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Soden Rah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.31 20:09:00 -
[1]
Originally posted in features and ideas it has been suggested that this should be in this forum so I am reposting. here is the original post and a link to the
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1440598
I like several of the new ship designs and as a fully paid up member of eve I would like to join in and vote.
But...
I AM NOT AND NEVER WILL BE a member of Facebook. I object to being forced to use a third party site dedicated to data mining customers to sell advertising to vote on your competition. I strongly urge you to make your own IN-HOUSE voting system so your paying customers can use it without having to use some random third-party site many of us have a deep objection to.
Anyone else who thinks we should be able to vote without joining Facebook please sign here. Even if this doesn't effect this vote it might effect subsequent competitions.
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 Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function 
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Ts'ao Ts'ao
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Posted - 2010.12.31 20:17:00 -
[2]
Agreed, understand the reasoning of ccp using facebook...
ccp using facebook is not the problem itself, using facebook exclusively is the problem, what about us people who do not use social networking sites such as this, are we not allowed to vote? do we not count?
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.12.31 20:18:00 -
[3]
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2010.12.31 20:56:00 -
[4]
/Signed
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.12.31 21:13:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 31/12/2010 21:13:09
Agreed.... I find it offensive being forced to use some other service that CCP could just as easily do themselves as far as voting is concerned.
After all... wth is the point of developing space book if your not going to use it?
(Intentionally smartassed and trolling to make a point)
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CEO of Shadow Cadre
http://www.shadowcadre.com
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2010.12.31 21:29:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Windjammer on 31/12/2010 21:46:44
I could not agree more. This is far more disturbing than Real ID, as well as the objections raised by the OP. This was poorly done by CCP and is no service to the subscribers.
In point of fact this is so outrageous that the CSM should be able to pick it up without even waiting for the outcome of a vote of support in Assembly Hall. ItÆs that obvious. Further, CCP themselves should be scrambling to correct this matter without waiting. The reasons for placing the voting on facebook exclusively are very disturbing. CCP is being cheap, lazy and short sighted. They could have put the voting through their own spacebook instead of a site many of us avoid like the plague. EVE's spacebook could use the support.
Best regards,
Windjammer
P.S. OP, your link is giving a 404 error message.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.31 21:53:00 -
[7]
If the account based voting is good enough for electing CSM members, surely it is good enough for helping CCP make up their minds as to what ship model to adopt.
Failbook is is number two on my list of evil things in the world, right below politicians. Insecure (multiple hacks of their main servers the past two years alone), non-existent privacy rules, money-grubbing and ultimately useless.
Fixed link to F&I thread
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Pan Dora
Organization for Nuclear Research
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:12:00 -
[8]
Bad, Bad CCP!
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I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game. |
Soden Rah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:22:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Windjammer
P.S. OP, your link is giving a 404 error message.
sigh.
I normally get those things right.
Wasn't paying attention when I made it.
Now fixed.
Not thats its hugely important but fixed anyway.
And thanks for the heads up I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Ephemeron
The Dirty Dozen
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:47:00 -
[10]
you can create a fake Facebook account, jeez
nobody is going to datamine you
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:57:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Windjammer on 31/12/2010 22:57:56
Originally by: Ephemeron
you can create a fake Facebook account, jeez
nobody is going to datamine you
I could, but I choose not to. I donÆt want a Facebook account, fake or otherwise. I pay CCP. I play EVE. I do not expect CCP to require me to sign up with an organization, Facebook, that is remarkably unethical in order to participate in an aspect of EVE.
-Windjammer
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:42:00 -
[12]
Supported.
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CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:53:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Ephemeron
you can create a fake Facebook account, jeez
nobody is going to datamine you
One could also speed through a town, jump off a cliff or try to live on tofu .. doesn't mean it is wise or even legal.
PS: False personal data is against Failbook EULA.
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PLEXIN CARGO
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Posted - 2011.01.01 05:43:00 -
[14]
/Signed
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Slick O'Hara
Pacific Dawn
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Posted - 2011.01.01 07:12:00 -
[15]
I'm suprised and disappoint that CCP isn't using the same mechanism as the CSM vote.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.01.01 11:21:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Windjammer
I could, but I choose not to. I donÆt want a Facebook account, fake or otherwise. I pay CCP. I play EVE. I do not expect CCP to require me to sign up with an organization, Facebook, that is remarkably unethical in order to participate in an aspect of EVE.
-Windjammer
+1
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Skanthra
Bath and Body Works
Bed Bath and Beyond
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Posted - 2011.01.01 11:32:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Windjammer
I could, but I choose not to. I donÆt want a Facebook account, fake or otherwise. I pay CCP. I play EVE. I do not expect CCP to require me to sign up with an organization, Facebook, that is remarkably unethical in order to participate in an aspect of EVE.
-Windjammer
This. I fully support this proposal. |
Jarnau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2011.01.01 11:37:00 -
[18]
/signed
- all importent features must be accessible via client or normal account pages
- furthermore: discard the crappy EVE-Gate
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Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2011.01.01 11:49:00 -
[19]
/signed.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.01 13:25:00 -
[20]
**** Facebook.
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.01 13:50:00 -
[21]
I use FB and I have no plans to vote through FB.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Papa FireDance
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Posted - 2011.01.01 15:00:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Papa FireDance on 01/01/2011 14:59:52
/signed
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Every time your ships burns, it takes a thousand souls with it...but not you! |
Jasdemi
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Posted - 2011.01.01 15:25:00 -
[23]
That CCP employee who decided to use Failbook to vote MUST be fired immediately.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2011.01.01 16:02:00 -
[24]
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Karyon Khen
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Posted - 2011.01.01 16:14:00 -
[25]
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Torin Corax
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.01 16:26:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Torin Corax on 01/01/2011 16:26:19
Originally by: Windjammer
I could, but I choose not to. I donÆt want a Facebook account, fake or otherwise. I pay CCP. I play EVE. I do not expect CCP to require me to sign up with an organization, Facebook, that is remarkably unethical in order to participate in an aspect of EVE.
-Windjammer
Well said.
I was excited by the prospect of a new competition after the whole Deviant fiasco, when I saw I would be required to join facebook in order to take part I was somewhat irked.
I have taken one look at the competing entries, some very nice work there  but I won't be voting. It's a shame CCP went down this route as I certainly would of voted had it actually been an "in-house" competition. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.01.01 18:47:00 -
[27]
I agree.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2011.01.01 19:05:00 -
[28]
+2 just so i dont have to use face book
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Zhems Bund
Expeditionary Resources Association
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Posted - 2011.01.01 19:05:00 -
[29]
Agree fully
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Delamtri
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Posted - 2011.01.01 21:31:00 -
[30]
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.02 00:25:00 -
[31]
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PhoenixDawn
Forge Regional Security
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2011.01.02 01:00:00 -
[32]
100% wholly supported! 200% even.
Being forced to use failbook is an insult. Sure, use it, but enable an option to use my own eve subscription that does not steal my contact list information and spam people who have no interest in eve with pointless advertising. My friends & family don't care one whit about whatever games I'm playing, and I sure as sin don't care about the thirty idiotic spamverts I get bloating my inbox every day (and imagine what that inbox looks like when I log in, at most, one or two times a year).
Stupid tactic, CCP, just plain stupid.
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Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.02 01:09:00 -
[33]
thumbs up for this.
Max Kolonko |
Jondo Marikesh
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.02 02:36:00 -
[34]
no facebook for me
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.01.02 02:41:00 -
[35]
Support
I'm not sure if I like this new web team, or at least the new direction the old web team is taking.
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.02 06:46:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Rip Minner on 02/01/2011 06:52:30
Got my vote. I hate facebook and all sites like them. There infested with all kinds of spy ware and virus.
Edit: It also go's way against protecting your EVE account. Part of protecting your eve account is not just Virus scaners but staying away from sites like facebook. lolz
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
aetherguy881
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Posted - 2011.01.02 07:18:00 -
[37]
We don't need someone with a bunch of lemming Facebook friends (from someone who has a bunch) to just hop into the voting to vote for a crappy looking ship.
Just give us a little "mandatory" pop up to vote upon login (paid accounts only) with the proper voting options and maybe even an abstain option.
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Always remember this about EVE:
Life is cheap, or 15 bucks a month. |
Garwill
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Posted - 2011.01.02 07:20:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Garwill on 02/01/2011 07:20:23
Anyone else notice how ccp and possibly the csm are totally ignoring the mass of complaints on this? So anyone one facebook can vote, and the thousands of EVE players who aren't can not? FAIL and insulting.
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Aphser
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.02 07:24:00 -
[39]
+1
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Mistress Ingrid
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.01.02 08:08:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Mistress Ingrid on 02/01/2011 08:10:02
I am upset that 4Chan, Reddit, and YouTube members aren't allowed to have their own spaceship contests.
edit: also please add a contest for HuluPlus subscribers
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Q Aa
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Posted - 2011.01.02 08:38:00 -
[41]
/signed seems very stupid if u don't get alot of money from facebook.
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Belsazzar
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:19:00 -
[42]
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Naga Tokiba
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Posted - 2011.01.02 14:12:00 -
[43]
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Squeakee Bunny
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Posted - 2011.01.02 15:26:00 -
[44]
I totally agree. I have absolutely no desire to use social networking sites. |
Leila Duran
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Posted - 2011.01.02 15:47:00 -
[45]
Facebook must go!
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Voddick
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Posted - 2011.01.02 17:09:00 -
[46]
Facebook isn't for everyone
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Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
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Posted - 2011.01.02 18:35:00 -
[47]
/signed
facebook has more trojans than a condom factory
thus i will never sign up
:Its all fun and games untill your logistics guy tries passive tanking his raven: |
Syned Vanderog
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.03 02:10:00 -
[48]
/signed
Attracting new possible players - oukay, but not allowing actual players without addiction to Zuckerberg to vote?!
I would have gladly gank the CCP employee for such hilarious idea.
FB - fracking bullmeat.
PRAETORIANNI NONNUMQUAM IN PROELIO NUMQUAM IN BELLO SUPERANTUR |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.03 06:04:00 -
[49]
As a computer security professional I absolutely despise Facebook. It's a poorly programmed insecure privacy nightmare that preys on human trust relationships.
That CCP is using this website for ANYTHING much less a voting mechanism, is patently ridiculous. Proposal SUPPORTED.
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Portmanteau
Fumar Puede Matar
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Posted - 2011.01.03 09:03:00 -
[50]
agreed, FB sux les balloons
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2011.01.03 11:04:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 03/01/2011 11:06:31
Boooooo CCP, Boooooooooooooo!!!
* crowd throws rotten tomatoes *
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Aelius
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.01.03 11:19:00 -
[52]
Agreed "Over 9000%!!!"
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CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig)
Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
svetlana
Constellation Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.03 11:35:00 -
[53]
agreed.
i also refuse to use facebook, thus cannot vote.
any EVE related voting should obviously be performed through some CCP mechanism related to the game, inside the game itself or even on the eve forums.
and especially not using an outside software which has a proven track record of security flaws[changing settings/opening vulnerabilities without letting users know, appologizing after each time data is leaked out, etc. it's absolutely ridiculous]
if CCP wants to attract users through facebook exposure that is fine... but for heavens sake don't make playerbase voting a part of it!
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.03 11:42:00 -
[54]
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Emeric Jadgoth
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Posted - 2011.01.03 11:46:00 -
[55]
+1000 - Besides that I don't have a Facebook account, and automatically trashcan any emails originating from Facebook, CCP has no right to the information you do not provide when subscribing and should not be trying to link Facebook profiles to Eve personas.
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Farinet
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Posted - 2011.01.03 12:04:00 -
[56]
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Shintai
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.03 12:07:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Shintai on 03/01/2011 12:08:11
Signed! Facebook voting is ******ed.
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Killer Gandry
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.03 12:32:00 -
[58]
signed. even though I have a Failbook account which I used like 2 days. The fact it also requires one to open up their buddylist etc for promo towards them is just another way to increase spam.
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega
Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2011.01.03 12:35:00 -
[59]
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Dardol
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Posted - 2011.01.03 13:17:00 -
[60]
supported
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Aleena Doran
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Posted - 2011.01.03 13:17:00 -
[61]
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Kai Honsou
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Posted - 2011.01.03 14:48:00 -
[62]
/signed |
Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.03 15:04:00 -
[63]
I was going to vote.. but then I saw that I had to use facebook, so I didn't bother.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2011.01.03 15:16:00 -
[64]
+1
id like to vote my fav ship but im not going to subscribe a facebook account
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Anyura
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Posted - 2011.01.03 17:21:00 -
[65]
**** Facebook.
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Irongut
Sex Money Guns
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Posted - 2011.01.03 17:32:00 -
[66]
/signed
Having to join a site that would violate my privacy is not acceptable for a simple competition vote when I already have accounts with CCP that could have been used to facilitate this.
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Rutger Centemus
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:42:00 -
[67]
Supported
Originally by: Crumplecorn
I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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RadioControlled
Dvice Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:43:00 -
[68]
+1
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Tango Tonight
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:44:00 -
[69]
Supporting the motion.
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Testah McTest
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:44:00 -
[70]
.
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Raukho
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:51:00 -
[71]
failbook is fail (Evegate is fail to)
Everything else was covered in the original post.
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Hiauki
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:52:00 -
[72]
Voting with both accounts because I can
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Skarsnik
DarkArch Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:58:00 -
[73]
I am a facebook member but even I have to agree to the fact that not giving more options for paying subscribers to vote on things that will appear in-game is shortsighted by CCP.
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EVE-Ink Tattoo Project |
Zirator
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:59:00 -
[74]
I was slowly regaining my "trust" in CCP regarding this competition. But "forcing" paying customers to use facebook to vote on possible features for the game I pay to play is like a slap in my face.
I don't like social networking sites and I'm not going to sign up on one to vote on a seriousinternetspaceship poll.
As allready said in this topic if the account login is good enough for CSM elections it's good enough for this contest.
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Arela Xen
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:06:00 -
[75]
donŠt go on that failbook ride please
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Blastfizzle
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:27:00 -
[76]
Supported.
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I believe I can be considered one of the MOST EPIC people of ALL TIMES! |
Mr XEM
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.03 21:08:00 -
[77]
ccp + failbook = failccp
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.03 21:22:00 -
[78]
Nothing against Facebook per se, but the fact that non-Eve players can vote renders the whole competition pointless. Eve-Gate would have been a much more suitable vehicle for this.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.03 22:24:00 -
[79]
wow im amazed how short sighted people are on this competition!
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!
facebook is being used as a viral form of advertising for eve-online. that is the only reason why! The whole contest is to get people who havent played eve to see that its got a following and 'appears' to support its community, so that they think "hmm i think i'll try that!"
this contest along with the removal of learning skills is to promote and get people into the game easier and actually have fun in the first 14 days to 2 months of play, so that they carry on. not add a bit of a smile to a small portion of the eve players that likes shaping a miniscule part of the game.
now.... you cannot accomplish this by hosting a voting system that only for subbd Eve Players. Sure you can argue about if CCP actually genuinely asked for content from its community and included it then word of mouth will bring in more subs, it already does in certain regards.
CCP is a Business first and foremost. its size has grown substantially, and because of that its running costs have increased too. this is a way to generate more new player revenue so they can continue at their current size and finish/augment all the new content they've promised.
if ur soo annoyed at failbook voting and using it on ur computer, go use sum1 elses to make a fake-ish account or use a cyber cafe ffs.
CSM Prop 1
CSM Prop 2 |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.03 22:37:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!
Why, that's a mite disapppointing. I was under the (common-sense) impression that the winners would see their ship included in the game. Otherwise, erm, what's the frakkin' point?!
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 00:39:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!
Why, that's a mite disapppointing. I was under the (common-sense) impression that the winners would see their ship included in the game. Otherwise, erm, what's the frakkin' point?!
heres a quote from the contest forum thread under FAQ:
Originally by: CCP Adida
Will the winner of this contest automatically be included in the game?
No. Due to a packed production schedule of ships and other art next year we cannot guarantee the winner goes in before 2012. Seriously, the art schedule is packed. However the CCP Art team reserves the right to change their mind and find room to allow a truly gorgeous piece in.
as well as the official rules it states:
Originally by: Official "Create a Starship Contest" Rules
PRIZES: There are five (5) prizes awarded as follows:
Grand Prize (1 winner): $900 USD, Choice of EVE Online Battleship Model, EVE Online BattleMat Mousepad, EVE Online 3-pcs Decal Set, EVE Online Poster, and One Year EVE Online Subscription
Additonal Prizes (4 winners): $600 USD, EVE Online Battleship Model, EVE Online BattleMat Mousepad, EVE Online 3-pcs Decal Set, and EVE Online Poster
so as it stands there isnt anything set in stone to say its to be included.. bt the prizes are still pretty good!
CSM Prop 1
CSM Prop 2 |
Pheusia
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 00:56:00 -
[82]
Screw Facebook.
Signed,
Pheusia |
Corina Jarr
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:28:00 -
[83]
I have no problem with Facebook being used as a voting venue. But, it should not be the only way to vote. That is my issue with the thing.
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Noun Verber
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:22:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Slick O'Hara
I'm suprised and disappoint that CCP isn't using the same mechanism as the CSM vote.
Nice Idea
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:24:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
wow im amazed how short sighted people are on this competition!
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!
facebook is being used as a viral form of advertising for eve-online. that is the only reason why! The whole contest is to get people who havent played eve to see that its got a following and 'appears' to support its community, so that they think "hmm i think i'll try that!"
this contest along with the removal of learning skills is to promote and get people into the game easier and actually have fun in the first 14 days to 2 months of play, so that they carry on. not add a bit of a smile to a small portion of the eve players that likes shaping a miniscule part of the game.
now.... you cannot accomplish this by hosting a voting system that only for subbd Eve Players. Sure you can argue about if CCP actually genuinely asked for content from its community and included it then word of mouth will bring in more subs, it already does in certain regards.
CCP is a Business first and foremost. its size has grown substantially, and because of that its running costs have increased too. this is a way to generate more new player revenue so they can continue at their current size and finish/augment all the new content they've promised.
if ur soo annoyed at failbook voting and using it on ur computer, go use sum1 elses to make a fake-ish account or use a cyber cafe ffs.
Does this smell to anyone else like a CCP staffer?
Your comments might carry some water if there was some way to vote other than with Facebook. Regardless of what you say and regardless of whether any of the designs make it into the game, this is an EVE thing. If CCP wanted to open it to the masses outside of EVE, no problem. However, to require that something of EVE and for EVE be exclusively run through Facebook is nothing less than an attempt to force subscribers to join Facebook and advertise for CCPÆs game at the expense of the subscriber. The expense would be contributing to an unethical organization, Facebook. Also, letÆs just go ahead and define the subscriber as what he or she is. Someone who is already paying CCP.
People donÆt want to pay CCP for the game, then turn around and have to sign up for something they donÆt want, like Facebook, in order to participate in all aspects of the game theyÆre already paying for.
You make a big deal about how CCP is a business and how they need to generate more income to make EVE a better game. Where have you been? TheyÆve been developing Dust 514 and some World of Darkness with vampires, etc. These will eventually, hopefully, give CCP more money, but even Dust 514 is only marginally associated with EVEÆs content. Costs of running EVE itself have not appreciably increased and those increases that are there are more than made up for by increased subscribers. A large portion of the increased revenue is going towards things that may be good for CCP, but have little, if anything, to do with EVE.
These concepts are obvious, nothing to be amazed at and are far from short sighted. They are, in fact, the justifiable ire of people CCP should be paying attention to. Their customers.
-Windjammer
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:37:00 -
[86]
Thanks for pointing me to the price section, Gee****zle.
One thing about the contest I noted, btw, was how well detailed some of the ships are -- and how much I liked that. :) It adds so much more realism. With Incarna around the corner (or at least the new high-def character creator), I wouldn't mind if CCP's art department started thinking of higher-def ship models as well.
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GATLER
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:47:00 -
[87]
+10
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Iella Wesirri
Seventh Heaven's Construction
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:46:00 -
[88]
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 11:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Windjammer
Does this smell to anyone else like a CCP staffer?
Your comments might carry some water if there was some way to vote other than with Facebook. Regardless of what you say and regardless of whether any of the designs make it into the game, this is an EVE thing. If CCP wanted to open it to the masses outside of EVE, no problem. However, to require that something of EVE and for EVE be exclusively run through Facebook is nothing less than an attempt to force subscribers to join Facebook and advertise for CCPÆs game at the expense of the subscriber. The expense would be contributing to an unethical organization, Facebook. Also, letÆs just go ahead and define the subscriber as what he or she is. Someone who is already paying CCP.
People donÆt want to pay CCP for the game, then turn around and have to sign up for something they donÆt want, like Facebook, in order to participate in all aspects of the game theyÆre already paying for.
You make a big deal about how CCP is a business and how they need to generate more income to make EVE a better game. Where have you been? TheyÆve been developing Dust 514 and some World of Darkness with vampires, etc. These will eventually, hopefully, give CCP more money, but even Dust 514 is only marginally associated with EVEÆs content. Costs of running EVE itself have not appreciably increased and those increases that are there are more than made up for by increased subscribers. A large portion of the increased revenue is going towards things that may be good for CCP, but have little, if anything, to do with EVE.
These concepts are obvious, nothing to be amazed at and are far from short sighted. They are, in fact, the justifiable ire of people CCP should be paying attention to. Their customers.
-Windjammer
while i appreciate ur sentiment, im not actually affiliated in any professional manner or manner above being a customer of CCP in any way :)
and yes you're right about the fact that eve-onlines running costs specifically may not have raised that much, although a lot of money has been spent on infrastructure to keep blades cool and data flowing.
Quite a few respected eve players have talked about the fact eve online may be benefiting from the development of the side projects you've talked about, as modding old systems and code can only get you soo far. drawing inspiration and ideas from a fresh modern game build can help a lot, and i would not be surprised that the new redesigned systems that have appeared in eve have been first created for these new projects and then ported over to eve.
when i originally talked about running costs of eve online i didnt specifically mean the upkeep of the servers and its cost in resources, i meant all the wages and additional requirements that a much larger team of developers require. ive done business models before and when u double and triple an employee base your costs skyrocket quite surprisingly.
So yes running eve online isnt tooo taxing on icelandic Krona, but the cost of the increased size of the development staff would be backing CCP into a corner unless they find creative and new ways to reach out to new customers, and therefore new subbs and more income.
im just saying that the whole facebook "like" feature to this competition is the personification of this drive to reach out to new possible customers at little or no cost to CCP, unlike front cover spreads and feature previews in magazines, which always costs money. |
Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:26:00 -
[90]
All these new social netware data collectors like facebook, twitter & Co really s u ck, they are bad.
I ignore them and nobody will push me ever to use them.
So i totally agree and i support this.
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Spirulina Laxissima
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:26:00 -
[91]
Fully supported.
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
SRI SYADASTI SYADAVAKTAVYA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADASTI CAVAKTAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVATAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVAKTAVYASCA
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:26:00 -
[92]
I'm not even using EVE Gate because it's just another stupid social web thinggy, let alone Failbook.
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Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:55:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Spirulina Laxissima
Fully supported.
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
i nearly **** my pants when i watched this if i could support this twice i would
i was worried about facebook because of viruses but now that i see the cia uses it i can make a fake facebook page to throw them off the trail MUAHAHAHAHA
*skips off to his mothers basement wearing a tinfoil hat*
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Black Dahliala
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Posted - 2011.01.05 05:43:00 -
[94]
SERIOUSLY WT* CCP!
I pay for these accounts and you want me to join facebot to vote?
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Jai Di
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Posted - 2011.01.05 12:54:00 -
[95]
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:00:00 -
[96]
I was happy to hear the voting on the ship designs finally started. In the waiting period, between the scheduled beginning and the actual one, I already began to lose interest in the thing.
Having to have a facebook account to vote gave me the rest and I said to myself "alright, I've had it with this"
I wonder how many votes will determine the winner of that contest.
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Arskaff
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:15:00 -
[97]
Supported. |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:45:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:13:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.
i lol'd at this vid on facebook... and i lol'd at the reaction of people on this forum about that vid! are people really so dumb as to not realise this stuff goes on??
i guess people THINK that if they make a facebook profile with their name and email address, the CIA and corporate companies will magically know their social security number, full bank account details, sexual deficiencies, plus any and every thought you may have ever had that could be considered non Politically Correct(non-PC). THIS ISNT SO!
yes they cross reference from other sources but they can only know what you tell them. and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.
CSM Prop 1
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Corina Jarr
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Posted - 2011.01.05 17:16:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.
OR, don't put up on Facebook what you don't want the whole world to know. Half of my friends don't even use their real names. Heck, I'm thinking about making one for this character. Would be fun and confusing status changes.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.05 19:03:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
So yes running eve online isnt tooo taxing on icelandic Krona, but the cost of the increased size of the development staff would be backing CCP into a corner unless they find creative and new ways to reach out to new customers, and therefore new subbs and more income.
The increased size of the development staff is largely to provide resources to games other than EVE. Good for CCP. They should try to find other sources of income outside the primary cash cow of EVE. ItÆs diversification and that protects the overall health of the company. No argument. However, those decisions are CCPÆs and if they back themselves into a corner, thatÆs their doing, not ours.
CCP should be creative in finding new customers. They could use them. HereÆs a creative idea. Fix the things in EVE that have been on the ôbacklogö for freaking ever. Fix the current content so it actually works as intended. Stop breaking the game every time a release comes out. That would be novel. Then weÆd be able to tell our friends that we play a game that isnÆt perpetually broken and THAT might get more customers as well as retain the ones theyÆve already got.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
im just saying that the whole facebook "like" feature to this competition is the personification of this drive to reach out to new possible customers at little or no cost to CCP, unlike front cover spreads and feature previews in magazines, which always costs money.
No. This ôwhole facebook like featureö is the personification of CCPÆs cavalier treatment of their customers. They could have extended the voting to Facebook as well as have a way for their current customers to vote without joining Facebook. Alternately they could have had two separate votes. Instead, they tell their customers, ôwe want you to join Facebook to vote so that we can create a buzz that might attract new customers and we really donÆt care if you have an aversion to Facebook. Join Facebook or be barred from participation.ö
CCP has an unfortunate tendency to try to manipulate their customers rather than entice them or if enticement fails, to strong arm them. For some time now CCP has had a Facebook section and invited EVE players to join. The turnout has been less than spectacular. So now they introduce an EVE event that requires joining Facebook. The first of many to come?
SubscriberÆs to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.
-Windjammer
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.05 22:48:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Windjammer
SubscriberÆs to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.
-Windjammer
firstly, how about you dont bold and underline a personal opinion of the state of all eve's subscribers assumptions unless you've polled such a thing and linked it with proper citation. ESPECIALLY when its done in such a way as to appear like a proven fact!
i would love access to eve onlines source-code but i dont think im gonna get it!
secondly, thats all fair and well in a fair and just world where every1 is truthfull and mindfull of everyone else... but look around you... millions's die for no reason at all... billions are taken advantage of because they can be, and most arent even aware of these because they dont enter our daily lives. if u wanna complain to CCP about doing things you didnt expect them to do and find out that you cannot bring them to account, then i suggest you take a look at yourself at how trusting u are to EULA's u blindly accept.
but of course u can always use the scapegoat of being part of a society annoyed at long teadious "terms of agreement" that always find their ways into software installations, and the compultion to ignore it and just click "accept".
assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, and it seems that you're very much hurting from disregarding that fact.
CSM Prop 1
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.05 23:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 05/01/2011 13:46:33
Originally by: Corian Teranos
If you're still not sure about this then watch Facebook Intelligence-Links
Looks like a criminal conspiracy to me. Since it's the American government, however, they get away with it. But seeing this, I can only urge everyone to boycot facebook.
i lol'd at this vid on facebook... and i lol'd at the reaction of people on this forum about that vid! are people really so dumb as to not realise this stuff goes on??
i guess people THINK that if they make a facebook profile with their name and email address, the CIA and corporate companies will magically know their social security number, full bank account details, sexual deficiencies, plus any and every thought you may have ever had that could be considered non Politically Correct(non-PC). THIS ISNT SO!
yes they cross reference from other sources but they can only know what you tell them. and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.
The measure of success, with regard to Facebook gathering information about you, which you did not yourself provide, could perhaps be said to be somewhat limited; but the intent to do so is downright disturbing. Especially when goverment agencies lile CIA and FBI are involved. It's one thing that Facebook reads your private communication, so they can tailer-push ads on you. But a whole social network, backed and funded by US government agencies, apparently created for the sole purpose of gathering intel on people, well, that's a criminal conspiracy in my book.
Did I not realize this was going on? No, actually. I knew it was bad; but this is downright unacceptable. Funny you should mention 'going on,' btw, as the latter, of course, is something we can do something about. Namely, by not using Facebook; and to urge others to do the same.
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Soden Rah
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.01.05 23:22:00 -
[104]
Not wanting to get in the middle of a rather entertaining argument, helpfully keeping this thread nice and visible, but... While I personally dislike Facebook (as do many others as demonstrated here) this is not a referendum on the merits of Facebook per say. Claiming it is a spying tool for the CIA whether true or not is not giving us the credability I was aiming for.
I, as a subscription paying customer of CCP simply want to be able to participate in an eve related competition without having to join any third party website good or bad. The fact that many people have a deep and well founded dislike of Facebook just adds insult to injury.
I don't care why CCP decided to host the vote on Facebook. I don't care if itÆs a publicity exercise in getting more customers, or they are just too lazy to code their own voting mechanism... Whatever their reason, I believe that not giving us the option of using in house voting without having to join a third party website is wrong.
I created this thread to convey this opinion to CCP and see if anyone else agreed.
I am deeply gratified that not only do a good number of people agree but are prepared to take the time to post in this thread in support.
Given that I would like to suggest that CCP
A) Responds to explain themselves, and
B) Gives us the ability to vote on the many well designed spaceships their customers have spent many hours on producing without having to join Facebook (preferably with an extension to the voting period to allow for the time they take to rectify this oversight).
I don't expect to get either of those so I hope that you will all continue to support this thread till they do.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Deperem Mac
Amarr Space Purification
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Posted - 2011.01.06 00:12:00 -
[105]
I 100% agree with the OP. Forcing us to use facebook was a bad, and actually rather insulting, move, in my opinion. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.06 00:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
Originally by: Windjammer
SubscriberÆs to EVE, current customers of CCP, pay for EVE. They pay with the expectation that they will have access to everything in EVE without further requirements from CCP.
-Windjammer
firstly, how about you dont bold and underline a personal opinion of the state of all eve's subscribers assumptions unless you've polled such a thing and linked it with proper citation. ESPECIALLY when its done in such a way as to appear like a proven fact!
How about I post the way I choose, you refrain from directing me and generally cool your jets. You seem to be getting a little excited.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
i would love access to eve onlines source-code but i dont think im gonna get it!
You donÆt need source code to discern common sense.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
secondly, thats all fair and well in a fair and just world where every1 is truthfull and mindfull of everyone else... but look around you... millions's die for no reason at all... billions are taken advantage of because they can be, and most arent even aware of these because they dont enter our daily lives. if u wanna complain to CCP about doing things you didnt expect them to do and find out that you cannot bring them to account, then i suggest you take a look at yourself at how trusting u are to EULA's u blindly accept.
YouÆre arguing rights under the law. IÆm arguing ethics and customer relations/public relations. Your argument is that people are taken advantage of and as long as itÆs legal, itÆs okay. Or if you can get away with it, itÆs okay. Given that, I can understand why youÆre having difficulty understanding peoples objection to Facebook or what CCP has done here with Facebook.
IÆm not arguing rights or law. If CCP wanted to hold the votes for the CSM entirely and exclusively on Facebook, they could do it. ItÆs their right and it would be legal. If CCP wanted to charge for each expansion, they could do it. ItÆs their right and it would be legal. Why donÆt they do these things? The first is not that large a stretch. The second isnÆt such a large stretch when you consider how they make such big deal out of the expansions being free. The answer is simple. Customer feedback would be negative and of large volume.
CCP wants feedback from customers. TheyÆve publicly stated it any number of times. WeÆre customers and this is our feedback.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
but of course u can always use the scapegoat of being part of a society annoyed at long teadious "terms of agreement" that always find their ways into software installations, and the compultion to ignore it and just click "accept".
assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, and it seems that you're very much hurting from disregarding that fact.
Seems youÆre the one making assumptions and fairly careless ones at that.
-Windjammer
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.01.06 01:53:00 -
[107]
signed
I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I'm a machine! And I can know much more. |
Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.06 02:28:00 -
[108]
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2011.01.06 05:13:00 -
[109]
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2011.01.06 05:22:00 -
[110]
More info is needed on this subject before there's any reason to oppose this decision.
The main piece of info I need is whether or not they use a facebook app for voting that accesses your data. I specifically avoid any apps on facebook that does this for obvious reasons, and if it was like this, then I would understand completely.
Otherwise, if it's just using facebook to join a group or click "like" on some subject, then it's not that big of a deal imo...
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.06 05:50:00 -
[111]
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
Good to know. Thank you for the information.
Best regards,
Windjammer
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.06 06:56:00 -
[112]
Trying to get advertisement for free on the expanse of the EVE community? Baaaad idea.
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Qolde
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.06 07:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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cerberus 01
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Posted - 2011.01.06 07:40:00 -
[114]
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
my condolences then, i have dealt with marketing departments before and have found they can be very frustrating to deal with, so focussed on new gimicks and yet blind to current customers.
if they think forcing eve players to sign up to other companies software is a good idea to drum up attention, they should just go all the way and require eve players to sign up for wow trial accounts in order to vote for eve content, then maybe 10 million new people will get introduced to eve, might sound good to the marketing dept on paper but sounds rediculous to many of us.
no i wouldn't roll a fake blood elf in order to vote then not touch it ever again, and not a fake facebook entitiy either.
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Clementina
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.06 10:01:00 -
[115]
I have no interest in interacting with facebook for any particular thing. The voting should be through the Eve Online website, or even better, the game client.
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Kolimara
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Posted - 2011.01.06 11:10:00 -
[116]
Quote:
I use FB and I have no plans to vote through FB.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 11:11:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Soden Rah
Not wanting to get in the middle of a rather entertaining argument, helpfully keeping this thread nice and visible, but... While I personally dislike Facebook (as do many others as demonstrated here) this is not a referendum on the merits of Facebook per say. Claiming it is a spying tool for the CIA whether true or not is not giving us the credability I was aiming for.
Well, it's not 'us' who need the credibility, but the voting system. And right now, I say Facebook has none. In that light I say the topic of Facebook's trustworthiness is more than relevant.
As has been said before, CCP should of course have used EVE Gate, or another in-game voting mechanism. If for nothing else, because it would have allowed only EVE subscribers to vote. But, as the guy from CSM divulged, choosing Facebook was a commercially motivated decision; and greed has a tendency to take the place of common sense.
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Dasola
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Posted - 2011.01.06 12:21:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kolimara
Quote:
I use FB and I have no plans to vote through FB.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 13:37:00 -
[119]
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.
in actual fact it was you who started the whole assumption fiasco when u wrongly accused me of being a CCP staff member, waaaay wrong m8! unlucky!
plus talking as if you're feeling wronged in some way because u need to sign up to a random free website to take part in a vote on artwork that wont see the light of day in eve for a hell of a long time, if not ever!
ive voted and made a fake facebook profile and you want to know why? not because i particularly want to see any of those ships in eve, and not so i can have a small temper tantrum when it doesnt happen, then threaten CCP with cancelling my million or so subscriptions. But because i appreciate the time taken by all of those guys and girls who spent cumulative hours that im sure turned to days creating their own 3d masterpieces.
i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.
bt thats just me!
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Nader Bombsalot
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:11:00 -
[120]
Unequivocally yes.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:19:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 06/01/2011 14:26:50
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.
Yup, you did say it first. :) No contest.
Quote:
i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.
It's not the amount of minutes it takes to create a Facebook account, but what that account stands for, and the people behind it.
Respect, you say? Funny thing about that: respect is a two-way street; if CCP wanted us to show our appreciation for the makers of those models, than they should have respected their userbase enough to use a reputable voting system (like their own). Not the fault of the ship designers, of course. At the same time I'm not gonna jeopardize my own online security by creating a Facebook account, just so I can show appreciation elsewhere.
Someone at CCP was drooling over the Facebook hype, and, at that point, became totally unreasonable, seeing only the dollar signs in his own eyes, and becoming purposely deaf to the more than reasonable objections people might have against Facebook, and why an in-game voting system would have been much better. That's also not the fault of the ship designers. But it ain't mine either.
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Major Kaboomski
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 -
[122]
Kaboom!
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hakkiew365
Muffin Munchers
Muffy Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 -
[123]
signed
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Soden Rah
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:56:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Soden Rah on 06/01/2011 14:57:48
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this Facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for Facebook right now.
Thank you for posting this, and I welcome the CSM's position on this issue.
I have no issue with CCP advertising on Facebook, or anywhere else for that matter.
I DO have an issue with them making eve related content ONLY available via third party websites. If CCP wanted to advertise eve and/or this competition on Facebook then thatÆs fine, BUT the voting should have happened ONLY on CCP's own websites and the Facebook adds should simply have directed people here.
If CCP's decision was purely a marketing and PR one, which they have every intention of repeating I would hope we can make it clear that this is unacceptable, and that a petition like this WILL appear EVERY time they outsource eve content.
I would hope that the CSM would bring this issue back up with CCP with the added ammunition of having a large and p****d off player base behind them.
EDIT: for grammar
__________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2011.01.06 17:02:00 -
[125]
Signed.
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Bhaal Chinnian
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Posted - 2011.01.06 18:45:00 -
[126]
I dunno if this has been mentioned before, but why not just add a voting feature to EveGate since it is Eves in-house Social Network? I will go back to scratching my manly chin now ty. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.07 03:38:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
As with my original post on this thread, even before a CSM came on and told u i was correct about this, its a marketing strategy to increase eve onlines visibility to non eve-players. and yet again Windjammer your remarks fall short of the obvious point of this strategy so give it a rest.
Someone said you were the first to point this out. Posts 32, 48, 53 and 58 of this thread made comments before you regarding the marketing aspect of CCPÆs scheme. I suspect the majority of others who have posted on this thread already knew it was a marketing scheme and felt it obvious enough not to warrant comment. I donÆt believe anyone on this thread has contested that point. People arenÆt opposed to getting new subscribers for EVE or to having CCP make more money. TheyÆre opposed to the way CCP is doing it. The end does not justify the means.
Did you happen to catch the part where TeaDaze mentions the CSMÆs position on this? Perhaps youÆve notice that 97 people have supported the OPÆs proposal within the space of a week. IÆd be hard pressed to recall such a massive thumbs up in such a short time for any other proposal.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
in actual fact it was you who started the whole assumption fiasco when u wrongly accused me of being a CCP staff member, waaaay wrong m8! unlucky!
plus talking as if you're feeling wronged in some way because u need to sign up to a random free website to take part in a vote on artwork that wont see the light of day in eve for a hell of a long time, if not ever!
Incorrect. In point of fact I suggested your post had the smell of a CCP staffer, not that you actually were a CCP staffer. Your posts still do. We have only your word for it that youÆre not. However, I wonÆt press the point with you. CCP staffer or groveling sycophant, it makes little difference. Your position is what it is.
Originally by: Gee****zle MacCloud
ive voted and made a fake facebook profile and you want to know why? not because i particularly want to see any of those ships in eve, and not so i can have a small temper tantrum when it doesnt happen, then threaten CCP with cancelling my million or so subscriptions. But because i appreciate the time taken by all of those guys and girls who spent cumulative hours that im sure turned to days creating their own 3d masterpieces.
i personally feel that spending 15 minutes or less making a fake facebook profile, liking eve's facebook group and voting for 3 ship designs i like best shows respect and credit where credits due on good honest hard and skillfull work, regardless of CCP's inability to respect their player base.
to me this is about appreciating the content creators in this contest not using it as a massive workhorse to say f**k you CCP.
bt thats just me!
First you call us narrow minded, then ignorant and now youÆre trying to guilt us into going to Facebook because weÆre hurting the artists involved? Where is your anger at CCP for creating a situation the artists couldnÆt have anticipated? This was CCPÆs doing, not ours. Telling us we should join Facebook, something many of us are vigorously opposed to, for the sake of the artists is an absurd and slightly desperate argument.
You seem to have a sense of what CCPÆs rights are. What about consumer rights? What about the rights of the artists who have been used in this fashion? No, not necessarily legal rights, but ethical ones and rights all the same. Subscribers are not obligated to give up their rights in order to correct a wrong CCP has committed.
As youÆve seen in this thread, there are many reasons people do not wish to use Facebook. CCP has miscalculated this situation. They may indeed get some free advertising out of this, but theyÆre also gaining the anger of customers they already have.
This is not a ôtemper tantrumö, as you put it. It is customer feedback. Something most companies crave and CCP has specifically asked for.
-Windjammer
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Jonathan Caldar
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Posted - 2011.01.07 10:51:00 -
[128]
I am very dissapointed by CCP not allowing Customers to vote on other sites than Facebook.
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Turelus
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2011.01.07 11:32:00 -
[129]
Agreed.
I have a facebook account but I think it's unfair asking those who don't have/want one to join up to vote for something they care about.
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Ataxio
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Posted - 2011.01.07 20:18:00 -
[130]
Due to my intense hate towards social networking, I'm going to have to give my support here. There will be no installing of software and or account activation through 3rd party's just to vote on an EvE ship.
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Marak Mocam
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Posted - 2011.01.08 00:53:00 -
[131]
(tl;dr - Why the hell didn't they use EVE Gate and send/receive feeds with Facebook?!?)
I really don't get it. EVE Gate was this big deal about "social networking" they put together and it wasn't used for this. Facebook allows feeds so even a "hack job" to parse results from Facebook should have worked and taken little development time to implement.
No concerns about using Facebook, a good use for the effort invested in creating EVE Gate and marcom gets a new set of toys to play with PLUS gets to hype EVE Gate if they so choose. Same end-results but more participation from the user community -AND- the ability to use the same mechanism to pipe things to and from Facebook/EVE Gate in the future.
It seems to be a lame decision by the Marketing group and a missed opportunity.
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vikari
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.08 03:08:00 -
[132]
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Valuv
Raven and Griffon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.08 11:43:00 -
[133]
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Joss56
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.08 11:44:00 -
[134]
Do you realy care of some **** social network where you have hundreds of "cyber frineds" that will never be there for you?
If you are realy "social" person, then you go out and meet people IRL. Not in that **** just good enough to change sexual adresses.
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"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:00:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Windjammer on 08/01/2011 20:04:19
Originally by: Joss56
Do you realy care of some **** social network where you have hundreds of "cyber frineds" that will never be there for you?
If you are realy "social" person, then you go out and meet people IRL. Not in that **** just good enough to change sexual adresses.
Ummmàààà.you seem to be against having to use Facebook. This thread is a proposal protesting the use of Facebook in voting for art intended for EVE.
How about a thumbs up supporting the proposal? There's a little check box for that when you post.
Regards,
Windjammer
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Joshawu Minden
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:30:00 -
[136]
So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results? With EVE-Gate CCP has some measure of control there.
And you can believe me when I say that I know some folks that have multiple accounts so they can cheat at... Farmville.  |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.08 21:12:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Joshawu Minden
So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results? With EVE-Gate CCP has some measure of control there.
And you can believe me when I say that I know some folks that have multiple accounts so they can cheat at... Farmville.
I donÆt think this causes CCP any concern. The primary purpose of arranging the voting to be done exclusively on Facebook is to market their game to people who arenÆt playing it. Of course, if people are creating fake Facebook accounts to vote, it defeats the marketing purpose.
So, angering current customers, effectively barring a section of the EVE populace from voting, opening up voting to non-EVE people and now a point is made which completely voids any semblance of validity the voting might have had at all. This was supposed to have been a fun contest. It appears to be failing on multiple levels.
Regards,
Windjammer
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ViolenTUK
Demolition Men
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Posted - 2011.01.08 21:17:00 -
[138]
I will never use facebook.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2011.01.08 23:11:00 -
[139]
I don't just not like Facebook. I have experience with it, and I can say firsthand that there are few places on the internet more annoying or confusing than that website. Don't use Myspace either, that one is arguably slightly worse.
I wish I could give this more thumbs up, but I guess one will have to do.
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Fuyu'no Kiri
Beauvoir-Bourdieu
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:50:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Fuyu''no Kiri on 09/01/2011 01:54:01
The reasons why I dislike and distrust anything facebook-and-friends-related are mine, so I won't list them, but they are many.
The reasons why CCP decided to drive this contest only through facebook are their, and I don't care.
The fact is that a lot of us are obviously upset by this move, and I feel particularly sorry for the people who spent so many hours designing those 47 great hulls --- as in "numerous unpaid work hours", yes --- that their work ends up in such a trashcan. In fact, I haven't even cared to take a look at them since this "facebook account mandatory" condition was stated.
Possible alternatives have already been stated in this thread.
Also, Mister MacCloud, you've stated that you don't see anything wrong with the way this contest is held, which is just fine. But your trying to argument indifinetly with other people is getting annoying and, I feel, quite insulting. Windjammer, if you will please stop feeding the troll.
Originally by: Jasdemi
That CCP employee who decided to use Failbook to vote MUST be fired immediately.
I'd rather go with a good spanking. The whole department.
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
I'm not even using EVE Gate because it's just another stupid social web thinggy,
I personnaly find it really helpful to handle evemails outside of the game client.
Originally by: Gee-willbeblocked-zle MacCloud
and seriously if you are not surfing the web with sufficient up to date virus software and anti-malware/spyware software then ur a complete fool and should expect your emails to be hacked, your digital identity to be stolen and your bank accounts to be drained of funds illegally.
Since there's no such thing as hacking the plain text stream an email is, I take it you're not familiar enough with network security to even care to have you know how not familiar you are with network security.
Originally by: TeaDaze
We (CSM5) argued against this facebook only voting system but in the end this is a marketing driven decision and CCP have a hard on for facebook right now.
It's always great to get CSM's opinion, thanks. And please, tread on the toes of the person who decided that it would be facebook-only when you see him/her ;-P
Originally by: Joshawu Minden
So who's gonna stop the folks who decide to create >9K fake facebook accounts to influence the results?
Don't hint me too much, please... ten years ago, a group of friends and I got the whole IP range of our university banned from a charity website in such a way. It was the "1M clicks in a fortnight and we'll dig X wells in africa" kind of stuff. We elaborated and nohup'ed wget loop based shell scripts (with a slight sleep, we're not animals ;-) on every single machine we had access to --- and there was plenty of it. They nearly got their quorum in 2 days. (For the record, they banned us but didn't discard our "clicks" ;-)
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hired goon
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:53:00 -
[141]
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Soden Rah
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.01.09 13:44:00 -
[142]
Bump. because this is important and shouldn't slip off the CSM's / CCP's radar.
__________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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T' Elk
Unlawful Combatants
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Posted - 2011.01.09 18:23:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
/Signed
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A verbis ad verbera - From words to blows |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.10 07:54:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Fuyu'no Kiri
Windjammer, if you will please stop feeding the troll.
Why do you assume IÆm feeding him?
-Windjammer
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Velocifero
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Posted - 2011.01.10 13:20:00 -
[145]
I also thought this when going to vote. It pains me to admit that I do indeed care less about the addition of a new starship than losing another minute of my precious life to that site. It really doesn't need yet another reason to pervade popular culture like the common denominatorial rash that it is.
Yes, I use facebook, yes I use it to ***** and whine about my 1062 friends (i hate them all, and know even less) but please keep EVE sacred like the precious gem of unadulterated wonderfullness that it is.
It is the subscribers of EVE who sponsor EVE, not some pushy door-to-door salesman's wetdream.
Thanks :)
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SerratedX
Malevolence.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 14:56:00 -
[146]
**** Facebook
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OC 2av2
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Posted - 2011.01.10 19:30:00 -
[147]
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Damagran
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.10 19:54:00 -
[148]
I have to agree with this.
CCP you are wrong on this one, We heard great stories at Fanfest about EVE Gate, your interest in mobile platforms and linking it all together. You show great visions about technology and where CCP wants to go and then you go to Facebook for this. Act like the technological leaders you claim to be. Facebook to advertise, sure. Facebook for what should be inherent CCP....not so good.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.11 02:38:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Damagran
I have to agree with this.
CCP you are wrong on this one, We heard great stories at Fanfest about EVE Gate, your interest in mobile platforms and linking it all together. You show great visions about technology and where CCP wants to go and then you go to Facebook for this. Act like the technological leaders you claim to be. Facebook to advertise, sure. Facebook for what should be inherent CCP....not so good.
There is no technology, no matter how profound, that cannot be screwed up by the marketing department.
Marketing departments should be in their own building away from everyone else. Their views should be heavily filtered and the lot of them kept on a short leash. TheyÆre necessary, but most of their ideas should be treated as something from someone just this side of a straight jacket. If not watched they go straight over to crazy.
Under no circumstances should they be permitted to roam freely without supervision. They are dangerous and those who are not trained in handling them should not try to. In extreme cases, TaserÆs are authorized.
Regards,
Windjammer
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Atacdad
Amarr Metalworks
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Posted - 2011.01.11 03:26:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Atacdad on 11/01/2011 03:26:25
I support this notion...no Facebook only events. EveGate is a much more appropriate venue (or at least it *should* be!). |
Erus Fatum
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Posted - 2011.01.11 04:45:00 -
[151]
Supported.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.11 06:41:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Erus Fatum
Supported.
You need to check the little box to give the thumbs up for support. It's right below the message box when you're composing your post.
-Windjammer
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Selena Iager
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:33:00 -
[153]
/Signed
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.11 17:48:00 -
[154]
Supported
I don't use FB either
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.12 07:29:00 -
[155]
This whole mania for Facebook advertising by the marketing divisions of various companies is reminiscent of the dot com frenzy before the bubble burst. People were convinced that anything to do with dot coms was a money maker. Then they discovered that there was so much of it going on that people filtered it or just couldnÆt get to it all. Burst bubble then, looking for a bursting bubble again.
-Windjammer
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Pingu
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.01.13 09:17:00 -
[156]
Supported.
:ccp: Just seem to be ****ing up even more than normal recently.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.15 08:43:00 -
[157]
I know the CSM has already argued with CCP about this, but wouldnÆt it be nice if they could speak them again about it? Maybe take a strongly supported proposal, this one, and use it to support the CSM agreement against using Facebook this way?
-Windjammer
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Alec Freeman
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2011.01.15 12:28:00 -
[158]
Signed. Not voting if it involves me setting up a FB account. Its not hard to make your own voting system CCP
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Enyeto Perah
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Posted - 2011.01.15 19:32:00 -
[159]
Signed!
Facebook is just for the dumbest of the dumb and all who use it should loose the right to live.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.15 19:41:00 -
[160]
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kassie kelmar
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Posted - 2011.01.15 20:31:00 -
[161]
Supported |
Amber Tristan
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 00:56:00 -
[162]
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Vantlor
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2011.01.17 10:55:00 -
[163]
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Apsidia
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:19:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Apsidia on 17/01/2011 14:21:16
Signed
I use another social site.
I don't use and I Do Not Want to use facebook.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:47:00 -
[165]
The ignorance being spewed in this thread is remarkable. Each one of you Facebook haters need to get over yourselves and then get a life...
That said I don't think CCP should have used Facebook to vote either. It was a method of getting more people exposed to EvE which I agree with but using a vote that should only be up to the players was the wrong way of doing it.
Sig.Learning skills vote. |
Enyeto Perah
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:23:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Enyeto Perah on 17/01/2011 18:23:00
Now that is ignorance...
So everyone who doesnt follow the horde like a sheep is an ignorant and doesnt have a life? Oh great, then i love to be an ignorant.
It's remarkable to see how scum spreads out... first H*tler, now Facebook!
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Velendil Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:32:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Velendil Soritenshi on 17/01/2011 18:33:58
Did I tell you that you are an idiot for not having a Facebook account? Nope...sure didn't...I don't give a damn if you have a Facebook account or not. I don't even give a damn if you are butthurt over not being able to vote but saying other people are idiots or fools for using any service you don't like is ignorant. Calling people the dumbest of the dumb and not deserving to live is ignorant not to mention assinine.
Try again fool.
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Soden Rah
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:05:00 -
[168]
Bump.
Still waiting for CCP to respond/apologise.
Also thanks to all those who have supported this issue.
__________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.01.18 18:19:00 -
[169]
Don't like to have more accounts :S
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Paskis Robinson
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 03:06:00 -
[170]
Absolutely won't use Facebook under any circumstances.
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Hydraulic Jack
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Posted - 2011.01.21 08:44:00 -
[171]
no. NO.
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Tir Arsil
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2011.01.21 12:32:00 -
[172]
I am strongly against requiring the use of a 3rd party data-mining and advertising-driven website just to tally voting on something that could be accomplished simply on CCP's own in-house website. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:20:00 -
[173]
I wonder if a CSM delegate might care to comment on the possibility of discussing this with CCP again?
-Windjammer
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Wolodymyr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:34:00 -
[174]
yeah F that noise
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:40:00 -
[175]
Bump
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Simarna
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Posted - 2011.02.21 18:13:00 -
[176]
/agree
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.02.21 22:13:00 -
[177]
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Aerich e'Kieron
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Posted - 2011.02.22 03:54:00 -
[178]
/signed
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Nyalnara
TAKAGI Corp
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:59:00 -
[179]
/signed
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Lord Gragert
Mercury Metal Mining
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Posted - 2011.02.22 10:41:00 -
[180]
I really have the social networking and blizz came up with, I don't want to see it here.
Rule 1. A fair fight is evidence of poor planning.
Rule 2. There is no such thing as overkill.
Rule 3. Pillage, then burn.
Rule 4. That which does not kill you, has made a tactical error.
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Terios Corvalis
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.02.22 13:13:00 -
[181]
Don't trust facebook, poor privacy policy.
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Ya Huei
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:14:00 -
[182]
Social media sites can't be trusted and shouldnt be used for anything.
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Youssef Daunch
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:24:00 -
[183]
Supported.
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:37:00 -
[184]
This doesn't make too much sense. CCP can invent another method but why shouldn't they use facebook? Facebook is a huge means of interacting with billions of people.
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Joshawu Minden
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Posted - 2011.03.04 08:00:00 -
[185]
bad marketing division. no donut.
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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 16:43:00 -
[186]
Ok, why oh why Facebook?
Have you given up on EVE-GATE?!?!?!?!
Improve eve-gate, don't give the evil dataminers at F-book anything!!!!
Supported motion.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.03.04 21:42:00 -
[187]
/me rages against facebook
/me throws rotten tomatoes at the screen while watching "the social network"
/me supports this thread
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Attaia
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Posted - 2011.03.06 02:32:00 -
[188]
Not much left to add. I don't have a problem with using failbook to vote, but forcing a failbook-only vote seemed unfair, as I don't intend to have an account there. |
Mulberry Eowyn
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:29:00 -
[189]
Total agreement , we already pay a monthly fee to play the game how much more do we have to be milked .
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:50:00 -
[190]
Incredibly obviously the right thing to do.
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