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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 25/12/2010 10:40:12
Hello all,
As we all know, the next upcoming (third) release of Incursions will bring us the new portrait creator, later to be used as 3D character in Incarna.
The problem that a lot of people are facing is that the new options often don't enable you to make a character that even remotely resembles the face you picked when you made your character. With the fourth installment of the editor, options are even more restricted than they were before and a lot of hair colours, eye colours, hairstyles have been taken away and we're often forced into looks we don't want.
Now I don't know if CCP realizes it, but for a lot of people the looks of your character are very important. If I pick a space orc I don't want to be forced into looking like an Eldar with the next installment, or if I pick a Porsche I don't want to be forced to pick a Ford because the developer makes some graphical changes. It greatly takes away from the immersion and ability to identify with your capsuleer.
So what I want to propose is a free one-time option to change bloodlines with the 3rd installment of Incursions.
I can understand changing races will have impact on your racial skills, but bloodlines won't have any impact whatsoever since the differences are purely cosmetic. Nonetheless, if we'd get an optional racial remap that would even be better, of course!!
Thanks for reading.
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Jenny Cameron
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:33:00 -
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Well that's one vote to start with! 
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:46:00 -
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I would really have less fun playing EVE if I have to look how I don't want to look so that's a yes from me.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:47:00 -
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Hm.. I think I want that too. Just as option.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.25 11:23:00 -
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i whanna keep my ******ed picture
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Anne Arqui
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.25 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Arqui on 25/12/2010 11:50:29
Yessssssss!
Vherorior are unrecognizable in the new editor! I'd like to have a total remake, even another race would be fine!
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2010.12.25 13:03:00 -
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Well why not since it doesn't have any effect on gameplay... |
Feiryred
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Posted - 2010.12.25 13:22:00 -
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I'm happy with race, but I'd NEVER have chosen this bloodline as my main-so YES I vote for a change!
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Kechanski
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Posted - 2010.12.25 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kechanski on 25/12/2010 16:57:54
Yes please, Vherokior don't look anything like they used to.
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Kersh Marelor
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Posted - 2010.12.25 17:22:00 -
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Definately worth the support.
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Takashi Kaeda
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Posted - 2010.12.25 18:55:00 -
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+1
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.12.25 19:48:00 -
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Surprisingly enough I think I will for once be happy with my character after these changes, but it has not always been the case and I have felt my starter bloodline choice pretty inadequate in the few last years. So I can definitly understand that. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2010.12.25 22:04:00 -
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Flexibility is always good.
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Gobann Muraco
Confederation Navy Research
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Posted - 2010.12.25 22:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Kechanski
Edited by: Kechanski on 25/12/2010 16:57:54
Yes please, Vherokior don't look anything like they used to.
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Keaton DuCasse
Confederation Navy Research
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Posted - 2010.12.25 22:54:00 -
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Here we go ... 
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Decus Daga
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Posted - 2010.12.26 01:12:00 -
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Yes, yes and yes?!
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Trina Selena
Equitas Mortalitas
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Posted - 2010.12.26 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Trina Selena on 26/12/2010 02:47:39
This option should DEFINITELY be given.
The starting attributes of all the races have now been equalized.
So I see no harm or game breaking changes if they simply allow us to change our bloodlines/race.
I say let it be an option.
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Ebenizer
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.26 03:01:00 -
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Signed
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.26 03:33:00 -
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Supported
I'd be surprised if CCP hadn't thought of this, but I've not tested the new character creator yet. It would certainly seem unfair that your character's blood-line (effectively only meaningful for RP and looks now) is set in stone such that you may be 'dealt' a creator that has features you don't like.
First: Can you currently pay for a changed portrait? (IIRC, the answer is no but I've never looked into it)
If you CAN: no problem, this should be easy to do much like a 'remap' for your attributes.
If you CAN'T: The system doesn't currently exist to transfer the ID of a character to a new creator and would need to be developed.
I'm all for this and I would hope that this issue has already been taken into account by CCP. +1 for making sure?
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Maz3r Rakum
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.12.26 04:27:00 -
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.26 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 26/12/2010 05:02:09
No name change, no bloodline change, no race change - e-bay less.
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Jay Wareth
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Posted - 2010.12.26 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alias 6322A
First: Can you currently pay for a changed portrait? (IIRC, the answer is no but I've never looked into it)
You can, but I have no idea if you can change your portrait to another race. (I doubt it.)
Regardless, supported.
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Terazul
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Posted - 2010.12.26 06:01:00 -
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Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.26 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jay Wareth
Originally by: Alias 6322A
First: Can you currently pay for a changed portrait? (IIRC, the answer is no but I've never looked into it)
You can, but I have no idea if you can change your portrait to another race. (I doubt it.)
to the best of my knowledge, the current option in 'account management' allows you to swap portraits from any character to any character, so i don't see any reason why you couldn't 're-make' yourself with a picture from another race...
if i'm wrong about this, someone please, let me know!
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.26 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Terazul
Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.
Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.
And if you bought your character - then you also choise to buy that race and bloodline.
Srsly, the only people who support this bought their characters and want to change stuff because they are unahppy with what they choise to buy. If you want another race, name, bloodline whateve - train one.
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.12.26 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: Jay Wareth
Originally by: Alias 6322A
First: Can you currently pay for a changed portrait? (IIRC, the answer is no but I've never looked into it)
You can, but I have no idea if you can change your portrait to another race. (I doubt it.)
to the best of my knowledge, the current option in 'account management' allows you to swap portraits from any character to any character, so i don't see any reason why you couldn't 're-make' yourself with a picture from another race...
if i'm wrong about this, someone please, let me know!
from Portrait FAQ:
"3. Why does gender and bloodline have to match when swapping portraits?
As bloodline and gender define a lot about your character the portraits that are going to be swapped need to have same bloodline and gender. The swapping is only meant to fix elements you are not happy about with your original portrait creation, it is not meant for gender and ancestry changes. "
assumptions for choice of bloodline is gone. attributes are skills are effectively equal. unless we get to re-choose bloodline, we are forced to have what we don't want.
other option would be to allow more variety within bloodline. a lot of facial features are hard-coded and can't be modified through customization. while this may be fine from Lore point of view, it fails to satisfy player's expectations.
personally, i'm satisfied with Sebiestor new looks, but Vherokior leaves me wanting something else. try as i might, i can't get where i want it.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.26 10:54:00 -
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No
You get to re-make your portrait but you can't actually change who/what you are.
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2ool
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Posted - 2010.12.26 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:01:56
Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:00:49
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Originally by: Terazul
Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.
Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.
And if you bought your character - then you also choise to buy that race and bloodline.
Srsly, the only people who support this bought their characters and want to change stuff because they are unahppy with what they choise to buy. If you want another race, name, bloodline whateve - train one.
Point 1 - Fair enough, I'd agree with that.
Point 2 however - Have you tried the new generator? The point is a lot of us (I) chose our avatars based purely on aesthetics, and with the new generator the look of some bloodlines changes drastically, so that you cannot create anything even remotely like your original look.
For those that RP, we're not asking for a forced change lol, you can keep your current bloodline if it suits you, but those of us the created an avatar for a specific look want to be able to keep it... or at least something close.
p.s. I have never bought any characters. Also posted with the wrong char... should have been Kechanski, doh.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.12.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
No
You get to re-make your portrait but you can't actually change who/what you are.
portrait IS part of identity. CCP will be changing what we are, one way or the other.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2010.12.26 12:26:00 -
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I support change of bloodline and/or change of race with Incursion Part Three.
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Damien Darkthorne
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Posted - 2010.12.26 12:56:00 -
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You've got my vote for sure-they need to think this one thro VERY carefully or they will lose players for sure-if they can put together such a sophisticated character creator-giving us a bloodline change is simple surely-after all if you guys have been mucking about making & trashing new chars for the hell of it like I have-where on the start screen we choose gender/race/bloodline-surely the simplest thing to do is to treat us is if we're ALL NEW characters, so we ALL re-choose-gender/race/bloodline etc-SEEMPLES!! Most people will want to stay the same I'd imagine-especially if they give us enough options on appearance, but others like myself DEFINATLY would change-all bloodlines are now essentially the same with regard to attributes etc, from the start-new players will be fine, but older players will feel VERY annoyed/frustrated, when we've invested a LOT of time & effort into a particular character, then get ****ed of every time they have to look at a portrait that is simply not the person that know they are if you see what I mean-LISTEN CCP! Please!
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Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2010.12.26 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Darkthorne
You've got my vote for sure-they need to think this one thro VERY carefully or they will lose players for sure-if they can put together such a sophisticated character creator-giving us a bloodline change is simple surely-after all if you guys have been mucking about making & trashing new chars for the hell of it like I have-where on the start screen we choose gender/race/bloodline-surely the simplest thing to do is to treat us is if we're ALL NEW characters, so we ALL re-choose-gender/race/bloodline etc-SEEMPLES!! Most people will want to stay the same I'd imagine-especially if they give us enough options on appearance, but others like myself DEFINATLY would change-all bloodlines are now essentially the same with regard to attributes etc, from the start-new players will be fine, but older players will feel VERY annoyed/frustrated, when we've invested a LOT of time & effort into a particular character, then get ****ed of every time they have to look at a portrait that is simply not the person that know they are if you see what I mean-LISTEN CCP! Please!
not only does your post look like a big brick of text, you also did not select the "I support this idea" button.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.12.26 14:04:00 -
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Saxton Hale
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Posted - 2010.12.26 14:31:00 -
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You're using 'immersion' as an argument to support changing race or bloodline in order to look more l33t? Really?
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.12.26 14:38:00 -
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supported, and I'd go one step further and suggest not only doing this but allowing the changing of race, gender, and such as well, and, adding in the other races and bloodlines belonging to the various factions. Most people when they first made their character went with the that race/bloodline because of the minmaxing it allowed, and with the addition of neural remaps, and the new player changes. The stats we've chosen are effectively nothing but aesthetics, meaning there's no need to balance all the races against each other and more can just be added. Like, right now Nikita is ethnic Gallente with the miner background, and while she definitely has some Gallente in her, with her upbringing, and backstory, (she's a mutt, and was raised in Curse) it'd make more sense for her to at the very least be Immigrant ancestry perhaps going as far as becoming Sebiestor or Thukker.
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Nuhrii
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Posted - 2010.12.26 15:13:00 -
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I support this
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.12.26 15:25:00 -
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I am giving support to the idea!!!
this would be great so that we can actualy look like we want to and not like we must to...
ppl who start playing after this expansion can choose how they will look like in future and we older players are stuck with look that design team give us...
I hate now look how this my char will look like after expansion... its one ugly old man look... :/
and i think many ppl feel the same...
there is one old latin saying:
"De gustibus (et coloribus) non est disputandum"
rough ranslation: "ThereÆs no arguing about tastes and colors"
if old latins knew that what one person like other can hate... we can hate look of char that design team like...
so please let us choose how WE will look
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Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2010.12.26 17:03:00 -
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Just saw the new character creator and I'm reaaally regretting not being a lady character 
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The Condemned
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Posted - 2010.12.26 17:36:00 -
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Taliya Valkorva
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Posted - 2010.12.26 18:08:00 -
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If CCP wants to drastically alter the appearance of our characters, they better damn well give us the option to choose what they look like.
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Raven Darkthorne
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Posted - 2010.12.26 20:37:00 -
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Stop sweating so much-well I am at any rate-not sure how they will square this for people with no free char slots-but I read this today on the account management page
Important Information Regarding Character Portraits
EVE Online: Incursion will soon allow players to update their portraits using the new Carbon-based Character Creator. While the paid portrait swap service will remain available for those who still would like to swap a portrait prior to the expansion's release, we strongly recommend waiting for the expansion when such a change can be made free of charge.
If you have not yet seen what the new system has in store, we encourage you to read Torfi's blog, Introducing the Character Creator or to try out this amazing new feature first hand on Singularity, our public Test Server.
Hopefully this means our fears are groundless & our frustrated tears will dry! lol
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Isha's Tears
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Posted - 2010.12.26 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Darkthorne
Important Information Regarding Character Portraits
Hopefully this means our fears are groundless & our frustrated tears will dry! lol
I don¦t see the slightest indication that my suspicion is needless. They just say that swapping `old style` portraits isn¦t very good idea now we get new ones very soon.
Not a word on races or bloodlines and not in the threads where these concerns are voiced either; CCP and the CSM seem to ignore the topic thus far.
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Artemis Ahab
The Inf1dels
SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Ahab on 27/12/2010 00:54:59
Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Originally by: Raven Darkthorne
Important Information Regarding Character Portraits
I don¦t see the slightest indication that my suspicion is needless. They just say that swapping `old style` portraits isn¦t very good idea now we get new ones very soon.
Not a word on races or bloodlines and not in the threads where these concerns are voiced either; CCP and the CSM seem to ignore the topic thus far.
Agreed, it's just a warning to people wanting to swap pictures that they'll be creating new ones soon. Nothing to do with changing bloodlines or anything else. RD is just reading too much into it.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.12.27 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana
supported, and I'd go one step further and suggest not only doing this but allowing the changing of race, gender, and such as well, and, adding in the other races and bloodlines belonging to the various factions. Most people when they first made their character went with the that race/bloodline because of the minmaxing it allowed, and with the addition of neural remaps, and the new player changes. The stats we've chosen are effectively nothing but aesthetics, meaning there's no need to balance all the races against each other and more can just be added.
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.27 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
True enough. However...
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.
What you failed to consider is that, in the past, races and bloodlines had mechanical effects. This has changed. For those of us who chose specifically for the mechanical bonuses and NOT for aesthetic reasons or were unaware that there were such aesthetic differences in creation (something that is and was never mentioned to new players - until now, that is), we have essentially been saddled with a choice that no longer has any meaning in the sense of affecting actual gameplay.
Further complicating things is the simple fact that appearances have changed drastically even within the same bloodlines. What we get now may be completely, entirely different from what we got in the past, and this changes things considerably.
For these reasons, I believe allowing us to change bloodlines (if not race) would not be unwarranted. Everyone's essentially starting over when it comes out anyways, and it's not like there isn't lore to support drastic reconstructive surgery.
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Rylos Cenaturi
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.27 06:40:00 -
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I'm in favor of a change in bloodline although it might be a moot point. I believe somewhere down the line plastic surgery pods will be available in the station so you can change your appearance and who knows maybe sex as well.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2010.12.27 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
"De gustibus (et coloribus) non est disputandum"
Non, post mei loquore, "De gustibus et colum non disputandum est."
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Isha's Tears
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Posted - 2010.12.27 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rylos Cenaturi
I'm in favor of a change in bloodline although it might be a moot point. I believe somewhere down the line plastic surgery pods will be available in the station so you can change your appearance and who knows maybe sex as well.
That's the thing. "Somewhere down the line" in CCP's terms may be a 5-year project. The best we've got is "perhaps". It's the same as announcing Incarna in 2006 and see what we have now and how long it took them. Or removing learning skills.
That simply won't do if we're forced into new characters that don't look like want to look at all within 4 weeks. People who are very unhappy with the overhaul don't want to have to walk around in something they can't relate to for years.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.12.27 12:17:00 -
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Voting against.
You are re-modeling your character. I have re-created Siigari closely enough to look at her and say "Wow, that's Siigari!" You can do it too, if you give it some time.
You state that the problem is that you can't make your character match the way you look now. So you're going to take it one step further and take yourself out of that (pick any) race/bloodline/gender?
No way. CCP keeps rules in place and I really doubt they're going to break the immersion. You are who you are. Make yourself look as good as you can.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.12.27 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Voting against.
You are re-modeling your character. I have re-created Siigari closely enough to look at her and say "Wow, that's Siigari!" You can do it too, if you give it some time.
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have you tried Sebiestor or Vherokior? i would be quite impressed if you manage to match looks of old and new.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.12.27 13:59:00 -
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I'm really, really halfway about this.
On the one hand, it's a purely cosmetic thing, and bloodline isn't like race; All bloodline seems to influence is which NPC corp you find yourself in, especially given that attributes and such are all basically equal now. Also, some of the bloodline changes really are drastic visually. Heck, I'd consider going Civre myself.
But.. there's more to bloodline than just appearance. There's also the bloodline backstory. If you changed your bloodline, it'd also mean changing your ancestry.. in a way, that makes you a different character entirely. And I'm not really sure that the character creator isn't flexible enough as it is; You may not be able to recreate some of the weirder looking characters, but I don't think you're meant to, and I'm pretty sure that each new model is going to look closer to its old model than any other; I'm also pretty sure nobody looks more like old Deteis than new Deteis. There's also the added oddity of corp standings.
.. Oh, what the hell.
Supported.
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Lythara
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:23:00 -
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Absolutely supported. In 2006 I scrapped my original character and made this one Achura because, attribute-wise, it was clearly superior to other options at the time. Please allow us to finally select a character we find pleasing for aesthetic or story related reasons.
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Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:26:00 -
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CCP is already forcing us to change our physical identity with incursion. Bloodlines look different than what they used to look like 6 years ago. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to change our bloodline once.
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Seraphim000
Arkons of Myth
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:53:00 -
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Supported. If you're going to change the bloodlines' appearances enough that our characters are no longer recognizeable, then you may as well let us just switch bloodlines. I don't RP, and place no value on the story elements of my bloodline, so the only value it has to me is aesthetic.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.27 19:52:00 -
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Choosing min-max approach and then wanting to get to live on without the consequences when the opportunity presents itself .. shame on all of you!
Eve is consequence. No "ifs". No "buts". It is the reason it is worth playing for Goddess sake!
Supported on one condition, non-negotiable:
Clone vat responsible for the transmorgrification is unable to process the dual-DNA strands correctly and includes a leftover of the old in new.
Example: Matari -> Caldari = Caldari with oddly placed tattoo, dreadlocks, etc.
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Blastfizzle
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:52:00 -
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Supported.
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Amae Duri
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:37:00 -
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Signed.
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Skavirr
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Posted - 2010.12.28 23:07:00 -
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Ytamii Arval
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Posted - 2010.12.29 03:12:00 -
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No.
I am a role player, and will not change bloodlines. If I am no longer allowed the correct racial appearance for this alt, I will scuttle my characters and close my account.
(yes you can have my stuff if i'm forced to leave)
--signed, non-asian Ytamii Arval
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Lazarus 2010
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Posted - 2010.12.29 08:20:00 -
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Supported.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.29 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: 2ool
Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:01:56
Edited by: 2ool on 26/12/2010 12:00:49
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Originally by: Terazul
Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.
Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.
And if you bought your character - then you also choise to buy that race and bloodline.
Srsly, the only people who support this bought their characters and want to change stuff because they are unahppy with what they choise to buy. If you want another race, name, bloodline whateve - train one.
Point 1 - Fair enough, I'd agree with that.
Point 2 however - Have you tried the new generator? The point is a lot of us (I) chose our avatars based purely on aesthetics, and with the new generator the look of some bloodlines changes drastically, so that you cannot create anything even remotely like your original look.
For those that RP, we're not asking for a forced change lol, you can keep your current bloodline if it suits you, but those of us the created an avatar for a specific look want to be able to keep it... or at least something close.
p.s. I have never bought any characters. Also posted with the wrong char... should have been Kechanski, doh.
Look, i am unhappy about the whole walking in stations thing to begin with, with the whole mini games in stations and the 9 yards. People inside stations do not contrbute to pvp, and fo me, eve is about pvp (the last embers of it as it becomes facebook online). But people want avatars and constumes and pets and all that crap. . .
Needless to say, I have had this avatar, and have identified people by their avatars for 7 years now. . .this change i am not looking forward to - so the rest of you all have to suck up and take it too and blame the wow playrs or something.
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Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.29 16:26:00 -
[62]
There's a lot of bloodlines whose options are now restricted beyond what was possible in the old editor.
Either bring them back or allow us a change of bloodline!
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Certified Household Sweeping Consulting
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Posted - 2010.12.29 18:22:00 -
[63]
If we are not able to pick bloodline in new creator at least it should be possible to make your character look similar to old one. For example, it should be obvious that changing look from european to asian or other way around is too remarkable to be acceptable change without option to re-pick bloodline.
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Sir Rush
Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:15:00 -
[64]
Why the hell not?
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.29 23:41:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Choosing min-max approach and then wanting to get to live on without the consequences when the opportunity presents itself .. shame on all of you!
Eve is consequence. No "ifs". No "buts". It is the reason it is worth playing for Goddess sake!
So, what, choosing race+bloodline for aesthetic reasons automatically puts others on a higher pedestal than those who chose for mechanical benefits? You realize what you're saying here, right?
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons. The point here is that they removed the mechanical benefit as a choice, meaning it no longer is a choice to begin with, but those of us who chose for that reason are stuck with it even though it is no longer a valid option. I don't much like being forced to stick with an invalid option, thank you very much.
Realize that all other choices we make in the game do not live with us for the rest of our playing lives. Ships can be replaced. Isk can be regained. Race and bloodline, however, cannot be changed, ever, unless you start over from the very beginning.
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Look, i am unhappy about the whole walking in stations thing to begin with, with the whole mini games in stations and the 9 yards. People inside stations do not contrbute to pvp, and fo me, eve is about pvp (the last embers of it as it becomes facebook online). But people want avatars and constumes and pets and all that crap. . .
Needless to say, I have had this avatar, and have identified people by their avatars for 7 years now. . .this change i am not looking forward to - so the rest of you all have to suck up and take it too and blame the wow playrs or something.
Oh, gawd, this is lulzy. This is just far too lulzy.
I mean, seriously?
This is hilarious. This is the EXACT same argument people had against the removal of learning skills.
"I put up with it, so YOU CAN TOO!"
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2010.12.30 01:19:00 -
[66]
+1 for optional bloodline change.
If not for Incursion Mk. III, then at least for Incarna.
Some people decided on their bloodline based on looks, others based on starting skills. Both systems have now changed, and we're getting full body avatars.
People deserve a chance to change based on this.
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Sahnsa
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Posted - 2010.12.30 04:49:00 -
[67]
Supported. You CANNOT make a Vherokior character look the same in the new creator. It's impossible. I chose my bloodline for aesthetics, and now that aesthetic has been pulled out from under me.
Need bloodline changes.
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Aleph Xi
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Posted - 2010.12.30 04:50:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Aleph Xi on 30/12/2010 04:50:29
Supporting with my second account.
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Avila Cracko
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Posted - 2010.12.30 11:32:00 -
[69]
I support this
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Wercheg
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Posted - 2010.12.30 21:43:00 -
[70]
As Vherokior, I can only agree.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.12.30 21:44:00 -
[71]
Supported
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I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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Wiggyjiggyjed
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Posted - 2010.12.31 03:31:00 -
[72]
Supported
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2010.12.31 04:59:00 -
[73]
So far as I understand (I have not actually tried the character generator yet) the new char creator is like the old one in that a specific set of looks (hairstyles, tattoos, etc) are allowed based on bloodlines and race. While changing race would certainly be off given the nature of skills, I think the option to change blood-lines is much more reasonable.
The people who wish to have more options available don't want a racial change, but they do want all of the options of their race available again as the new creator is similar for some bloodlines and drastically different for others. I agree that it would be unfair if the creator dealt me a specific set of looks that aren't remotely what I liked about my character's bloodline in the ORIGINAL creator.
Detractors of this fail to see that the two creators are very different in many ways. Yes, you need to try it out and see all the options available. However, I imagine there won't be isolated cases of people crying foul that they are being forced (which is the right word) into using a specific set of looks based on a decision made however long ago for an entirely different creator engine.
The option to change your bloodline in order to access all of the features of your race is reasonable and sound. They no longer directly affect game-play mechanics. By giving this option, RP's can choose their old settings and maintain their game-play while more aesthetically driven characters can get their choice as well.
I don't support full racial change. Train a new character in that case, the game never has and hopefully never will have a racial change option. This keeps the races defined and more valuable as an identifying feature of a player.
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.12.31 16:27:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 31/12/2010 16:30:21
+1 (but...)
There are valid reasons to permit such an option, not the least of which is where (RP) a character's history crosses racial lines. I am the daughter of two Matari parants, but I have two half-sisters who aren't. (Mum got around a bit - once with a Gallente, once with a Caldari. What can I say? She was having fun!) and so although lines had to be chosen when creating those characters it would be really great, now that we are moving towards a whole-body experience instead of a little 80px icon, that I can better reflect that history because it now matters where it really didn't before.
I'm less interested in the pure 'change bloodline' as in a 'permit changes from the closed definition it currently allows.
IZ
ps. Tomorrow is my fifth EVE birthday! yay!
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Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2010.12.31 16:37:00 -
[75]
I had a Gallente toon, the first day I started playing EVE. You know, one of those characters with deep hollow, ogre-like eyes. :P Then I saw a Caldari Achura, and immediately recycled the old one, as the Achura were sooo pretty! :)
So, long story short, yes please, let us choose bloodlines! The more we can choose from, the better!
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.01.01 08:47:00 -
[76]
+1
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2011.01.01 23:17:00 -
[77]
I selected my race entirely on aesthetics not on anything else and as I don't like the new one at all so supported
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Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.01 23:56:00 -
[78]
Supported.
Considering that our characters are transhuman clone-hoppers anyway, it seems silly that we have to stick to only one racial face.
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Soden Rah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.02 00:17:00 -
[79]
I have been playing with the new avatar creator and am probably going to be happy enough with the results to not need this. BUT...
The old avatar's were just static images and the choices we made about appearence only effected a tiny little pic at the side of the screen. And for those who have been around a while the race/bloodline atributes were probably the bigest factor in decideing what race blooodline to go with. As those no longer apply, and for anyone wanting to use incarna the chriteria we would use for choosing bloodline, race, or even gender, are now totally different.
Couple that with the differences in appearence between old and new I think its reasonable to be offered the option to change.
For these and all of the above reasons I support this.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.02 06:36:00 -
[80]
If nothing else, keep the current bloodline for the "lol your choices have consequences" crowd and let us have plastic surgery to assume the appearance of a new race.
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Ruairi iliffe
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:44:00 -
[81]
Supported
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Princess Vera
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:56:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Princess Vera on 04/01/2011 10:56:47
++++++++1
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....
Certainly it was, but what this is about is people wanting the cake AND eating it .. no one, not a one, has said so much as a peep until now.
Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach .. since a collective shift of this magnitude in personal preferences is unheard of the only thing that remains is that it is opportunistic garbage and should be treated as such.
You chose to buy a speedy car with room for 1 and now that a car-pool commuter lane is opening up you suddenly want the MPV as it is better at getting where you need to go .. *******s I say.
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Kyo Haku
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:28:00 -
[84]
Supported. Bloodline or race change, please.
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Veraxus
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:05:00 -
[85]
Supported
Bloodlines do not matter anymore, when it comes to game mechanics. Since neural remaps have been enabled, the only factor of choosing specific bloodline is in fact its appearance. Why would the ppl suffer from being ugly?
My main character is Amarr Khanid. I chose this bloodline because it looked imo the best of all 3. Now they are the worst-looking ones. Where is their long, straight hair and cunning gaze, that made them look so evil? After 4 hours spend with the new character creator I can't achieve even a half of that feeling :(
To All those who are against because of roleplay issues: noone will force you to change your bloodline!!! The choices we made in the past should't affect the future in the way we cannot control. When creating our character we accepted the way it looked, and now - noone asks for our permission - we are forced to look as someone else wants us to, opposing to the choice we made the day our character was created.
That's why I think we should all get a free bloodline change
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Corian Teranos
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:46:00 -
[86]
it would simply be easier to take into account interracial couples and genetic contamination and just enable all traits in the creator lord knows with how often the races interact by now most genetic traits would have crossed over even if they are recessive. simple heredity.
but change of bloodline would be a close second.
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Snowbell
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:31:00 -
[87]
As all our current appearances are more or less shuffled into new options in the editor, let us shuffle our bloodlines accordingly to find a new "best" portrait that suits our preferences.
I don't see why not.
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Hiram Alexander
Holdfast Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.06 18:16:00 -
[88]
HD Character Creation Videos -
http://www.youtube.com/user/LexHiram?feature=mhsn |
Turelus
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2011.01.07 11:51:00 -
[89]
I'll support this for what it's worth.
I'm not a massive fan of having everyone I know suddenly change race/bloodline/gender but seeing how much they have changed for each bloodlines I understand the need for change.
We took our current characters based on the looks we liked, now they have changed some bloodlines so drastically the looks we wanted just can't be achieved any more, so yeah we should be given the option to reassess our new looks.
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.07 16:51:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....
Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach
Complete bull****. The only indication choosing the min/max approach is of is that aesthetics were slightly under the min/max approach in importance. REMEMBER, you could only choose ONE - it was either min/max, or aesthetics. Some people get lucky and get one that coincides with both. That's just luck and has nothing to do with actual decision-making on the player's part (as the given statistics are completely arbitrary in the first place).
I personally chose based on stats because THERE WAS NO RACIAL APPEARANCE PREVIEW. I wasn't even aware that there were differences in appearance between the races. Only NOW, with the new creator, do we actually see the different looks before we can commit (not to mention, again, there are no longer any stats).
Your fatalistic "Clearly you chose one because it was FAR ABOVE THE OTHER" ideal is more indicative of personal issues than anything to do with anyone else's decision-making.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.12 11:34:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....
Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach
And anyway: how can you distinguish between people who picked a bloodline for looks and those who picked them for stats? The female Achura has quite a popular look but they also had the best starter attributes in the "old days".
So just give everyone a free bloodline change?
Still waiting for any CCP/CSM imput .....
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Feiryred
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Posted - 2011.01.12 18:28:00 -
[92]
Seeing as CCP has not bothered to deign us with any kind of reply, we can read a lot into their silence, however we DO get a free char portrait transfer(go look! I speak no lies lol)-so create a disposable alt then transfer portrait-then you get the avatar you want! Pain in the ass tho-we should get to choose!
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klyeme
The Mind's Eye
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:42:00 -
[93]
I would say for any release pertaining to the character creater we should be able to change ourselves again.
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Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:08:00 -
[94]
I thought we were promised walking in station was going to be opt in (yeah right). I want to keep my existing portrait buttmunches!!
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EOH Sergiiy
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Posted - 2011.01.18 19:18:00 -
[95]
Yes to ability to change bloodlines.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2011.01.18 20:46:00 -
[96]
Supported
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Ashley Dinova
Ammold Rat Eradication Unit
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Posted - 2011.01.18 20:47:00 -
[97]
Yes please... I didn't choose to be chinese
At least give us a chance to change Bloodlines once.
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Jurietto
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2011.01.18 20:48:00 -
[98]
Yeah, ccp, gives us a chance to change it.
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Five 0ne
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Posted - 2011.01.18 20:57:00 -
[99]
supported!!!
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Mijano
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:06:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 26/12/2010 10:47:19
Hello all,
As we all know, the next upcoming (third) release of Incursions will bring us the new portrait creator, later to be used as 3D character in Incarna.
The problem that a lot of people are facing is that the new options often don't enable you to make a character that even remotely resembles the face you picked when you made your character. With the fourth installment of the editor, options are even more restricted than they were before and a lot of hair colours, eye colours, hairstyles have been taken away and we're often forced into looks we don't want.
Now I don't know if CCP realizes it, but for a lot of people the looks of your character are very important. If I pick a space orc I don't want to be forced into looking like an Eldar with the next installment, or if I pick a Porsche I don't want to be forced to pick a Ford because the developer makes some graphical changes. It greatly takes away from the immersion and ability to identify with your capsuleer.
So what I want to propose is a free one-time option to change bloodlines with the 3rd installment of Incursions.
I can understand changing races will have impact on your racial skills, but bloodlines won't have any impact whatsoever since the differences are purely cosmetic. Nonetheless, if we'd get an optional racial remap that would even be better, of course!!
Thanks for reading.
Edit (thanks Jagga Spikes): CCP allows for portrait swaps but they have to be of the same race, bloodline and gender. Which isn't helpful at all in this case.
from Portrait swap FAQ:
"3. Why does gender and bloodline have to match when swapping portraits?
As bloodline and gender define a lot about your character the portraits that are going to be swapped need to have same bloodline and gender. The swapping is only meant to fix elements you are not happy about with your original portrait creation, it is not meant for gender and ancestry changes."
I agree, although I would also like the option to change race.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:10:00 -
[101]
Supported
I've posted at legnth on general discussion but there are very real issues those of us with darker skins stand up for in real life, and we also stand up for our relatives and our children.
The original editor wasn't anything perfect, but if we tried hard enough and adjusted the lighting choices and shows, covered our eyes with glasses (or just wore a hood ! lol) a person could come closer to some third world peoples of the world than you do now. With the changes in the editor, it might take a different blood line to even attempt looking something darker and we should at least be given that chance if accomodating more third world human looks isn't possible.
Certainly a step backwards from something very meh before doesn't feel right.. a choice of a change in race is would at least be a token statment that they care about some customers feelings about the issue.
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Callandra Tyrol
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:12:00 -
[102]
Quote:
CCP is already forcing us to change our physical identity with incursion. Bloodlines look different than what they used to look like 6 years ago. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to change our bloodline once.
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NatteFrost85
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:23:00 -
[103]
Supported
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"Hear hear, a name isn't going to help you do better.
signed,
Major Awesome McWinsalot von Popularwithzeladies."
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Nebarus
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:26:00 -
[104]
Supported.
When I first loaded up the new char editor, I was kind of excited.
Having looked at the options I had to choose from.. I'm quite underwhelmed....
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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SweetPickles
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:58:00 -
[105]
Supported
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Nebarus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:06:00 -
[106]
Originally by: SweetPickles
Supported
Don't forget to click the support option on your post... Otherwise it doens't count.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Uzii Jay
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:10:00 -
[107]
It boils down to CCP having 24 combinations of characters to be made, and only giving 1 single combination (Race/Gender/Bloodline) to their loyal paying customers, whereas new recruits who may not even make it to the subscription phase are being given all 24.
An utter disgrace.
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:24:00 -
[108]
ye i wanna hav access to the full range of characters not just one, also a gender change could be possible aswell seing as many names in the game arnt gender specific.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:30:00 -
[109]
+1
Where were you people as I started a thread about this a year ago?
Now that its out everyone wants a change
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Misha Mosqito
Exanimo Inc
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:37:00 -
[110]
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Seranaso
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:48:00 -
[111]
I support this too. I have four accounts and I'm generally satisfied with two of the mains from each account I have a Khanid and a Vherokior alt whom I was quite unsatisfied with regarding the potential facial mixes.
I'll freely admit to being shallow, and likewise I'll admit that in a game like this your face is likely by far one of the least important aspects of the game, but if I'm going to take the time to create a character I want that character to at least be as close to my ideal for that character as possible, and the current models for the Khanid and Vherokior are very unsuitable.
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Mallory Million
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:22:00 -
[112]
Supported
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Physsthpok
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Posted - 2011.01.19 05:27:00 -
[113]
definitely SUPPORT!
having multi-year faces shoved into some tiny box (limited by skills/time/money) without some recourse sucks the big one.
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Sepheir Sepheron
FL4SH GITZ
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Posted - 2011.01.19 07:27:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Well that's one vote to start with!
ORKS IS BEST!
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Sonya Smith
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Posted - 2011.01.19 09:14:00 -
[115]
Definitely yes. Not everyone seems to understand it, but these kind of details are very important for some. When it's about a game they play and pay for voluntarily, their opinion should be taken into account and not criticized for being too picky or something. Especially as allowing this would raise no issues with balance or game mechanics. Also, it's not just the portrait - this was simply a test for the character creation system that will be used once we can walk around, and then such details will be even more important!
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Kholis Volgier
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Posted - 2011.01.19 09:47:00 -
[116]
Hello everyone,
I have to agree with this overall. Now, I don't think folks should be just changing races or bloodline just to be able to do it, but there are some very legitimate reasons to do so currently, and to be fair, I'm not harmed in any way if someone does want to change their race or bloodline for no reason whatsoever.
When I chose my main originally, I wanted to play Gallente, but hated the way they looked. But then I found Vhorokhior (pardon me if I misspelled that). I liked the description, and was able to make a character that looked like a native american. I thought that was pretty cool. My wife looked over all the races and chose the same as she was able to create a really nice looking character portrait, that kinda looks like a sort of gypsy (Roma if you prefer). Now, we can both certainly make acceptable and even attractive characters. However, we can't make ones that are close to our old ones. Heck, my wife can't make a character that looks even remotely similar. Given that, why not be able to choose what we like best?
New players get to look over everything and choose the one that looks best to them from among all the bloodlines. The existing playerbase gets to modify the bloodline they chose long ago. Problem is, many folks chose them for appearance and now that appearance is (sometimes radically) different. Since there are no mechanical benefits of being one bloodline or another, why not give the option to change once? I know it'd be a pain to code, but what isn't a pain to code? :/
Anyway, this idea has my firm support.
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The Bismarckian
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Posted - 2011.01.19 10:12:00 -
[117]
I fully support this proposal. Also, I don't have any problem giving CCP an extra $10 for this. As it is now, I can't see many people paying for the portrait swap just to fix a smile, or change their hair color. CCP is missing out on possible income here.
When all male character portraits except the Brutor, and Amar looked feminine I chose to make a flashy looking female Gallente. With this new character creator the range of possibilities has jumped immensely. I would like the chance to reboot my character in the new system even if I have to pay for it.
The argument on the portrait swap page is weak in the first place. If someone changes their looks it doesn't erase the trail of wrongdoing they may have done in game. Moreover, this is the future. If your prideful Amarian CEO decides to turn into a chick with purple hair who gives a damn. It sounds like it enhances roleplay to me!
Get this done CCP!
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Nebarus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.19 11:17:00 -
[118]
So.. It's been 4 pages of supported, and still not even a CSM response.
Great!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Levi Alexander
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Posted - 2011.01.19 12:36:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Levi Alexander on 19/01/2011 12:41:18
Edited by: Levi Alexander on 19/01/2011 12:40:53
Completely in agreement. I'd propose a full, one-time change of race and bloodline, there are no balancing issues involved here, this shouldn't be such a problem. I believe the only difference would be some minor attributes in the starter ship.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.01.19 13:34:00 -
[120]
Supported.
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De'Veldrin
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.19 13:46:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Anne Arqui
Edited by: Anne Arqui on 25/12/2010 11:50:29
Yessssssss!
Vherorior are unrecognizable in the new editor! I'd like to have a total remake, even another race would be fine!
This. FFS, I'll even take Seibestor instead. I'll stay Minmatar just let me change to something that remotely looks like I used to.
--Vel
I'm more of a care-badger. |
Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:16:00 -
[122]
where are my tatoos? where are my implants?
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Varrinox
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:20:00 -
[123]
Signed, would be a fantastic idea. even if limited to amount of changes per so many months
either way good idea
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:25:00 -
[124]
oh yes
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Seraphim000
Gallente
Arkons of Myth
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:28:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Seraphim000 on 19/01/2011 18:28:18
still ignoring us, eh?
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Akiko Hanari
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:24:00 -
[126]
I don't have a particular problem with my current choices, but it would definitely be nice for other people.
Also might have the bonus of getting rid of the thousands of Archura alts.
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Darrigaaz
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:53:00 -
[127]
I fully support a one time change to race/bloodline. When I started playing a year ago, all new characters started with the same skills/attributes/isk. The only reason I picked the race/bloodline I did, was because I liked the appearance.
I spent around 6 hours making faces from all the different races/bloodlines before finally deciding on the one I did. Now, overnight, he's turned completely asian and after spending 3 hours yesterday on trying to make him look non-asian, I had to shut off the computer and take a break.
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Gerrards
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:05:00 -
[128]
Yes to race change.
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Aneril
Caldari
Bohemian Veterans
DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:14:00 -
[129]
Nay to free bloodline change. You can not change who you are.
But it would be interesting to have possibility to buy "cosmetic surgery" to make you look like different race/bloodline. |
Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:27:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Aneril
Nay to free bloodline change. You can not change who you are.
But it would be interesting to have possibility to buy "cosmetic surgery" to make you look like different race/bloodline.
Which is basibly changing bloodlines? The whole point of it is so we can look different.
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Aneril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:45:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Stegas Tyrano
Originally by: Aneril
Nay to free bloodline change. You can not change who you are.
But it would be interesting to have possibility to buy "cosmetic surgery" to make you look like different race/bloodline.
Which is basibly changing bloodlines? The whole point of it is so we can look different.
Change of such magnitude schouldn¦t be available free of cost IMHO nor almost mandatory. Like in the real world. You are not satisfied with your look? Well bad luck, but you can always have plastic surgery to help you with that.
On other hand there could be other way to make it work within eve-world logic. Simply to put changes in your new clone, so you can change your race/bloodline as you wish but at cost of loosing your current clone along with all the implants and jumpclones.
In principia i just hate the possibility of free race/bloodline change, just because someone does not like how does some race/bloodline looks like, without any other backroud reasons and plausible explanation how to do so within rules of the game-world.
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Timothy Ducati
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Posted - 2011.01.20 00:40:00 -
[132]
--Signed
Although I'm satisfied with my bloodline, it would be nice to give people the option to change their bloodline, since the new character creation is so different from the old one.
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Delencia Lakat
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Posted - 2011.01.20 02:51:00 -
[133]
Voting to let us change it.
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ShadowLZ
We See Dead People
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:09:00 -
[134]
I personally don't want to change my bloodline but I can see people wanting too. There shouldn't be such a big issue with it, it doesn't change gameplay at all, and ccp already scrapped our old identities.
Entire roleplay bios scrapped. I would go as far as to say that CCP doesn't like the RP community(I don't RP). A while back they nerfed the bio character limit, then they nerfed the note character limit, which cut some stories in half. Now they take something that, to an RPer, is one of the most important things in the game. Their Character. Or I guess the representation of their character.
Hell if I had my way, i would allow you to have a 2nd(mixed) bloodline. Why cant a Brutor have a kid with a Caldari? I would think it would be quite common among the new hipster pod pilots.
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Straylight IX
Caldari
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:33:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Darrigaaz
I fully support a one time change to race/bloodline. When I started playing a year ago, all new characters started with the same skills/attributes/isk. The only reason I picked the race/bloodline I did, was because I liked the appearance.
I'm in the same boat as you. I started my character in 2007 and the only reason for selecting the bloodline I chose then was for the starting advantage because picking a bloodline changed the stats and the skills you were given to start with.
Also, I didn't check with other Caldari bloodlines, but why did CCP remove the long hair from Civire they had when testing on Sisi? :/
I wouldn't mind a gender change either, for silly reasons. CCP seems a little sexist right now because female characters seem to have better features; or maybe I'm the only one who notices?
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Spirulina Laxissima
TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:08:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Spirulina Laxissima on 20/01/2011 08:13:20
Originally by: Anne Arqui
Vhero[k]ior are unrecognizable in the new editor! I'd like to have a total remake, even another race would be fine!
Exactly! How do you get to:
<---This from This ?! (same as in sig)
I was under the impression that Minmatar were modeled after all tribal societies on Terra.
I thought it was cool how european-features could be part of them. Not surprising actually, as the Hungarians can attest to. 
How did I interpret this?
Minmatar means heavy-metal, tribal-clothing/tattoos, Norse ship-names, etc...
All in all we are talking about pockets of Terran colonies that were trapped on unfriendly planets, plunged into darkness after the collapse of the EVE-gate, but still at minimum an entire planet (Matar). Not to mention the enslavement, and subsequent slave-breeding programs by the Amarr.
Minmatar doesn't really mean 'one race', but rather several different races trapped together, working together, surviving together as many tribes united under a Republic.
So I'd bet that there would be several Vherokior running around with slightly european-features.
EDIT to add: I'd rather support more character features than actual bloodline-change.
I'm actually tied to my character's back story.
Supported because there needs to be some kind of option.
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Incarna be dammed! |
Mocam
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:52:00 -
[137]
If this had been done with the release, I could see it. Post release it's a bigger issue. I don't agree with radically changing every aspect at a whim but I do think that it should have been made possible with the update.
As has been stated, many chose their characters for the looks but long before that - you had "racial bonuses" that directly effected the abilities of characters along the lines of what they wanted to do in the game.
Allowing them to diversify their appearances 1 time, that had no other effects, would work.
It would actually "fix" some RP issues - "I like that groups mind-set. I needed this groups abilities when I started". Those types can fix the problem.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:56:00 -
[138]
Loving the whiny racism in this thread. Asians? In my spaceships? This is an outrage!
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Natalie S Caladan
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:22:00 -
[139]
Of course I support this. Whatever the reasons people want to change their race or bloodline, it's only fair that with a new character creator, people get another chance to choose what they think looks best to them.
My car dealer doesn't paint my black car red because there's new car paints (and no, the fact that I can pick a whole palette from scarlet red to burgundy red doesn't change that), it's not that it's better or worse, it's just a matter of personal preference. It should be respected and a lot of bloodlines are totally different now.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:15:00 -
[140]
No.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:16:00 -
[141]
+1 Especially since Race/Bloodline has no impact on gameplay anymore.
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Othran
Ad Infernum
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:38:00 -
[142]
No.
If it is offered then I really hope its chargeable, just like changing a portrait was.
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CyanAngel
Steel Talon Initiative
Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:18:00 -
[143]
Edited by: CyanAngel on 20/01/2011 11:18:21
As some one who has had the same char since I made him in 2005 I'd welcome a change.
Strategic choices I made when it mattered should be free to change when the developer renders them pointless. We see this all the time when a ship is nerfed/fixed/redesigned/watever. Players will switch to whatever ship suits them after the change.
Also where is my blue plastic shirt and hair?? http://evefaces.com/?CyanAngel
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triplleboy
Caldari
Xtreme Influence
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:57:00 -
[144]
yes, make an remape just like the atributes, would't be to hard i gues!
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:10:00 -
[145]
No.
You made your choice now stick with it.
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Strawhat Husky
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:15:00 -
[146]
I approve this!
I started back in 2009 and then we had these old portraits which looked rather 'outdated' or clumpsy. Back in the old days you didn't choose a certain race/bloodline/ancestory for it's looks, but you chose what was best for your first ever career in EVE.
Now they released the new character revamp, making it an important part of the game with it's realistic looks. It looks awesome and for that reason people care how they look now. It is not fair for these people to have chosen a race in the old days and let them stick to that race/bloodline/ancestory forever, keeping the reasons above in mind, after these amazing changes to your looks.
For me this means I'm a negro. I DO NOT WANT TO BE ONE. I chose the brutor bloodline for its stats not the looks, because the portrait in the old days meant nothing. Heck, in the old days you could only dream of your character getting out your ship someday and meet up with other people. Today however, the portrait has something that's really cool and is WORTH showing off. This makes me feel frustrated, because I can't be the race/bloodline I want to be.
We should be free changing the either the race or bloodline or ancestory we are in now. Nowadays the choice is more aesthetic dependant rather than stats dependant, like in the old days. Having made a choice in the past and punishing customers for an unforseen change years later in the game is not fair.
So I approve Jenny Cameron in this going motion.
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Ackwell
Caldari
Tiera Javelin Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:22:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Ackwell on 20/01/2011 12:22:21
Originally by: Straylight IX
Also, I didn't check with other Caldari bloodlines, but why did CCP remove the long hair from Civire they had when testing on Sisi?
From the day one in EVE Civires are stated as strict militaristic people who prefer short hair. Having some damned Civire hippies running around smoking ganja would just kill the immersion for me so THANK YOU CCP for not giving Civire the long hair option... It is the same with other Caldari. The society is strict and militaristic so it is good for the immersion to limit use of long hair.
"Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence, and even had to surrender their home planet to their hated enemies, the Gallenteans."
"As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile."
Yeah, no hippies allowed :)
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Daemeon Fyral
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:27:00 -
[148]
Voting in support of a bloodline change.
Like alot of people back when I started the bloodline you chose had a real in game impact. ever since they removed that and I've learned more about the lore of the game I've been wishing that I could go and change my bloodline to get the appearance that I wanted. of course back then it wasn't as big of an issue for me since I had managed to create an avatar that I at least somewhat liked.
With the new character creation though I havn't been able to do that. even after spending hours playing with options nothing quite seems right and I don't think that we should be forced to "settle" for an avatar that we don't like based solely on decisions made years ago using an avatar creation method that has since been replaced.
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Scott Ryder
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:28:00 -
[149]
Supported
I dont really want to look like a Japanese office worker just because I am khanid. Khanid used to look good.
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OblivionDawn
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:29:00 -
[150]
Edited by: OblivionDawn on 20/01/2011 12:29:46
My smug sense of superiority is impossible to recreate without one of those Amarr hoods. Now my Khanid just looks like some Asian guy.
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Buzzy Blue
Down Girls Show Entertainment
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:36:00 -
[151]
Signed !
I'm not Happy with the actual look of female Intaki bloodline..
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:39:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
No.
You made your choice now stick with it.
choice was based on benefits and restrictions. now all benefits are gone or turned into restrictions. that's called "being railroaded" in gamers speak and IS NOT appreciated!
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Lhyrden Ravendrake
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:45:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Lhyrden Ravendrake on 20/01/2011 12:45:46
Supported
Character creator is great but some new change have totaly changed the bloodline (Vherokior & Intaki)
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Chinzon
Gallente
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:54:00 -
[154]
No.
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Wicked Freak
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:44:00 -
[155]
Sorry but to me there is a big difference.I would rather just keep my old portrait.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:48:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
choice was based on benefits and restrictions. now all benefits are gone or turned into restrictions. that's called "being railroaded" in gamers speak and IS NOT appreciated!
And those who made characters after the removal of racial attribute traits have to suffer along?
U mad ?
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.20 14:52:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Cathy Drall
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
choice was based on benefits and restrictions. now all benefits are gone or turned into restrictions. that's called "being railroaded" in gamers speak and IS NOT appreciated!
And those who made characters after the removal of racial attribute traits have to suffer along?
U mad ?
just mildly annoyed, thank you for asking. suffer how? everyone should have an option to change bloodline, if they want to.
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Shaabe
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:33:00 -
[158]
Signed!
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Commander Galm
Federal Intelligence Center
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:41:00 -
[159]
/signed
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Betty Bigboobs
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:22:00 -
[160]
No.
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Aclim
Born In Jungle
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:13:00 -
[161]
/signed
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Onyxirian
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:34:00 -
[162]
signed
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Tessen
Stellar Tide
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:43:00 -
[163]
Impossible to make something with Intaki female.
+1
Ideas for a complete Bounty Hunter profession sytem. |
Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:17:00 -
[164]
Yes, please. Not at all happy with my probing alt's new look. (She's that one asian-looking Minmatar bloodline that was not at all asian-looking before.)
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Pachink0
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:50:00 -
[165]
i picked caldari monk to look like an opportunistic business man.
now my only choices result in a square jawed meatstick that vaguely resembles something asian
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Eve Orwell
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:35:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Eve Orwell on 21/01/2011 00:34:52
supported for my vherokior alt (im fine with my intaki female tbh)
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S'Rau
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Posted - 2011.01.21 07:41:00 -
[167]
Signed
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Hydraulic Jack
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Posted - 2011.01.21 08:32:00 -
[168]
I got transferred in one piece (miss my Caldari mike & doohickeys tho).
Verh happy with the new chargen, but I understand that the other bloodlines might not. (they got screwed royally, where we just lost the black-hair option  )
So I support more options if not necessarily a bloodline change. (unless everyone converts to Caldari!  )
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Joshawu Minden
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Posted - 2011.01.21 08:42:00 -
[169]
I'm against it.
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S'Ryel
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Posted - 2011.01.21 18:23:00 -
[170]
+1
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Serra Polaris
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:57:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Serra Polaris on 22/01/2011 11:57:52
Originally by: Ackwell
Edited by: Ackwell on 20/01/2011 12:22:21
Originally by: Straylight IX
Also, I didn't check with other Caldari bloodlines, but why did CCP remove the long hair from Civire they had when testing on Sisi?
From the day one in EVE Civires are stated as strict militaristic people who prefer short hair. Having some damned Civire hippies running around smoking ganja would just kill the immersion for me so THANK YOU CCP for not giving Civire the long hair option... It is the same with other Caldari. The society is strict and militaristic so it is good for the immersion to limit use of long hair.
"Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence, and even had to surrender their home planet to their hated enemies, the Gallenteans."
"As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile."
Yeah, no hippies allowed :)
The only thing I don't like about the character creation process is the limiting of hair styles, clothing, etc. What if I want to RP a Caldari hippy exile? It just doesn't make sense to limit those things. The other thing I don't like is the age restriction. As Amarr/Amarr I can only be old, which doesn't make any sense. I understand each race has it's own backstory and ideals but they shouldn't be imposed on everyone.
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Taisuke Black
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:03:00 -
[172]
Supported because this issue needs fixing, but I don't think bloodline changes are the answer.
I think CCP just needs to add more content over time, such as more varied hair styles and clothing, like they probably already have plans to do.
However, what they may not be planning to do is increase the amount of variety within bloodlines. I don't think it would be a bad thing if it was possible to create 2 characters of the same race, different bloodlines and make them look completely identical. Now I don't mean open up all options to all bloodlines, but a bit more overlap would allow people more options when they're being creative.
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Solaris Avanger
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:56:00 -
[173]
suported! i have this exact problem
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Shu'Kwe Wee'Tam
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.01.23 12:40:00 -
[174]
/signed |
Aion Amarra
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:43:00 -
[175]
Supporting this so hard.
I dislike the new Sebiestors. >: |
Zarutha
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:18:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Zarutha on 23/01/2011 17:18:43
/signed
I too dislike the Sebiestor's look.
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Thune Vorpal
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:20:00 -
[177]
/signed
I agree the Sebiestors are the worst, but there are flaws in other bloodlines, if there are no racial stats, what does it matter? Just allow us to change the bloodline.
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FLINX 0220
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:21:00 -
[178]
/signed
Please allow a bloodline change, the only thing is could mess up is RP, and is that really that important? |
Kazrael Starseeker
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Posted - 2011.01.23 17:22:00 -
[179]
/signed
I would not have picked my bloodline a year ago if i knew what it would be changed too. |
Magne Charle
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:08:00 -
[180]
/signed
I really don't like the new looks some of my alts got. |
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Xenea
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:08:00 -
[181]
I support this. When making a Khanid female, if you hit random, most of the time the avatar will look like a boy. The best I could do was make myself look like a cross between a Mongolian chipmunk and Rosanne Barr with the lights turn way down. This is entirely unlike my previous portrait who was definately Nippon. |
Taurania
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Posted - 2011.01.23 21:05:00 -
[182]
Quote:
Edit (thanks Jagga Spikes): CCP allows for portrait swaps but they have to be of the same race, bloodline and gender. Which isn't helpful at all in this case.
from Portrait swap FAQ:
"3. Why does gender and bloodline have to match when swapping portraits?
As bloodline and gender define a lot about your character the portraits that are going to be swapped need to have same bloodline and gender. The swapping is only meant to fix elements you are not happy about with your original portrait creation, it is not meant for gender and ancestry changes."
I would like to take the time to point out that the usage of Vherokior with the character I'm using to post says this.
I made this character to be a science and industry alt. I wanted the highest intellect and memory I could get and for this and other stat-based reasons the Vherokior race was superior to the one, or maybe two, others that were close. Just like all the Achura Caldari stat *****s I too am a stat *****.
That is what my choice of Verokior says. At least that's what it said until CCP changed the game so that blood line no longer affected your attributes.
Item #3 of the portrait swap FAQ does not and should not apply to my character because:
#1 What my choice of bloodline says about me is no longer valid due to changes made by CCP.
#2 Due to CCP not implementing a visually pleasing Vherokior blood line it is currently impossible to "fix elements (I am) not happy about" without being able to pick a new blood line at the least and race at the worst.
Through CCP's own actions section three of that FAQ is no longer applicable to me. Sadly, I doubt they would see it that way. As such this suggestion is supported
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Indary Grimfeather
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Posted - 2011.01.24 03:07:00 -
[183]
Supported, please let is chose at least a new bloodline.
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Commander Sexy
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Posted - 2011.01.24 07:43:00 -
[184]
Yes, please. My avatar was caucasian before Incursion now she's asian. I already have two asian characters, that's why I made a whitey in the first place.
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Ipyr
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:50:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Commander Sexy
Yes, please. My avatar was caucasian before Incursion now she's asian. I already have two asian characters, that's why I made a whitey in the first place.
Totally agree, how do Asians go Caucasian, Maori go Asian, etc.
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Ambassador Ry'Sheak
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:58:00 -
[186]
Race change is a must. The new avatar's look so different from the original. My characters look nothing like they did before. and frankly my race looks like ****...
so Supported for Race change |
Ange Ball
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:41:00 -
[187]
I would definitely pay up to $50 in real cash to be allowed to do this. Otherwise, my character is pretty unplayable.
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Kazrael Starseeker
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.26 07:51:00 -
[188]
bump!
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Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:27:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
No.
(They should rather make the generator have more options so you can make the new look closer to the old one)
I do own a Vherokior char and was also somewhat disappointed of a) missing the resembling hair style and b) the eyes looking quite different. However I still like the new look.
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Mujahadeenah
Minmatar
Recon Research Academy Minmatar Australia
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:56:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Mujahadeenah on 26/01/2011 12:59:05
+1. I want to have blod dripping from my fangs that I haven't got! O hang on that's next year sorry cant wait for WoDMMOG, Ywah so hurry up already.
can I vote with each of my alts? :) j/k
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Psyclown Lucyphre
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:03:00 -
[191]
"Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting.." O yeah baby I want to change my bloodline to Samurai O yeah, wait i already am
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00383988003
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:54:00 -
[192]
bumpers
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Major Natalie Caladan
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:23:00 -
[193]
I support this - everyone should be allowed to be a beautiful Gallente!
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Blastfizzle
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:20:00 -
[194]
I definitelly agree. I played with the new editor for hours, and while I was satisfied how my alts look, with my main's ancestry I am unable to make anything that I could like.
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Helen XVII
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:28:00 -
[195]
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Rustfizzle
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:31:00 -
[196]
Supported.
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Thune Vorpal
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:30:00 -
[197]
Bump
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Cosmar
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.31 05:14:00 -
[198]
I am against race change but for change of bloodline.
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Kazrael Starseeker
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.01.31 08:48:00 -
[199]
Thumbs up!
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Laura Locksley
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.31 12:08:00 -
[200]
+1
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.31 18:11:00 -
[201]
SO, can the CSM give us an update on this proposal?
When is the next CSM meeting? What is their agenda?
What are they doing?
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.01.31 18:12:00 -
[202]
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.31 18:27:00 -
[203]
I want my bar code tattoo back!
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Shaika Sokarad
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Posted - 2011.02.01 01:20:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Shaika Sokarad on 01/02/2011 01:24:30
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
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Posted - 2011.02.01 01:37:00 -
[205]
I support!
We want to change our bloodline, ancestry, even school, like we changed our portrait.
About race change...I think, that if we can redo our origins and appareance,it is best to be able to change everything, and not just a few minor details. :/
I liked caldari deteis when i created my account, but now, with the new charachter creator, i prefer sebiestors, or Intakis I really would change.
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Arolyia Madeveda
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Posted - 2011.02.01 06:38:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Arolyia Madeveda on 01/02/2011 06:39:01
/signed
Let us change our bloodlines.
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Zarutha
Amarr
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.02.01 07:45:00 -
[207]
/signed
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Kholis Volgier
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:32:00 -
[208]
It just makes sense to me on too many levels.
1) There is no longer a game mechanic tied to race/bloodline, and so balance or power is not an issue.
2) There were three different reasons people chose particular races/bloodlines in the past: A) Roleplay value (unchanged), B) Mechanical benefits (no longer extant), and C) Appearance (now vastly different). Those who chose them for reason B may have not liked their choice before but felt constrained; so why not let them change to what they really wanted in the first place? Those who chose for reason C are among the most maligned here as some bloodlines' appearance has changed drastically now. Why not give them the chance to pick again since they weren't responsible for the change?
3) It's just good customer service. Since CCP made changes that players may or may not like, why not give the players the option to make the most of it instead of changing what they had and simply telling them to suck it up?
4) New players get all options available to choose from. Loyal, long term customers get 1/12th of the options. Is this fair?
Now, I know many say that you should stick with the decision you made and/or it doesn't make sense that you could change the way you were born. But think of it this way: the decision was made under different circumstances than we have now. And many would not have made the same decision had the situation been different at the time. Second, this isn't real life; so why try to enforce things that people don't like about real life either?
As for a justification in game and in character for it, that's simple. The Sansha assault CONCORD's central genetic record database in an attempt to wipe all cloning data for capsuleers, thus preventing them from coming back after death. Fortunately, a quick thinking computer ace in CONCORD managed to stop the virus before it did too much damage. Sadly, though, some of the data was corrupted and so some capsuleers may notice a few...changes.
Anyway, just trying to keep the thread alive and contribute logical points in the hopes that the devs take a look. I chose my bloodline as a compromise that I could live with. I wanted a different race/bloodline, but they looked terrible to me. I went with what I had though it wasn't the perfect look nor the best RP fit, but it was as good as I could get. Now the race/bloodline I really liked looks quite good and what I have looks VASTLY different from what it did. I'm not terribly pleased really. :(
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cpt Kelmon
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Posted - 2011.02.04 07:44:00 -
[209]
/signed
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Khaeros
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Posted - 2011.02.04 07:54:00 -
[210]
Supported.
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Ancyker
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Posted - 2011.02.05 18:18:00 -
[211]
Yes, please.
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Malcorath Sacerdos
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Posted - 2011.02.05 20:03:00 -
[212]
Supported.
no peticualar reason i wanna share. its just a good idea.
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Jedyna
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Posted - 2011.02.06 03:14:00 -
[213]
+1
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Corpse's Spite
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Posted - 2011.02.08 20:47:00 -
[214]
I vote for this proposal as my only other course of action is to junk my 8 million SP character.
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Kuzim Blaky'all
Recycling and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.02.08 23:46:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Kuzim Blaky''all on 08/02/2011 23:46:41
sup dawg,
time for me to say
i got an account
but no desire to play
kuz dig it, by lookin at my head
a dawg aint got choices to show of they mad dreads
an bein dark, dawg, against the lite?
a dawg want more sun, not to look like its nite
ccp, you done this deal not rite
and so u an me we gonan fight
until you bite
an make it rite
kuz what y'all be doin is a major slite
so dig it dawg, please roll it back
else all you dam trippas be smokin crack
in short, re-re got somtin to say:
put better lights and dreadlocks in rite away
peace out dawg.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:32:00 -
[216]
Bump for great justice.
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Natalie Caladan
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:28:00 -
[217]
Supported!!
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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:41:00 -
[218]
I'm about ready to delete my Vherokoir character due to the horrible new avatars. Gender and bloodline only affect appearance, so I see no reason why a microtransaction shouldn't be used to modify these things.
It could easily be explained in-game due to the whole cloning system, which uses a dummy corpse and implants your neural map in it. It's not like this change would modify the character's reputation (since that's linked to the name), nor employment history.
Supported.
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"The civilized man is rude, as laws protect him from recompense; the savage is not, for his actions can meet a bloody end." - Robert E. Howard |
Oen''Gus
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Posted - 2011.02.28 09:55:00 -
[219]
I wrote a petition regarding this issue, they replied i should quit eve if i didn't like their new portrait system. I wonder if ccp is aware that some people liked amarr portraits and now they dont like em anymore because of their new system? anyway you got my vote.
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W'A'R
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:25:00 -
[220]
I support this idea! YES YES YES
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Jacknine
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Posted - 2011.03.23 14:21:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Jacknine on 23/03/2011 14:21:56
YES!
Signed
CCP has ruined my character
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Oen''Gus
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:54:00 -
[222]
I dont see why it should be an issue, we can already change our portraits why not race or bloodline as well? And with this new portrait system I don't like amarr as I used to. Anyway, I'm doing a second post because if forgot to support it.
cya!
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Anah Karah
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.26 01:45:00 -
[223]
Look CCP!!! A simple, easy way to gloss over your incompetence and lack of knowledge of what players want :)
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Schala Zilart
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:57:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Originally by: Terazul
Totally supported. If not race (which should totally be allowed, IMO), then at least bloodlines. They serve only aesthetic purposes now instead of mechanical ones, so there's really no reason for forcing us to deal with whatever we get.
Bold Underline (1) there is actually a large amount of lore in this game and a very active RP element - it is far more then aesthtic for some people.
Bold Underline (2) - whatever we get? You chose your race an your bloodline, so you did not 'get' anything, you 'selected' it. You make it sound random when its not.
And if you bought your character - then you also choise to buy that race and bloodline.
Srsly, the only people who support this bought their characters and want to change stuff because they are unahppy with what they choise to buy. If you want another race, name, bloodline whateve - train one.
all 3 of my accounts I Made.. NightCyn , ClainaNightCyn , and SilentCyn
I choose Amarr/Amarr Race/bloodline for all 3 because I liked it best and was More "Me"
I did not buy my characters. and when I made them they did not look like this.
your assumptions are ridicules
people who RP and not effected by people who don't making a Bloodline change.. they can choose to continue on with whatever they please.
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CalinaNightCyn
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:34:00 -
[225]
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CRA5HD0WN
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:55:00 -
[226]
+1 |
Spazz21
Angha
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:06:00 -
[227]
/supported. I wanna change my characters to something more unique since everything has been changed so drastically.
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D3nzil
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Posted - 2011.03.30 05:55:00 -
[228]
support
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Angst IronShard
Minmatar
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.03.30 10:35:00 -
[229]
not supported.
I don't get why you want to change something you choosed at the very begining.
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Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:14:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Angst IronShard
not supported.
I don't get why you want to change something you choosed at the very begining.
Silly. As if anyone with an objective view could confuse our old character look with the new one.
What you chose for in the beginning isn't available anymore. The bloodlines continue to exist just in name, not in looks.
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Tharill daSai
Serringer Arms Inc
Free United Spirits
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:12:00 -
[231]
/supp
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GoGo Yubari
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:39:00 -
[232]
Yes.
Love by nature. Live by luck. Kill by profession. |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.22 10:16:00 -
[233]
Why is this on page 8? To the top!
...especially cuz of the captain's quarters on Duality now.
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Sephiroth CloneVII
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:23:00 -
[234]
While lore makes the races and bloodlines different, with the advent of face changing, why isn't it possible for a change between races when it is already possible to change between two very different people of the same race.
Though having option of changing gender would make things kind of weird. ....
But hey, people can do it in the 21st century, ever hear of Michal Jackson, or that one son of Ernest Hemingway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Hemingway you would think in the how many CENTURY'S in the future they would get better at it, you know being able to do interstellar and faster then light travel, ect, they would be able to have the bare-bones advances in plastic surgery, or at least what we already have today.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.23 02:49:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Sephiroth CloneVII
Though having option of changing gender would make things kind of weird. ....
No weirder than it is in the 21st century...
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Sunhaven
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:34:00 -
[236]
Supported. I spent alot of time trying to make the most "me" look i could when i started playing eve so I knew I'd be happy with it compared to the other options. Now with the new creator the toon i really want to make is only possible with a different race/bloodline. Eats me up every time i log on |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:58:00 -
[237]
No way.
Fugly Achuras should remain ugly forever. Accept your disgrace.
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Elda Amamiya
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:30:00 -
[238]
Edited by: Elda Amamiya on 29/05/2011 02:32:48
+1
Event it a paid service I'll pay ^^
You can have new clones, why not some genetic modifications
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Egilmonsc
Massively Mob
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:17:00 -
[239]
Supported~
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Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see. |
Na'taliai
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Posted - 2011.05.30 18:53:00 -
[240]
Race change is needed, sell different race clones on AUR market that we can jump into or something. Maybe make it one time deal. AND ATTRIBUTES DO NOT CHANGE |
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Morwen Lagann
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:45:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Morwen Lagann on 30/05/2011 19:45:35
Supported.
I got ****ed over by the character creation system due to CCP changing the limits on the way the faces could be sculpted literally between the last version the Sisi client and the deployment on TQ on January 18th. I was highly unamused, because now I'd need the Gallente bloodline to get even close to what I had before and actually wanted.
I've never been able to get a satisfactory result with the character creator since that Sisi client, despite the several re-customization tokens CCP has thrown at us. If they can't give us an option to re-sculpt for a small fee, or loosen the sculpting constraints, the option to look at changing bloodline would be rather welcomed.
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Kai Nah
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:42:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Kai Nah on 08/06/2011 04:42:51
+1
Made this character when I first started playing and I made female characters in all my games. Now I'm the opposite and prefer a more realistic representation of myself in games, I am unable to do that currently, but have been dying to at least change to a male. I could really care less about my race/bloodline at the moment since I still like Caldari, but I would be willing to pay real cash for a gender change. If CCP's wallets are listening.
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Looking for the ability to change my char to Amarr <_<... (Amarr > Rest) |
Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:31:00 -
[243]
Not supported.
Just because you may not like the way the races look after they got buffed out doesn't mean you can change your ancestry. Changes to bloodline within a race makes even less sense as they completely different in looks! ( well with the exception of maybe civre and deteis. ). I think some of the traditional old school star trek fans really didn't like the way Klingons looked after their makeover in 1979 but that didn't mean they weren't klingon anymore.
Most importantly, changing anything permanent about your character can be exploited by players looking to "lose their bad rep".
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Sykhopath
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:37:00 -
[244]
Supported for Race and Bloodline change, Not one or the other, MUST BE BOTH. Cause this intaki looks absolutly nothing like my old potrait before incursion, and this is BS... as the original poster says, i went from a Enzo ferrari to a 1977 vokswagon hippie van... |
Sykhopath
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:52:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Most importantly, changing anything permanent about your character can be exploited by players looking to "lose their bad rep".
This is not a "NAME CHANGE" thread Kaelie. Nobody is gona look at a scam contract and go "Hey isnt that So-And-So? the scammer? i think... wait, he used to be Minmatar, now hes Amarr! must not be him." and accept the contract... (poor example but you probably get my point)
Your NAME is your reputation, nobody cares about what u look like except you, And there is NO differece in skillpoints or attributes between races, and buying a Caldari Clone and jumping into it WILL NOT change your standings to any extent, this is for appearances only |
Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:33:00 -
[246]
I would sex up the dev that lets me change Nikita to Sebiestor. And pay them. That's gotta be a fairly win deal...I mean I'm pretty cute.
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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Antadark
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:27:00 -
[247]
cosmetic flexibility is always nice to have on the backburner...
Brazil |
Amy Garzan
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:48:00 -
[248]
signed
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101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything |
Vaschel Novak
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:17:00 -
[249]
Signed because i dont like vherokior squinty eyes
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HavakII
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:59:00 -
[250]
I support this also. I just want to change my bloodline atleast. I am willing to pay with money, isk, or plex. But I do not want to pay with another five years to train a new me.
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Havak II
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:20:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Havak II on 21/06/2011 06:20:32
Posted with wrong character.
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Shamata
Caldari
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 18:57:00 -
[252]
Sign
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Stignos
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:01:00 -
[253]
+1
I support this change so we can change our race and bloodline for set ammount of AURUM to pay, most of us have chars from before the new character creator was added and we are stuck with character models we dont like and want to change them.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:39:00 -
[254]
YES!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Suhaine
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Posted - 2011.06.21 20:20:00 -
[255]
Long as it is a one off. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
N E X O
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Posted - 2011.06.21 20:28:00 -
[256]
Sure
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.21 22:39:00 -
[257]
Still showing support.
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Ovidia Rhianon
Mining and Industrial Services
Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:35:00 -
[258]
/sign
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Sub Hegemon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:48:00 -
[259]
/signed
You would think they would have thought of this.
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Lyam260
Bath and Body Works
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:49:00 -
[260]
/signed
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Rycus Kilran
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:07:00 -
[261]
I support this
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Aurora Hailey
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:48:00 -
[262]
SIGNED
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Nikita Keriget
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Posted - 2011.06.29 03:38:00 -
[263]
Supported. I'd even go further and allow race/gender changes. There is even game lore to support it.
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d3an0
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:54:00 -
[264]
Signed, my name is terrible (my imagination was dead back then) and the gallente's only option for long hair is dirty looking dreadlock things.
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Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.21 20:54:00 -
[265]
I agree with this one hundred percent.
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:27:00 -
[266]
Originally by: d3an0
Signed, my name is terrible (my imagination was dead back then) and the gallente's only option for long hair is dirty looking dreadlock things.
Why kill a mosquito with a rocket launcher?
The solution to your problem is for new hairstyles to be added. Simple.
(And perhaps coming soon to a NeX near you!  )
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Annina Trebor
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Posted - 2011.08.25 06:08:00 -
[267]
/signed |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.29 13:47:00 -
[268]
I'd pay aurum for this service.
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