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Tom Gerard	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Tom Gerard on 09/01/2011 05:10:04 Observations: I have found some of the worst players in EVE in null-sec, including a coveter pilot who accepted a fleet invite so I could murder him more easily. I have found several mission runners who "Claim" to have been veteran 0.0 pilots but moved back to high-sec because its "more profitable". Considerations: ISK/hour on mission running is terrible, most people make less than 100m ISK per hour. Doing 8/10 and 10/10 PLEX I can easily break 100m per hour and sometimes triple that, and thats just MY share of the profits. Conclusions: The only reason why someone would be doing missions instead of PLEX is because they can't tolerate the risks involved with flying with other pilots. I suggest that CCP provide basic tools, that provide no protection against misconduct, they can readily document and present such information. A proper hangar audit application with user withdrawals etc would be a good step, in addition being able to attach these audit logs permanently to other characters. So when "Big Doug" cleans out one corp wallet, he isn't immediately invited with open arms to the next corp. The other possibility is that: Every mission runner I have ever talked to is a complete tool and a liar, I don't subscribe to this concept but I have to acknowledge the possibility, If I don't the trolls certain will =P -- Tom Gerard Master of the Universe PS: On a separate issue CCP please add the ship painting app, I would gladly pay ISKies for a black drake =) ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull****.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:13:00 - [2] Didnt you say you only made 20 mil an hour a few weeks ago. Eitherway since you are my god, I support this, whatever it is! CCP fix 0.0, remove supercaps Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:13:00 - [3] The guy using a voice mod you were stalking who you thought was a girl moved back to high sec to avoid you amirite?
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Tom Gerard Edited by: Tom Gerard on 09/01/2011 05:10:04 Observations: I have found some of the worst players in EVE in null-sec, including a coveter pilot who accepted a fleet invite so I could murder him more easily. I have found several mission runners who "Claim" to have been veteran 0.0 pilots but moved back to high-sec because its "more profitable". Considerations: ISK/hour on mission running is terrible, most people make less than 100m ISK per hour. Doing 8/10 and 10/10 PLEX I can easily break 100m per hour and sometimes triple that, and thats just MY share of the profits. Conclusions: The only reason why someone would be doing missions instead of PLEX is because they can't tolerate the risks involved with flying with other pilots. I suggest that CCP provide basic tools, that provide no protection against misconduct, they can readily document and present such information. A proper hangar audit application with user withdrawals etc would be a good step, in addition being able to attach these audit logs permanently to other characters. So when "Big Doug" cleans out one corp wallet, he isn't immediately invited with open arms to the next corp. The other possibility is that: Every mission runner I have ever talked to is a complete tool and a liar, I don't subscribe to this concept but I have to acknowledge the possibility, If I don't the trolls certain will =P -- Tom Gerard Master of the Universe PS: On a separate issue CCP please add the ship painting app, I would gladly pay ISKies for a black drake =) -- Goremagedonn master of the feg tom gerard _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2011.01.10 14:58:00 - [5] Solo Ratting in 0. 0 is terrible. If you use the multiplayer aspect of eve the income is nearly exponential. In twohours last night nine of us turned out.nearly three billion ISK, or 300m per person. One guy piloted 5 ravens so walked away with 1. 5 billion ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull****.
Katsumoto Caldari Quam Singulari Session Changes	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Tom Gerard In twohours last night nine of us turned out.nearly three billion ISK, or 300m per person. One guy piloted 5 ravens so walked away with 1. 5 billion /me claps .
ZeJesus	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:08:00 - [7] Edited by: ZeJesus on 10/01/2011 15:09:29 I make about 60-70M in an hour running missions on one char. It's not much but there is basically zero risk involved. Guess I could try it on two accounts. Guess I'm too lazy. Scamming FTW.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Forum Guy on 10/01/2011 15:14:07 Originally by: Tom Gerard Solo Ratting in 0. 0 is terrible. If you use the multiplayer aspect of eve the income is nearly exponential. In twohours last night nine of us turned out.nearly three billion ISK, or 300m per person. One guy piloted 5 ravens so walked away with 1. 5 billion So what you are saying is solo ratting in 0.0 means you earn less isk than if you were in a group therefore it's terrible? Being part of an 0.0 corp and solo ratting is ok, I earned over 2 bill over 10 days and that was at a time of low mineral prices. So from what you are saying is you killed them 4x faster than I did solo, did not think the respawn rate was that quick.
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2011.01.10 15:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 10/01/2011 15:14:07 Originally by: Tom Gerard Solo Ratting in 0. 0 is terrible. If you use the multiplayer aspect of eve the income is nearly exponential. In twohours last night nine of us turned out.nearly three billion ISK, or 300m per person. One guy piloted 5 ravens so walked away with 1. 5 billion So what you are saying is solo ratting in 0.0 means you earn less isk than if you were in a group therefore it's terrible? Being part of an 0.0 corp and solo ratting is ok, I earned over 2 bill over 10 days and that was at a time of low mineral prices. So from what you are saying is you killed them 4x faster than I did solo, did not think the respawn rate was that quick. Sorry, the part about switching. to complexes. was in my brain bit never made it into the. Post w e were farming for Deadspace loot. ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull****.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY	Posted - 2011.01.10 21:36:00 - [10] Well... Have you considered that when a pilot who runs a single account encounters people who can field 5 Ravens at a time, it makes them feel like Empire is about as profitable to THEM? As far as I recall, you get 2 guaranteed Sanctums per perfectly skilled system, and the rest of them are barely worth the effort. When I ran them I did it in Hac's and did not make allot more per hour then I did blitzing missions. The reason for this was because 1.) the alliance sucked and not many systems were upgraded 2.) There was so much competition that it was hard to find a Sanctum not already being run 3.) We were being invaded and thus 20-30 man gangs were a daily occurrence and 4.) we spit the earnings among our fleet mates. The outcome meant that for the Lone pilot, when you added up all of the expenses and time constraints (both in game and in RL) blitzing missions in a nicely skilled mission burner does just about as good.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.01.10 22:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Tom Gerard The only reason why someone would be doing missions instead of PLEX is because they can't tolerate ~~the risks involved with flying with~~ other pilots. FYP My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.10 22:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Tom Gerard The only reason why someone would be doing missions instead of PLEX is because they can't tolerate the risks involved with flying with other pilots. Assuming you are talking of someone living in null, it depends. I'm pretty sure some NPC BPC (some faction ships) worth better than your "plex". But i don't know exactly what you mean, are you trying to say something about low sec players? ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
mkmin	Posted - 2011.01.10 23:02:00 - [13] OP has no real content. Neither do his posts.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.10 23:13:00 - [14] Three weeks ago I made 2.3 gazillion isks by doing level 2's in high sec. What? That's a real number. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Ephemeron The Dirty Dozen	Posted - 2011.01.10 23:22:00 - [15] I spent a few weeks running 7-10/10 angel plexes. I use 2 accounts - which is minimum required to finish most of them. My average income was 2 bil per week, which means 1 bil per account, playing at least 3 hours a day (2 hours is absolute minimum required to quickly find a new plex and run it) That averages out to about 50 mil per hour, per account. I spent nearly all my time scanning down plexes and as soon as I find one, get the proper ships and run it. So I was very efficient. But it still takes hours to find plexes. There are always, always other people who scan down the same times you do, everyone is competing. Sometimes you can down a plex 8 jumps from your base, go back to get your runner ship, only to come back and find that some other farmers just got to it. Sometimes you finish a plex, after spending 3 hours of finding and running it, only to get the overseer effect and no loot. Unless you let somebody else do all the scanning and you only come along for the actual killing, you won't make 100 mil an hour. Level 4 mission runners make 70 mil an hour - before the lp, and that income is stable, unlike plexes.
Yob tvay'matar	Posted - 2011.01.10 23:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Tom Gerard Considerations: ISK/hour on mission running is terrible, most people make less than 100m ISK per hour. Doing 8/10 and 10/10 PLEX I can easily break 100m per hour and sometimes triple that, and thats just MY share of the profits. How many hours a day/days a week at 100mph+?? I'd like you to post proof that you can average 1b+ a day every day, else GTFO
Le Sabre Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation	Posted - 2011.01.10 23:44:00 - [17] The sleazebag is currently docked in Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant.
Elzon1 Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.	Posted - 2011.01.11 00:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Elzon1 on 11/01/2011 00:25:58 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Well... Have you considered that when a pilot who runs a single account encounters people who can field 5 Ravens at a time, it makes them feel like Empire is about as profitable to THEM? As far as I recall, you get 2 guaranteed Sanctums per perfectly skilled system, and the rest of them are barely worth the effort. When I ran them I did it in Hac's and did not make allot more per hour then I did blitzing missions. The reason for this was because 1.) the alliance sucked and not many systems were upgraded 2.) There was so much competition that it was hard to find a Sanctum not already being run 3.) We were being invaded and thus 20-30 man gangs were a daily occurrence and 4.) we spit the earnings among our fleet mates. The outcome meant that for the Lone pilot, when you added up all of the expenses and time constraints (both in game and in RL) blitzing missions in a nicely skilled mission burner does just about as good. From what I can tell the "easy havens" are the best considering they always spawn in the same place... bounties are good... easy enough to tank... flying with a group of machs doing this makes fairly uber cash. Also, hearing battleships pop as fast as your large autocannons can cycle is music to the ears 300 to 400 mil isk a day is nothing special for us in null sec. Combine that with PLEX's, faction spawns, good faction loot (typically crap), and escalations (note: PLEX's)... 600 mil and up is nothing difficult whatsoever You just have to take the time to sit down and do it, unlike someone like me... whom is lazy
Ephemeron The Dirty Dozen	Posted - 2011.01.11 00:31:00 - [19] Quote: 300 to 400 mil isk a day is nothing special for us in null sec. Combine that with PLEX's, faction spawns, good faction loot (typically crap), and escalations (note: PLEX's)... 600 mil and up is nothing difficult whatsoever ugh Kinda hard to buy that, since I have years of experience in 0.0 myself. I spend quite a bit of time farming in 0.0, I make about 100 mil an hour. I spend it on expensive ships. People in 0.0 often wonder where I get that kind of money. They think I'm rich. Even tho it's just 100 mil an hour. Even when I join some 0.0 alliance and talk to regular alliance members, most of them can't afford faction ships for pvp, even tho technically they'd have no problem if they were making 200-400 mil an hour. So either there's some really weird **** going on, or majority of people in 0.0 are poor. Somebody is bullshitting us here.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2011.01.11 00:58:00 - [20] I prefer the system where I probe systems around me every day, if I see a nice plex I do it and earn a few hundred mil. If I don't find a nice plex, I kill people and earn some tears. Null is pretty awesome.
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2011.01.11 02:56:00 - [21] Originally by: TimMc I prefer the system where I probe systems around me every day, if I see a nice plex I do it and earn a few hundred mil. If I don't find a nice plex, I kill people and earn some tears. Null is pretty awesome. Killing people is wrong. ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull****.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.11 02:59:00 - [22] I know i am gonna make a mint when we get Fountain. perfect scenario: Each corp gets their own two systems: one to mine in, the other to rat in.
Vak'ran	Posted - 2011.01.11 03:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Le Sabre The sleazebag is currently docked in Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant. Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2011.01.11 14:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Le Sabre The sleazebag is currently docked in Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant. Assaboner or something like.that between catch and providenc, come.visit for an honest 1v1. ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull***.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.11 15:28:00 - [25] Edited by: Furb Killer on 11/01/2011 15:30:23 Quote: Doing 8/10 and 10/10 PLEX I can easily break 100m per hour and sometimes triple that, and thats just MY share of the profits. Your share is also the only relevant part. However i dont really believe you can consistently earn about 200M an hour doing 8/10 and 10/10s all inclusive in a non-wasteland region. So somewhere where also other people are out there hunting for them, and including time it costs to scan them down, finding out someone beat you to it, time it costs to get a fleet together (not everyone has a legion of alts for that), etc. And dont forget to include that i can do a lvl 4 mission in about 10-30 minutes (depending on which one it is), a 10/10 from start (hey lets go scanning) to finish (all loot back in my hangar, even ignoring that is still has to be sold) is hours.
Le Sabre Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation	Posted - 2011.01.11 15:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Tom Gerard Originally by: Le Sabre The sleazebag is currently docked in Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant. Assaboner or something like.that between catch and providenc, come.visit for an honest 1v1*. LMAO lighten up, was only having a giggle and 'assaboner'? really?
Thuranni Eldjotnar	Posted - 2011.01.11 16:52:00 - [27] I live in highsec, but I've lived in 0.0 and W space. The reason that I don't live in 0.0 anymore is that I ****ing loathe having to listen to a bunch of nerds in my ear every time I want to play my game.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:26:00 - [28] I make my isk by sell erotic Eve fan fiction to Goons. Better than any pve imo.
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:38:00 - [29] Edited by: Jenn aSide on 11/01/2011 17:39:11 Edited by: Jenn aSide on 11/01/2011 17:38:46 Originally by: Furb Killer a 10/10 from start (hey lets go scanning) to finish (all loot back in my hangar, even ignoring that is still has to be sold) is hours. If it takes you "hours" to do a 10/10 your doing it wrong lol. For me, ded plexes are just bonuses, I just do anoms and if I get an escalation, fine, I'll go the 2-5 jumps and do it (using 2 accounts, 1 tank, one BS for reps and DPS...I can afford 2 accounts because 0.0 is a gold mine, haven't used real money for this game in years). Otherwise I just spam havens, sanctums and forsaken hubs (whichever nub said only Sanctums are worth it is a real...well, nub lol). I make more isk doing this than I ever did mission runnig, it's generally more fun and the occasional faction/deadspace drops make it even sweeter.
Passageway Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:57:00 - [30] God, and I though we were carebears in high sec :D

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