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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:10:00 -
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RvB versus EVE University. The honourable versus the dishonourable.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/09/eve-universitys-no-sop-month-rvb-tears.html
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
203
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:23:00 -
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Who the **** cares about GǣhonourGǥ and GǣresponsibilitiesGǥGǪ
The real meat is this little passage: GÇ£The University has re-implemented its decshield (if you want people to wardec the Uni, why make it more expensive for them?)GÇ¥GǪ That's quite a harsh accusation to make. If it's true, why don't they just get the Uni leadership banned? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
4
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:32:00 -
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Hai guys, let's dec this corp, then whine about how they fight back with every tactical advantage they have. Then whine about it some more and ban them from our comms. |

Myxx
Atropos Group Celestial Imperative
66
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:34:00 -
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if all of this is true, its kind of sad. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:40:00 -
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What is the TL;DR? |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:46:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:What is the TL;DR? RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
203
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:What is the TL;DR? RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home. GǪand is then accused of using 'sploits.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
79
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:06:00 -
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Myxx wrote:if all of this is true, its kind of sad.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:What is the TL;DR? RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home. GǪand is then accused of using 'sploits. Err. A decshield isn't an exploit. The Uni has been using a 2 corporation decshield for the last year. Just seems dumb to use that decshield during a month when you want war declarations (granted they weren't using it during the first week, but it seems to be back in use.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:21:00 -
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Pretty much everything I have ever read about wardecs has convinced me that staying in the starter NPC corp is the right decision. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
91
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:50:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tippia wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:What is the TL;DR? RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home. GǪand is then accused of using 'sploits. Err. A decshield isn't an exploit. The Uni has been using a 2 corporation decshield for the last year. Just seems dumb to use that decshield during a month when you want war declarations (granted they weren't using it during the first week, but it seems to be back in use.)
If my understanding of what a "decshield" actually is then it is a exploit or at least should be. If it means they have alt corps thats sole reason is to dec them to raise the price of war decs against them. |

I'thari
31
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:53:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tippia wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:What is the TL;DR? RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home. GǪand is then accused of using 'sploits. Err. A decshield isn't an exploit. The Uni has been using a 2 corporation decshield for the last year. Just seems dumb to use that decshield during a month when you want war declarations (granted they weren't using it during the first week, but it seems to be back in use.) It is, actually, an exploit if you wardec your own corp for a sole purpose of increasing wardec costs vs your corp. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:56:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:If my understanding of what a "decshield" actually is ... it means they have alt corps thats sole reason is to dec them to raise the price of war decs against them. I'thari wrote:It is, actually, an exploit if you wardec your own corp for a sole purpose of increasing wardec costs vs your corp. It used to be an exploit. Then, about 12 months ago, CCP changed their policy (via discussions with Kelduum) to allow up to two alt corps to maintain a decshield. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
91
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:59:00 -
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If thats the case thats a horrible decision on CCPs part. It also shows just how flawed and ****** the whole war dec system is. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
68
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:04:00 -
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Myxx wrote:if all of this is true, its kind of sad. It is. All the quotes are on their forums.
(Unfortunately, my links may not be perfect. Since I too am banned from the EVE University websites, I'm trying to get the original links while using various web proxies. At any rate, all the quotes I list are in that one forum thread between pages 42 and 45. Hopefully the Uni doesn't see fit to remove that thread. They might.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
203
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:It used to be an exploit. Then, about 12 months ago, CCP changed their policy (via discussions with Kelduum) to allow up to two alt corps to maintain a decshield. Wow. That's about the most insanely retarded things I've heard.
So how do you go about telling CCP GMs to reverse their idiocy on a policy level these days?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

I'thari
31
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Posted - 2011.09.25 20:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:It used to be an exploit. Then, about 12 months ago, CCP changed their policy (via discussions with Kelduum) to allow up to two alt corps to maintain a decshield. Wow. That's about the most insanely ret arded things I've heard. So how do you go about telling CCP GMs to reverse their idiocy on a policy level these days? The more I read stuff about CCP, the more become I convinced that idioticy is their policy, not the other way around... |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
635
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:11:00 -
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A few of things:
- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit - there were other factors involved in the earlier ones which have have been, which I wont go into. In fact, GMs on many cases have stated that you can declare war for any reason, and there is no need to fight. Right now, we have a bunch of wars (7 or 8 off the top of my head) and we're
- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything, and they certainly haven't spoken to me about any policy changes - the difference recently (which is actually less than 6 months, not a year) is that I laid out a way where everything is paid for, and asked them to confirm that its ok.
- Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people simply to drive traffic to his failed blog - this is quite amusing as a recent EN24 story which fell for some trolling was attacked by him for accepting made up information and mis-quotes as truth. My guess is he misses the attention, and is getting close to being a stalker, just check his previous posts and you should be able to see why he was removed.
As CCP has posted a few times in his threads, if you need to question CCP policies or actions, just file a petition. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |

mkint
57
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:26:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:A few of things:
- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit - there were other factors involved in the earlier ones which have have been, which I wont go into. In fact, GMs on many cases have stated that you can declare war for any reason, and there is no need to fight. Right now, we have a bunch of wars (7 or 8 off the top of my head) and we're
- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything, and they certainly haven't spoken to me about any policy changes - the difference recently (which is actually less than 6 months, not a year) is that I laid out a way where everything is paid for, and asked them to confirm that its ok.
- Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people simply to drive traffic to his failed blog - this is quite amusing as a recent EN24 story which fell for some trolling was attacked by him for accepting made up information and mis-quotes as truth. My guess is he misses the attention, and is getting close to being a stalker, just check his previous posts and you should be able to see why he was removed.
As CCP has posted a few times in his threads, if you need to question CCP policies or actions, just file a petition.
So... are you saying you didn't wardec a corp, complain that they didn't come to find you, then get all pissed off when they attacked your POS without notifying you in triplicate? I have nothing for or against your corp/alliance, but I think this is an interesting enough topic to get IC coverage. You IVY guys try to manipulate the IC propaganda in your favor all the time, but this is the first time I've heard about how you actually conduct yourselves in war (especially as unprovoked aggressors.) |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
635
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:28:00 -
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Oh, and actual tl;dr while I'm here:
E-UNI decs RvB and ADOPT, some people dec E-UNI. Much fun is had, with many many explosions and something like 30 billion ISK in total kills so far.
RvB, ADOPT and some others decide to bash the Uni POS to provoke a massive fight, but take ages to get organised, suggesting it has been cancelled, and E-UNI then takes the fleet and everyone they can get to go help Chribba instead.
POS gets bashed, not knowing what the intentions are, and unable to contact anyone, E-UNI retracts wars. POS is repaired back to 100% in 38 min, and >200 members get live class on POS mechanics.
After finding out what was going on, E-UNI still <3 RvB and ADOPT, despite them not letting us know what the intention was and taking ages to form their fleet, and will arrange more pew-pew with them later on. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:28:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people. Who did I misquote? All the quotes were complete copy-pastes. While the links themselves may not bring you straight to the post in question (due to me using a web proxy to get to the forums), those quotes are all in that thread between pages 42 and 45.
I don't believe I misrepresented anything. Feel free to explain where my reading of Twitter and your forums is incorrect.
Here are some other good blog posts that Kelduum would no doubt qualify as trolls and attention whoring, simply because they criticise his University. It is his job to defend his corporation, so no hard feelings on him doing so.
Why EVE University Should Change Its Name
Regarding My Thoughts On EVE University
All that aside ... if a Corporation A wardecs a Corporation B, is it crazy to think that that Corporation A should actually do the travelling to engage Corporation B? Or should Corp A sit back, hoping that the Corp B will come to them, and if Corp B doesn't come to Corp A, then Corp A is entitled complain about how bored they are.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
635
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:35:00 -
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mkint wrote:So... are you saying...
Can't really comment on the IC thing, as manipulation would be difficult when they tend to get random facts wrong, but I spoke to Del/David from RvB before declaring and he said the wardec would be fine, and contacted The PitBoss directly after declaring war on The 0rphanage explaining the reasons - after all, they like PvP do they not, and I would have thought 1400 newbies hauling and running missions solo would be a nice target for them.
Not exactly 'unprovoked' now, is it? Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:45:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:I would have thought 1400 newbies hauling and running missions solo would be a nice target for them. Seriously. These are the numbers you're presenting? ;)
You might have 1300ish members, but few of them were actively running missions or hauling solo during the last week (not when there were 200+ war targets within 5 jumps of Aldrat all week long.) What percent of your losses last week were haulers and mission runners? Maybe 3%? (Not including managers and directors flying about in ridiculous shinies trying to get popped to prove a "valuable" WSOP point later on.)
What most of your war targets were presented with (if they weren't straight up alumni corporations, where you pre-arranged little battles with them out away from Aldrat) were giant defensive gate camps in Aldrat (from Eygfe), hoping for dumbasses to jump into you, rather than you guys going out hunting. The hunting parties were infrequent, what with the majority of Unistas just sitting on a gate in a giant 80-120 ship blob, a defensive blob that was pretty much constant 18-20 hours of each 23.5 hour game day.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:46:00 -
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Double post (due to Eve Gate screwiness.) What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

The Apostle
The Black Priests
92
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:53:00 -
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I've tried very hard to deduce from this well-written article that something is terribly wrong. What I saw was a bitter, "They didn't fight the way we wanted or expected" post.
In fact, I saw this whole post as nothing more than a personal blog post crying for some clicks. Do we REALLY need to bring these bitter and personal rants into this public forum?
Really. It's Eve. If no rules were broken, how people fight/not fight etc. is all part of the game. And more besides, war is not and never was "honorable".
"He who wins, wins." The Apostle circa 2011
My advice, since empire antics seems not for you, take your crew into 0.0 for awhile. No war decs are neccessary so there's no costs involved. Goodfights are guaranteed.
Blog about THAT and I'll be happy to read all about 'em. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:57:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I've tried very hard to deduce from this well-written article that something is terribly wrong. What I saw was a bitter, "They didn't fight the way we wanted or expected" post.
In fact, I saw this whole post as nothing more than a personal blog post crying for some clicks. Do we REALLY need to bring these bitter and personal rants into this public forum? I find EVE University's hypocrisy interesting. Everything that went wrong in the RvB wardec is stuff that the Uni complains about all the time. Not too mention, the Uni wanted some real, yet when the wars turned all too real, they slammed the door on them.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
203
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Posted - 2011.09.25 23:02:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit BS.GM Nythanos wrote:For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited. GǪthat is pretty much as declarative as it gets.Kelduum Revaan wrote:- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything If it is suddenly no longer prohibited to use alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation, then they have changed their policy. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
70
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Posted - 2011.09.25 23:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit BS.GM Nythanos wrote:For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited. GǪthat is pretty much as declarative as it gets. Kelduum Revaan wrote:- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything If it is suddenly no longer prohibited to use alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation, then they have changed their policy. Kelduum twists the truth constantly (he's hoping no one had those links still.) His job is to put EVE University in a good light, to steer it well away from any controversy it has been or currently is involved in.
Don't let Kelduum fool you. He was involved with CCP in getting that policy changed, since it was a benefit for EVE University to have a decshield (and what is good for EVE University, is good for new player retention.) Kelduum is in contact with various CCP Devs and GMs rather frequently (he tends to brag about it in non-specific terms on Mumble quite a lot.) What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |

Vin Hellsing
69
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Posted - 2011.09.25 23:08:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Oh, and actual tl;dr while I'm here:
E-UNI decs RvB and ADOPT, some people dec E-UNI. Much fun is had, with many many explosions and something like 30 billion ISK in total kills so far.
RvB, ADOPT and some others decide to bash the Uni POS to provoke a massive fight, but take ages to get organised, suggesting it has been cancelled, and E-UNI then takes the fleet and everyone they can get to go help Chribba instead.
POS gets bashed, not knowing what the intentions are, and unable to contact anyone, E-UNI retracts wars. POS is repaired back to 100% in 38 min, and >200 members get live class on POS mechanics.
After finding out what was going on, E-UNI still <3 RvB and ADOPT, despite them not letting us know what the intention was and taking ages to form their fleet, and will arrange more pew-pew with them later on.
I'm still annoyed that EVE Uni has no provisions or policies in place regarding people who are Hearing Impaired and therefore unable to participate in said 'live' classes. I'd appreciate it if you could talk to me about that sometime. |

Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.09.25 23:09:00 -
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TL;DR - E-UNI got butthurt mad that we stomped on their POS a bit, so they retracted the war dec. |
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