What is the TL;DR?

RvB beats up Eve Uni. Eve Uni cries foul -- claims RvB has no honour. Eve Uni takes ball and stomps off home.

if all of this is true, its kind of sad.

GǪand is then accused of using 'sploits.

Err. A decshield isn't an exploit. The Uni has been using a 2 corporation decshield for the last year. Just seems dumb to use that decshield during a month when you want war declarations (granted they weren't using it during the first week, but it seems to be back in use.)

Err. A decshield isn't an exploit. The Uni has been using a 2 corporation decshield for the last year. Just seems dumb to use that decshield during a month when you want war declarations (granted they weren't using it during the first week, but it seems to be back in use.)

If my understanding of what a "decshield" actually is ... it means they have alt corps thats sole reason is to dec them to raise the price of war decs against them.

It is, actually, an exploit if you wardec your own corp for a sole purpose of increasing wardec costs vs your corp.

if all of this is true, its kind of sad.

It used to be an exploit. Then, about 12 months ago, CCP changed their policy (via discussions with Kelduum) to allow up to two alt corps to maintain a decshield.

Wow. That's about the most insanely retarded things I've heard.

So how do you go about telling CCP GMs to reverse their idiocy on a policy level these days?

A few of things:

- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit - there were other factors involved in the earlier ones which have have been, which I wont go into. In fact, GMs on many cases have stated that you can declare war for any reason, and there is no need to fight. Right now, we have a bunch of wars (7 or 8 off the top of my head) and we're

- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything, and they certainly haven't spoken to me about any policy changes - the difference recently (which is actually less than 6 months, not a year) is that I laid out a way where everything is paid for, and asked them to confirm that its ok.

- Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people simply to drive traffic to his failed blog - this is quite amusing as a recent EN24 story which fell for some trolling was attacked by him for accepting made up information and mis-quotes as truth. My guess is he misses the attention, and is getting close to being a stalker, just check his previous posts and you should be able to see why he was removed.

As CCP has posted a few times in his threads, if you need to question CCP policies or actions, just file a petition.

Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people.

So... are you saying...

I would have thought 1400 newbies hauling and running missions solo would be a nice target for them.

I've tried very hard to deduce from this well-written article that something is terribly wrong. What I saw was a bitter, "They didn't fight the way we wanted or expected" post.

In fact, I saw this whole post as nothing more than a personal blog post crying for some clicks. Do we REALLY need to bring these bitter and personal rants into this public forum?

- The "DecShield thing" was never declared an exploit

For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited.

- I'm, not aware of CCP changing their policy for anything

BS.GǪthat is pretty much as declarative as it gets.If it is suddenly no longer prohibited to use alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation, then they have changed their policy.

Oh, and actual tl;dr while I'm here:

E-UNI decs RvB and ADOPT, some people dec E-UNI. Much fun is had, with many many explosions and something like 30 billion ISK in total kills so far.

RvB, ADOPT and some others decide to bash the Uni POS to provoke a massive fight, but take ages to get organised, suggesting it has been cancelled, and E-UNI then takes the fleet and everyone they can get to go help Chribba instead.

POS gets bashed, not knowing what the intentions are, and unable to contact anyone, E-UNI retracts wars. POS is repaired back to 100% in 38 min, and >200 members get live class on POS mechanics.

After finding out what was going on, E-UNI still <3 RvB and ADOPT, despite them not letting us know what the intention was and taking ages to form their fleet, and will arrange more pew-pew with them later on.

Kelduum twists the truth constantly (he's hoping no one had those links still.) His job is to put EVE University in a good light, to steer it well away from any controversy it has been or currently is involved in.

Don't let Kelduum fool you. He was involved with CCP in getting that policy changed, since it was a benefit for EVE University to have a decshield (and what is good for EVE University, is good for new player retention.) Kelduum is in contact with various CCP Devs and GMs rather frequently (he tends to brag about it in non-specific terms on Mumble quite a lot.)

This includes breaking any unwritten understanding about a POS being off limits

I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you are guilty of the exact same crime that you acuse Kelduum of here with regards to propaganda.

I fully agree with Poetic that it was a bit of a "oh **** what have we done pull the plug" kind of thing, but I can hardly blame Uni for it.

The RvB leadership involved with the POS Bash were never informed that the POS was off limits. In fact it was our understanding it was put into DIckstar mode precisely because it was still fair game.

In fact, maybe I should start a thread complaining about CCP's lack of public communication regarding what is allowed and what isn't allowed.

on't let Kelduum fool you. He was involved with CCP in getting that policy changed, since it was a benefit for EVE University to have a decshield (and what is good for EVE University, is good for new player retention.) Kelduum is in contact with various CCP Devs and GMs rather frequently (he tends to brag about it in non-specific terms on Mumble quite a lot.)

A recent EN24 story which fell for some trolling was attacked by him for accepting made up information and mis-quotes as truth.

Without being part of this whole mess, or even agreeing with the majority of what the OP has presented us, the bolded bit is truth.

Again, he likes to brag to his students the level of contact he has with CCP. It is the standard (and historical) part of his "What is the Decshield?" speech on voice comms when a new player asks.

I do not blame Kelduum for retracting the wardec as a result, as it was the most assured method of protecting our assets. Protecting your assets is not a crime.

Poetic is a massive troll and attention ***** who's only goal now seems to be to try and make things up and mis-quote people simply to drive traffic to his failed blog

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Retracting the wardec was the right thing to do to protect the POS. What got under my skin were many of the Unista accusations that RvB had engaged in dirty tricks and underhanded play. Even from Kelduum, who suggested that RvB should have informed him that they were going to attack the POS. (When Silentbrick decided to put up an SBU in Russian sov space a couple months ago, did he inform the russkies of his intentions beforehand?)

RvB did nothing wrong, and used the Uni's allegiance to Chribba to their advantage. It was a tactical and strategic coup. They should be congratulated, not castigated.

And we all frame our arguments to serve our message. I do it. You do it. Kelduum does it. I backed up my framing with actual quotes. So, whereas you might not have liked how I framed the message, the message itself wasn't inaccurate.

Is it okay to create a "decshield" for your personal research corporation? Taking down and reanchoring POS's is a bother. How exactly does E-Uni do it? Their CEO mentioned changing tactics on how the "decshield" works. Are they making the wars mutal so they do not have to pay a dime, while still driving up dec costs?

If this has been properly petitioned and is considered a feature, I too am interested.

RvB are blue from the Uni once again.

I don't care about most of this thread, but I would like to get clarification from CCP if the "decshield" is in fact an exploit. I was under the impression that it was indeed considered an exploit.

At this point, I'm just trying to figure out who is the more bitter person- Poetic and his grudge against Eve Uni or Damar and his grudge against the Gallente militia.