly after you hit 50mil SP. Worse race to fly sub that. Eve difficulty - Hard mode Pros - speed, versatility, ships, enemy never knowing what theyre attacking Cons - Very SP oriented ( shield, armor, active tank/passive tank, drones, missiles, torps, guns) tanks are marginal at best when compared to same ship classes. Obviously i kept this short, but every race has their buffs/nerfs. But seriously, caldari and amarrians have it easy. gallente/minnies less so. Granted once you get a good amount of SP minmatars can be quite a nice race to be (on paper at least) Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Pinky Starstrider	Posted - 2010.12.15 05:59:00 - [2] I fly Caldari and it is because I can AFK PVE I am on the forums. Jealous?
King Gore The Church of Sentcha	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:03:00 - [3] Edited by: King Gore on 15/12/2010 06:04:15 Originally by: Aznwithbeard ...rediculously... Ridiculously. EDIT: He won EvE. - #DEVOUR# Scream for me. I'll die for you #DEVOUR# Scream for me. I'll die for you #DEVOUR#
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:15:00 - [4] Nah man its cool, i was just playing a few rounds of COD myself. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:41:00 - [5] This man has the right of it. Except, The part where he brings up how Minmatar are "skill intensive". Bologna. Sure they have ships that use missiles or turrets and either armor or shield tank but that absolutely doesn't mean you have to do all of those at the same time, unless you're dumbtarded. Gallente have good T2 frigs BC and BS. AND they have THE BEST cruisers - Thorax, Vexor. Two of the best ships in the game for the cost IMO. Train blasters and armor tanking skills and you are set for Gal, so no they are not skill intensive either. I think so he is right about everything else though.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:45:00 - [6] nah, both gallente and minnie are skill intensive in the fact that unless you just want to fly/specialize in one ship, you have to train it all. Wanna fly a rupture? armor skills/guns/drones. How bout a cyclone? missile, active tank, shield , guns, drones. Typhoon? ok now youre talking ogres, torpedos, etc etc. So yes, if youre specializing in one or 2 minni ships, sure u can get by with lower sp, but its a pita if you want to be versital (main bonus for being a minnie). Gallente are less so, u can get by with drones/guns/armor tanking all your ships. Minmatar = less so. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.15 06:59:00 - [7] Well let's see guys. Armor tank + projectiles Rifter Wolf Claw Thrasher Rupture Muninn Stabber Stabber Fleet Issue Hurricane Typhoon Typhoon Fleet Issue Tempest Tempest Fleet Issue Quite a but of ships for only ranking your turret and armor tanking skills...
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 07:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Dorian Tormak Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 15/12/2010 07:20:00 Well let's see guys. Armor tank + projectiles EDIT oh and drones right w/e Rifter Wolf Claw Thrasher Rupture Muninn Stabber Stabber Fleet Issue Hurricane Typhoon Typhoon Fleet Issue Tempest Tempest Fleet Issue Quite a but of ships for only ranking your turret and armor tanking skills... lets just go over the ships u just mentioned. Rifter also shield Wolf true Claw true Thrasher also shield Rupture also shield Muninn also shield Stabber lol uhhh, most people shield tank this Stabber Fleet Issue true (ive seen shield fits, but i wouldnt) Hurricane missiles/shield Typhoon at this point ur just trolling, proper phoon uses torps Typhoon Fleet Issue SAA Tempest also shield Tempest Fleet Issue also shield Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Headerman Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.15 07:36:00 - [9] I have been playing eve for 12 months now and i am only now getting large T2 projectiles. Have a mil and a bit of SPs in both mechanic and engineering skills cause of the armour/shield minny ships. My next goal is either more drone skills or alot more missile skills. The more drone/missile skills. Then more navigation skills. Then more engineering skills. Then more mechanic skills. Should be able to fly a phoon properly then \o/
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2010.12.15 11:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Aznwithbeard People Flying caldari - You dont have a leg to stand on - Youre drake is overtanked, you can select to deal any ONE damage type, Snipe fairly easily (yes it doesnt hit immediately I know, poor baby) and have you ever seen the tank of a cap boosted merlin? my rifters Auto Pilot tries to warp me out whenever i get within 100km of one. Eve diffuculty? Caldari = eve on very easy, im not even elaborating further. Bonuses - wicked tank, AFK pvp, Low sp needed, best t3 in the game. Haha, lolz. Caldari, with exception of Drake and Tengu and maybe Falcs, is by far the worst race to be used in PVP.
Klyst Lysander	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:27:00 - [11] Originally by: fuxinos Originally by: Aznwithbeard People Flying caldari - You dont have a leg to stand on - Youre drake is overtanked, you can select to deal any ONE damage type, Snipe fairly easily (yes it doesnt hit immediately I know, poor baby) and have you ever seen the tank of a cap boosted merlin? my rifters Auto Pilot tries to warp me out whenever i get within 100km of one. Eve diffuculty? Caldari = eve on very easy, im not even elaborating further. Bonuses - wicked tank, AFK pvp, Low sp needed, best t3 in the game. Haha, lolz. Caldari, with exception of Drake and Tengu and maybe Falcs, is by far the worst race to be used in PVP. I lol'ed too
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:41:00 - [12] Your thread makes my brain hurt and my eyes bleed. Please stop posting.
DarkAegix	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Aznwithbeard Minmatar - [...] Eve difficulty - Hard mode WUT? Minmatar sets the game to stupid-ridiculous-ultra-easy. Large projectile weapons use like 1tf of CPU and 10MW of powergrid, while Minmatar ships typically have >9000tf of CPU and unlimited powergrid. Yes, unlimited. I checked. 1400mm artillery tracks faster than Light Electron Blasters, and every Minmatar ship cruiser and up can carry a full flight of fighter bombers. Minmatar supercaps travel at 1800m/s, and Dramiels frequently orbit targets at 5 metres at 9.5AU/s. Projectile weapons don't use cap, so even if you have 80 heavy neuts and 250 heavy neut drones on a Rifter it won't stop firing at you. And then the single Rifter destroys your fleet of Aeons. It can outrun light scout drones with its MWD off. Minmatar has been FOTM for several years, and every single month CCP release a patch to buff Minmatar even more, and nerf Gallente into uselessness. There is no hyperbole present in this post.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:55:00 - [14] Originally by: DarkAegix Originally by: Aznwithbeard Minmatar - [...] Eve difficulty - Hard mode WUT? Minmatar sets the game to stupid-ridiculous-ultra-easy. Large projectile weapons use like 1tf of CPU and 10MW of powergrid, while Minmatar ships typically have >9000tf of CPU and unlimited powergrid. Yes, unlimited. I checked. 1400mm artillery tracks faster than Light Electron Blasters, and every Minmatar ship cruiser and up can carry a full flight of fighter bombers. Minmatar supercaps travel at 1800m/s, and Dramiels frequently orbit targets at 5 metres at 9.5AU/s. Projectile weapons don't use cap, so even if you have 80 heavy neuts and 250 heavy neut drones on a Rifter it won't stop firing at you. And then the single Rifter destroys your fleet of Aeons. It can outrun light scout drones with its MWD off. Minmatar has been FOTM for several years, and every single month CCP release a patch to buff Minmatar even more, and nerf Gallente into uselessness. There is no hyperbole present in this post. everything you say is true. I stand corrected. On a side note, caldari really do have some bad cruisers, but the cerb is good, the drake is good, the ferox is good, NH, scorp/falcon/blaster rokh, tengu, and as previously stated, the merlin. Also, Drake pretty much beats the **** out of any BC tank wise, and tbh even now i probably couldnt take one solo. Hell, drake w/ HMs have become the now sniping gang... so.... yea. Caldari can do some pretty good pvp. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2010.12.15 12:59:00 - [15] Please learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and then post again. Quote: Obviously i kept this short Ya.
Brunmunde Hildegaard	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:35:00 - [16] Originally by: DarkAegix Originally by: Aznwithbeard Minmatar - [...] Eve difficulty - Hard mode WUT? Minmatar sets the game to stupid-ridiculous-ultra-easy. Large projectile weapons use like 1tf of CPU and 10MW of powergrid, while Minmatar ships typically have >9000tf of CPU and unlimited powergrid. Yes, unlimited. I checked. 1400mm artillery tracks faster than Light Electron Blasters, and every Minmatar ship cruiser and up can carry a full flight of fighter bombers. Minmatar supercaps travel at 1800m/s, and Dramiels frequently orbit targets at 5 metres at 9.5AU/s. Projectile weapons don't use cap, so even if you have 80 heavy neuts and 250 heavy neut drones on a Rifter it won't stop firing at you. And then the single Rifter destroys your fleet of Aeons. It can outrun light scout drones with its MWD off. Minmatar has been FOTM for several years, and every single month CCP release a patch to buff Minmatar even more, and nerf Gallente into uselessness. There is no hyperbole present in this post. u jelly bra?
DarkAegix	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Aznwithbeard everything you say is true. I stand corrected. Thank you. You have earned +15 Internet respect.
Drago Katsov Caldari 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.12.15 13:58:00 - [18] Originally by: TimMc Your thread makes my brain hurt and my eyes bleed. Please stop posting. Agreed Please stop posting. Your lack of experience is showing.
Naomi Knight Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:04:00 - [19] Ah another dumb matar fanboy whine... matar is hard ... yeah sure...
ARES 003	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:06:00 - [20] the kestrel and moa are good too, so....
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.15 14:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Naomi Knight Ah another dumb matar fanboy whine... matar is hard ... yeah sure... matar is easy. ya sure. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:22:00 - [22] How is any of this whining? just figured id start a nice little thread and see who says what. Would prefer people state opinions instead of trolling, etc tho TBH. I didnt link this to c&p right? Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Proxyyyy Caldari draketrain	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Naomi Knight Ah another dumb matar fanboy whine... matar is hard ... yeah sure... matar is easy. ya sure. Kinda is! Easy to setup and easy to fly.
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:04:00 - [24] Edited by: BiggestT on 15/12/2010 16:07:15 Originally by: Aznwithbeard How is any of this whining? just figured id start a nice little thread and see who says what. Would prefer people state opinions instead of trolling, etc tho TBH. I didnt link this to c&p right? U mad bro? You are definately trolling. Try flying a caldari frigate, railboat or ecm ship and then tell me caldari is easy. Ecm = always primary so it is damn hard to stay alive/evade tackle (try it one day, I dare you to get out of your rifter). Frigates = run out of cap in no time, and inside scram range you are dead (besides blarpy and the few non useless rocket ships), how on earth is minmatar harder? Railboats = enjoy managing cap for guns, tank, dictating range, and trying to be more than a useuless waste of space when using rails (or blasters) The drake is the only straightforward caldari ship (even the raven requires some finesses to pull off). Oh and cruise suck too. and let's not even get started with fitting the damn ships (lol, what grid?).. edit: oh and saying gallente is easier than mini is just a joke EVE Trivia EVE History
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.15 16:06:00 - [25] Originally by: fuxinos Caldari, with exception of Drake and Tengu and maybe Falcs, is by far the worst race to be used in PVP. If you take their entire lineup as a whole, I would agree with you. But I think it's a little more complicated than a simple "Caldari is [great, sucks] for PVP." Drakes are whine of the month right now (though I think CCP is doing the proper thing by buffing the servers/code instead of nerfing the Drake). The Tengu is ridiculous, and Caldari has a monopoly on the most effective and loathed form of electronic warfare in the game. Some of the frigs may have improved since the rocket buff, but the rest of the ships get passed over easily. I strongly suspect a Hybrid buff would put more Caldari ships back into play, however. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
oldmanst4r Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.15 18:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Aznwithbeard Minmatar hard mode....Caldari easy mode.... Idiot. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2010.12.15 19:51:00 - [27] Pure caldari PVPer here (until a few days ago) I'm sorry but caldari really do just suck for anything other than support roles. And I'm fine with that, why I switched to min. They say if you can win solo as caldari you can with with any race. I plan on finding out. Take the frigates. Merlin and kestrel, merlin is somewhat ok in the 10kEHP setup as heavy tackle but losses by speed and damage and range to the rifter. The kestrel..a single overload of the AB and its game over for it against a rifter. Ok, take the cruisers. Whoever said "Well the moa is good" should be shot. Both the caracal and the moa are jokes. Battlecruisers is one of the only 3 places where caldari has the best. Leave it alone. The roles I THINK CCP meant to use these ships for: Merlin - Heavy Tackle Caracal - Long range missile support and Ewar boat (Damps/tracking disrupt) Drake - Soak up damage or general pvp ship (one of the few) Raven - Warp in hammer. BC/Recon/T3 are where caldari stand above the rest. Now what they could do to make caldari OP is just increase the speed of the boats to be faster than min ships. Let the drake/caracal/kestrel kite and all of a sudden we have viable platforms. P.S: Rook is the most gangsta ship in the game.
Hurtado Soneka Caldari Vindicare Temple	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:03:00 - [28] drake being overpowered = total bs
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka drake being overpowered = total bs Not really. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is "overpowered" for that is the shadow of "drake nerf!!" but it is definately the most well-rounded out of the Tier 2 BCs.
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:23:00 - [30] Quote: but it is definately the most well-rounded out of the Tier 2 BCs. Try fitting a medium neut + mwd + HAMS. Well rounded my ass. All the other teir 2 BCs except the harbi can solo a drake. Harbi...yea the harbi sucks hahahaha.
Zyress	Posted - 2010.12.15 20:30:00 - [31] Caldari Condor ftw.... but seriously, most of what the op said was true regarding the strength and weaknesses of the races with the exception of the skill intensive nature of Minnie boats, you really don't have to sheild AND armor tank, there are plenty of boats that do either, in my experience they don't use drones anymore than Caldari or Amarr do, admittedly their hardpoints sort of demand more than one weapon type so I guess gun and missile skills are somewhat necessary. Sub par tanks on ships designed to speed tank is pretty much a non-issue, which brings me to the crux of why everyone wants to fly minnie ships. The only real measuring stick we use on these forums is solo -pvp and in that kind of a conflict speed is king, being able to control range and gtfo if things go bad is more important than any other single aspect provided you have the DPS to break their tank, if you can't break their tank you're just wasting your time and theirs and thats cool too, because when you've had your fun you can still gtfo. So Minmatar, maybe not Eve as a whole on easy mode, but definitely pvp easy mode.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.16 10:59:00 - [32] Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Quote: but it is definately the most well-rounded out of the Tier 2 BCs. Try fitting a medium neut + mwd + HAMS. Well rounded my ass. All the other teir 2 BCs except the harbi can solo a drake. Harbi...yea the harbi sucks hahahaha. yet it's used on fleet ops so much they pushed battleships aside. problem of the drake is not just great damage nor great tank. problem of the drake is the effectiveness achieved at a much lower SP level than practically anything else above or below it's class, combined with a low production price. so yeah, you get a 30-40mil BC that can achieve a cost/effectiveness ratio way above even HAC's or tier3 BS'es. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Rias Bane	Posted - 2010.12.16 11:51:00 - [33] I have to say that I can fly every race but am mainly skilled for Caldari and TBH having recently moved to null sec it's proved to be an embarassment. Simply put the Caldari ships in most cases are PvE ships, designed to slowly munch their way through targets with little or no semblence of intelegence, as a result of which they are very limited. Yes the drake is a good boat especially for lower SP characters but it lacks sufficient DPS in most one on one encounters in PvP. The drakes strength lies in fleets the drake BLOB is demonic given teh alpha/Range/ROF Combination but they are like Rats...On it's own it's just a rat, in sufficient numbers it's an infestation and it more than any other ship IMHO represents it's strengths. The drake is a one trick pony, favoured because it is cheap and effective at simple tasks. I guess my point is that saying Caldari is Easy is utter nonsense, the point made earlier regarding Caldari ECM = Primary is sooooooooooo true, I have been primaried in every single fight I have ever been part of when in an ECM ship and I know that FC's keep an ever-watchfull eye for them showing up in fights. In generel the Caldari Race should be re-named to "Nerf" (Plus for extra geek points we could call one another "Nerf Herders") because they can either tank well and have ** poor DPS or they get moderate DPS and a ** poor tank, they use missiles but none of the ships have TP bonuses WTF...some good logic there. As a previous post points out if you can win at Caldari you can win with anything. Caldari = Eve on Hardest (In PvP) Caldari = Eve on Easiest (in PvE)
Aznwithbeard Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.07 06:43:00 - [34] Idk why you kids hate on the drake so much, Im only minmatar skilled and 1v1 a drake will still kick my hurricanes hull in any day of the week, with a pilot half my age. Commence making fun of my fits / horrible ability at pvp / mother NOW Guns don't kill people. onowait.
StainLessStealRat Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.01.07 07:20:00 - [35] Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Quote: but it is definately the most well-rounded out of the Tier 2 BCs. Try fitting a medium neut + mwd + HAMS. Well rounded my ass. All the other teir 2 BCs except the harbi can solo a drake. Harbi...yea the harbi sucks hahahaha. Never lost a 1v1 in my drake to any thing other than a Myrm.
Kn1v3s 999 Gallente Gung-Ho Guns	Posted - 2011.01.07 08:12:00 - [36] Minmatar: Eve difficulty - Hard mode Are you kidding right?
Malema	Posted - 2011.01.07 10:03:00 - [37] Can fly all the races , but my condolences go out to all the hybrid users out there in EvE . I don't know how you guys manage to fly with them . They are just so incredibly terrible.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.01.07 11:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Aznwithbeard Caldari = eve on very easy, im not even elaborating further. Minmatar - Eve difficulty - Hard mode Obvious troll is obvious.

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