Originally by: F'nog

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Originally by: Stareatthesun

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No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.

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Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S

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It was mentioned that CCP has hired an effects artist (a specialist), who starts in a month. So old effects will be iterated - cyno effects and trails will be high on the list.

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Their current backlog has been drawn from CSM crowdsourcing lists, forum threads, and internal backlogs.

Arnar commented that this was done because ôit makes too much ****ing senseö

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What is becoming clear however is that the changes might have been popular at the time, but are now a source of rather widespread discussion about whether or not the Super Carriers are overpowered..... Maybe CCP should have stood firm against the players and forced the changes through? Perhaps players should have taken a step back and evaluated the whole thing on a larger timescale?

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Originally by: Erdiere

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'Greyscale warns, however, that during the transition period ôeverything will go to ****.ö'

That line has a potential to become a new CCP motto, "Everything will go to ****."

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Discussion then turned to the issue of botting and RMT, and what could be done to reduce their impact
on the game. As this discussion involved potential countermeasures, it is sealed under NDA.

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Originally by: Mynxee

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Edited by: Mynxee on 15/01/2011 14:32:07
*sigh* Very disappointed at CCP's heavy-handed (and in my and some other CSM delegates' opinion unnecessary) use of NDA to cut a substantial writeup of three hours of discussion about Incarna down to a grand total of 381 words.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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(and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).

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the CSM and Arnar agreed that publication of a long-range Incarna road-map should be a key part of Incarna messaging

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It was mentioned that CCP has hired an effects artist (a specialist), who starts in a month. So old effects will be iterated - cyno effects and trails will be high on the list.

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Originally by: Steve Thomas

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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 15/01/2011 16:48:59
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 15/01/2011 16:43:42

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the CSM and Arnar agreed that publication of a long-range Incarna road-map should be a key part of Incarna messaging

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Um no we already got the message

Loude And Clear.

the message is "we dont realy know why we are doing anything we are doing anymore because we keep starting things then droping what we are doing and running off to do something else because we got bored, and frankly its to the point that we honestly are not sure what we were thinking when we started whatever it was we are talking about because Quite honestly we did not know back then either.

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Arnar noted that of all the EVE game-play teams, half are working on Incarna and half on in-space features.

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And given the less than half baked nature of the ingame features since you guys have started working on incarna some 4 odd years ago when you first announced and demoed it... we can only assume that it will be just as half baked as virtualy everthing you have done since then as well (Faction war, PI, Dust, the Improved sov system)

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Originally by: Ravcharas

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This is also an issue with most anything CCP insists on NDA'ing. Exploits and botting and what have you. I get that there're things CCP wants to keep under wraps, but they cannot both have their cake and eat it. Support is built through communication.

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Originally by: Cailais

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"The CSM provided strong feedback, and expressed significant concerns, to CCP about the Incarna
features and development plans that were disclosed to them"

This does not sound good.

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Originally by: CCP Sreegs

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Originally by: Ravcharas

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This is also an issue with most anything CCP insists on NDA'ing. Exploits and botting and what have you. I get that there're things CCP wants to keep under wraps, but they cannot both have their cake and eat it. Support is built through communication.

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Just out of honest curiosity, what positive outcome do you think would come from detailing specific counter-hacking/botting methodologies? What would you gain from this knowledge personally? I understand that you WANT to know things, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how some knowledge being public information would be to anyone's benefit and I'd like to hear an alternative viewpoint.

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Originally by: CSM Minutes

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But how to deal with this problem? Greyscale suggestion that he would ôlove to have jump-drive spoolup; you have to lock the cyno up and the lock time is proportional to the distance.ö A suggestion from the CSM was for different cyno generator sizes. So you'd need a battleship or carrier cyno to drop a supercap.

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Originally by: Ravcharas

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I'm not saying the players need to now specific counter-hacking/botting methodologies. What I'm saying is that maybe you guys have erred on the safe side a little too often, especially concerning Incarna. Which is totally understandable, by the way, but no less annoying to see.

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The CSM provided strong feedback, and expressed significant concerns, to CCP about the Incarna features and development plans that were disclosed to them û and about items CCP was not yet prepared to discuss. This information, however, is sealed under NDA. Note: During the editing of these minutes, several CSM members protested against the removal of key discussion points from the write-ups for Incarna sessions.

The CSM strongly emphasized that Incarna should add to the EVE experience and become an integral part of EVE in its own right û EVEÆs current gameplay should not be moved into Incarna and given a new user interface.

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