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Ambrose Hastur
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:18:00 -
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The presence of the Merlin in the Caldari frigate line-up always bugged me: all the others were named after birds, and there, we had an Arthurian wizard...
Yesterday, I found the answer.
I was reading a book on the Battle of England (WW2, German aerial warfare against England after the French defeat), when I stumbled upon the line-up for Rolls-Royce engines used in English aircrafts. They were named: Kestrel, Buzzard and Merlin... Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
So, I think we have the origin for the names of some Caldari ships. If you look further, there are other possible references: F-117 Nighthawk, F-111 Raven...
I'm pretty sure there are others, but I have not yet had the time to search for more.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:31:00 -
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It's because of falcon.
P.S. I am terribly sorry for this awful pun, but I just couldn't resist.
P.P.S. The Merlin engine is pretty well-known, but I never heard of the Kestrel or Buzzard models. A quick check on Wikipedia shows that there was a whole range of bird-named interwar engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce, including the Vulture, Eagle, Condor and Hawk versions. Oh yeah, and the Falcon too. So thanks for the info! 
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Anubis Xian on 14/01/2011 07:32:32
Edited by: Anubis Xian on 14/01/2011 07:32:16
SR-71 Blackbird
YF-22 Raptor
F-16 Falcon
F-15 Eagle
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svetlana
Constellation Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:39:00 -
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not to say that you are wrong, but when i first started playing eve and saw the name 'Merlin', i thought oh the BIRD like all the other caldari ships are named... why the heck would one think first of a wizard in a scifi genre?
The Merlin (Falco columbarius) is a small type of falcon from the Northern Hemisphere. A bird of prey sometimes known colloquially as a pigeon hawk in North America,[1] the Merlin breeds in the northern Holarctic; some migrate to subtropical and northern tropical regions in winter
and yes, many real life aircraft etc. are named the same as the caldari ships, because they are also named after birds.
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Cardsinhand
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cardsinhand on 14/01/2011 07:58:53
edit -- I lose
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.01.14 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It's because of falcon.
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
because of falcon.
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
falcon.
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
because of falcon.
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
BECAUSE OF FALCON
WTF IS PROTUS TENGU
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Z'urg
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Posted - 2011.01.14 08:03:00 -
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Tengu - A supernatural type creature in Japanese folklore, traditionally they kinda resemble birds of prey.
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.01.14 08:33:00 -
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:15:00 -
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According to some Arthurian lore there wasn't a wizard/druid/wise man called Merlin.
The wizard/druid/wise man had the title "The Merlin" and was named after the bird because of the speed he travelled the country delivering his messages and advice.
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Temo Jick
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
Not possible, a mercentile nation we may be, but we are still socialists. ... Oh and our asthetic senses arnt realy bad enough to be caldari are they?
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
According to some Arthurian lore there wasn't a wizard/druid/wise man called Merlin.
The wizard/druid/wise man had the title "The Merlin" and was named after the bird because of the speed he travelled the country delivering his messages and advice.
And now I have that stupid film stuck in my head with that idiotic phrase "The prime Merlinian" dear god I hate Hollywood.
Originally by: Verone
BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:25:00 -
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Merlin is the name of a big fish iirc. Caldari ships don't always have the bird naming convention, sometimes they are named after animals, such as Caracal being a cat, Scorpion, Chimera etc.
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okst666
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:29:00 -
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it should be mentioned that flying a drake does not mean that you are cruising in a mighty dragon...
its just a male duck.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia
Merlin is the name of a big fish iirc. Caldari ships don't always have the bird naming convention, sometimes they are named after animals, such as Caracal being a cat, Scorpion, Chimera etc.
You're thinking of the Marlin. Merlin is the bird of prey
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Rian O'Shea
Stratos Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:41:00 -
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This thread...
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:00:00 -
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< geek hat on>
I think your possibly wrong but good effort. They are really common names for aircraft and other vehicals/engines but the RR link is good. You forgot the Griffon which is an EVE frigate and RR's evolution of the Merlin engine.
There was a Hawker Typhoon and Hawker Tempest but the 3rd evolution was the Fury (not the first Hawker plane to be called a Fury either) and later called the Seafury (bit like a Grumman Bearcat)but used Bristol engines, which all names after Greek Gods. There was no Hawker Maelstrom though but there was a Hawker Hedgehog.
There was a Hawker Hurricane though but no Cyclone, although there was a US radial engine called a Cyclone.
Napier, later English Electric made an engine called the Sabre (which was used in the Tempest and Typhoon) but thats where that ends since there other engines were called things like Culverin (a cannon) or Lion (furry beast).
But there is no EVE ship called a Jumo 211 or DB601 or BWM801D. See where i'm going :)As soon as there is, you have my buy in.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
OH SHI-
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Flynn Fetladral
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:18:00 -
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P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil: <-- This 
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:27:00 -
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The Japanese word for Tengu is the words Sky/Heavenly and Dog.
Or at least that what it looks like from the perspective of a Chinese.
It was often depicted as winged, if not actually a Bird.
Now what the hell is a FEROX?!?
And how does it fly?
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It's because of falcon.
P.S. I am terribly sorry for this awful pun, but I just couldn't resist.
P.P.S. The Merlin engine is pretty well-known, but I never heard of the Kestrel or Buzzard models. A quick check on Wikipedia shows that there was a whole range of bird-named interwar engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce, including the Vulture, Eagle, Condor and Hawk versions. Oh yeah, and the Falcon too. So thanks for the info!
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
excellent reply, high five!
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
The ways of England are the ways of the World, my friend! 
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
Now what the hell is a FEROX?!?
And how does it fly?
Ferox is a Latin word meaning "fierce".
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Culmen
Now what the hell is a FEROX?!?
And how does it fly?
Ferox is a Latin word meaning "fierce".
I see even the Romans knew about the AC Ferox.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
It would explain the hatred for the Space French... 
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Davanev Hraldrsson
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Posted - 2011.01.14 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Temo Jick
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
Not possible, a mercentile nation we may be, but we are still socialists. ... quote]
Speak for yourself. Socialist I am not
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.01.14 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
It would explain the hatred for the Space French...
I AM NOT FRENCH!!! 
Not all Gallenteans are from French origin!
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Master Hamster
Testing on Humans
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Posted - 2011.01.14 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
It would explain the hatred for the Space French...
I AM NOT FRENCH!!!
Not all Gallenteans are from French origin!
He's right, some Gallenteans are the offsprings of Elton John and George Michael.
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Kate McCann
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Posted - 2011.01.14 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
P.P.S. Does it mean Caldari are actually British? :tinfoil:
It would explain the hatred for the Space French...
Whilst secretly admiring them. But shush... we don't talk about that.
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Faolan Fortune
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Posted - 2011.01.14 13:31:00 -
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Caldari are British... 
Caldari society is the complete opposite of British society, which like more or less the rest of Europe (And to an extent America & Canada) has a definitely Gallente flavour.
Caldari are the epitome of Japanese values in a patriotic Japanese/American corporate culture.
Also look at all these American military aircraft... sound familiar?
Scorpion
Falcon
Raven
Blackbird
Hawk
Bantam
Hornet (Caldari drone)
Black Widow
Condor
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Christopher AET
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Posted - 2011.01.14 13:50:00 -
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Well since we are going with the aircraft theme a merlin is an aircraft.
Merlin
Also with rolls royce engine going on that theme too
Merlin engines
It uses a radar system called blue Kestrel so two caldari references in one aircraft.
Also it's a British/Italian aircraft. so reinforcing the Caldari=British idea.
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