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Karbowiak Caldari Bad Company DBD DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2010.12.24 13:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Space Pinata Originally by: Karbowiak You should visit eve-kill some more.. Hell, i even added snow to the board! And as for killmails ruining your game, htfu *get. If you cant handle it, go play WoW or Hello Kitty Online. EVE is a man's game, not a *'s game.. u mad im very mad.. Esp. cause noone has said anything about the snow on eve-kill :( Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO**
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.12.24 13:32:00 - [62] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Originally by: Space Pinata Whether or not you think people should be OK with lossmails doesn't change the fact that a lot of them aren't, and that a lot of them aren't PVPing because of it. Ahhh... finally... so the actual problem are LOSSMAILS not KILLMAILS Both, actually. Lossmails prevent some people from PVPing. Killmails make people do stupid **. Like refusing to hold the other side of the gate, and letting an enemy get away in hull, because they disobeyed orders and jumped through to try to *** into the killmail at the last second. Lost an important kill to that. Prolly wasting my breath on a troll without two brain cells to rub together, sadly. Think of it this way: There are a lot of people who honestly don't care about whether they win or lose. They just want to play. There are a lot of people who also fap furiously at any win they get, and go off insulting whoever they beat. This is approximately all of them, as EVE is primarily populated by young males who feel the need to prove themselves in pixels. See: Every thread in C&P. All of them. It's either terribly tears (followed by trolling the loser) or trolling the loser (followed by tears, or more trolling). Basically, more people would PVP, and the ones who do PVP would PVP more, if there was less of a stigma against losing. I'm sure someone will quote-mine this post and chestbeat, but it doesn't change that I'm right. Think of it this way: You're really good at, idk, hockey. You usually win. Every time you win, you make fun of the other team relentlessly. Some of them give up, some don't. A lot never try because the environment is hostile, as opposed to a friendly competition. (Friendly =/= fair) ...Then, suddenly, no one plays anymore! When they do, they only do so because they know they can win. Sound familiar? Because that's EVE in a nutshell.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 13:36:00 - [63] Originally by: Space Pinata There are a lot of people who honestly don't care about whether they win or lose. They just want to play. All that needs to be said really... Two thumbs up! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
011010100110111101100101	Posted - 2010.12.24 13:38:00 - [64] Edited by: 011010100110111101100101 on 24/12/2010 13:38:16 Originally by: Jenn aSide stupid things Like someone already pointed out you're an idiot for thinking K:L ratio determines who wins. It shows that you don't understand eve at all. It looks like you more of a 14yr old call of duty guy. Thats ok, FPS are popular for a reason. But eve isn't one. In no way do killmails equal score for determining a winner. It's this kind of mentality that ruins eve pvp and brings about many of the problems made possible by killmails.
Tornan Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Fvr Pvpr Than a fat kid playing soccer. You just ruin every game your in especially eve. I'm in a pvp corp. We get tons of kills you think that would be fun right NO its NOT because everyone is obsessed with their KB and their stats. The ISK the DAMAGE the K:L ration blahblahblah jesus christ. Everything is about this. People use like 3 diferent kbs.... wth. It made me start looking at mine I only have 1 loss and hundreds of kills. lol... now I am obsessed with it to. I cant enjoy killing ** because its all about the kb. You people are obsessed with it and I can't play the game and me involved in 99% of the conversations without hearing about it. This applies to almost every corp in the game that does PVP. It's just not fun anymore... everyone is obessed with this. [orange] CCP REMOVE KILL MAILS [/size=5] You know how I said I am one of you now? A killmail *? How I hate this game because of it... well you for that. I hate this . You know I rare;y ever look at your killboards ever. I don't care about them. I don't care at all do you guys actually think anyone cares about any other killboard besides their own? No one goes around autopiloting looking up peoples kbs and saying oo that dude is great. lol... They probably don't even if your their enemy. Just god wtf I want to buy battle clinic and take it down but then you *gots would just use other ones... jesus. This is awful. you do realize that ranting about this proves you actualy care about it
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Hooch Flux The problem isn't really KM's, it's the attitude of the players. KM's are just information at the end of the day, it's what people do with it that is the issue... Smart people choose the way of the least resistance. What do you think is easier to change, KM's or the attitude of the players? If people only changed their attitude towards driving, we wouldn't need seatbelts and other safety measures.... ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Hooch Flux The problem isn't really KM's, it's the attitude of the players. KM's are just information at the end of the day, it's what people do with it that is the issue... Smart people choose the way of the least resistance. What do you think is easier to change, KM's or the attitude of the players? If people only changed their attitude towards driving, we wouldn't need seatbelts and other safety measures.... Totally agree, people will go for the low hanging fruit. Not sure though if easier always equals smarter. Especially if it doesn't actually address the problem and only treats a symptom... I do see where you are coming from though! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Shiptoaster	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:26:00 - [68] For all the people saying it's for intel.. lol. How about asking people what happened or checking logs and piecing it together and making a note of it. That, would be intel. What you're saying you need is an I'm stupid report. Tell me everything on 1 page regardless of how it ruins the game in dozens of ways cheat sheet
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:34:00 - [69] kill boards area joke Im not sure people get angry about them although I can definitely see why people would get upset if their corp is stupid enough to care about kill boards. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Cupio Mortem Laughter doesn't amuse you? Aren't we awesome. [orange]ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?![/size=5] ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cupio Mortem Laughter doesn't amuse you? Aren't we awesome. [orange]ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?![/size=5] One could intepret that as as an indirect call for arenas you know
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:07:00 - [72] Edited by: Jenn aSide on 24/12/2010 16:08:20 Originally by: Space Pinata Ah, one of you. Protip: Insulting people all day won't change how they are. Whether or not you think people should be OK with lossmails doesn't change the fact that a lot of them aren't, and that a lot of them aren't PVPing because of it. The question, then, is.. Do you want the game to be more fun, with more PVP? Or do you want to spite people you disagree with? So somehow eliminating a record of kills and losses will encourage more people to pvp? As there are enough people pvping in my neck of the woods I don't care about that, even if its true. If some people aren't pvping because they are scared their fictional spaceship captain's name will appear in a negative light on an internet killboard, they simply don't have the heart to pvp in EVE in the 1st place and eve pvp is better without them. EVE is harsh, public humiliation is a part of that harshness. As I like harsh, I like KMs lol.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cupio Mortem Laughter doesn't amuse you? Aren't we awesome. [orange]ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?![/size=5] Killboards put the laughter into manslaughter. Not supported.
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Space Pinata Basically, more people would PVP, and the ones who do PVP would PVP more, if there was less of a stigma against losing. The "stigma against losing" along with EVE's incredibly harsh death penalty is the best parts of eve pvp. I find it amazing that people actually and truthfully want to neuter aspects of the game to make themselves more comfortable in the game. IMO Kill/loss mails along with truly losing stuff (something that doesn't really happen in many mmos) provide an incentive against reckless stupidity, and THAT imo makes for better (if not "more" pvp.
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:21:00 - [75] Good post, my KB sucks, do i care? do i ****.
Sraik Doubter PWNED THEORY	Posted - 2010.12.24 17:05:00 - [76] I liked the snow. But it sort of freaked me out at first...thought it was bugs.
Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.24 17:18:00 - [77] [orange] AM I DOING IT RIGHT? [/size=5] Crazy doesn't even start to cover it
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2010.12.24 17:29:00 - [78] This thread has got to be full of some of the most idiotic replies I have ever seen. I'm wondering how many of you are actaully capable of rational thought. If lossmails are preventing people from playing EVE then lets be honest, we aren't going to miss those people are we? I say they should all quit and take up needlepoint or knitting. The same applies equally to those whose only reason for playing is to get killmails. Now I'm not including the tear farmers in there, the ones who seek some sort of emotional outburst to accompany that killmail, but the ones who are only interested in numbers on a screen and rankings on some obscure killboard. EVE is supposed to be about the players. About the interaction between one player and another, not about who has destroyed what. So to all the lossmail chickens and the killmail hoarders I say this, get the hell out of EVE. Lossmail weenies, go learn to knit, killmail hoarders, go play Call of Duty. Then maybe the rest of us can continue enjoying this game.
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.12.24 17:31:00 - [79] Edited by: Guttripper on 24/12/2010 17:33:36 Kill boards are like online **** - without it, people would not know what to do with themselves... Edit: Interesting that pictures of naked humans gets asterisked out. ("Think of the children!")
ifollowed through	Posted - 2010.12.24 18:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Cupio Mortem Laughter doesn't amuse you? Aren't we awesome. [orange]ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?![/size=5] Killboards put the laughter into manslaughter. Not supported. That would LSD and fast cars actually

Br41n Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.12.24 18:39:00 - [81] [orange]SO WHATS HAPPENING IN HERE?[/size=5] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Desigre Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.24 18:52:00 - [82] well im sure ccp could come up some sort of ranking system. you get awarded points on kills based on several factors: Ships involved (10v1 would not award any points), ship sizes (titan onshotting ecm frigate would give no points) and relative difference or charachter ages (new one kill old, gets tons of points)...
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2010.12.24 18:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Karbowiak Esp. cause noone has said anything about the snow on eve-kill :( I think the snowflakes are a really nice touch, Karbowiak :3
Roosterton Internet Submarine Raiders	Posted - 2010.12.24 19:04:00 - [84] Edited by: Roosterton on 24/12/2010 19:04:27 I like killmails. Seeing who strongly cares about them shows who's an e-peen waving asshat who should be avoided. If a corp has membership restrictions based on killboard stats, then I'm not joining you, even if I meet those restrictions. (Yeah, right ) -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Karbowiak Caldari Bad Company DBD DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2010.12.24 19:34:00 - [85] Originally by: Aloe Cloveris Originally by: Karbowiak Esp. cause noone has said anything about the snow on eve-kill :( I think the snowflakes are a really nice touch, Karbowiak :3 <3 Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2010.12.24 19:39:00 - [86] I still think "Incident Reports" to replace kill/loss mails would work better because it's a double-edged sword and can cut both ways. Would someone who ranks their prowess on kill mails be so bold if they had an equal number of reports indicating those targets that got away or managed to stand long enough to self destruct? How about those PVPers who are new to the game and never score a kill, but have participated in them? Kill mails do have "involved parties" listed of course but I want to see how they measure up in the group when they don't win - this is an avenue, or a record, for the lesser skilled to show their history in PVP. A resume of sorts. Not all PVP is getting the kill either. A blockade running pilot could well benefit from reports indicating being fired upon and by who (more on that) but showing no ship loss in the report, and further information on the damage taken before escape. And such reports would also show who attacked, and failed, which is more accurate for mercenary roles. Just having a kill mail shows the kills, but what is the ratio? There is no "didn't win" mail. Incident reports would help that. Just having a loss mail is equally shortcoming, for how many times do you get popped versus how many times you ran the blockade or onslaughts you withstood? Incident reports should also show ransoms and whether or not further hostilities occurred in the involved parties within 15 minutes of that ransom. So I am just saying, Incident Reports would show a more accurate record of a pilots performance for their chosen role. Kill mails are just for people looking for kills. Loss mails are for those who have to go shopping for a new ship. Recording of overall success or fail outside of just "killed or not killed" or "you killed them or failed at killing them" and ransoms will let pilots show their success along the profiles of how they fly, and even let CEOs make better choices in who they recruit (a "real" pirate corp the makes its income on ransoms and depends on a reputation of honoring them would not, for example, want to recruit someone who has a penchant for not honoring ransoms).
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Cupio Mortem my reward usually comes in the form of cackling laughter followed by trying to rouse up some tears-filled-evemails from the loser. I'm not sadistic, so that stuff doesn't amuse or satisfy me. only ******s (and I use that in the most literal meaning) are incapable of schadenfreude.
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:24:00 - [88] Originally by: Frug Too bad there's no better alternative. A record of combat performance isn't all bad. We need something. Some heads to hang above our fireplace. You mean like the ones on corpses?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:26:00 - [89] I like killboards. I wish they'd exclude non-piloted ships (or at least ships that had been empty for at least half an hour prior to destruction) and POS structures (or move POS structures to their own separate section.) It would also be nice if they were zero sum and had a more rational/accurate scoring mechanism. Obviously they'll never be perfect (logistics/ecm will get shortchanged) but they could be a lot better.
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.12.24 21:51:00 - [90] [orange] Even though I kinda agree with you, this thread is now about this new meme [/size=5]



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