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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: TriadSte on 13/01/2011 20:48:35
Without going into too much detail I have just a few questions :
Why can I no longer have 21 installations per planet on PI when the next patch goes live?
Because of this I am being penalised to the tune of 33% less p0 extracted?
CCP why have you changed power/cpu demands throughout Planetary Interaction?
CCP why have you given us the awesome thing of sorting all the clicky out but also give us such a changed feature, that what we have been working on since PI came out will NO LONGER WORK.
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roastduck
Gallente
MerTeK
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:52:00 -
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Is this opinion based on your personal experience with the new system in SiSi?
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:55:00 -
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Yes indeed, I am a near perfect skilled PI operative as are all of my 8 alts working together in PI and the new system although looks awesome [ very well done CCP ] is rubbish.
Too much has been changed, extraction amounts PG/CPU requirements to setup planets have all changed.
Making the exact same colonies I am using right now on TQ cannot work, It is impossible.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:56:00 -
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Answer: because you no longer need to have 21 installations per planet.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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TriadSte
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Tippia
Answer: because you no longer need to have 21 installations per planet.
Unless you know something I don't your very mistaken.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.01.13 20:59:00 -
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crazy enough to have 8 alts, just have 10 instead 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:02:00 -
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Cry more?
Any time there's a rebalance, someone crys. This time it's you.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
crazy enough to have 8 alts, just have 10 instead
Prolly less work now too.
-Liang
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:08:00 -
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Someone is upset over the PI improvements... I HAVE TO MEET YOU IRL, don't mind the video cameras its for a documentary.
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
rebalance
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Apostle Inconnu
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: Tippia
Answer: because you no longer need to have 21 installations per planet.
Unless you know something I don't your very mistaken.
can you elaborate? i have't done a great deal of testing on SiSi but from the little I did do, it seemed that my colonies would produce pretty much the same amount but for a lot less clicking.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 13/01/2011 21:13:55
Originally by: TriadSte
Originally by: Tippia
Answer: because you no longer need to have 21 installations per planet.
Unless you know something I don't your very mistaken.
You can get more out of each installation and have far more control over the process to make the extraction match your needs.
The only "trick" to it is to realise that the new extractors work in a completely different way from the old ones, and that this means you need to use them in a completely different way. Having them extract the same amounts as before (or more) is rather trivial as long as you do not in any way think of them as if they are like the ones we currently have.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:12:00 -
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+1 for making me lol. I for one welcome our pi improvement overlords.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
You can get more out of each installation and have far more control over the process to make the extraction match your needs.
The only "trick" to it is to realise that the new extractors work in a completely different way from the old ones, and that this means you need to use them in a completely different way. Having them extract the same amounts as before (or more) is rather trivial as long as you do not in any way think of them as if they are like the ones we currently have.
Does anyone have a tutorial on the new PI? I am inclined to start doing PI since this version isn't getting "Teh Sux" reviews.
-Liang
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Does anyone have a tutorial on the new PI? I am inclined to start doing PI since this version isn't getting "Teh Sux" reviews.
Haven't seen one, but it's essentially like the old one except for the extraction phase where you can now make extractors suck up p0:s from a larger area (thus getting more from them) by installing longer extraction "programs".
As you increase the program length, you start to get dips and peaks in the extraction amount over time, with it exponentially petering out to zero as the program reaches its end. However, you can now cut the program short at any point and restart the process with just a couple of clicks (as opposed to having to wait the full extraction time and having to reset each individual extractor). That way, you can choose between being active and pick the juicy part(s) of the extraction curve or going for a lower-average, lower-work long-tail.
Extraction thus becomes a matter of placing your pins correctly, optionally moving them around as the sources thin out, and selecting a program that gives you the optimal combination of time granularity, area coverage, extraction amount, and extraction-peak timing. Oh, and your skills actually matter for how much you manage to extract.
It's actually arguably more work now than before, but it comes in the form of planning and calculating, not clicking.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Doctor Steinsbrow
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:42:00 -
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if you're playing eve for PI, you're doing it wrong
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:48:00 -
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While there is some improvement in the PI interface (no more click fest) it has become increasingly more difficult to extract two resources from a single planet in order to create P2s.
Where you previously used a single plasma planet to create many different product, you will now be forced to use 2-3 planets to produce the same amount of finished products.
I guess POS fuels were too cheap in the minds of CCP.
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Kirith Vespira
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:50:00 -
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On this toon alone I spend 19 min per day on PI, and make more than enough isk in one month to pay for the account with PLEX. That's ONE toon on ONE account in high. It's pretty sad if you grind PI on multiple toons, and think that's all there is to Eve.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deandra Walran
Where you previously used a single plasma planet to create many different product, you will now be forced to use 2-3 planets to produce the same amount of finished products.
This is a fairly significant change, yes. With the fitting reqs of the ECUs, you're more limited as to how many different p0:s you can get at the same time from the same planet.
On the other hand, maybe that's a good thing too ù it makes people spread out a bit more, rather than bunch up on the same (plasma) planets extracting the same base resources.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Master Hamster
Testing on Humans
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:01:00 -
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How many farmville accounts do you have? 
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
On the other hand, maybe that's a good thing too ù it makes people spread out a bit more, rather than bunch up on the same (plasma) planets extracting the same base resources.
Good for who?
Its not good for the producer who has to use more of his/her limited resources (planets) to produce the same finished goods.
Its not good for the buyer of those products when there is less available.
So who is it good for? Maybe pirates and griefers who want the challenge of killing an industrial ship.
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Doctor Steinsbrow
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Deandra Walran
Originally by: Tippia
On the other hand, maybe that's a good thing too ù it makes people spread out a bit more, rather than bunch up on the same (plasma) planets extracting the same base resources.
Good for who?
Its not good for the producer who has to use more of his/her limited resources (planets) to produce the same finished goods.
Its not good for the buyer of those products when there is less available.
So who is it good for? Maybe pirates and griefers who want the challenge of killing an industrial ship.
ALRIGHT!!!
it's good for QQ!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deandra Walran
Good for who?
Idealist answer? Everyone ù they get to expand their practices and look for non-cookie-cutter solutions.
Practical answer? The economy. More taxes!
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Steinsbrow
if you're playing eve for PI, you're doing it wrong
If you are telling someone how they should play eve, you belong in stormwind city, not new eden.
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Practical answer? The economy. More taxes!
If less is being produced, how does that equate to more taxes?
The new PI is more work for less production.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:13:00 -
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What will happen to my existing planets? I have all of them set up and maxed out in terms of MW/CPU use...will I have to tear everything down and start over after the patch?
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist
What will happen to my existing planets? I have all of them set up and maxed out in terms of MW/CPU use...will I have to tear everything down and start over after the patch?
Pretty much. You production chains will be invalid, because you will no longer have the CPU/Grid to make what you are making.
Where now, it was economical to create P2s on a single planet, you will need 3 planets to do this at a greater expense. You'll produce tons more P0, with very little improvement to the P1 or P2 amount.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deandra Walran
If less is being produced, how does that equate to more taxes?
Because that lower production number still means you have to pass more stuff taking more trips through the customs offices. Using two planets for one product means you have to go through the CO three times (export base mat, import base mat, export final product) whereas using two planets for one product each only means two trip (two final product exports).
Granted, I haven't checked the actual math on that since different tiers yield different taxes, but the theory worksà 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Polgara
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist
What will happen to my existing planets? I have all of them set up and maxed out in terms of MW/CPU use...will I have to tear everything down and start over after the patch?
Your current extractors will only have the option to delete when the "improvements " go live. Your factoryÆs and refineries will still be in place along with your CC and LP/Silos
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.01.13 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
but the theory worksà
That's good enough for me, I'm convinced by your awesomely worded post
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.14 03:58:00 -
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How is 'more taxes' better for the economy in a game where the taxes are not spent but instead dumped in a hole and burned?
In the face of deflation we cling to the mantra of more isk sinks? |
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