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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:47:00 -
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Tech2 component prices have fallen drastically in the last few months, and we have seen a corresponding fall in the price of tech2 items (albeit proportionally less). The agent drop rates have apparently been increased, and now you can manufacture the components and buy the BPOs on the NPC market. This is a good thing.
Unfortunately, we are about to see a repetition of the Tech2 price problems that occurred last year, and Morphite is the problem... It's only found in one ore, which is only found in 0.0 (afaik), and you need specialist mining skills to extract it. The market has already been cornered and prices have doubled in the last 2 weeks.
The cost of morphite now represents 86% of the total build costs of my tech 2 BPO. This is 7 times the cost of the tech 2 components required.
Morphite used to appear in small/trace quantities in normal roids. It should perhaps be put back.
Fundamentally, the issue is this: There should be more than one source for all bottom-level building components, morphite included.
ps: i am NOT a greedy tech 2 builder. I have 1 BPO, which i recieved 2 weeks ago. I have built 20 units for my own use, and made no isk whatsoever from tech 2 construction. Nor am i ever likely to (see above).
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Psy Corp on 17/01/2005 13:59:01
 Originally by: meowcat
Tech2 component prices have fallen drastically in the last few months, and we have seen a corresponding fall in the price of tech2 items (albeit proportionally less). The agent drop rates have apparently been increased, and now you can manufacture the components and buy the BPOs on the NPC market. This is a good thing.
Unfortunately, we are about to see a repetition of the Tech2 price problems that occurred last year, and Morphite is the problem... It's only found in one ore, which is only found in 0.0 (afaik), and you need specialist mining skills to extract it. The market has already been cornered and prices have doubled in the last 2 weeks.
The cost of morphite now represents 86% of the total build costs of my tech 2 BPO. This is 7 times the cost of the tech 2 components required.
Morphite used to appear in small/trace quantities in normal roids. It should perhaps be put back.
Fundamentally, the issue is this: There should be more than one source for all bottom-level building components, morphite included.
ps: i am NOT a greedy tech 2 builder. I have 1 BPO, which i recieved 2 weeks ago. I have built 20 units for my own use, and made no isk whatsoever from tech 2 construction. Nor am i ever likely to (see above).
omg oh no nerf deep core mining, you can actually make money mining mercoxit nerf it again dammit nerf 
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:08:00 -
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i think meowcat is being a bit sly
announce profits to be made from morphite - players start supplying it - price war ensues - meowcat makes his t2 stuff a lot cheaper
sneaky bugger 
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:15:00 -
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There are 2 issues here:
1. Morphite was recently the subject of an attempted (apparently successful) price fixing/monopolization scheme
2. Morphite is damn hard to mine.
Specifically 2 if we could get some T2 DCM lasers it would help a lot. Even then the skill requirements and the exploding roid problem make it annoying to mine to say the least. I'm not sure about other regions but the only sectors where mexroxit ore is seen is in sectors where you also have ark. Ark is much easier to mine, gives a greater yield, and doesn't do annoying things like cause damage to your ship.
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Shevar2
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
Morphite used to appear in small/trace quantities in normal roids. It should perhaps be put back.
Well considering the high ammount of skilltime involved before you can actually mine that stuff I would say it's good. People wont mine morphite if they can mine araknor/crock/bist for more profit and less skills. One of the mayor gripes from when DCM was released was that it was totally useless, now it's starting to get a bit more usefull. Not a bad thing at all in my book, even though i can't mine the stuff...
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: hired goon on 17/01/2005 14:30:34
Originally by: Kai Lae
do annoying things like cause damage to your ship.
Blah blah. All this time people have been hunting roids non-stop to near extinction, and the moment they start fighting back a little, it's whine whine whine! Ohnoes!
I for one will be DEFENDING these roids when you bastards appear to slaughter them. And in return they will let me drink of their sparkly golden nipples, that I would once again be king of the tech 2 komponent.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:32:00 -
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if i remeber right - you get small amaunts of morphite from arknor...
what whuld make mining mexorite useless due to small amaunt of morphite needet
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Maderda Kuhal
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Posted - 2005.01.17 14:40:00 -
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I say make the bloody stuff even harder to find and mine. Put it all in one region so alliances can fight over it and kill each other off. Let the price rise five times higher than it is now. Then very few will be able to buy tech two and everyone will continue to buy my tech one stuff. Screw tech two or three or tech infinity.
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Snaps
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:30:00 -
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i cant belive you guys are even making a real market with most t2 weapons since most players in the game cant even use them. 
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Borothis Quishir
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:34:00 -
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That used to be true siddy ark no longer produces morphite. And if anyone here has mined the stuff its a pain in the arse. 3 hours to get maybe 1000 units and your lucky if it refines for 2k morphite in that three hours i could have made double that mining ark when prices were thru the floor on morphite. The fact that morphite is raising in price again is good it means the stockpiles of it have worn away from when ppl mined in in hidden belts rat free before they patched it. Another problem with mercoxite is the fact that its only in 0.0 and isnt as widespread as ark or bist. As for the t2 dcm lasers look on the market thier available as modulated dcm lasers 120m3 base for dcm mining plue they can be fitted with crystals for regular mining when the crystals become available
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Kalsius Dakalsai
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:43:00 -
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All i can say is YAY!! Specialised mining becomes profitable again....
"OMG i cant mine mercoxit in my IBIS with no skills and not make 10 gazillion ISK in an hour with my macros!!!!" Boooooohoooooooo the sooner they REDUCE T2 drops from Agents the sooner POS start getting profitable, specialised mining (ICE/DCM) becomes profitable and you'll see a healthier market.
Roll on making it a mineral to have to work for and give good dividends at the end of it.....
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Shifar
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:54:00 -
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I'd mine it if I could find it, but after 1 year I've never seen a single roid. Perhaps spreading them out a little bit more would belp.
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:37:00 -
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I see huge drifts of mecoxit all the time that nobody touches because they're lazy. I even see people going around saying 'Yay! It's profitable to mine merc again!' and still not touching the giant drifts of merc.
Bistot for teh win! 
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:47:00 -
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Pay me and I'll tell you where to find it.
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:53:00 -
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If get cheap tech 2 deep core miners availible or prices stay at 2 times the old one we would mine that instead of ark.
My dominix can sustain like 160m3/min of mercx mining , but close to 900m3/min ark mining. (cant use harvesters on deep core mining and the cap use isnt sustainable in a dominix).
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.17 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae
There are 2 issues here:
1. Morphite was recently the subject of an attempted (apparently successful) price fixing/monopolization scheme
Well, the growing stream of morphite from the North isn't subject to any such
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2005.01.17 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
if i remeber right - you get small amaunts of morphite from arknor...
what whuld make mining mexorite useless due to small amaunt of morphite needet
Nope, only way to get morph is wby mining merc..no other way.
Originally by: ArcticFox
I see huge drifts of mecoxit all the time that nobody touches because they're lazy. I even see people going around saying 'Yay! It's profitable to mine merc again!' and still not touching the giant drifts of merc.
You wouldn't be talking a ME would arctic? :P
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2005.01.17 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger
If get cheap tech 2 deep core miners availible or prices stay at 2 times the old one we would mine that instead of ark.
My dominix can sustain like 160m3/min of mercx mining , but close to 900m3/min ark mining. (cant use harvesters on deep core mining and the cap use isnt sustainable in a dominix).
If morphite evaluated at 35000, it still paid more mining crok, bist or ark.
Too lazy to show you the calculs.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Urlee Exit
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Posted - 2005.01.17 18:37:00 -
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Meowcat, if you stopped fighting a war that you never show up to fight unless there is only one of us on, then you could afford you Morph.
OH NOES!!!!
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2005.01.17 19:16:00 -
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Morphite is fine the way it is.
More people may start mining it now as the price goes up and tech 2 DCM's come in.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.01.17 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Urlee Exit
Meowcat, if you stopped fighting a war that you never show up to fight unless there is only one of us on, then you could afford you Morph.
OH NOES!!!!
clueless.
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Tr4XX
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Posted - 2005.01.17 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Psy Corp
omg oh no nerf deep core mining, you can actually make money mining mercoxit nerf it again dammit nerf
if u have nothing usefull to say please just zip it?
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Jungle Jim
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Posted - 2005.01.17 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Urlee Exit
Meowcat, if you stopped fighting a war that you never show up to fight unless there is only one of us on, then you could afford you Morph.
OH NOES!!!!
You obviously have no clue at all do you.
Nope none what so ever...
P.S. For all others... there is a time difference problem. i.e. its 3am for most of us when they "All log in", Still we do try to be around...
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Tr4XX
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Posted - 2005.01.17 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tr4XX on 17/01/2005 20:39:02
Edited by: Tr4XX on 17/01/2005 20:36:27
and they still seem to prefer the stations over space..
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Nexz
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:32:00 -
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Who was the dude in the kestrel again who locked Frans? He got owned by a shuttle . Just messing around m8, well the times that youre on/im on at the same time, i had some good fun (weekends!). 
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.01.17 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 17/01/2005 23:15:44
Originally by: Urlee Exit
Meowcat, if you stopped fighting a war that you never show up to fight unless there is only one of us on, then you could afford you Morph.
OH NOES!!!!
i have personally waited in your system on at least 3 different days in my trusty vexor with maybe one corp member in a frigate . i see between 4/8 of you in system, we wander around looking for you, realise your docked. wait.......wait......wait........wait.....wait some more.......oh look, you come out of station in a scorpion ferox blackbirds and caracals.....wow you guys are fun.
heres a quote from last night , pleading for you to undock when you had at least 6 in the system, us being bored as usual..
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Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30003830),)
Channel Name: Local
Listener: slothe
Session started: 2005.01.16 18:26:54
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[ 2005.01.16 18:42:47 ] EVE System > Channel changed
[ 2005.01.16 19:16:21 ] slothe > do you guys ever undock ? :/
[ 2005.01.16 19:16:28 ] slothe > theres only 3 of us
[ 2005.01.16 19:16:31 ] slothe > no bs
[ 2005.01.16 19:20:53 ] EVE System > Channel changed
[ 2005.01.16 19:25:59 ] EVE System > Channel changed
[ 2005.01.16 19:27:13 ] EVE System > Channel changed
you can see we were in the system for over 30 minutes bored out of our tree, waiting mostly by your station.
then we leave system and 5 minutes later your all gatecamping.
dont give us any crap your the worst pirates weve fought so far. your just boring.
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC
what meowcat says is correct. why people are giving him grief shows the mentality of those people not the content of this post. and if the side effect of this thread is to increase demand, then thats probably whats intended and just shows market dynamics of supply and demand in action.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.01.17 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 17/01/2005 23:23:40
mmm... with the money i save by choosing not to buy any morphite at over-inflated prices, i could sustain our war against wraiths reborn for about 2 years :-)
there's a thought 
Lordmix and co were much more fun though
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.01.18 00:49:00 -
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"Kitty" here is the dark evil truth about tech 2 BPOs: many (most?) of them produce goods of limited value relative to the cost of production.
The price of morphite doesn't have much to do with it. Either the demand is very high and you can wash out the building expenses with your profits -or- the BPO gathers dust in your hangar. 
Sadly most folks don't figure this out until they try to make money with tech 2 produciton.
ps - go after the nasty rogue drones. They drop good minerals including morphite. Or find a system that has a good rogue drone population and put good buy orders on the market.
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Captain Tinrib
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Posted - 2005.01.18 11:10:00 -
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WTS 5K morphite
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2005.01.18 11:50:00 -
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I think if the yield would be increased a bit, there'd be more going on the market.
as it is now it'll always be twice as profitable to mine other stuff, or at least was last time i cared about roids. |
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