Originally by: Minermemememe

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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly

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Originally by: Minermemememe

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350k subs compared to wow's 13 million?

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Bigger =! Better

Or do you think Justin Bieber is the best thing to ever happen to music as well?

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Are you $&($&@($ kidding me? when is 450k subs superior to 13 million. Can you multiply, understand numberS?

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Originally by: Archbeholder

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No, number of subscribers means everything as it directly relates to money income.
And when eve has 35k average online with 75k total subscriptions in comparison to 12kk active subscriptions of wow it tells that eve developers/management are not doing their job well, intended or not.

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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Wait what? Level 5s? plexing? W-space?

Ohhhh... you mean they can't progress in risk free PvE. Gotcha.

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All that content except for Sleepers is still the same content. More ships doing more DPS is not improvement when all you have to do is fit more tank.

I haven't tried Sleepers yet because my Alliance is mostly Null and I have no base there but every other bit of PVE is the same. I don't really care about the ISK I just wish there was more fun to the direct content. For someone with no Alts who wants to have fun >>> profit content blind jumps into Wormholes don't provide exactly what I am looking for.

As stated the good fun PVE content, if Sleepers are that is not exactly pan Sec Levels with an over abundance of accesability. I have done Low Sec Anoms and Plexes and Null Sec Sanctums, LVL 5's not yet cause getting a fleet together when everyone is interested in Sanctums is not much of an option. Especially since all it seems to be is more DPS more Neuting more Bounty Pinatas. Other solo LVL 4 content seems just similar in Low with greater rewards.

There is no system of fun content based on where you are that is not griond with rewards changing per the danger. I will probably try WH PVE sometime in the future when I am more set but diving in there solo into a wormhole where any cloaky could screw you is not much of an option as of now.

That is why I am excited about Incursions, in the three area's of space I role in there will be interesting content to enjoy. But I wish it all wasn't group, I will probably be running some of the other non Incursions sites that get the new rats in the infested system despite the rewards in my Battlecruisers or an Assault ship. But I don't know if I can do those solo. Definatly will be trying to get a group together to run a few sites.

Wthier way the game doesn't have a lot of PVE fun to it from my pre Incursions opinion. It has little to do with Sec status and more what is available. I hate the boring grind fest that is the current PVE system.

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Originally by: Jaina Sunspot

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To be fair this is the only MMO I have played but from what I have seen current PVE needs to get more interseting. It is a big hook to MMO's and sort off a nessity. I would not be suprised if it is a reason many people leave EVE.

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Originally by: Archbeholder

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Edited by: Archbeholder on 11/01/2011 11:40:54

Originally by: baltec1

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As for WOW, you get a lot of go here, pick me 10 flowers, deliver here, go kill 10 critters, deliver meat to the cook, take my sammich to the pub landlord, go wipe out this camp of bandits who stole my glass of beer ect ect.

EVE pve does feel more civilised ill give you that.

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Does THIS look like picking 10 flowers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZJRHClFvU

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