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Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.01.21 05:06:00 - [1] Make it the way it used to be some time back: If you're scrambled, your ship won't go anywhere, full stop. This way, people won't lose their ships to NPCs who haven't scrambled you if they CTD (and u cant use the log off tactic to get away from NPCs either ^^) and they can't log out to to save their ships in PvP (if they haven't got enough WCSs, in which case they could've just warped away anyway).
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.01.21 06:54:00 - [2] How about no? We need more PvE lovin' than PvP! I intend to turn EVE more game where everyone can sing and dance and hunt down ebil NPC pirates. So NO. Web STILL slows you down btw.. Why you wanna get 2 midslot uber items to ONE item? Whats the point for webbers after that? _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.01.21 10:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Make it the way it used to be some time back: If you're scrambled, your ship won't go anywhere, full stop. This way, people won't lose their ships to NPCs who haven't scrambled you if they CTD (and u cant use the log off tactic to get away from NPCs either ^^) and they can't log out to to save their ships in PvP (if they haven't got enough WCSs, in which case they could've just warped away anyway). deal!
Spartac0	Posted - 2005.01.21 10:46:00 - [4] Deal too !!
DoctorDanny	Posted - 2005.01.21 10:59:00 - [5] Yeah. Like the man said. *Signed
Kehmor	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:14:00 - [6] I'm all in...
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.01.21 17:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Kuolematon So NO. Web STILL slows you down btw.. Why you wanna get 2 midslot uber items to ONE item? Whats the point for webbers after that? wtf has a web got to do with this whole topic? Or are you just taking the ****?
Krugerrand	Posted - 2005.01.21 17:53:00 - [8] signed
Alania Ishai	Posted - 2005.01.21 23:45:00 - [9] 1. Whoever posted about the webbers, reread the first post please. 2. Simple solution, god knows why they removed it. Why, what a large scrotal infection you have, Carebear.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.21 23:55:00 - [10] I'm going to sign this in blood. I'll sign it with the blood of anyone who disagrees with it too. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Odet	Posted - 2005.01.22 00:11:00 - [11] loggers = lame I lose about 4-6 battleships kills daily because of this. so to all you loggers.... i hope ccp grows some balls, and perma bans joo all. =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
Mrissa Easeah	Posted - 2005.01.22 00:20:00 - [12] Edited by: Mrissa Easeah on 22/01/2005 00:21:24 Since you need some self declared non-pirates in on this as well. Signed!! Gettin' tired of this BS.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.01.22 00:45:00 - [13] What ***es me off even more than people who log, is that even if you manage to kill them in time and break their tank (WHICH FOR SOME REASON CCP FELT SHOULD STAY ACTIVE EVEN THOUGH THE CLIENT ISN'T), their pod instawarps and there is virtually zero chance of you killing them. Don't say use smartbomb, I've only ever seen that work once. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf*
Madaghast	Posted - 2005.01.22 08:58:00 - [14] even easier fix is to make it so you have to wait 15 seconds without doing anything.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.01.22 11:13:00 - [15] Signed. I don't pirate but I hate lame tactics like this. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Captain Trenchard	Posted - 2005.01.22 11:19:00 - [16] How about a simple timer if your ship is shot or has any outside effects on it such as scrambler it will take a full 2 min befor your ship vanishes, and this timer will reset if you are shot again or the scrambeler cycles. so if you can warp you will still warp but if you cannot warp away and are in a fight you will not just vanish. and if you are really ****ed off with the pod warping away after you kill the ship wait and if he logs back on he will warp right back to where you killed his ship.
Mr Patel	Posted - 2005.01.22 15:19:00 - [17] Signed God knows why they took it out. In the mean time, for all the good it will do, I will petition all loggers because it seems the very quintessence of a 'sploit.
Squirrel	Posted - 2005.01.22 19:30:00 - [18] god... loggers are lame. I think i lost 2 or 3 bs kills yesterday to it. Had the fools warp scrambled..yet they still get away. signed _______________________________________________ Carfax > guys, please dont pvp here, it messes up the avoid pd kill zones autopilot option
Jed Whitten	Posted - 2005.01.22 23:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Squirrel god... loggers are lame. I think i lost 2 or 3 bs kills yesterday to it. Had the fools warp scrambled..yet they still get away. Yepp. And it will get worse with the hitpoint increase.
Lygos	Posted - 2005.01.22 23:44:00 - [20] Why don't they just make npc scramblers qualitatively (not merely quantitatively) different from pc scramblers and increase the ctd/log out timer. If you only have an npc scram on you when you ctd, you should still warp away after the current allotted time even if you don't log out after +2 minutes. Then you could reasonably extend the logout timer to 10 minutes. There is more than one kind of logout exploit at work too. Pirates tend only to complain about the one that hurts them rather than the ones that help them. Typical vocal minority.
Rodge	Posted - 2005.01.23 00:10:00 - [21] Signed and double signed. This is such a pathetic thing for people to do, but it's even more pathetic that the GMs list it an a valid combat tactic. There's bound to be a better solution than the ship disappearing [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
xenorx	Posted - 2005.01.23 05:18:00 - [22] Signed! This will destroy the game if CCP lets it go on. Im sure it will be out of control with the hit point increase. Hahahaha what am I saying! It is already out of control now.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.23 05:37:00 - [23] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Don't say use smartbomb, I've only ever seen that work once. It works most of the time in my experience. Firing two large named, staggered after the ship goes down but before the pod shows up on scanner, tends to do it nicely. If you wait for the pod to show up on the scanner, itll be outta range before the server fires the smartbombs. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Roger Welco	Posted - 2005.01.23 10:37:00 - [24] I agree with this, but I hate to lose a ship due to CTD, and just lately that been happening a lot when mining, and just as NPC's turn up. You know the thing, launch drones, start to lock target BAM CTD! So the point is to balance between a real CTD, and a 'tactic' of logging. There must be a logical solution, and in my thinking a 'logout' must send a 'request' to the servers telling it that you are login off. I suspect a CTD wont. So with that in mind, CCP must be able to work some code around that.
rig0r	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:00:00 - [25] Aye Roger, but that would still be exploitable I think. What if things get nasty and you disable your network connection in windows or litterly pull the plug. Or maybe kill the EVE process. No logoff request, the EVE server detects a connection loss and can only assume that you CTD'ed. Lame, yes, but I'm sure there are people who would do such a thing. This whole logging issue unfortunately is technically more complicated than most people think, as CCP can never be sure if you CTD'ed or not.
Eviljohn	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:51:00 - [26] they should do what other games do when fighting ncp if u log or ctd u stay for 30-60 seconds when fighting players 5 mins if u ctd then unlucky sh\|t happens. its good fun to go bs popping in frigs once in awhile but half log so back to ganking
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.01.23 18:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Lygos Pirates tend only to complain about the one that hurts them rather than the ones that help them. Typical vocal minority. Get a clue, this isn't about pirating, its about lame ass tactics by ppl who haven't got the balls to go down with their ships - it hurts every kind of warfare.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.23 18:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Lygos There is more than one kind of logout exploit at work too. Pirates tend only to complain about the one that hurts them rather than the ones that help them. Typical vocal minority. There is only one logout exploit, and that is logging out to allow your ship to survive combat because you couldnt escape an other way. All other logouts are people who are just leaving EVE to go do something else. I'd like to see a 2 minute sensor recalibration time, cut short if something starts shooting at you, on logons as well. But only if CCP can fix that ***** logon-warp to gate-die crap. Originally by:** Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
S3VYN	Posted - 2005.01.23 19:30:00 - [29] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Originally by: Lygos There is more than one kind of logout exploit at work too. Pirates tend only to complain about the one that hurts them rather than the ones that help them. Typical vocal minority. There is only one logout exploit, and that is logging out to allow your ship to survive combat because you couldnt escape an other way. All other logouts are people who are just leaving EVE to go do something else. I'd like to see a 2 minute sensor recalibration time, cut short if something starts shooting at you, on logons as well. But only if CCP can fix that ******* logon-warp to gate-die crap. Nope, there's two problems, both of which are outlined here, in a thread with a suggestion on how to fix them as well. Of course, Rollin flamed that thread, so evidently he feels that the only problems are the ones he has as his time, opinion and issues are more important than that of 10 million other people (using his words, check the thread). Anyhow, feel free to post your idea on that thread, let's see if we can get enough support together on it to get CCP's attention. I don't care WHAT the solution is, as long as it at least narrows the problem down. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2005.01.23 23:25:00 - [30] Signed. Its only a ship, not their virginity. Infinity Ziona

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