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chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.05 13:52:00 - [1] here we go again, new build, and no mac patch whatsoever. good thing the masstest is tomorrow. please fix
Morgenholt Blue	Posted - 2011.01.05 14:13:00 - [2] As far as I can see as of right now there is no patch for Windows either.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.05 14:26:00 - [3] there is a TQ to sisi patch available for pc
Alysseas Mac'larn	Posted - 2011.01.05 14:52:00 - [4] Originally by: chaosjj there is a TQ to sisi patch available for pc Get Windows.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Alysseas Mac'larn Originally by: chaosjj there is a TQ to sisi patch available for pc Get Windows. If you don't have anything usefull to say about the topic, then don't
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.05 19:59:00 - [6] CCP, you have found time to respond to other treads, why not this one? will mac have a patch before tomorrows test yes or no?

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.06 09:27:00 - [7] Originally by: chaosjj CCP, you have found time to respond to other treads, why not this one? will mac have a patch before tomorrows test yes or no? Good point, I simply never got around to this thread. I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, since we're currently fighting our Mac servers, trying to make them do what we want them to. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, we've been moving development branches over the holidays, and are in the process of setting up our automation to work with these new branches. However, it's not quite as straight forward as adding a new branch and starting a build; we're also implementing a new security policy on the system, upgrading the system to it's next major revision, and fighting the Mac servers to try and get them to successfully store the correct credentials to connect to a Windows based network. We're trying all we can, and I can assure you it's as much a frustration to us to change, as much as it is for you to not have a patch. Software Engineer Core Engineering

Aedeal	Posted - 2011.01.06 09:52:00 - [8] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: chaosjj CCP, you have found time to respond to other treads, why not this one? will mac have a patch before tomorrows test yes or no? Good point, I simply never got around to this thread. I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, since we're currently fighting our Mac servers, trying to make them do what we want them to. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, we've been moving development branches over the holidays, and are in the process of setting up our automation to work with these new branches. However, it's not quite as straight forward as adding a new branch and starting a build; we're also implementing a new security policy on the system, upgrading the system to it's next major revision, and fighting the Mac servers to try and get them to successfully store the correct credentials to connect to a Windows based network. We're trying all we can, and I can assure you it's as much a frustration to us to change, as much as it is for you to not have a patch. Right, but now I don't care particularly about not having a patch, since I know it's on the radar and wasn't that 'We weren't aware of this issue' as I got with the last bug report ;) A little more info would be much appreciated by us mac people, we're too familiar with being blanked off as 'those posh minority of idiots that don't use windows' and have a tendency to take silence as a lack of caring.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.06 11:20:00 - [9] Heh, I can go into a lot more detail, since it's driving us up the wall. We're currently fighting the Xserve blades we've got; they only have a command line interface, and so things such as creating new users, modifying passwords and connecting to Windows network shares become non trivial. We've also an incredibly frustrating issue with them, whereby you _have_ to have an active user session on them AT ALL TIMES to be able to execute hdiutil, which makes automating build requests for any hour of the day complicated. We're intimately aware of how frustrating it is to release Windows patches and clients for builds, and to have the Mac ones left waiting, but there's very little we can do when everything we have to do on the Mac servers requires us to fight them tooth and nail. I'm sure some of you will feel creeped out when I say that every administration task is actually easier to do on the Windows portion of our cluster. Software Engineer Core Engineering

chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.06 11:53:00 - [10] I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, great, bye bye 2 million sp....


CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.06 11:57:00 - [11] Originally by: chaosjj Originally by: CCP Atropos I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, great, bye bye 2 million sp.... Uhoh, you caught me; it was all a ruse to keep you from getting those 2 million skill points Software Engineer Core Engineering

chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.06 13:39:00 - [12] funny :\|
Alysseas Mac'larn	Posted - 2011.01.06 15:13:00 - [13] Originally by: chaosjj Originally by: Alysseas Mac'larn Originally by: chaosjj there is a TQ to sisi patch available for pc Get Windows. If you don't have anything usefull to say about the topic, then don't WHAT are you talking about, if you got windows, you'd be all set... ... It's totally useful, gawd
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.06 16:31:00 - [14] I did not buy a mac to install windows on it.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.07 17:22:00 - [15] another new build, no mac client. still having issues?

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.07 18:05:00 - [16] Originally by: chaosjj another new build, no mac client. still having issues? Yes. Software Engineer Core Engineering

Major Kaboomski	Posted - 2011.01.08 00:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Major Kaboomski on 08/01/2011 00:37:32 Originally by: CCP Atropos Good point, I simply never got around to this thread. I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, since we're currently fighting our Mac servers, trying to make them do what we want them to. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, we've been moving development branches over the holidays, and are in the process of setting up our automation to work with these new branches. However, it's not quite as straight forward as adding a new branch and starting a build; we're also implementing a new security policy on the system, upgrading the system to it's next major revision, and fighting the Mac servers to try and get them to successfully store the correct credentials to connect to a Windows based network. We're trying all we can, and I can assure you it's as much a frustration to us to change, as much as it is for you to not have a patch. Originally by: CCP Atropos Heh, I can go into a lot more detail, since it's driving us up the wall. We're currently fighting the Xserve blades we've got; they only have a command line interface, and so things such as creating new users, modifying passwords and connecting to Windows network shares become non trivial. We've also an incredibly frustrating issue with them, whereby you _have_ to have an active user session on them AT ALL TIMES to be able to execute hdiutil, which makes automating build requests for any hour of the day complicated. We're intimately aware of how frustrating it is to release Windows patches and clients for builds, and to have the Mac ones left waiting, but there's very little we can do when everything we have to do on the Mac servers requires us to fight them tooth and nail. I'm sure some of you will feel creeped out when I say that every administration task is actually easier to do on the Windows portion of our cluster. CCP: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Mac users: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Edit: On a second thought, just abandon Apple users, they can use Wine like Linux users. Shouldn't be too hard.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.08 00:43:00 - [18] ^^^^ ignore
Major Kaboomski	Posted - 2011.01.08 01:18:00 - [19] Originally by: chaosjj ^^^^ ignore You must be a mac user
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Major Kaboomski Originally by: chaosjj ^^^^ ignore You must be a mac user FYI Dev's life isnt an easer one, and this thread sorta proves it Multiple replys and spending time talking to ya might wanna show a bit more respect mmmkay? _________________________________ Looking for cool pilots, check our advert

chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.08 10:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Major Kaboomski Originally by: chaosjj ^^^^ ignore You must be a mac user ofcourse i am i mac user, why would i otherwise post about mac patches?

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.08 13:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Captian Conrad Originally by: Major Kaboomski Originally by: chaosjj ^^^^ ignore You must be a mac user FYI Dev's life isnt an easer one, and this thread sorta proves it Multiple replys and spending time talking to ya might wanna show a bit more respect mmmkay? I'm about to head in on a Saturday morning to try and fix the general patching issues our branch move has caused and I think CCP Sputnik was going to do the same and work on the Mac machines. Software Engineer Core Engineering

Daenna Chrysi Amarr Psychedelic Party lNERVl	Posted - 2011.01.08 15:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Major Kaboomski Edited by: Major Kaboomski on 08/01/2011 00:37:32 CCP: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Mac users: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Edit: On a second thought, just abandon Apple users, they can use Wine like Linux users. Shouldn't be too hard. ROFL, Macintosh machines have an official UNIX cert. The reaction of microsoft was to come up with their own cert and the hype about how they matched it perfectly. Like holding your own special Olympics where only you get to participate in, and then loudly declaring how you hold Olympic gold.
Skullet4000 Caldari Monkeytech	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:49:00 - [24] Edited by: Skullet4000 on 08/01/2011 17:49:43 Originally by: Daenna Chrysi Originally by: Major Kaboomski Edited by: Major Kaboomski on 08/01/2011 00:37:32 CCP: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Mac users: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Edit: On a second thought, just abandon Apple users, they can use Wine like Linux users. Shouldn't be too hard. ROFL, Macintosh machines have an official UNIX cert. The reaction of microsoft was to come up with their own cert and the hype about how they matched it perfectly. Like holding your own special Olympics where only you get to participate in, and then loudly declaring how you hold Olympic gold. Well thats it then, we should probably just abandon our Windows machines as they don't have an official UNIX Cert, even though Windows does have a working Sisi client and the largest software library known to man, without an official UNIX Cert the public will never take it seriously and it'll surely fail.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.08 21:18:00 - [25] Mac users make up a considerable portion of our player base, and it's nothing but flippancy to suggest we just do away with our offering of a Mac client. The issues that we run into during the course of creating a new client for any platform generates feelings of frustration for both the developers and end users, regardless of what platform it's on. TLDR; we're trying our best to resolve these issues, and we will fix them. We also thank you for bearing with us, through this interlude, and thank you for your continued support. Software Engineer Core Engineering

Brennivargur	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:34:00 - [26] No chance of bringing back official Linux support?
Daenna Chrysi Amarr Psychedelic Party lNERVl	Posted - 2011.01.09 11:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Skullet4000 Edited by: Skullet4000 on 08/01/2011 17:49:43 Well thats it then, we should probably just abandon our Windows machines as they don't have an official UNIX Cert, even though Windows does have a working Sisi client and the largest software library known to man, without an official UNIX Cert the public will never take it seriously and it'll surely fail. nah, not necessary nor even possible. Just pointing out that Windows only looks good when the race is rigged to its favor, and no one else has a chance of participating.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.09 11:42:00 - [28] Originally by: chaosjj I did not buy a mac to install windows on it. Why did you buy it?
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:04:00 - [29] Because i've used mac for as long as i use computers.
Major Kaboomski	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:14:00 - [30] Originally by: chaosjj Because i've used mac for as long as i use computers. I feel your pain.

Kami Lincoln Amarr Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Major Kaboomski Edited by: Major Kaboomski on 08/01/2011 00:37:32 Originally by: CCP Atropos Good point, I simply never got around to this thread. I doubt that there will be a patch available in time for the masstest tomorrow, since we're currently fighting our Mac servers, trying to make them do what we want them to. As I mentioned in another thread yesterday, we've been moving development branches over the holidays, and are in the process of setting up our automation to work with these new branches. However, it's not quite as straight forward as adding a new branch and starting a build; we're also implementing a new security policy on the system, upgrading the system to it's next major revision, and fighting the Mac servers to try and get them to successfully store the correct credentials to connect to a Windows based network. We're trying all we can, and I can assure you it's as much a frustration to us to change, as much as it is for you to not have a patch. Originally by: CCP Atropos Heh, I can go into a lot more detail, since it's driving us up the wall. We're currently fighting the Xserve blades we've got; they only have a command line interface, and so things such as creating new users, modifying passwords and connecting to Windows network shares become non trivial. We've also an incredibly frustrating issue with them, whereby you _have_ to have an active user session on them AT ALL TIMES to be able to execute hdiutil, which makes automating build requests for any hour of the day complicated. We're intimately aware of how frustrating it is to release Windows patches and clients for builds, and to have the Mac ones left waiting, but there's very little we can do when everything we have to do on the Mac servers requires us to fight them tooth and nail. I'm sure some of you will feel creeped out when I say that every administration task is actually easier to do on the Windows portion of our cluster. CCP: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple **. Mac users: Get Windows, stop paying for Apple . Edit: On a second thought, just abandon Apple users, they can use Wine like Linux users. Shouldn't be too hard. You know, all I ever hear is how Mac users are always being Aholes and blah blah blah. But all I ever see is Windows fanbois complaining about Mac's/Mac users when they should really just worry about their PC issue's. You don't like Mac's, good for you. You have a PC, good for you. Why does the fact that we have Mac's bother you so much? As for the topic, I would much like to see a new Sisi download for Mac's so I don't have to wait 5 minutes to boot my PC up. But take your time CCP, we can wait.
Ildryn do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Kami Lincoln As for the topic, I would much like to see a new Sisi download for Mac's so I don't have to wait 5 minutes to boot my PC up. But take your time CCP, we can wait. Spend as much on a pc as you did that mac and you won't be waiting 5 minutes. I run a quad-core 4gig mem 1gig vid and take less than a full minute to start playing any game currently installed. Cost me $875 the 22 inch flat screen i got a $150 rebate on. so a total of under $1000 Outperforms a mac in every way that i use it for. I am a gamer. I also have a much larger choice of games to play on my pc. I suppose i could spend almost double on a mac and download windows so i can enjoy the same games.
Daenna Chrysi Amarr Psychedelic Party lNERVl	Posted - 2011.01.11 10:24:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Atropos I'm sure some of you will feel creeped out when I say that every administration task is actually easier to do on the Windows portion of our cluster. I think this is because you are cramming windows code to be used in macs, it would probably be easier if there were native code for mac instead of using cider.
Eoka	Posted - 2011.01.11 14:01:00 - [34] The whole Mac vs Windows debate is quite ridiculous, some people prefer Mac, some Windows, other Linux but ..... For all those Windows fans that keep thinking Macs are the worst; Mac's are very powerful when compared to there Windows alternatives, for instance the latest Macbook Pro would be hard to match with a Windows machine even if you spent the same amount as you would on a Mac. There's very few Windows laptop's with integrated memory controllers, there's also very little Windows laptops with multiple graphic cards in them (but all Mac laptops have them as standard) and the build quality of a aluminium laptop vs something made from plastic lego pieces is quite noticeable. Mac OS X is also one of the only commercial operating systems that focusses more on performance over features. Just because a Windows machine has a slightly better specification doesnt mean its anywhere near the powers of its Mac counterparts, Mac's cost a lot for a reason there build quality and components would blow any Windows machine out of the water.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:38:00 - [35] Any luck with the problems CCP?
Skullet4000 Caldari Monkeytech	Posted - 2011.01.11 19:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Skullet4000 on 11/01/2011 19:22:09 Edited by: Skullet4000 on 11/01/2011 19:21:21 Originally by: Eoka The whole Mac vs Windows debate is quite ridiculous, some people prefer Mac, some Windows, other Linux but ..... For all those Windows fans that keep thinking Macs are the worst; Mac's are very powerful when compared to there Windows alternatives, for instance the latest Macbook Pro would be hard to match with a Windows machine even if you spent the same amount as you would on a Mac. There's very few Windows laptop's with integrated memory controllers, there's also very little Windows laptops with multiple graphic cards in them (but all Mac laptops have them as standard) and the build quality of a aluminium laptop vs something made from plastic lego pieces is quite noticeable. Mac OS X is also one of the only commercial operating systems that focusses more on performance over features. Just because a Windows machine has a slightly better specification doesnt mean its anywhere near the powers of its Mac counterparts, Mac's cost a lot for a reason there build quality and components would blow any Windows machine out of the water. Meanwhile back here in reality... Every Windows Laptop with an AMD CPU or an Intel Core ix series CPU has an integrated memory controller, its on the CPU duh, and pre Core ix Series it was in the Northbridge. Also can you point to any Mac laptop that has multiple graphics cards? Looking at Apple's current lineup seems to suggest they mostly use Nvidia 320M and 330M which are pretty cheap chipset GPU's that use shared memory. I'm not bagging Apple here they are good at what they do and as a result I own Apple products, but seriously if your going to try and troll at least have a slight clue.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.11 22:38:00 - [37] Edited by: chaosjj on 11/01/2011 22:38:36 The MAC vs PC discussion is pointless, the one will never convince the other, and both platform have their pro's/cons, regardless of the details. so can we please get back to the constructive conversation about the issue at hand?
Skullet4000 Caldari Monkeytech	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:10:00 - [38] Originally by: chaosjj Edited by: chaosjj on 11/01/2011 22:38:36 The MAC vs PC discussion is pointless, the one will never convince the other, and both platform have their pro's/cons, regardless of the details. so can we please get back to the constructive conversation about the issue at hand? Agreed, thats why I use both. I would argue this is also the best solution to the issue that your having here, I realise that you don't particularly want to run Windows on your Mac, but it would allow you to run Sisi until they sort out the Mac patching issue. Alternatively you could try running the PC client with Parallels or VMWare Fusion?
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:23:00 - [39] I don't think anyone has mentioned using Windows, you should probably try that. ...sorry, couldn't resist
tpwh21	Posted - 2011.01.12 10:46:00 - [40] any news on status of mac sisi patch?

chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.12 17:16:00 - [41] i presume we are going to miss tomorrows mass test too?
TimeDrawsNigh Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.12 17:21:00 - [42] Seems to be a new patch, although you can't go from the latest sisi version to the new one.. have to either do a TQ to sisi or download the full sisi build.
chaosjj	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:25:00 - [43] Edited by: chaosjj on 12/01/2011 18:26:23 Thx for the heads-up, my download of a fresh client almost complete, ill let you guys know if it works
Eoka	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Skullet4000 Meanwhile back here in reality... Every Windows Laptop with an AMD CPU or an Intel Core ix series CPU has an integrated memory controller, its on the CPU duh, and pre Core ix Series it was in the Northbridge. Also can you point to any Mac laptop that has multiple graphics cards? Looking at Apple's current lineup seems to suggest they mostly use Nvidia 320M and 330M which are pretty cheap chipset GPU's that use shared memory. I'm not bagging Apple here they are good at what they do and as a result I own Apple products, but seriously if your going to try and troll at least have a slight clue. Every Mac laptop has dual graphics card, a Nvidia 320 / 330 and an Intel GPU and the operating system switches between the two depending on the load. Sorry your right there, AMD has some CPUs with the integrated memory controller and then theres the rather recent Intel i7, Mac's have been capable of this for years. I wasn't trying to troll, just figured I would stick up for Mac's on a Mac thread since everyone replying on here seems to think people should just switch to Windows to get Eve working. Im not knocking Windows, its good at what it does, and Mac's are good at what Mac's do.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:02:00 - [45] Originally by: chaosjj Edited by: chaosjj on 12/01/2011 18:46:28 Edited by: chaosjj on 12/01/2011 18:26:23 Thx for the heads-up, my download of a fresh client almost complete, ill let you guys know if it works UPDATE: client succesfully mounted, and is working. Good to hear Software Engineer Core Engineering

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:51:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: chaosjj Thx for the heads-up, my download of a fresh client almost complete, ill let you guys know if it works UPDATE: client succesfully mounted, and is working. Good to hear ànow get those patches up and running! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki


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