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Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:00:00 -
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In less than a single day, 20 systems has been plexed to 20-40% vulnerability suggesting a farming pace at the moment that would make enough systems vulnerable to hit T5 in one week - something the Amarr was no able to do in two months.
The minmatar is so strong they don't even need to fit guns to win the war. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:05:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:In less than a single day, 20 systems has been plexed to 20-40% vulnerability suggesting a farming pace at the moment that would make enough systems vulnerable to hit T5 in one week - something the Amarr was no able to do in two months.
The minmatar is so strong they don't even need to fit guns to win the war.
What exactly prevents You to do same when they will flip systems (and in process screw up their T5) ? As I heard from experts any ship with guns beats gunless rifter  |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:11:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote:In less than a single day, 20 systems has been plexed to 20-40% vulnerability suggesting a farming pace at the moment that would make enough systems vulnerable to hit T5 in one week - something the Amarr was no able to do in two months.
The minmatar is so strong they don't even need to fit guns to win the war. What exactly prevents You to do same when they will flip systems (and in process screw up their T5) ? As I heard from experts any ship with guns beats gunless rifter  Maybe we don't have enough farmers (including alts from the enemy militia) on our side? I don't know, you tell me. |

David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:11:00 -
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This is really just an accident of geography. The reason the amarr militia proper has never got close to higher tiers is because they are unwilling to commit to a long campaign in Metropolis 30 jumps away from their home systems. I can't really blame you. At the minute Metropolis is just handing out free lp to the "Minmatar Militia" and I don't imagine there's any Amarr there to contest it in the way that QCATS and EM did. Tell me if I'm wrong.
I'm sure there's also a large element of pro farming going on as you say. People will have committed alt slots to the Minmatar Militia seeing their potential for Tier 5 control and will have been unwilling to make the switch to Amarr. I'm often pretty terrible at making predictions, but I'll stick my neck out. The Amarr militia will never reach Tier 5 with out the aid of a null power block.
I'm not gloating by the way. I think the current system is stupid and should be changed ASAP. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:15:00 -
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Lexmana wrote: Maybe we don't have enough farmers (including alts from the enemy militia) on our side?
Ok lets say that You have twice less farmers... So You will do it in two weeks instead of one. Still don't see problem.
Farmers dont defensive plex 
Lexmana wrote: I don't know, you tell me.
Are You sure You want to hear that?  |

Seraphine Keratuus
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:20:00 -
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Just one little thing about the current level of contestion.
Yesterday Amarr were upgrading to T4 and many Pilots in the Minmatar Militia went out to try to bump that down again. By Plexing. Which has a shocking sideeffekt: It contests the sytems! (just in case you werent aware )
I have no doubt the alt-army of doom, death and destruction will descent once more onto the Amarr but most of that initial push was from the "take them out of T4 again"-Campaign.
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Babar Baboli
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:43:00 -
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Gunless? We had guns fitted. :-) |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:49:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote: I don't know, you tell me.
Are You sure You want to hear that?  Yes I am, please enlighten me. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:52:00 -
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Lexmana wrote: Yes I am, please enlighten me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhXc2kOiEK8
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Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:02:00 -
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I think you have fried your brain after to much orbiting a button in a gunless ship. But don't worry, it makes it easier to continue doing just that. |

Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:04:00 -
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David Devant wrote:This is really just an accident of geography. The reason the amarr militia proper has never got close to higher tiers is because they are unwilling to commit to a long campaign in Metropolis 30 jumps away from their home systems. I can't really blame you. At the minute Metropolis is just handing out free lp to the "Minmatar Militia" and I don't imagine there's any Amarr there to contest it in the way that QCATS and EM did. Tell me if I'm wrong.
I'm sure there's also a large element of pro farming going on as you say. People will have committed alt slots to the Minmatar Militia seeing their potential for Tier 5 control and will have been unwilling to make the switch to Amarr. I'm often pretty terrible at making predictions, but I'll stick my neck out. The Amarr militia will never reach Tier 5 with out the aid of a null power block.
I'm not gloating by the way. I think the current system is stupid and should be changed ASAP. However, don't be so childish as to identify the Minmatar Militia with the LP whores, they are not our fault. Also, you should be man enough to concede the back breaking work that was put in long prior to inferno in order to secure so many systems in Devoid and the Bleaks.
Its a combination of the 30j, the fact that Metropolis is really bad for roaming, and that you can cut the entire region off on a non-regional gate via a single system of Eszur. The map geography is unfortunate, but I don't think its really something that will ever get changed by CCP, so I don't see the bulk of the fighting ever leaving Amarr space.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:16:00 -
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Lexmana wrote: I think you have fried your brain after to much orbiting a button in a gunless ship. But don't worry, it makes it easier to continue doing just that.
Its still better than cry on forums like You are doing  |

Pans Exual
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:20:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote: I think you have fried your brain after to much orbiting a button in a gunless ship. But don't worry, it makes it easier to continue doing just that.
Its still better than cry on forums like You are doing 
He probably blinked and missed the T4 yesterday 
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:20:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:The map geography is unfortunate, but I don't think its really something that will ever get changed by CCP, so I don't see the bulk of the fighting ever leaving Amarr space.
It's just question of willingness, speaking as person who twice (2 1/2 if you count recent Nulli thing) set up a shop in Eugidi constellation and plexed it down.
Right now Amarr would have a golden opportunity to make the FW area more dynamic as they could actually put bases to Metropolis/Heimatar and probably defend them against gunless farmers and spread the fighting around a bit instead of the immediate vicinity of Kamela.
Of course the window of opportunity is closing rapidly since Matar farmers are gleefully retaking lost systems now. |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:25:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote: I think you have fried your brain after to much orbiting a button in a gunless ship. But don't worry, it makes it easier to continue doing just that.
Its still better than cry on forums like You are doing  I don't think so but we are different. It is not worth it frying My brain.
Pointing out game design flaws on the forum is not crying. It is lobbying for a change. But you need to have your brain intact to see that. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:29:00 -
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Lexmana wrote: I don't think so but we are different. My brain is not worth frying.
Pointing out game design flaws on the forum is not crying. It is lobbying for a change. But you need to have your brain intact to see that.
Wait a bit while I will change bucket this is already full of Your tears  |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:36:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote: I don't think so but we are different. My brain is not worth frying.
Pointing out game design flaws on the forum is not crying. It is lobbying for a change. But you need to have your brain intact to see that.
Wait a bit while I will change bucket this is already full of Your tears  I wouldn't expect more from you either. I think you might have reached your intellectual capacity by now. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:43:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:
I wouldn't expect more from you either. I think you might have reached your intellectual capacity by now.
Confirming I am terrible, dumb, etc. (but it does not prevent me from tasting Your tears ) |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:52:00 -
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Peteris G wrote:Lexmana wrote:
I wouldn't expect more from you either. I think you might have reached your intellectual capacity by now.
Confirming  I am terrible, dumb, etc.  (but it does not prevent me from tasting Your tears  ) As they say, if you don't have the capacity to generate tears yourself to harvest in-game, you could just try to be a ******* on the forums. And if that fails at least you can orbit buttons in a gunless frigate. |

Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:57:00 -
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Lexmana wrote: As they say, if you don't have the capacity to generate tears yourself to harvest in-game, you could just try to be a ******* on the forums. And if that fails at least you can orbit buttons in a gunless frigate.
Thanx for great advice. You definitely are expert on that. After all You are from test    |

Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:05:00 -
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You really are a window licker |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:33:00 -
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Nulli were better farmers, getting 50k LP/day overall. Minmatar only did 39k LP yesterday :)
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Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:45:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:In less than a single day, 20 systems has been plexed to 20-40% vulnerability suggesting a farming pace at the moment that would make enough systems vulnerable to hit T5 in one week - something the Amarr was no able to do in two months.
The minmatar is so strong they don't even need to fit guns to win the war.
Seriously?
I'll give this a 3/10 as you already got a lot of bites before I saw this.
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Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:50:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:In less than a single day, 20 systems has been plexed to 20-40% vulnerability suggesting a farming pace at the moment that would make enough systems vulnerable to hit T5 in one week - something the Amarr was no able to do in two months.
The minmatar is so strong they don't even need to fit guns to win the war.
actually i plex in a pvp fit daredevil and get lots of kils doing so it can tank every sized plex. TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:24:00 -
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we could log in and flip every system ourselves leaving each one open to amarr farms. Would require effort and a actually level of care I don't have.
Perhaps someone does thou. |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:34:00 -
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We now have intel that at least two players have been plexing in ships with guns. One even in a pirate frigate. And looking at the sovereignty map the contestation levels on the 33 systems needed to hit T5 is relatively evenly spread between 16% and 83% suggesting the minmatards are already halfway from that goal.
That is truly impressive since it is only 30 hours since the massive farming campaign started. Maybe the two brave pilots that fitted guns on their ship has made a difference? Or maybe the gunless farmers are just to numerous.
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:38:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:We now have intel that at least two players have been plexing in ships with guns. One even in a pirate frigate. And looking at the sovereignty map the contestation levels on the 33 systems needed to hit T5 is relatively evenly spread between 16% and 83% suggesting the minmatards are already halfway from that goal.
That is truly impressive since it is only 30 hours since the massive farming campaign started. Maybe the two brave pilots that fitted guns on their ship has made a difference? Or maybe the gunless farmers are just to numerous.
it's the two brave pilots. 
and when the F*CK are sfi prices going to drop.
d*mnit farmers put 50,000 of them on the market NAO.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:07:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:The map geography is unfortunate, but I don't think its really something that will ever get changed by CCP, so I don't see the bulk of the fighting ever leaving Amarr space. It's just question of willingness, speaking as person who twice (2 1/2 if you count recent Nulli thing) set up a shop in Eugidi constellation and plexed it down. Right now Amarr would have a golden opportunity to make the FW area more dynamic as they could actually put bases to Metropolis/Heimatar and probably defend them against gunless farmers and spread the fighting around a bit instead of the immediate vicinity of Kamela. Of course the window of opportunity is closing rapidly since Matar farmers are gleefully retaking lost systems now.
This is a very good point. But let me say a few things
1) Amarr could set up bases in akkio and even in minmatar high sec. The navy is not that big of an issue. So its not really a matter of timing.
2) The problem is plexing mechanics right now are boring and not really a pvp activity. Chasing farmers is not as fun as the larger fleet fights we are getting in kourm. Qcats came specifically to farm nullbears. EM is just based there and were based there before fw. So I look at them as really as a non fw entity that said hey why not join fw and be able to shoot amarr without the the sec status hit.
That said I do agree the ball is more or less in amarr's court. Do we want to split up and give up some pvp in the short run (until we force more minmatar up here) to do plexing up there? Right now the answer seems a pretty clearly no. Lots of militia are really tired of talking about "tiers" and just want to take what isk we have and get some pew.
I law used to base out of oto and I would go ahead and get lots of plexing fights with em. But they are mainly a EU tz corp and ILaw is mainly US tz. So I was sort of the exception (I would get the fights on my lunch break) as most of ilaw was getting kills with neutrals. That included test - who decided to base out of out station. We farmed them like qcats did nulli. I think it was even uglier.
But after test left things were slow at night. Really slow. So we moved back. We were going to base out of egmar frer oto and arzad. But then the station lockouts rule was announced.
I have been pushing to have more amarr corps base out of akkio and the minmatar high sec systems out there. But really there isn't that much happening most nights and I can't blame amarr for not wanting to sit around chasing alts all night. I don't want to push too hard because it likely will involve allot of boredom before it gets better - if it ever does.
If ccp makes plexing an actual pvp mechanic I think you will see allot more amarr up there.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
542
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:12:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Nulli were better farmers, getting 50k LP/day overall. Minmatar only did 39k LP yesterday :)
Nulli kept farming systems that were already vulnerable. So they ended up with lp that was effectively half the value of minmatar's after minmatar hit tier 5 again.
So assumign your numbers are correct. Nullli spent more time button spinning but they only cashed out effectively 25k lp per day compared to minmatars 39k lp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:22:00 -
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Yes the plexing amounts from the minm is truly astonishing. Clearly the farming alts are having far too much of an effect in fw on the consequences for the actual fw players to enjoy.
ccp loves balance, where is your balance now!? http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
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