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Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Culmen So it wasn't a tea bagger. Just a regular style whack job Funny how people ignorant of the actual statistics like to imply that Tea Party members are prone to violence when it's two radical leftist movements, animal rights and environmental extremists, who are responsible for almost all terroristic attacks in the US. Mostly targetting property. If you go by body count, it's Muslims of course. Dead last? Right wing extremists.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 00:47:28 Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Culmen So it wasn't a tea bagger. Just a regular style whack job Funny how people ignorant of the actual statistics like to imply that Tea Party members are prone to violence when it's two radical leftist movements, animal rights and environmental extremists, who are responsible for almost all terroristic attacks in the US. Mostly targetting property. If you go by body count, it's Muslims of course. Dead last? Right wing extremists. Who cares about the general statistics? We're talking about the details of *this specific attack*, where there are very good reasons to blame right-wing extremists. -----------
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, no reason to blame the conservatives on this... Yeah those terrible conservatives wishing her dead. Like this guy right here! Oh, wait again...
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Who cares about the general statistics? We're talking about the details of *this specific attack*, where there are very good reasons to blame right-wing extremists. You mean this guy who listed the Communist Manifesto as one of his favorite books? Oh yeah, a real right wing Teabagger he is! They're real big on Marx.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:51:00 - [35] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 00:52:27 Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yeah, no reason to blame the conservatives on this... Yeah those terrible conservatives wishing her dead. Like this guy right here! Oh, wait again... Do you honestly not see a difference between saying "she's dead to me" and using campaign ads with crosshairs over your "enemies" while advocating "second amendment solutions"? Can you really not see how one of these could encourage violence while one probably wouldn't? edit: Yep, purely a coincidence, no reason to blame conservative extremists. -----------
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:51:00 - [36] You know it's going to be a Republican shooting a Democrat, when will the profiling start? Delenda est achura.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:54:00 - [37] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 00:57:42 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Do you honestly not see a difference between saying "she's dead to me" and using campaign ads with crosshairs over your "enemies" while advocating "second amendment solutions"? Can you really not see how one of these could encourage violence while one probably wouldn't? Yeah it was just an innocent rant. That must be way DailyKos scrubbed it from their website earlier today. Abra Kadabra, and now it's gone! And it's funny -- I don't see anything in that image up there that calls for "second amentment solutions" to those races like you said above. Is it possible you gasp took one thing she said one place, and one thing she said somewhere else about something entirely unrelated, and... conveniently combined them together to form your own strawman narrative? No, surely you'd never do that!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Merin Ryskin Do you honestly not see a difference between saying "she's dead to me" and using campaign ads with crosshairs over your "enemies" while advocating "second amendment solutions"? Can you really not see how one of these could encourage violence while one probably wouldn't? Yeah it was just an innocent rant. That must be way DailyKos scrubbed it from their website earlier today. Abra Kadabra, and now it's gone! Oh FFS, why is this complicated? Can you really not see any reason to remove a story criticizing someone who was just shot in the head and nearly DIED besides "looking guilty"? Do ideas of "not the appropriate time" or "in poor taste" not mean anything to you? And let's not forget that Sarah Palin has pulled the crosshair image, so if deleting is a sign of guilt... -----------
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Merin Ryskin And let's not forget that Sarah Palin has pulled the crosshair image, so if deleting is a sign of guilt... Maybe you haven't heard, but that election is kind of over. Your side got hosed, remember? How long was she supposed to keep an out of date graphic up?
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Jada Maroo And it's funny -- I don't see anything in that image up there that calls for "second amentment solutions" to those races like you said above. Is it possible you gasp took one thing she said one place, and one thing she said somewhere else about something entirely unrelated, and... conveniently combined them together to form your own strawman narrative? Where did I say it was in the same image? And it's hardly "unrelated" when you're a member of a group that talks about "second amendment solutions" (as well as other hints of violent revolution) and use an image with crosshairs over your "enemies". Only an idiot could fail to see the general theme here. Quote: By the way, just so you don't dig yourself any deeper, it was Sharron Angle who coind the phrase second amentmend solution, and she used it in the same context as Thomas Jefferson would have. And your point is? Both are members of the same group, and neither has come out and said "this person does not represent my views or the views of the tea party, do not listen to her". PS: I'd say comparison with Jefferson's use is laughable and that the "oppression" the tea party is crying about is so much more trivial, but I guess we DID fight a war because we weren't happy about taxes... -----------

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Jada Maroo Maybe you haven't heard, but that election is kind of over. Your side got hosed, remember? Last time I checked, a major reason why the democrats lost was because they weren't liberal enough, and people like me didn't bother to vote for them. Quote: How long was she supposed to keep an out of date graphic up? So it's not at all a coincidence that it would stay up months after the election, and only get taken down when one of the people under those crosshairs actually got shot? I'm sure we all believe that today was the day it was scheduled to be removed (planned long ago), and today's events have nothing to do with that decision... -----------
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Sure, it's just a coincidence that he was a fan of the same "revolution against the 'oppressive' government" nonsense the tea party loves. Purely a coincidence that he shot someone who Sarah Palin (you know, a tea party leader) targeted in that campaign ad involving crosshairs over the "enemies". Purely a coincidence that he shot someone whose opponent in the last election organized a gun-range fundraiser to "remove" her. Yeah, no reason to blame the conservatives on this... You are still going on about Sarah Palin? Do you believe, putting an icon of a cross hair, in the general vicinity within the outline of a state border leads people to kill? Have you even seen the graphic? You honestly believe that the media and politicians have never used the term "target" or "crosshairs" before Sara Palin? Odd, that his classmates describe him as a leftist. Have you never been to a firing range? I shoot at bullseyes, not crosshairs. I guess, to you, a crosshair on on a map, is entirely different than bullseyes because this does not bother you. He was a fan against the government mind control, and government control of grammar. Only a moron could someone link that with any political party. Have you bought any guns lately? I hope someone is watching you.
Okie Wren	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:11:00 - [43] Edited by: Okie Wren on 09/01/2011 01:14:21 Someone hasn't learned that arguing with Merin is like challenging a brick wall to a fist fight, you're going to lose eventually. I also predict another emote coming along, people only use those when they think they're winning and Jada uses them every other post. Quote: You honestly believe that the media and politicians have never used the term "target" or "crosshairs" before Sara Palin? Odd, that his classmates describe him as a leftist. Have you never been to a firing range? I shoot at bullseyes, not crosshairs. The bullseye is the target and the crosshairs are used to aim with, it's like saying "I've got you in my sights". Merin was suggesting that the use of crosshairs on their own is nothing in itself, but paired with the phrase "second amendment solutions" gives it meaning.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Last time I checked, a major reason why the democrats lost was because they weren't liberal enough, and people like me didn't bother to vote for them. Oh, god, I sincerely hope they actually believe that and run with it.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:16:00 - [45] Originally by: baltec1 Why do people continue to give these nutjobs guns because when society permits civil freedoms, as it should, the society takes on certain responsibilities that some individuals cannot handle. it is an accepted risk. the phrase is cliche and often misused, but this is what that line 'freedom isn't free' is all about. certainly a tragic event. it's terrible when people turn to senseless violence i hope people whose political rhetoric includes hinting at this sort of thing being inevitable or acceptable think twice, we have too much divisive and hateful talk in this country. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 01:17:45 Originally by: Okie Wren I also predict another emote coming along, people only use those when they think they're winning and Jada uses them every other post. It's hard not to laugh at someone who stretches and contorts to such an extent when trying to debate that they actually take words from the mouth of one person, put them in the mouth of another, and tries to base their argument on it when they seemingly have no realization that they are even talking about two different people. So ya, I have a hard time taking him/her/it very seriously.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:17:00 - [47] The guy appears to be mentally disturbed. the-crazed-internet-rantings-of-jared-loughner I don't think either US political party can claim him. Plus one witness says he was just firing randomly. As for the gun control debate. Here's my bit of uber wisdom: Slaves don't have guns. That's the primary reason for allowing your citizens to possess firearms. It's probably going to take awhile before we find out why/how a mentally disturbed individual was in possession of a handgun with an extended clip. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Okie Wren	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Okie Wren on 09/01/2011 01:22:57 Originally by: Jada Maroo It's hard not to laugh at someone who stretches and contorts to such an extent when trying to debate that they actually take words from the mouth of one person, put them in the mouth of another, and tries to base their argument on it when they seemingly have no realization that they are even talking about two different people. So ya, I have a hard time taking him/her/it very seriously. To be honest it just makes you look smug. I mean would it kill you to be a little more humble? Quote: Except it's not paired with the phrase, and it was Sharron Angle who said it. But yeah, OTHER than the fact that the two were in no way related I can totally see the point you're making. Hey, I'm staying out of this one. I was just explaining it that other guy as Merin said it.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Do you believe, putting an icon of a cross hair, in the general vicinity within the outline of a state border leads people to kill? Have you even seen the graphic? When used as a part of a general trend of images suggesting violent revolution, do I think that it could lead someone who already has serious issues to do violent things? Yes. Quote: Odd, that his classmates describe him as a leftist. A classmate, from years ago, carries more weight than his current statements or the tea party propaganda encouraging violent actions, both in general and against the specific victim? Quote: Have you never been to a firing range? I shoot at bullseyes, not crosshairs. I guess, to you, a crosshair on on a map, is entirely different than bullseyes because this does not bother you. Oh FFS, really? It's totally innocent because instead of a bullseye target they put the view you'd see looking down the scope before killing someone? Are you really this desperate? Quote: He was a fan against the government mind control, and government control of grammar. Only a moron could someone link that with any political party. Funny how there's a high overlap between extremist conservative-libertarian tinfoil hatters and tea party membership... -----------
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Ademaro Imre Do you believe, putting an icon of a cross hair, in the general vicinity within the outline of a state border leads people to kill? Have you even seen the graphic? When used as a part of a general trend of images suggesting violent revolution, do I think that it could lead someone who already has serious issues to do violent things? Yes. A trend of images? Show the trend of images that leads to tiny icons.

Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:24:00 - [51] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 01:27:04 Originally by: Okie Wren To be honest it just makes you look smug. I mean would it kill you to be a little more humble? Why? I'm right, and the other poster can't even get their facts straight about who said what. If they won't pay me the courtesy of being informed, then they can deal with smugness when I have to waste my time correcting them. And I'm not going after you for this. Just explaining to you that I find willful ignorance annoying so I tend to adopt an attitude with people like that which is also annoying.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Have you never been to a firing range? I shoot at bullseyes, not crosshairs. I guess, to you, a crosshair on on a map, is entirely different than bullseyes because this does not bother you. Oh FFS, really? It's totally innocent because instead of a bullseye target they put the view you'd see looking down the scope before killing someone? Are you really this desperate? So, the crosshairs used in a scope, helped push the man into killing people with a weapon that he was not using a scope with? And the use of bullseyes would never have pushed this person, only crosshairs. Is that what you are saying? Originally by: Ademaro Imre He was a fan against the government mind control, and government control of grammar. Only a moron could someone link that with any political party. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Funny how there's a high overlap between extremist conservative-libertarian tinfoil hatters and tea party membership... Really, there is a high overlap about grammar control? Mind control? Dream States? Have you watched his youtube videos? Seriously, you need to put your knives and guns down, you are goign to hurt someone soon.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Ademaro Imre A trend of images? Show the trend of images that leads to tiny icons. Have you even looked at tea party propaganda? Can you honestly say that you can't see a trend of using images of violent revolution? Remember "second amendment solutions"? Having a gun-range fundraiser to "remove" the representative who was shot today? Bringing guns to a town hall meeting to "show support for the second amendment"? Can we even count the number of times they've used that quote about "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants"? -----------
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:33:00 - [54] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 01:34:28 And yet, year after year after year after year radical leftists take all the top slots on the FBI terrorism list. I'm beginning to think maybe we should screen for politics before we let these people on airplanes. I mean, you've really got to work to come in on top of the radical Islamists.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:36:00 - [55] Originally by: Ademaro Imre So, the crosshairs used in a scope, helped push the man into killing people with a weapon that he was not using a scope with? And the use of bullseyes would never have pushed this person, only crosshairs. Is that what you are saying? Do you even realize how desperate you sound when you're nitpicking the specific details of the weapon he used? The simple fact is Sarah Palin used an image hinting at violence against her political opponents, as part of a trend of images/speeches/etc involving hints of violence against political opponents. Fortunately, most tea party members are able to limit themselves to fantasies about violent revolution, and we don't have 20 dead politicians as a result. However, it is not difficult to imagine that a tiny minority of people who, for whatever reasons, are already more prone to violence could follow that image (and similar propaganda) to the inevitable conclusion. Quote: Really, there is a high overlap about grammar control? Mind control? Dream States? Have you watched his youtube videos? My point is not that his specific tinfoil hattery has a high overlap, but that a very high percentage of anti-government conspiracy theorists in general are conservative-libertarians, a group which tends to overlap significantly with the tea party. -----------
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:36:00 - [56] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/01/2011 01:37:56 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Ademaro Imre A trend of images? Show the trend of images that leads to tiny icons. Have you even looked at tea party propaganda? Can you honestly say that you can't see a trend of using images of violent revolution? Remember "second amendment solutions"? Having a gun-range fundraiser to "remove" the representative who was shot today? Bringing guns to a town hall meeting to "show support for the second amendment"? Can we even count the number of times they've used that quote about "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants"? Ok, trend of images. Link some images. Shooting range fundraisers are held everywhere. So, Loughner was at the fund raiser? Is that what you are suggesting? Did someone channel their presence at the fundraiser to thim through what he claims to be government mind control? Someone exercised their right to carry a weapon, is that the instance, that made Loughner to believe, he should shoot a 2nd Amendment supporter? Are you saying Lougher is anti-gun? Maybe you should count for us how many times that quote was used, because its very seldom used, especially in the context of Giffords being a tyrant. And just for laughs, why don't you believe that the WV governoner (democrat), picking up a rifle, shooting at a document representing US Law in repeated TV political ads, does not inspire anyone?
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Jada Maroo And yet, year after year after year after year radical leftists take all the top slots on the FBI terrorism list. I'm beginning to think maybe we should screen for politics before we let these people on airplanes. I mean, you've really got to work to come in on top of the radical Islamists. As you said, left-wing terrorists tend to focus on property damage. Yes, wrecking an animal-testing lab is a crime, but there's a huge difference between that and shooting your political opponents in the head. -----------
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The simple fact is Sarah Palin used an image hinting at violence against her political opponents, as part of a trend of images/speeches/etc involving hints of violence against political opponents. I like how you've not-so-subtley backtracked from implying Sarah Palin called for violence only to widdle yourself down to her "hinting" while pointing to vague "trends."
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:42:00 - [59] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 09/01/2011 01:43:22 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Ok, trend of images. Link some images. "Images" as in the kind which can include verbal statements, etc. You know, "second amendment solutions", quoting revolutionary war propaganda, etc. Only an oblivious idiot would deny that the tea party wants to compare themselves to a violent revolution. Quote: Shooting range fundraisers are held everywhere. So, Loughner was at the fund raiser? Is that what you are suggesting? Did someone channel their presence at the fundraiser to thim through what he claims to be government mind control? Have you READ the advertising for that fundraiser? No, it doesn't explicitly say "let's kill her", but there is definitely a strong hint of violent revolution in there. Quote: Someone exercised their right to carry a weapon, is that the instance, that made Loughner to believe, he should shoot a 2nd Amendment supporter? Are you saying Lougher is anti-gun? Oh FFS, do you really think that "second amendment solutions" has anything to do with the right to peacefully carry a gun? Hint for the clueless: it's about violent revolution. Quote: Maybe you should count for us how many times that quote was used, because its very seldom used, especially in the context of Giffords being a tyrant. Are you honestly that clueless? The tea party and its followers LOVE that quote. I can't even count the number of times I've heard/seen it used by conservative-libertarians. Quote: And just for laughs, why don't you believe that the WV governoner (democrat), picking up a rifle, shooting at a document representing US Law in repeated TV political ads, does not inspire anyone? 1) I never said I approve of that either. 2) There's a difference between shooting at documents and hinting at violence against people, especially when you start listing specific names.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:43:00 - [60] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 09/01/2011 01:44:42 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Link some images. meh edit: you may note that the subject of OP conversation is on that list



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