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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:18:00 - [1] Players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs should read this dev blog from CCP Zulu as your gameplay will be affected once EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.0 is deployed. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

PTang	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:25:00 - [2] eve would run on one of those? O.o -mothermoon

CCP Zulu	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:32:00 - [3] Originally by: PTang eve would run on one of those? O.o -mothermoon Yeah, it did. They had to have a SM2 capable graphics card but that CPU was enough. Truth be told, after we came up with the theory of what might be the cause it took us a while to find a computer with that spec. We usually outsource platform tests like this and don't keep this kind of vintage hardware on hand.

Rosalina Sarinna Royal Guardsmen	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 16/01/2011 23:45:31 In a funny way I dodged a bullet on this one, as my old CPU used to be an Athlon 3000+, which doesn't support the SSE2 instruction set. I can easily see how someone who doesn't keep their PC in latest trim could end up with a problem and have to upgrade. For clarity, that CPU is sitting in my backup PC I use as a filesever. Now I know I just won't be able to play EVE on it, shame but its old so no matter. The world moves on
Callic Veratar	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:46:00 - [5] This isn't even an issue of latest and greatest systems, or even bottom of the barrel computers. Pentium 3 systems are between 8 and 12 years old. Most people don't even keep cars that long.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:07:00 - [6] I wonder how vocal on the forums those 0.3% will be support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Fishsticks Fred	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:09:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Zulu don't keep this kind of vintage hardware on hand. funny how you can refer to computers that just now are unable to run Eve as vintage... And that 0.3% is going to so vocal you'll think it's 30%.
Lickalotopus	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:10:00 - [8] omg what will people run there bots on
Yuda Mann	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:12:00 - [9] The Pentium 4 supports SSE2. That means people with Pentium III's will no longer be able to play. I sincerely hope they attempt to threadnaught the eve-o forums. HI!
Jameroz Echoes of Space	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:16:00 - [10] CCP accidently the CPU support

Cergorach Amarr The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:17:00 - [11] 0.3% is still 10,000 accounts or Ç/$ 150,000 a month if those players don't upgrade. I don't think it's unfair to up the system requirements when it involves hardware that's old enough to vote ;-)
EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:39:00 - [12] MY OLD AS **** CPU BACKBONE
Galandil	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Galandil on 17/01/2011 00:40:27 Originally by: CCP Zulu Truth be told, after we came up with the theory of what might be the cause it took us a while to find a computer with that spec. We usually outsource platform tests like this and don't keep this kind of vintage hardware on hand. Who doesn't
Hya Bam Minmatar The Real OC Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Cergorach 0.3% is still 10,000 accounts or Ç/$ 150,000 a month if those players don't upgrade. I don't think it's unfair to up the system requirements when it involves hardware that's old enough to vote ;-) 0.3% of 300,000 active accounts is about 1,000 accounts, but still, sucks for them --- "All your boot.ini are belong to us." -CCP
grant manson Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Hya Bam Originally by: Cergorach 0.3% is still 10,000 accounts or Ç/$ 150,000 a month if those players don't upgrade. I don't think it's unfair to up the system requirements when it involves hardware that's old enough to vote ;-) 0.3% of 300,000 active accounts is about 1,000 accounts, but still, sucks for them say good bye to 1000 bot accounts hahaha
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:02:00 - [16] a p3 weren't those like 10+ years ago?
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:10:00 - [17] P3s are so old I don't even have them around as spare parts. Anyone want my Prescott Pentium 4 3.0 GHz CPU and mobo I have in the garage? I'll throw in the Radeon x1650 and Diamond sound card and 1GB of RAM ------------------------------------------ CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products
Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:23:00 - [18] Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 17/01/2011 01:36:42 Originally by: Dungee Alstot Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ It seems that some PvE content to be abandon within 2 weeks of release is more important then sticking to the principals that built this community of players to what it is today. edit: Remember when contacts limits SQL told CCP that only 1% of users would be effected? How did that turn out? Still hiding from the complaints?
Evelgrivion Ignatium.	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:34:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Zulu Originally by: PTang eve would run on one of those? O.o -mothermoon Yeah, it did. They had to have a SM2 capable graphics card but that CPU was enough. Truth be told, after we came up with the theory of what might be the cause it took us a while to find a computer with that spec. We usually outsource platform tests like this and don't keep this kind of vintage hardware on hand. How much code needed to be migrated for this change, anyway? None of it was x87 stuff that's being made into SSE2, right? Right?

EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade.
Stupid McStupidson Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:45:00 - [22] Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? **YOU ARE ENTERING JITA, PLEASE INSERT DISK 456** * * YOU HEAR THE SOUND OF THE JUMP GATE ACTIVATING! THERE ARE 1,306 PEOPLE IN LOCAL TO THE NORTH, YOU SEE A CLOUD OF BOUNCING FREIGHTERS TO THE WEST YOU SEE THE GLOW OF JITA 4-4 IT IS DARK, YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE EATEN BY A GRUE _
EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? **YOU ARE ENTERING JITA, PLEASE INSERT DISK 456** * * YOU HEAR THE SOUND OF THE JUMP GATE ACTIVATING! THERE ARE 1,306 PEOPLE IN LOCAL TO THE NORTH, YOU SEE A CLOUD OF BOUNCING FREIGHTERS TO THE WEST YOU SEE THE GLOW OF JITA 4-4 IT IS DARK, YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE EATEN BY A GRUE _ Warp to Jita 4-4 Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. Please wait while your ship's sensors recalibrate. *Connection lost. _
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:52:00 - [24] here you go p4 12$ http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Intel-Processor-Front-Side-SL7PR/dp/B003EGPX2M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1295228953&sr=8-3 new egg doesn't sell p4s anymore
Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:59:00 - [25] Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade. Eventually I will. I don't do a lot of gaming so upgrades really aren't a high priority for me. ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
Useful Alt	Posted - 2011.01.17 02:09:00 - [26] so it mean more FPS or less client side lag? since some stuff are going to be "optimized"
Father Goose Amarr First Unorthodox Church of Enlightenment	Posted - 2011.01.17 02:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! Serving the Spiritual needs of the Matari, and all Children of Eve, by the Grace of God
Hockston Axe Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.17 03:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! IÆve still got my Commodore 64 and a couple of AtariÆs. They even still work probably.
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.17 04:30:00 - [29] Edited by: Night Epoch on 17/01/2011 04:32:10 I have no doubt the affected players will vehemently and boisterously voice their furious anger in this thread as soon as their carrier pigeons can deliver their posts. Edit: that is if their computers are able to launch Netscape 1.2, then subsequently load eveonline.com, register their mouse click on the news item, and load said web page before windows 3.1 encounters another catastrophic DLL error.
defiler Mad Hermit Wayward Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.17 04:39:00 - [30] Edited by: defiler on 17/01/2011 04:39:36 nm (notify) Lurking Device II is already ForumLurking.

Rhok Relztem Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.17 04:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Cloora P3s are so old I don't even have them around as spare parts. Anyone want my Prescott Pentium 4 3.0 GHz CPU and mobo I have in the garage? I'll throw in the Radeon x1650 and Diamond sound card and 1GB of RAM I'd take them. I keep all kinds of spare parts in my puter workshop. I put together old systems and use them for testing apps on them, for file servers, for running legacy games on older OS', and to give to kids for a first system. Heck, I still have an operational C64 & 128, a 286, a few old Macs, and hardware for everything in between them and now. Let me know if your serious about giving them away.
Rhok Relztem Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.17 04:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! OMFG I LOVE IT!!!! I think I just had an accident. I GOTTA get one of these!!!
Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.17 05:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Night Epoch Edited by: Night Epoch on 17/01/2011 04:32:10 I have no doubt the affected players will vehemently and boisterously voice their furious anger in this thread as soon as their carrier pigeons can deliver their posts. Edit: that is if their computers are able to launch Netscape 1.2, then subsequently load eveonline.com, register their mouse click on the news item, and load said web page before windows 3.1 encounters another catastrophic DLL error. My athlon 64 doesn't seem to have any problems launching Firefox, browsing eveonline.com, registering my wireless mouse's clicks, all while watching The Expendables on VLC on XP. ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
ZenZorZar	Posted - 2011.01.17 05:10:00 - [34] Edited by: ZenZorZar on 17/01/2011 05:13:02 Originally by: Dungee Alstot Originally by: Night Epoch Edited by: Night Epoch on 17/01/2011 04:32:10 I have no doubt the affected players will vehemently and boisterously voice their furious anger in this thread as soon as their carrier pigeons can deliver their posts. Edit: that is if their computers are able to launch Netscape 1.2, then subsequently load eveonline.com, register their mouse click on the news item, and load said web page before windows 3.1 encounters another catastrophic DLL error. My athlon 64 doesn't seem to have any problems launching Firefox, browsing eveonline.com, registering my wireless mouse's clicks, all while watching The Expendables on VLC on XP. yeah the OP was somewhat clear which athlons are effected. as far as i know all athlon64 so have sse, sse2 and sse3 support =)
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 05:38:00 - [35] I have an Athlon xp 2400+ which I still use and happily runs Eve, but it's no more than a backup machine now to be honest. Sounds like someone built a library without legacy CPU support, I'd be curious as to which libraries are causing the problem. Or maybe I should just try running SiSi on my old machine. Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
T'raid Er	Posted - 2011.01.17 05:50:00 - [36] Yeah I am running Eve (or rather I was running) on really old Athlon 2200 and its working fine... I can even play on 2 accounts at once! I know I need to upgrade sooner or later Its that I would like to know about it in advance and NOT two days earlier!
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:11:00 - [37] this is one of the few cases where I am going to cut them some slack and admit its remotly posible they honestly did not know.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:23:00 - [38] But... this was supposed to run on my Amiga! Now I don't have any use for that Cyberstorm mk3... Also, I ran Eve with an old P3 for a while, after my ex-wife took my gaming rig in the divorce (yes, she is that cruel), and it ran surprisingly well. Too bad about the original Athlon owners, though. I guess you will have to find other ways of preparing your food. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Mioelnir Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:31:00 - [39] Zulu, embrace the moment, and grab the opportunity as it presents itself: this would be a good moment to recompile the entire client --march=pentium4 --with-sse --with-sse2. Just saying.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Mioelnir Zulu, embrace the moment, and grab the opportunity as it presents itself: this would be a good moment to recompile the entire client --march=pentium4 --with-sse --with-sse2. Just saying. Umad? --march=pentium4 would optimize the code for that lovely 31-stage Pentium 4 pipeline, so I would prefer a standard generic-build with SSE support enabled and --mtune=core2 instead. Also, I doubt CCP uses GCC. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.

Yoru Yukhantstev	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:43:00 - [41] Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade. I was seven years old when the Pentium III was released. Do you feel old now?
Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Yoru Yukhantstev Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade. I was seven years old when the Pentium III was released. Do you feel old now? I've come to terms with my age, I was 18 when it came out. I built this computer my senior year of high school. ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
Rhok Relztem Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.17 07:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Dungee Alstot Originally by: Yoru Yukhantstev Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade. I was seven years old when the Pentium III was released. Do you feel old now? I've come to terms with my age, I was 18 when it came out. I built this computer my senior year of high school. Geesh. I was 36 when I got my first C64 in '89, ya bunch of whipper-snappers. Old as dirt n proud of it. Arr!

CCP Zulu	Posted - 2011.01.17 07:14:00 - [44] Yeah, to make it clear then the AMD Athlon 64 CPUs will not be affected. It's only the Athlon XP's and older that will be deprecated.

Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.17 07:30:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Zulu Yeah, to make it clear then the AMD Athlon 64 CPUs will not be affected. It's only the Athlon XP's and older that will be deprecated. You just made my fiancee very angry. She thought I was done with this game finally. ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.17 07:41:00 - [46] Now that was a short heads up... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2011.01.17 07:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! Jesus ! I'd buy that for a dollar! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Hack Harrison Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:01:00 - [48] Tuxford??? (Had to ask. It's the only way to be sure...)
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Chribba Now that was a short heads up... ITT: Chribba announces he will quit Eve because he will not upgrade his P3 server farm. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Fr0g'us	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:24:00 - [50] Edited by: Fr0g''us on 17/01/2011 08:25:32 i got a pc with a p3 750, 2 gb ram, 7900 gt video card. i use it mostly to run some websites on it, but it can run 2 clients of eve just fine. low settings of course. is not my main rig, but was nice to be able to do a team viewer on it, and change skills when i was away, in places with limited internet acces. so ... /frown.


CCP Zulu	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Chribba Now that was a short heads up... Yes, we apologize for the extremely short notice on this. We're bringing you the news as they happen.

Remulon McNab The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:37:00 - [52] Honestly, supporting a standard that is running for already 10 years is impressive. But with the ever changing world of computer hardware I think it's a mandatory change. A lot of game studio's are already saying bye bye to that era, glad CCP does it now. Holding back an update because of the ~1000 players not being able to play afterward is a bit silly if the rest of the base is not affected. I welcome the new features the future brings, give us more revolutionary EVE things oh fyi, I said bye bye to P3 already in 2001 --- got Twitter? - * said hi to CCP Navigator @ Gamescom 2010 - Cologne, G
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.17 08:42:00 - [53] Edited by: PTang on 17/01/2011 08:42:58 nvm laptop
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.01.17 09:05:00 - [54] Now is this pernament or unintended and you are looking to resolve the issue? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11JAN11
Chicken W1ng Caldari Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.01.17 09:48:00 - [55] So I won't be able to run EVE anymore with my AMD Athlon XP 2800+? Great **** <_> Is there a possibility of having an alternative patch? P.S. Also accepting donations.
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.17 09:50:00 - [56] It's time for some people to spend a few bucks to get a new CPU from eBay (if they can't afford the 200-300$ required for a supercomputer - compared to what they have) _ Ore Table \| PI Profits
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.17 10:23:00 - [57] more than 2 months ago. what we got here is a failure to communicate. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Zyphur	Posted - 2011.01.17 10:58:00 - [58] CCP Zulu This may be APEX, I believe. PhysX SDK 2.8.4 you're using is compiled with SSE2
Thebriwan LUX Uls Xystus	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:19:00 - [59] I don't like that. My 2nd machine is a Athlon 3000+ XP with Socket A (no I can't buy an other CPU, cause all Socket A's don't have SSE2 AFAIK). I would like to have a warning, a saying what could go wrong and then I would like to start EvE. Maybe you should define better what hardware your game is running at...
Hawk TT Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers RED Citizens	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:32:00 - [60] PhysX DLLs for sure. Just recently they have been updated to use SSE2 ;-) Originally by: Illectroculus Defined I have an Athlon xp 2400+ which I still use and happily runs Eve, but it's no more than a backup machine now to be honest. Sounds like someone built a library without legacy CPU support, I'd be curious as to which libraries are causing the problem. Or maybe I should just try running SiSi on my old machine. ___________________________________ BECKS

Bragii Gallente Trumpets and Bookmarks	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:37:00 - [61] Sure not unreasonable for SSE2 to be a minimum requirement. However what would be good to hear in a dev blog is that additional QA procedures have been introduced to ensure that another similar unexpected dependency (e.g. SSE3, SSSE3, etc) does not surface at very short notice prior to a release.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev It's time for some people to spend a few bucks to get a new CPU from eBay (if they can't afford the 200-300$ required for a supercomputer - compared to what they have) IMO the issue is not that some people will need to upgrade their systems in order to continually play Eve as thats expected. What is the issue is that this is mentioned 48hrs prior to the expansion. CCP saying this has just come to light is absolute BS imo.
Remulon McNab The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:40:00 - [63] shameless quote from wikipedia to list all affected CPU's Quote: The following CPUs implemented IA-32 after SSE2 was developed, but did not implement SSE2: * AMD CPUs prior to Athlon 64, including all Socket A-based CPUs * Intel CPUs prior to Pentium 4 * VIA C3 * Transmeta Crusoe --- got Twitter? - * said hi to CCP Navigator @ Gamescom 2010 - Cologne, G
Philip Richardson Depthstrike Industries Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:42:00 - [64] CrystalCPUID will tell you if your cpu supports SSE2 on the main screen. Nice and straightforward if you need the info. ----------- - I blame stompy for any confusion I might have caused.
Zenst Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:45:00 - [65] given the late hour in the day and the box sets that didn't mention SSE2 being a requirement I can see those few being a tadge upset. " Minimum PC System Requirements PC Processor TypeIntel« Pentium« processor, AMD processorPC Processor Speed1.5GHz PC Operating SystemWindows XP Service Pack 2, Windows Vista, Windows 7 PC System Memory1GB RAM PC Hard Drive Space6GB PC Video64MB GeForce FX 5, Ati 9500, X300 series or higher video card PC Sound CardDirectX 9.0c-compatible sound card PC Drive Type and SpeedDVD-ROM 2xPC Modem56.6 Kbps PC Additional RequirementsRequires 1.5GB RAM for Windows Vista" Also when you learn that this is due to some libary that is used having the SSE2 option flag enabled during compile and you do have to ask the following questions: Why cant we have a version with all the latest SSE4 etc options compiled and available and more so why cant ccp compile that single libary using lower compiler option and make that available to those effected. This don't effect me though I still do have a P3 system and a AthlonXP and both are capable of running eve currently - yes old AGP GFX cards are old but still well upto spec as it stands. Remember not everybody wants to run 2 clients at once. But good spot, albiet one that should of been caught as you realy should have a system that is min spec inhouse and be testing on it and if needs be raise said min spec with notice. I feel sorry for those this effects and hope CCP can at the very least go the 3rd party lib is this and we are working on compiling it without SSE2 support and making available for those that need it. What is funny is that no MAC owners were effected by this change :)
Janeiros Gallente Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:52:00 - [66] Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Dude. Upgrade. I'm starting a new $ campaign: "Help Jan Jan the Rio Man upgrade his PC". Any $ (rl isk) you have to spare, just deposit on my bank account: Bank: Ita· (Brazil) Agency: 6136 Account n¦: 12204-8 Thanks! \o/ --> Janeiros
Hormus	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:52:00 - [67] ...' some of our Singularity testers reported the issue '... ...' We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected '... If it affects only 0.3% of players, how comes it affected 'some' testers (which, by my opinion, would be dedicated players and so have better hardware)?
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.17 11:56:00 - [68] Originally by: Hormus ...' some of our Singularity testers reported the issue '... ...' We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected '... If it affects only 0.3% of players, how comes it affected 'some' testers (which, by my opinion, would be dedicated players and so have better hardware)? tools do not make an expert. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.17 12:15:00 - [69] Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. Nothing worse than stuck in legacy times penalizing everyone. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.17 12:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Karia Sur CCP saying this has just come to light is absolute BS imo Yeah I agree, CCP knew about that SSE2 issue for weeks or even months, but they decided to keep it seekrit just so they could drop a "lol pwned" dev blog 48 hours before patch, just \|i]for teh lulz[/i]. _ Ore Table \| PI Profits

Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.17 12:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Hormus ...' some of our Singularity testers reported the issue '... ...' We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected '... If it affects only 0.3% of players, how comes it affected 'some' testers (which, by my opinion, would be dedicated players and so have better hardware)? Testers are supposed to represent the entire user base, and thus need to test with various hardware, including older systems. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.17 12:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev "lol pwned" dev blog 48 hours before patch, just for teh lulz. It's the Eve way. Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
Abramul Gallente StarFleet Enterprises Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:04:00 - [73] Edited by: Abramul on 17/01/2011 13:04:29 Question: is a 64-bit AMD processor running a 32-bit operating system affected? (For the record, a 1.8 GHz processor with 2GB of RAM is quite capable of running EVE, although a bit borderline for running two clients in-space. With 1 GB of RAM, it runs into problems with 1 client if there's more than 200MB or so of background load) +Edit: Is the warning message live on the test server?
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:15:00 - [74] Originally by: CCP Zulu Yeah, to make it clear then the AMD Athlon 64 CPUs will not be affected. It's only the Athlon XP's and older that will be deprecated.
Talaan Stardrifter THE PAROXYSM	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Originally by: Hormus ...' some of our Singularity testers reported the issue '... ...' We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected '... If it affects only 0.3% of players, how comes it affected 'some' testers (which, by my opinion, would be dedicated players and so have better hardware)? tools do not make an expert. Although some experts may be tools
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:35:00 - [76] Quote: Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. This does not give greater playing experience at all. In a decent application, these features get auto-detected on startup and enabled OR, in the case of a computer lacking of them, software simulated. Therefore those who already had a SSE2 capable computer will not see anything better, the others will have to thrash a computer perfectly functional for a mining or trading alt. While all my computers run Win 7 64 or latest Debian, I can empathize with those who are cut out just because someone forgot to compile with SSE option enabled. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
robat	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:54:00 - [77] Anyone wishing to check their CPU I suggest they download CPUID from http://www.cpuid.com/. This will give details of their CPU and tells what versions of SSE instructions it can execute.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:35:00 - [78] Edited by: Shintai on 17/01/2011 14:36:40 Originally by: Abramul Edited by: Abramul on 17/01/2011 13:04:29 Question: is a 64-bit AMD processor running a 32-bit operating system affected? (For the record, a 1.8 GHz processor with 2GB of RAM is quite capable of running EVE, although a bit borderline for running two clients in-space. With 1 GB of RAM, it runs into problems with 1 client if there's more than 200MB or so of background load) +Edit: Is the warning message live on the test server? Since its a 64bit capable CPU as well. It supports SSE2. Since x64 requires SSE2 as replacement for x87. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. This does not give greater playing experience at all. In a decent application, these features get auto-detected on startup and enabled OR, in the case of a computer lacking of them, software simulated. Therefore those who already had a SSE2 capable computer will not see anything better, the others will have to thrash a computer perfectly functional for a mining or trading alt. While all my computers run Win 7 64 or latest Debian, I can empathize with those who are cut out just because someone forgot to compile with SSE option enabled. Its not that easy as such. Because the game will still hog on down to the lowest bar. Had it been a more independent app/game. Then sure I would agree with you. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Shintai Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. Nothing worse than stuck in legacy times penalizing everyone. What might be worse is software development that drives people to ditch perfectly adequate hardware to spur sales of new hardware/software. If it works why do you need to trash it and get something new? The answer is we 'need' new software and won't support the old or decide to make use of technologies not present in the old, regardless if they are truly needed/useful. Hardware and software go hand in hand trying to get consumers spend money on new products all the while we toss out 'old' technology like it is worthless. Every year computer hardware is sent to the trash hopefully for recyclers to make money off of when disposed of properly and sent to a landfill when it isn't. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--
Anane Brother Theo's Monastery The Ancients.	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:49:00 - [80] Dell OptiPlex GX620 $150 US just upgrade the ram and the HDD and if you really feel courageous add a GPU... all in all I bought one from work that was only $75 and it still runs fine today with under another $100 in it...

BrownMage	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:13:00 - [81] Ridiculous. I pay for 4 accounts cash USD every month for 4+ years now, and they announce this the day before the update. I'm usually all about CCP, defending the balancing and what not to alliance and corp mates... no longer. I got screwed on the Linux support drop and had to BUY windows to play... i got banged on the SM3 update wich wasn't completely necessary and had to go out and buy 2 new video cards. (decompile old clients yourself and figure it out) Maybe i'm just raging a bit right now but... seriously wth? I know it's a compley game and all.. the overhead of opening a market stops your whole client...that could have been something better to fix... or easily allow ping display... perfect time too. All the x-mass money comes to players, they spend cash for GTC's (gtc price drops) and buy toys (carriers, t2 and faction sub caps all skyrocket) then they say "oh sorry some of you wont be able to play tommorow. the emo rage is high right now.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:26:00 - [82] Talk about the 11th hour. Not good.
Bahamir Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:36:00 - [83] If there are a spec of having SSE2 to run EVE, maybe you can start using it into Trinity and Destiny engines to improve performance.
BrownMage	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:39:00 - [84] Edited by: BrownMage on 17/01/2011 15:43:08 How many CCP-Eve Devs does it take to totaly hose a massive %% of the player base? None, they dont have EVE devs, they are all working on "Walking in stations" and "Dust514" 4 years of development, still no walking in stations. 2 years on dust development... still 3 years till 05/14 (may 15, 2014) Well at least they are not warning that the PC will continuously reboot after update. Oh forgot about "eve gate" the 'mail site' that has horrible interfacing, responding to mail lists is impossible, oh and don't cut/paste. That thing should not have gotten threw beta testing either. /end emo rage
Callic Veratar	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:49:00 - [85] So, reading the full reaction here, what the players want is a game that will play on any system without noticeable lag, no matter the number of players in a system, that also looks good. If I were in your position, I'd consider myself lucky that I got 2 days notice that my computer still runs EVE until tomorrow. There comes a point in time where supporting someone who won't upgrade isn't really worth it any more. Yes, you pay them $11-15/account/month, but the cost of supporting non-SSE2 systems will likely require several employees (who likely make $25-50/hour) to commit several weeks of effort. In some things I would not side with CCP, but this one, definitely. Your subscription costs more than a "new" computer would.
Bahamir Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Callic Veratar There comes a point in time where supporting someone who won't upgrade isn't really worth it any more. Yes, you pay them $11-15/account/month, but the cost of supporting non-SSE2 systems will likely require several employees (who likely make $25-50/hour) to commit several weeks of effort. Following your ideas we should still playing 8 bit games so they are still compatible with 8086 processors.
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:59:00 - [87] Originally by: BrownMage Oh forgot about "eve gate" the 'mail site' that has horrible interfacing, responding to mail lists is impossible, oh and don't cut/paste. That thing should not have gotten threw beta testing either. FYI, it didn't: it still had "beta" tag last I looked On a subject: not that I didn't know about this "feature" earlier, but I'm not going buy new PC sooner just because of some eve patch (at least I was going to do it anyway). And there better be some compensation for inability to play (with no prior warning - with shaders you at least did it few months before)
Artenac	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:04:00 - [88] Originally by: Jagga Spikes more than 2 months ago. what we got here is a failure to communicate. Face melting PWNAGE.
Crazy Renegade	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:14:00 - [89] Is there a way tell what instruction set our computers are using. With my luck ill be one of those 0.03%ers that will get shafted.
Crazy Renegade	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:19:00 - [90] Originally by: EnderCapitalG Originally by: Dungee Alstot Welp. I guess it's a good thing I was thinking about taking a break from Eve anyway. Though being able to run it on an older processor was one of the reasons I started playing it. Ah well :-\ Can I have your stuff?

VARANUS69	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:33:00 - [91] will ccp be reimbursing every one for who has invested alot of time and money in to the game? then suddenly you cant play thats not a good idea as most of the players are from forn countrys who dont have acses to the newer computers
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:39:00 - [92] Edited by: Karia Sur on 17/01/2011 16:39:41 Originally by: Callic Veratar So, reading the full reaction here, what the players want is a game that will play on any system without noticeable lag, no matter the number of players in a system, that also looks good. If I were in your position, I'd consider myself lucky that I got 2 days notice that my computer still runs EVE until tomorrow. complete BS, only 2 days notice just goes to show whar CCP thinks of minority groups within the Eve customer base. I'll be okay with this, but it doesnt mean that i dont feel sorry for anyone who specifically joined Eve for the Incursion expansion, who now finds out that CCP have had there money for 2 months or so before telling them, 'oh sorry, you cant play anymore'. This isnt a sudden change and anyone who thinks this was only decided 2 days ago is stupid. I also wonder what other 'surprises' will exist as no patch notes smells of 'trouble if we post what it contains' imo. edit:typo
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:53:00 - [93] Someone suggested that this was in the physics library, and I can see how that could be a problem with no easy resolution. I mean generally the way code works is that you develop the core functionality using plain old C which will work on every CPU, then at a later date you use things like SSE to improve performance where the features are available, there's no reason to remove the reference code. One of the things that SSE2 lets you accelerate is floating point operations, but the floating point operations don't behave exactly like those in the x87 floating point processor, so in some cases the results can be slightly different due to the way temporary results are stored. Now in Eve, everyone is running a copy of the physics simulation, and to avoid desync everyone needs to keep getting the same results. So, hypothetically if some users were running an x87 implementation and others were running and SSE2 optimized version we could see desyncs happening. Since the performance gain would be quite appreciable I can see that the anti-lag team might decide to start the servers running SSE2 physics and only later realise the effect on outside clients. of course this is entirely guesswork..... Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:16:00 - [94] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Snip In that case, the removal of non-SSE2 CPUs from support will help the dev team migrate all physics simulation to the SSE2 compiled code base. Both the client and the server code will have to undergo an overhaul though.
Lugor Caldari Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:28:00 - [95] does anyone know if AMD Turion X2 will be ok with this patch????
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:33:00 - [96] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Snip In that case, the removal of non-SSE2 CPUs from support will help the dev team migrate all physics simulation to the SSE2 compiled code base. Both the client and the server code will have to undergo an overhaul though. I'm pretty sure the overhaul is -M_ENABLE_SSE2_PHYSICS when you compile the physics library..... Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
War Kitten	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:42:00 - [97] Edited by: War Kitten on 17/01/2011 17:44:34 jumped the gun - ignore
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:48:00 - [98] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Snip In that case, the removal of non-SSE2 CPUs from support will help the dev team migrate all physics simulation to the SSE2 compiled code base. Both the client and the server code will have to undergo an overhaul though. CPUs supporting SSE2 AMD K8-based CPUs (Athlon 64, Sempron 64, Turion 64, etc) AMD Phenom CPUs Intel NetBurst-based CPUs (Pentium 4, Xeon, Celeron, Celeron D, etc) Intel Pentium M and Celeron M Intel Core family (including Intel Core 2, Intel Core i5, Intel Core i7) Intel Atom Transmeta Efficeon VIA C7 VIA Nano
LordElfa Gallente Revan's Fist	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:54:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Zulu Originally by: Chribba Now that was a short heads up... Yes, we apologize for the extremely short notice on this. We're bringing you the news as they happen. Ya, admittedly this was the equivalent of "Tomorrow, you're screwed", but I understand the need to move on. ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
thegallenteamarrguy	Posted - 2011.01.17 17:58:00 - [100] Edited by: thegallenteamarrguy on 17/01/2011 17:58:55 And now I wait for the tasty tears of the cheapest of the cheap. If you haven't upgraded by now, come on.

thegallenteamarrguy	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:02:00 - [101] Originally by: VARANUS69 will ccp be reimbursing every one for who has invested alot of time and money in to the game? then suddenly you cant play thats not a good idea as most of the players are from forn countrys who dont have acses to the newer computers Do you not see the EXTREME error in your thinking here? If you country doesn't have access to new computers, it doesn't have access to an internet speed capable of playing eve. In short: No, that'd be stupid.
James Giovanni	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:08:00 - [102] checks cpu of 50$ cell phone sse2! yay my phone can still run eve!
thegallenteamarrguy	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Lugor does anyone know if AMD Turion X2 will be ok with this patch???? It's going to be perfectly fine.
Nlex	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:15:00 - [104] Originally by: thegallenteamarrguy If your country doesn't have access to new computers, it doesn't have access to an internet speed capable of playing eve. In short: No, that'd be stupid. EVE can be played on dial-up connection. And you won't see much lag, because it generates very little in terms of traffic. Only ping matters. Sarcasm is a useful social skill.
Sire Magnus	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:16:00 - [105] THERE ARE NO WORDS FOR THE RAGE I FEEL RIGHT NOW !!! I have been a dedicated capsuler for 6+ years ... I log in today to find out that I will not be able to log in tomorrow !!! WTFH !@! If im going to upgrade I dont want to shell out money for someone elses used PC that will get nerfed again in the next 6 months! I'm going to need a new CPU ... which means a new motherboard .. which means new memory .. and a new video card ... which means windows will invalidate .. so it also means a new copy of windows .. ARRG! That is compounded by the losses in game .. I have towers and labs to take down .. bpos in research that will need to be cancled .. investments based on market bubbles that will be gone before i can get back .. ive estimated my isk losses to over 2 billion at least and thats if I dont lose my starbase structures ... so doing some basic math 2b isk -> 6 plex -> $90 USD in comparable game value on top of the hardware costs. I don't know where they think all this money is going to come from ... I guess I should feel happy for all the players who can afford to buy new systems that will depreciate 30% in the first 4 weeks of owning them .. but this isn't really about them. It's about CCP's decision to kill off some portion (any portion)of their user base with no warning what so ever! When they upgraded to premium graphics content they gave plenty of warning time and that was a far less costly upgrade! PUSHING THIS PATCH OUT FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO MEET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE, TO THE POINT OF BORDERING ON INCOMPETENCE
thegallenteamarrguy	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:18:00 - [106] Originally by: Sire Magnus THERE ARE NO WORDS FOR THE RAGE I FEEL RIGHT NOW !!! I have been a dedicated capsuler for 6+ years ... I log in today to find out that I will not be able to log in tomorrow !!! WTFH !@! If im going to upgrade I dont want to shell out money for someone elses used PC that will get nerfed again in the next 6 months! I'm going to need a new CPU ... which means a new motherboard .. which means new memory .. and a new video card ... which means windows will invalidate .. so it also means a new copy of windows .. ARRG! That is compounded by the losses in game .. I have towers and labs to take down .. bpos in research that will need to be cancled .. investments based on market bubbles that will be gone before i can get back .. ive estimated my isk losses to over 2 billion at least and thats if I dont lose my starbase structures ... so doing some basic math 2b isk -> 6 plex -> $90 USD in comparable game value on top of the hardware costs. I don't know where they think all this money is going to come from ... I guess I should feel happy for all the players who can afford to buy new systems that will depreciate 30% in the first 4 weeks of owning them .. but this isn't really about them. It's about CCP's decision to kill off some portion (any portion)of their user base with no warning what so ever! When they upgraded to premium graphics content they gave plenty of warning time and that was a far less costly upgrade! PUSHING THIS PATCH OUT FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO MEET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE, TO THE POINT OF BORDERING ON INCOMPETENCE Trollface.jpg? Buy anything today and something better will be here tomorrow, boohoo. Thats just the way it is.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:20:00 - [107] Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Shintai Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. Nothing worse than stuck in legacy times penalizing everyone. What might be worse is software development that drives people to ditch perfectly adequate hardware to spur sales of new hardware/software. If it works why do you need to trash it and get something new? The answer is we 'need' new software and won't support the old or decide to make use of technologies not present in the old, regardless if they are truly needed/useful. Hardware and software go hand in hand trying to get consumers spend money on new products all the while we toss out 'old' technology like it is worthless. Every year computer hardware is sent to the trash hopefully for recyclers to make money off of when disposed of properly and sent to a landfill when it isn't. It all sounds nice and dandy. But in that case we should drive around in 50year old cars, run computers with 286 CPus and so on. Stay with PSTN modems because its a waste to upgrade to DSL and so on. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
thegallenteamarrguy	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:20:00 - [108] Originally by: Nlex Originally by: thegallenteamarrguy If your country doesn't have access to new computers, it doesn't have access to an internet speed capable of playing eve. In short: No, that'd be stupid. EVE can be played on dial-up connection. And you won't see much lag, because it generates very little in terms of traffic. Only ping matters. Okay, then if you don't have access to better computers in your country, you shouldn't be playing in the first place. His argument is flawed regardless.
Dirk Decibel	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:28:00 - [109] Hm, I still know quite some folks with an Athlon XP. Ok, they're not gamers but still, I don't think it's that weird if you are still running one.
Kari Trace Caldari Foyu Trading World	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:37:00 - [110] Edited by: Kari Trace on 17/01/2011 18:43:49 Originally by: Anane Dell OptiPlex GX620 $150 US just upgrade the ram and the HDD and if you really feel courageous add a GPU... all in all I bought one from work that was only $75 and it still runs fine today with under another $100 in it... I worked as a support tech for Dell and can not tell you how solid the GX6xx line is...Not top end, but solid. Originally by: Rhok Relztem Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! OMFG I LOVE IT!!!! I think I just had an accident. I GOTTA get one of these!!! ditto

T'zuki Hiro	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:38:00 - [111] Originally by: Karia Sur IMO the issue is not that some people will need to upgrade their systems in order to continually play Eve as thats expected. What is the issue is that this is mentioned 48hrs prior to the expansion. CCP saying this has just come to light is absolute BS imo. I'm one of the people caught out by this and it's not that I need to upgrade that's annoying, it's that we got so little warning. And for all those who say it's your fault for running an old box, well not all of us can afford the newest, lastest hardware because we have to get by on disabilty welfare payments.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.17 18:56:00 - [112] Originally by: T'zuki Hiro Originally by: Karia Sur IMO the issue is not that some people will need to upgrade their systems in order to continually play Eve as thats expected. What is the issue is that this is mentioned 48hrs prior to the expansion. CCP saying this has just come to light is absolute BS imo. I'm one of the people caught out by this and it's not that I need to upgrade that's annoying, it's that we got so little warning. And for all those who say it's your fault for running an old box, well not all of us can afford the newest, lastest hardware because we have to get by on disabilty welfare payments. I've seen the light, my opinion is changed (updates 1st post) even if you wanted to upgrade, unless you pay60$ shipping on a 20$ cpu, you won't have a computer intime for the expansion. That's not cool.
Captain Campion Corp 1 Allstars Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:03:00 - [113] SO BAD if you threw it in the river, the river would throw it back! shop -->
Miso Hawnee	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:07:00 - [114] Originally by: Sire Magnus PUSHING THIS PATCH OUT FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO MEET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE, TO THE POINT OF BORDERING ON INCOMPETENCE I didn't realize this was a Dominion thread.
Fred Munro	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:10:00 - [115] Other than the short notice, I see no problem with this change, well I doubt my i7 is effected anyway :P For a game to progress in any good way, including the road to Incarna, will need players to upgrade their gaming rigs, obviously the financial implications are annoying at best, but there isn't any way around it. Personally, I want to see more eye candy... :D
Lithia Tsanov	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:27:00 - [116] For the record, I believe that this new requirement is absolutely ******ed. What is an OTAL?
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:27:00 - [117] Its the short notice that's the problem. I've been running three accounts simultaneously on this PC, an Athlon XP2200+ for years. With this change, I won't leave the game, but I can certainly get rid of three of my accounts as there is no way I'll be able to use them.
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:41:00 - [118] It just seems to suck for everyone involved, I hope Eve customer support will be able to offer refunds to affected individuals, since 2 days is not enough time to get a new system, especially when one of those days is a weekend, and the next is a holiday in the US. A replacement graphics card at short notice is easy, but a CPU need Motherboard, memory and most likely an OS reinstall, easier to just buy a new system. Having done some poking around I'm thinking that it's not likely to be destiny, it's more likely to be related to the physics engine used for hair and clothes in the new character generator. (Although they may have updated destiny to make use of this?). Which is unfortunate because as recently as July there was a lot of technical bad press surrounding PhysX for being overly reliant on x87 and not using the accelerated SSE2 instructions. The conspiracy minded were arguing this was a deliberate ploy by Nvidia to sell more graphics cards (which would handle some of the physics). Anyway... I can live without physical simulations of hair. Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:43:00 - [119] Originally by: Hockston Axe Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! IÆve still got my Commodore 64 and a couple of AtariÆs. They even still work probably. I hate you! I've now simply got to weld my ancient Atari ST 520FM to my network and somehow... somehow get EVE running on it. X forwarding? Hmmm.... deploys google You're a git and everyone in this house is about to hate you :D
Ormus Vinge	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:43:00 - [120] The Problem here is NOT the update of Hardware needed. I MEAN TWO DAYS? In my case, Amd XP3200 runs fine for all I need to do. EVE is the only game I play, so I also don't need the latest updates in hardware. Even the CAD software I use, runs FINE on my system. AMD XP3200, 2 gig ram, directX10 graphics, 1 TB HD. So the old part is the board and CPU, which forces me to buy completely new Hardware. Since I don't want to take the Risk getting a used system which maybe outdated by a next Patch CCP announces, I'm forced to buy a decent system for about 500 Euro which will maybe delivered in the next 5-10 days. And ofc money seems to grow on trees in Iceland. NICE JOB CCP, WELL DONE! @ wise guys: Pls stop arrogant postings about people who don't have the latest Hardware for any reason. Not necessary, we got fu**ed already. yours sincerly me p.s. I've calculated that 0.3% of all CCP employees are ... nvm

Taraas Enko	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:57:00 - [121] Goodbye EVE, goodbye CCP. The old player can't make computer updating. -5 game account, good luck!
Beauregard Jackson Minmatar GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:59:00 - [122] Interesting... my two "gaming" machines will pass the test, obviously, but for S&G's I ran CrystalCPUID on my older "web browsing" machine in the bedroom. It has a PIII "Willamette" CPU, and it supposedly supports SSE2. Now I won't try to run EVE on it as it only has 512 megs of RAM (RAMBUS FTL!!!) but maybe this isn't as wide-spread as some are making it out to be.
Rin Ji Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:05:00 - [123] Originally by: Sire Magnus ..snipped a lot.. OK... Not that I don't feel sorry for those affected, I won't even say anything like third millennium or the likes,... ...but you did the thing I was thinking of when I first read this short notice, only in reverse. You calculated your ISK loss (C'mon, it's a game, and so forth...) into RL currency loss. I'll now do the reverse: if you had not payed your accounts in ISK (PLEX) you'd have spent far more in $ (or Ç, or whatever) than what'd be needed to upgrade now. What if PLEX had never existed? I'd speculate we wouldn't even have this discussion right now. (And yes, I do feel sorry for all affected, yes, the short termed notice is extremely hard on both parties involved, yes, I do know that a "recent" spec is not always needed, yes, I agree that it was one of the BIG pluses for EvE to run on almost any machine including TI pocket calculators, but still... equalling ISK loss to (financial) RL loss is just plain selfish. More even, but CoC doesn't permit saying.)
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:08:00 - [124] Originally by: Ormus Vinge Edited by: Ormus Vinge on 17/01/2011 19:47:00 The Problem here is NOT the update of Hardware needed. I MEAN TWO DAYS? In my case, Amd XP3200 runs fine for all I need to do. EVE is the only game I play, so I also don't need the latest updates in hardware. Even the CAD software I use, runs FINE on my system. AMD XP3200, 2 gig ram, directX10 graphics, 1 TB HD. So the old part is the board and CPU, which forces me to buy completely new Hardware. Since I don't want to take the Risk getting a used system which maybe outdated by a next Patch CCP announces, I'm forced to buy a decent system for about 500 Euro which will maybe delivered in the next 5-10 days. And ofc money seems to grow on trees in Iceland. NICE JOB CCP, WELL DONE! @ wise guys: Pls stop arrogant postings about people who don't have the latest Hardware for any reason. Not necessary, we got ****ed already. yours sincerly me p.s. I've calculated that 0.3% of all CCP employees are ... nvm I've no idea if such a thing is in the wild but their might exist an SSE wrapper you can use to launch EVE. It'll be dog slow if it does exist but... You don't sound like you need a whole new box, just a mobo bundle from the local equivalent of Novatech. So hopefully a lot less than ú500.
Beauregard Jackson Minmatar GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Taraas Enko Goodbye EVE, goodbye CCP. The old player can't make computer updating. -5 game account, good luck! Yer sterf, I can haz it?
Rip Minner Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:13:00 - [126] Upgrade or die! Adapt or die! Dont realy see a differnce Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:24:00 - [127] Honestly, if someone is still playing EVE on a 7+ year old PC... That's like complaining that Duke3D doesn't run on your ZX Spectrum. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
hired goon	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:26:00 - [128] The problem here is that an upgrade for those affected can't be just a CPU, it has to be a whole platform because of the change in slot. Then the old RAM won't carry over. And let's face it, Pentium III or Athlon motherboards won't have PCI-E slots. So that's an entire new system. Now you have to think, will your old 300w Enermax PSU be able to push your new i3 CPU plus Nvidia GTX 450? So CCP have basically said "sorry but if you are in this category you will have to replace your CPU, Motherboard, RAM, Graphics card, and PSU" Not that I'm complaining with my brand new Phenom II 965 Quick spec for those worried finds an AMD Athlon II 2.2ghz CPU, 4gb RAM, an AM3 motherboard, and an ATI Radeon 5750 gpu, all for just under ú200. That will run Eve nicely. Remember you can carry over all your hard drives, optical drives, case, and of course screen keyboard and mouse
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:43:00 - [129] Originally by: Reiisha Honestly, if someone is still playing EVE on a 7+ year old PC... That's like complaining that Duke3D doesn't run on your ZX Spectrum. Forgive my inner geek but, it's more like complaining that a ZX spectrum released in 1982 couldn't play the latest and greatest 3d games from the late 80 - games like Carrier Command, Starglider 2. Oh wait both of those were in fact ported to the Spectrum. How about Doom - oh no that was ported to the spectrum as well.... CCP in no way intended for these CPU's to be deprecated, but I'd like them to be open and either and give us a clue as to whether a client fix will be possible, if we can hold on a couple of weeks or, if this is an issue which will not be fixable. Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 21:01:00 - [130] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Originally by: Reiisha Honestly, if someone is still playing EVE on a 7+ year old PC... That's like complaining that Duke3D doesn't run on your ZX Spectrum. Forgive my inner geek but, it's more like complaining that a ZX spectrum released in 1982 couldn't play the latest and greatest 3d games from the late 80 - games like Carrier Command, Starglider 2. Oh wait both of those were in fact ported to the Spectrum. How about Doom - oh no that was ported to the spectrum as well.... CCP in no way intended for these CPU's to be deprecated, but I'd like them to be open and either and give us a clue as to whether a client fix will be possible, if we can hold on a couple of weeks or, if this is an issue which will not be fixable. They could just give us a client version with the old avatars for now and give us time to upgrade like they did with the Shader Model upgrade. Everyone was satisfied with that as they had plenty of time to make other arrangements for the old PCs that ran their alts/cynos/rorqal/extra dread. This, however, I for one would happily forgo Incursions 1.1.0 and hair that blows in the wind coming off the station air-conditioning to be able to continue to run my accounts till I can replace the PC later in the year. If there was an option to switch off the new avatars, most people I know would do so. Am I correct that CCP would rather drive us to reduce the number of accounts we pay for than allow us to switch off unnecessary graphics.

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2011.01.17 21:17:00 - [131] Originally by: Night Epoch I have no doubt the affected players will vehemently and boisterously voice their furious anger in this thread as soon as their carrier pigeons can deliver their posts. Edit: that is if their computers are able to launch Netscape 1.2, then subsequently load eveonline.com, register their mouse click on the news item, and load said web page before windows 3.1 encounters another catastrophic DLL error. I don't think I should be offended in such a way just because i'm not obsessed with upgrading my PC every time new hardware hit the market. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Ormus Vinge	Posted - 2011.01.17 21:17:00 - [132] ... Not to mention having to set up a new Operating System, which takes hours until everything is in place. I would be happy having a solution for this, because the money I spent for a product that doesn't work from one day to the other is wasted. SP, ISK, you name it.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:07:00 - [133] Hi, I'm not good with computers. I usually buy one and use it, until it breaks. Then I buy the next one etc. My current computer is quite a few years old, it is still working fine, I hope I don't have to buy a new one now ? In dxdiag it says: Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz Memory: 3008MB RAM Display Devices - Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Will this be enough to play EVE on low resolution ? I only need to be able to log in and change skills. Will probably by a new PC next year anyways when SWTOR comes out, in case it doesn't be run on this PC. Hope EVE is still availabe after tomorrow ..
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:10:00 - [134] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Hi, I'm not good with computers. I usually buy one and use it, until it breaks. Then I buy the next one etc. My current computer is quite a few years old, it is still working fine, I hope I don't have to buy a new one now ? In dxdiag it says: Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz Memory: 3008MB RAM Display Devices - Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Will this be enough to play EVE on low resolution ? I only need to be able to log in and change skills. Will probably by a new PC next year anyways when SWTOR comes out, in case it doesn't be run on this PC. Hope EVE is still availabe after tomorrow .. CPUs supporting SSE2 AMD K8-based CPUs (Athlon 64, Sempron 64, Turion 64, etc) AMD Phenom CPUs Intel NetBurst-based CPUs (Pentium 4, Xeon, Celeron, Celeron D, etc) Intel Pentium M and Celeron M Intel Core family (including Intel Core 2, Intel Core i5, Intel Core i7) Intel Atom Transmeta Efficeon VIA C7 VIA Nano
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:13:00 - [135] Originally by: Callic Veratar So, reading the full reaction here, what the players want is a game that will play on any system without noticeable lag, no matter the number of players in a system, that also looks good. If I were in your position, I'd consider myself lucky that I got 2 days notice that my computer still runs EVE until tomorrow. There comes a point in time where supporting someone who won't upgrade isn't really worth it any more. Yes, you pay them $11-15/account/month, but the cost of supporting non-SSE2 systems will likely require several employees (who likely make $25-50/hour) to commit several weeks of effort. In some things I would not side with CCP, but this one, definitely. Your subscription costs more than a "new" computer would. No. Try again people aren't asking that EVE run on any system with all the graphics/sound/etc turned way up for a prime rig while fighting in a over packed reinforced system they are asking that the game that ran fine for them on Monday run fine on Tuesday when a software patch is added. Not a new game, not a new graphics engine a bit of code patching the game that forces certain perfectly fine systems from being able to run the game one day later. I doubt the cost for support is the issue since CCP apparently didn't even know they were using software options to weed out certain systems. There is a case for that but this doesn't seem to be one of them and is much more about CCP not even knowing what they are doing when they change things. The other issue is hardware that worked no longer working due to the method something was coded. Unless you constantly buy the latest games a PC can serve you well for many more than 2-3 years. How often do you need the latest version of MS office, or IE, there came a point many years ago when upgrading for many people simply doesn't make any sense. Only new and more intense programs make real use or need updated hardware, this is most true in Games and design software(graphics/engineering) as well as OS that are no longer supported, the latter being an excellent time to move on to something besides a MS product. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--
Commissar Kate Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:14:00 - [136] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Hi, I'm not good with computers. I usually buy one and use it, until it breaks. Then I buy the next one etc. My current computer is quite a few years old, it is still working fine, I hope I don't have to buy a new one now ? In dxdiag it says: Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz Memory: 3008MB RAM Display Devices - Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Will this be enough to play EVE on low resolution ? I only need to be able to log in and change skills. Will probably by a new PC next year anyways when SWTOR comes out, in case it doesn't be run on this PC. Hope EVE is still availabe after tomorrow .. You should be fine http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/556/AMD_Sempron_3500+.html
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:14:00 - [137] Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 17/01/2011 22:14:46 Cool, thanks !
Mithril Ryder Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:36:00 - [138] Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Callic Veratar So, reading the full reaction here, what the players want is a game that will play on any system without noticeable lag, no matter the number of players in a system, that also looks good. If I were in your position, I'd consider myself lucky that I got 2 days notice that my computer still runs EVE until tomorrow. There comes a point in time where supporting someone who won't upgrade isn't really worth it any more. Yes, you pay them $11-15/account/month, but the cost of supporting non-SSE2 systems will likely require several employees (who likely make $25-50/hour) to commit several weeks of effort. In some things I would not side with CCP, but this one, definitely. Your subscription costs more than a "new" computer would. No. Try again people aren't asking that EVE run on any system with all the graphics/sound/etc turned way up for a prime rig while fighting in a over packed reinforced system they are asking that the game that ran fine for them on Monday run fine on Tuesday when a software patch is added. Not a new game, not a new graphics engine a bit of code patching the game that forces certain perfectly fine systems from being able to run the game one day later. I doubt the cost for support is the issue since CCP apparently didn't even know they were using software options to weed out certain systems. There is a case for that but this doesn't seem to be one of them and is much more about CCP not even knowing what they are doing when they change things. The other issue is hardware that worked no longer working due to the method something was coded. Unless you constantly buy the latest games a PC can serve you well for many more than 2-3 years. How often do you need the latest version of MS office, or IE, there came a point many years ago when upgrading for many people simply doesn't make any sense. Only new and more intense programs make real use or need updated hardware, this is most true in Games and design software(graphics/engineering) as well as OS that are no longer supported, the latter being an excellent time to move on to something besides a MS product. This isn't a case of 2-3 years, SSE2 was introduced TEN years ago (2001), and AMD finally implemented it about 2 years later (or eight years ago). Most computers literally stop working within a time period of the 6(to be overly generous)-10 years old the computers of the whiners are, due to failed capacitors, multiple surges/spikes/blackouts and abuse/neglect. Sorry but you got your moneys worth. You can replace motherboard, cpu (dual core i3), 4 gigs of memory (ddr3), moderate graphics card (GTS250 or ATI equiv) and a stable quality PSU for about 400 bucks. That system would last 3+ years and allow for easy CPU, memory and graphics upgrades. If you want to go cheaper with a Core2 duo (save 50-100 bucks about), you can but you might have more of an issue upgrading the cpu/ram later shrug. Cpu speed (as in how much the cpu can "do", not clock speed) doubles about every 18 months, so a 7+ year old cpu is about 1/32nd the speed of modern cpus. I don't think a p3 could even run flash in real time. If you are really strapped for cash you can likely find someone junking a P4 box that will take your AGP graphics card and DDR ram. You might find you enjoy certain "recent" tech developments such as USB2.0, SATA, decent built-in sound and ethernet and PCIE. You will find that you had no idea just how slow your machine was at doing everything, and how much of your life it was wasting.
Deakin Frost Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:48:00 - [139] Hope you took the opportunity to enable SSE2 code generation on the C/C++ parts of the game, to enable faster code and SSE2 intrinsics. --- Inappropriate sig image removed -Abdalion
Vallek Arkonnis	Posted - 2011.01.17 22:51:00 - [140] Originally by: Shintai Good to see CCP move forward. Both in terms of SM3 and now SSE2. It gives greater playing experience. And if you got such an old PC...its really time to upgrade. Nothing worse than stuck in legacy times penalizing everyone. This. I support how CCP keeps eve a modern game despite its age unlike other mmo companies who release a game and it stays as is for eternity. I also understand that you have to have a variety of supported hardware as well. But c'mon guys, I have an athlon xp 3200, the last CPU produced without SSE2. It came out in May of 2003 so these processors are at least 8 years old... I have upgraded machines twice since then and I'm by no means rich.

Vallek Arkonnis	Posted - 2011.01.17 23:10:00 - [141] Originally by: Tonto Auri I don't think I should be offended in such a way just because i'm not obsessed with upgrading my PC every time new hardware hit the market. It's not about obsession over having bleeding-edge hardware, it's about having hardware that's less than 8 years old. Maintaining support for these relics costs time and money better spent on bugs and content. If you can't play modern games because you haven't upgraded in the past decade whose fault is that?
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.17 23:27:00 - [142] Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis It's not about obsession over having bleeding-edge hardware, it's about having hardware that's less than 8 years old. Processors without SSE2 support were still being made in mainstream systems until 2005, so it's not 8 years. 2005 was also the year that the Xbox360 launched, are you suggesting that it's also obsolete? Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Chicken W1ng Caldari Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.01.17 23:53:00 - [143] Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 17/01/2011 23:53:40 CCP not caring about minorities? LOL, old news. As if they would be caring about low sec players for example, LOL.
Starchain	Posted - 2011.01.18 00:06:00 - [144] I have AMD Athlon XP 3000+. Minus ten accounts, CCP.
Jaggins Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.18 00:51:00 - [145] It will be impossible to hack my Apple IIe to run EVE now. Minus 42 accounts, CCP!
T'zuki Hiro	Posted - 2011.01.18 00:52:00 - [146] It's not that us users of older boxes will have to upgrade to continue playing it's that CCP gave so little warning. btw, anyone using an AMD chip can download amd-cpu-setup.exe from AMD's site. That'll tell them everything about their cpu.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:12:00 - [147] Originally by: Starchain I have AMD Athlon XP 3000+. Minus ten accounts, CCP. LoL Are we going to see someone claim 15 and then 30 accounts running on ancient hardware next? Go upgrade already. I guess I ought to have expected the BS being posted from those thinking they can run a modern game on an badly outdated CPU. No CCP does NOT owe you a refund they MAY (In my opinion) be nice enough to offer those affected free game time at a later date (If you are lucky) but cash refund? LOL how about instead of wasting your time on that going out and earning through work the funds needed to get an upgrade? And in case you had not noticed CCP got BLINDSIDED by the change. The code change was recent and out of their control. (Tho in my opinion they ought to have made use of SSE2 years ago because of the benefits) Stop acting like CCP is trying to screw you over.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis It's not about obsession over having bleeding-edge hardware, it's about having hardware that's less than 8 years old. Processors without SSE2 support were still being made in mainstream systems until 2005, so it's not 8 years. 2005 was also the year that the Xbox360 launched, are you suggesting that it's also obsolete? Yes quite obsolete. It is only still in production because they have been able to reduce the nm size and combine cores to reduce manufacturing costs by a great deal. Just upgrade and stop complaining. Get a job!
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:19:00 - [149] Originally by: Mithril Ryder [snip] Cpu speed (as in how much the cpu can "do", not clock speed) doubles about every 18 months, so a 7+ year old cpu is about 1/32nd the speed of modern cpus. I don't think a p3 could even run flash in real time. If you are really strapped for cash you can likely find someone junking a P4 box that will take your AGP graphics card and DDR ram. You might find you enjoy certain "recent" tech developments such as USB2.0, SATA, decent built-in sound and ethernet and PCIE. You will find that you had no idea just how slow your machine was at doing everything, and how much of your life it was wasting. This. Also, I'm still not seeing any arguments about opportunity costs for upgrading vs. staying. Where are the MD elites?
Cyxopyc Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:46:00 - [150] What makes EVE a great online game has little to do with higher quality graphics. I love the low system requirements for this game. I believe any system requirement increases in the last few years have been for eye candy. This one is probably needed to support the new character rendering which will be interesting to me for 10 minutes and no more. There are 1000 things in the game mechanics and the game client that need fixed or improved before making the game prettier. (like the jump bug that makes your friendly blue fleet members appear as neutrals, oops) BTW good work on the client lately. It's a lot better since before the necessary 'align to' button was finally added. However there's still a long away to go. == Support fixing the EVE UI

Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:56:00 - [151] Originally by: Cyxopyc What makes EVE a great online game has little to do with higher quality graphics. I love the low system requirements for this game. I believe any system requirement increases in the last few years have been for eye candy. This one is probably needed to support the new character rendering which will be interesting to me for 10 minutes and no more. There are 1000 things in the game mechanics and the game client that need fixed or improved before making the game prettier. (like the jump bug that makes your friendly blue fleet members appear as neutrals, oops) BTW good work on the client lately. It's a lot better since before the necessary 'align to' button was finally added. However there's still a long away to go. Do you think 300K Accounts would be active if EVE still looked like it did? Domis looking like sandcrawlers and horrific effects? The eye candy additions are quite necessary if you want your game to be active over time. Pentium IV is old hardware and is SSE2 Also I notice that when they finally increase system requirements. By that time the cost to get the ancient hardware is almost as much as the cheapest (And much more powerful) versions of modern hardware.
EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 01:57:00 - [152] AMD Phenom II X6 @ 3.6ghz ATI HD 4890 4GB DDR3 RAM The tears in this thread are delicious. Brb, Crysis
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:00:00 - [153] Originally by: Cyxopyc What makes EVE a great online game has little to do with higher quality graphics. Wormhole Space?
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:11:00 - [154] One of the nice things about Eve is that it runs on ancient hardware. Have a spare machine somewhere? Throw Eve on it to run missions now and then, fuel your tower, etc. CCP is not rolling this out as a hardware requirement, they got caught from the side when one of the libraries they use dropped the support for pre-SSE2 cpus. My trusty Athlon 2800+ machine ran eve perfectly, in fact it ran multiple clients at once, nicely. Alas, it is a Socket A motherboard, with no SSE2 available. My hope is that this gets resolved by a call to the vendor they use to simply recompile the libs with the missing support compiled back in. Why drop support for any hardware if it can be easily avoided? ( ) <- planet (not to scale) áááááá --EhonVonnre
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:29:00 - [155] Edited by: Zachstar on 18/01/2011 02:33:16 Its software PhysX you don't get them to just add support back in especially when other software house devs have begged for SSE2 support for some time. It's over if you have that old hardware you will have to upgrade. There is no going back.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:31:00 - [156] Originally by: EnderCapitalG Edited by: EnderCapitalG on 18/01/2011 02:10:09 AMD Phenom II X6 @ 3.6ghz ATI HD 4890 4GB DDR3 RAM The tears in this thread are delicious. Brb, Crysis e: I'm 21 with a minimum wage job and saved up a few months for it. Same with me tho the X3 version for mine. Nice overclock! Did you have to bump the voltage up much? That obviously is overkill for EVE but people here are acting like its a disaster if they have to upgrade ancient hardware.
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:38:00 - [157] Originally by: Mithril Ryder This isn't a case of 2-3 years, SSE2 was introduced TEN years ago (2001), and AMD finally implemented it about 2 years later (or eight years ago). Most computers literally stop working within a time period of the 6(to be overly generous)-10 years old the computers of the whiners are, due to failed capacitors, multiple surges/spikes/blackouts and abuse/neglect. Sorry but you got your moneys worth. You can replace motherboard, cpu (dual core i3), 4 gigs of memory (ddr3), moderate graphics card (GTS250 or ATI equiv) and a stable quality PSU for about 400 bucks. That system would last 3+ years and allow for easy CPU, memory and graphics upgrades. If you want to go cheaper with a Core2 duo (save 50-100 bucks about), you can but you might have more of an issue upgrading the cpu/ram later shrug. Cpu speed (as in how much the cpu can "do", not clock speed) doubles about every 18 months, so a 7+ year old cpu is about 1/32nd the speed of modern cpus. I don't think a p3 could even run flash in real time. If you are really strapped for cash you can likely find someone junking a P4 box that will take your AGP graphics card and DDR ram. You might find you enjoy certain "recent" tech developments such as USB2.0, SATA, decent built-in sound and ethernet and PCIE. You will find that you had no idea just how slow your machine was at doing everything, and how much of your life it was wasting. I wasn't talking about 2-3 year old machines but saying most upgrades probably happen on that schedule. This is about Eve working 'monday' and 'tuesday' it won't, CCP gives these people a few days 'heads up' before the change. This 10 year old technology somehow managed to not be used in EVE for EVE's entire 'lifetime' until now, that is how awesome and useful it is. Or how cutting edge Eve is, the developers are, or some other comment about not using something for nearly ten years. If these people found a way to keep a rig running for 7+ years and not move up good for them, they made what upgrades were 'needed' when they had to(probably graphics/HD/RAM) and it doesn't affect them that they aren't running as 'fast' or 'efficient' as other machines. Should they have been looking to upgrade, yeah unless they think things never break, but unless they had a 'plan' for that or a budget set aside they are SOL to get it setup and running 'for Eve' in the schedule given to them. A new system will run them at least several hundred dollars plus replacing any and all software they can't run on the new one anymore, activation of OS as an example. I agree with you most 'newer' technology is made cheaply and will die out faster than their historic predecessors. It isn't necessarily a bad thing that some things were built to last over just being cheap so you'd need to replace/upgrade them every few years. As for me I'm not living in the dark ages my system was 'above average' around 2 years ago and I only upgraded then after my pc was around 5 years old because I wanted to play 'new' games. I played the 'old' games, games I never bought but dropped to bargain prices after a year or so and they ran fine if not really well, when I started to look to newer games I upgraded. Internet, email, word processor, video/media, all that worked fine on my old box, most of that works better on this one but somethings like spreadsheets/internet don't really benefit from a new rig and for the most part that is true with most PC users. PC's aren't all used by gamers and enthusiasts anymore there are too many 'casual' users who do their taxes, internet research, etc, on them and don't need to upgrade for many years or until something breaks. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--
Vallek Arkonnis	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:38:00 - [158] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis It's not about obsession over having bleeding-edge hardware, it's about having hardware that's less than 8 years old. Processors without SSE2 support were still being made in mainstream systems until 2005, so it's not 8 years. 2005 was also the year that the Xbox360 launched, are you suggesting that it's also obsolete? 6 year old hardware? Yes. Plus the cost of the consoles are partially subsidized by game sales, not so with PC's. The Athlon XP and P3 became obsolete the moment the Athlon64's and P4's debuted. Should everyone and their mothers have upgraded right then and there? No. But several years after the fact on a gaming machine? Yes. There's no reason CCP should freeze their game to 2005 to appease the miniscule amount of the population that are too cheap to upgrade.
oldmanst4r Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:47:00 - [159] Hey, earth to Pentium III users! Requiring that your computer be manufactured within the past decade to run EVE is not requiring you to have the "latest" hardware. Though, I admit the notice was short....Pentium III....really?? You can get a computer that will run EVE fine on Ebay for $60-70. Try going to yard sales and picking through people's bins of $5 electronics. Hell, you could probably go to a dump and root around in the trash for a 2002 pc that someone threw away. People will whine about anything. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:48:00 - [160] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Originally by: Reiisha Honestly, if someone is still playing EVE on a 7+ year old PC... That's like complaining that Duke3D doesn't run on your ZX Spectrum. Forgive my inner geek but, it's more like complaining that a ZX spectrum released in 1982 couldn't play the latest and greatest 3d games from the late 80 - games like Carrier Command, Starglider 2. Oh wait both of those were in fact ported to the Spectrum. How about Doom - oh no that was ported to the spectrum as well.... CCP in no way intended for these CPU's to be deprecated, but I'd like them to be open and either and give us a clue as to whether a client fix will be possible, if we can hold on a couple of weeks or, if this is an issue which will not be fixable. Those ports are completely rewritten (and stripped out) versions of those games made by fans. If i make my own version of doom that runs on my calculator, that doesn't mean i'm automatically obligating the original developers to support the platform 5+ years after it's sell-by date. That, and if you are able to play EVE, which is by no means a game you can play for an hour a week (especially if you're a newbie and trying to learn it), not to mention that you need actual money to start playing and learn the game for a few months before you even find out, much less make enough isk to pay for PLEX... That time and money could have been used to buy a 7 year old PC which would run the current EVE perfectly. You can get those things with mcdonalds happy meals nowadays for crying out loud. Even a 3 to 4 year old budget configuration won't cost you more than a year's worth of subscription. I'm especially looking at the people who have been playing EVE since 2003 and simply paid subscription, yet never bothered to upgrade their hardware, some of which have posted in this thread already i'd bet. Being selfish also has something to do with it. When EVE turns 15, will people still demand that the game runs on their antiquated hardware, despite murderous competition being out there that will kill this game unless it catches up? If you want to play Meridian 59, play Meridian 59. That should run nicely on older machines. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:48:00 - [161] Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: EnderCapitalG Edited by: EnderCapitalG on 18/01/2011 02:10:09 AMD Phenom II X6 @ 3.6ghz ATI HD 4890 4GB DDR3 RAM The tears in this thread are delicious. Brb, Crysis e: I'm 21 with a minimum wage job and saved up a few months for it. Same with me tho the X3 version for mine. Nice overclock! Did you have to bump the voltage up much? That obviously is overkill for EVE but people here are acting like its a disaster if they have to upgrade ancient hardware. It's a Black Edition 1090T. You can get it up to 4.2ghz easily on air without touching voltage, but YMMV
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:50:00 - [162] Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Mithril Ryder This isn't a case of 2-3 years, SSE2 was introduced TEN years ago (2001), and AMD finally implemented it about 2 years later (or eight years ago). Most computers literally stop working within a time period of the 6(to be overly generous)-10 years old the computers of the whiners are, due to failed capacitors, multiple surges/spikes/blackouts and abuse/neglect. Sorry but you got your moneys worth. You can replace motherboard, cpu (dual core i3), 4 gigs of memory (ddr3), moderate graphics card (GTS250 or ATI equiv) and a stable quality PSU for about 400 bucks. That system would last 3+ years and allow for easy CPU, memory and graphics upgrades. If you want to go cheaper with a Core2 duo (save 50-100 bucks about), you can but you might have more of an issue upgrading the cpu/ram later shrug. Cpu speed (as in how much the cpu can "do", not clock speed) doubles about every 18 months, so a 7+ year old cpu is about 1/32nd the speed of modern cpus. I don't think a p3 could even run flash in real time. If you are really strapped for cash you can likely find someone junking a P4 box that will take your AGP graphics card and DDR ram. You might find you enjoy certain "recent" tech developments such as USB2.0, SATA, decent built-in sound and ethernet and PCIE. You will find that you had no idea just how slow your machine was at doing everything, and how much of your life it was wasting. I wasn't talking about 2-3 year old machines but saying most upgrades probably happen on that schedule. This is about Eve working 'monday' and 'tuesday' it won't, CCP gives these people a few days 'heads up' before the change. This 10 year old technology somehow managed to not be used in EVE for EVE's entire 'lifetime' until now, that is how awesome and useful it is. Or how cutting edge Eve is, the developers are, or some other comment about not using something for nearly ten years. If these people found a way to keep a rig running for 7+ years and not move up good for them, they made what upgrades were 'needed' when they had to(probably graphics/HD/RAM) and it doesn't affect them that they aren't running as 'fast' or 'efficient' as other machines. Should they have been looking to upgrade, yeah unless they think things never break, but unless they had a 'plan' for that or a budget set aside they are SOL to get it setup and running 'for Eve' in the schedule given to them. A new system will run them at least several hundred dollars plus replacing any and all software they can't run on the new one anymore, activation of OS as an example. I agree with you most 'newer' technology is made cheaply and will die out faster than their historic predecessors. It isn't necessarily a bad thing that some things were built to last over just being cheap so you'd need to replace/upgrade them every few years. As for me I'm not living in the dark ages my system was 'above average' around 2 years ago and I only upgraded then after my pc was around 5 years old because I wanted to play 'new' games. I played the 'old' games, games I never bought but dropped to bargain prices after a year or so and they ran fine if not really well, when I started to look to newer games I upgraded. Internet, email, word processor, video/media, all that worked fine on my old box, most of that works better on this one but somethings like spreadsheets/internet don't really benefit from a new rig and for the most part that is true with most PC users. PC's aren't all used by gamers and enthusiasts anymore there are too many 'casual' users who do their taxes, internet research, etc, on them and don't need to upgrade for many years or until something breaks. Can people like you please stop ignoring the fact that CCP was blindsided by this change to an EXTERNAL library? They had NO intentions of mandating SSE2 for this version. They have NO choice in the matter. They would have to COMPLETELY remove that library otherwise
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:54:00 - [163] Originally by: Zachstar Can people like you please stop ignoring the fact that CCP was blindsided by this change to an EXTERNAL library? They had NO intentions of mandating SSE2 for this version. No. --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 02:57:00 - [164] Originally by: Bhattran Originally by: Zachstar Can people like you please stop ignoring the fact that CCP was blindsided by this change to an EXTERNAL library? They had NO intentions of mandating SSE2 for this version. No. So I guess you are willing to admit that you are here simply to whine? It is too bad that SSE2 was not required 2 years ago. It would have helped make programming easier and your whines would have been just as worthless back then.
Cyxopyc Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.01.18 03:21:00 - [165] Originally by: Zachstar So I guess you are willing to admit that you are here simply to whine? It is too bad that SSE2 was not required 2 years ago. It would have helped make programming easier and your whines would have been just as worthless back then. Stop whining Zach. == Support fixing the EVE UI
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 09:08:00 - [166] I loled. BTW It seems you could take it a step further CCP and go for SSE3. It does seem that Prescott Pentium IVs and such support that as well meaning an even lower amount of folks exist with SSE2 without SSE3.
Tenn soki Gallente Caprican Nomads Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.01.18 09:43:00 - [167] some guy in local the other day was complaining how he had a semperion 3000+ and couldn't afford 100$ to buy a used P4 offa ebay, and that he had a 1 month old kid and a wife to look after... all i could think was... how the hell do you even have time to play eve? real life is way more important than a videogame, so if you can't afford 100$ to upgrade your machine, there's a good reason for it.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.18 10:47:00 - [168] He ought to have set a super long skill to train and stopped his sub I believe that still gives you the rest of the month where your skills will still train. Then he could over time get the funds to upgrade his system. Newegg has mobo/cpu combos cheap as chips and I dont see a single store selling new PCs around here that are not SSE2 enabled.
Stratego Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.01.18 11:34:00 - [169] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Night Epoch I have no doubt the affected players will vehemently and boisterously voice their furious anger in this thread as soon as their carrier pigeons can deliver their posts. Edit: that is if their computers are able to launch Netscape 1.2, then subsequently load eveonline.com, register their mouse click on the news item, and load said web page before windows 3.1 encounters another catastrophic DLL error. I don't think I should be offended in such a way just because i'm not obsessed with upgrading my PC every time new hardware hit the market. Since when was obsession doing something once or twice every decade? Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_microprocessors
Sith LordX	Posted - 2011.01.18 11:56:00 - [170] Edited by: Sith LordX on 18/01/2011 12:05:37 Edited by: Sith LordX on 18/01/2011 11:57:06 Originally by: CCP Fallout Players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs should read this dev blog from CCP Zulu as your gameplay will be affected once EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.0 is deployed. So there are some ppl who use antiques that should be in a museum or thrown off a bridge and really need a upgrade. Yeah that stuff is +10 years ago. As a rule if you don't upgrade every 2 years your behind tech, but +10 years. Those computers have trouble handling anything when its running XP on it after you put a firewall and antivirus on it, it wants to role over and die when you do anything else on it. Its funny to me ppl still have computers this old, I upgrade my stuff like every year by trade mostly. Its really not hard to have a high end system when you resell year old stuff for newer stuff. But wow, if you wait 10+ years your computer costs $5 bucks on ebay. I think it will be a wile before my Phenom II becomes antique much less having SSE support issues. XDD Still waiting for anything to stress a quad core above 10% at 4ghz. 4Gig DDR3, HD5770 = Many eves at max settings. Hell any game so far is maxed out with that. All my DX11 games, and crysis (The siposed PC killer) My hardware laughs at it.

Jin Nongmin Chinese ISK Farmers	Posted - 2011.01.18 12:06:00 - [171] Ni Hao !! This news make many sad !! 1000 famiry now stalve no income !! I quit game !! -1000 account not paying !! Lucky numbel 8 16 29 50 63
Sith LordX	Posted - 2011.01.18 12:10:00 - [172] Originally by: Jin Nongmin Ni Hao !! This news make many sad !! 1000 famiry now stalve no income !! I quit game !! -1000 account not paying !! Lucky numbel 8 16 29 50 63 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, & 42 These numbers beat all. And they have meaning. XDD
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2011.01.18 12:55:00 - [173] Edited by: Vaneshi SnowCrash on 18/01/2011 12:59:39 Originally by: Illectroculus Defined 2005 was also the year that the Xbox360 launched, are you suggesting that it's also obsolete? Technically it is. The GPU has long since been surpassed, the CPU (I think it's a POWER4 deriv and IBM has released POWER6 a while back) is in the same boat. It doesn't have a lot of system RAM either. OTOH all it has to do is run Xbox360 games, designed to run on a 360 and output to a maximum of 720p which is pretty easy in terms of grunt required these days. It's technical obsolescence doesn't detract from it being a good games machine.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:14:00 - [174] i still vote for ccp upgrading to sm3 graphics and cpu just to make the game REALLY REALLY pretty :)
Zenst Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:20:00 - [175] Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Originally by: Vallek Arkonnis It's not about obsession over having bleeding-edge hardware, it's about having hardware that's less than 8 years old. Processors without SSE2 support were still being made in mainstream systems until 2005, so it's not 8 years. 2005 was also the year that the Xbox360 launched, are you suggesting that it's also obsolete? 6 year old hardware? Yes. Plus the cost of the consoles are partially subsidized by game sales, not so with PC's. The Athlon XP and P3 became obsolete the moment the Athlon64's and P4's debuted. Should everyone and their mothers have upgraded right then and there? No. But several years after the fact on a gaming machine? Yes. There's no reason CCP should freeze their game to 2005 to appease the miniscule amount of the population that are too cheap to upgrade. I like how you totaly managed to ignore the fact that CCP last month in Europe release the commisioned officer edition and upon said box states the min system is a 1.5ghz cpu, NO mention of any SSE needed be it flavours 1-4 in any shape or form. Now given said box release was timed to coincide with the latest expansion I would say thjat CCP royaly fudged this up and realy should offer those effected some alternative option even if its getting some dev to compile a ruddy lib without sse support and offer that to those effected. It is a limitation but it's one iumpossed by ignorance, arragance and sheer and utter lazyness, beyond that utter **-poor notice and we have the reciept for a SNAFU. Yes it's old tech but thats not the point, they advertised and still today do with the box set currently available a game that has a min spec that coome this patch wont run eve at all due to this arragant oversight. Remember if this was effecting you then would you be as fair and unjudgemental about it as I dont see anybody effected going - oh yeah my tech was old - 2 days notice - thats fair enough and funnily enough you never will. Those that have dont apprecieate the situations of those that do not and that level of mindset is up there with racisim, dictatorships and general **wads. WHich one are you roleplaying today!
Spamik	Posted - 2011.01.18 15:17:00 - [176] Edited by: Spamik on 18/01/2011 15:19:20 Originally by: CCP Fallout Players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs should read this dev blog from CCP Zulu as your gameplay will be affected once EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.0 is deployed. Im from poor family and I cant afford new computer . This mean I cant play EVE anymore
Ormus Vinge	Posted - 2011.01.18 15:17:00 - [177] Edited by: Ormus Vinge on 18/01/2011 15:27:56 "We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue." Don't forget to peti, if you have Problems. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=844
FriarTuk6969	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:12:00 - [178] Yes, the P3 is slow, but my AMD system had no issues till now. It happily ran everything I put on it. Loads quick, plays video and DVDs perfect. My AGP Radion goes to 1440 res. I buy most new "games" for my PS3. I knew I would upgrade someday when I needed to but until now I had 0 reasons to. Yes, CCP was blindsided but not nearly as much as us .3%rs. The issue is the short notice. I'm not going to run out today and buy a new system. I will get one soon. To all those moaning about us complaining, I bet they would be screaming if they were the ones affected.
Adolyse	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:03:00 - [179] Edited by: Adolyse on 18/01/2011 17:04:03 Originally by: Ormus Vinge Edited by: Ormus Vinge on 18/01/2011 15:27:56 "We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue." Don't forget to peti, if you have Problems. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=844 Yeah, yeah. I did it, and GM said that to play EVE I need a CPU with SSE2 technology ... So don't waste your time.
Spamik	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:16:00 - [180] Edited by: Spamik on 18/01/2011 17:19:38 Originally by: Adolyse Edited by: Adolyse on 18/01/2011 17:04:03 Originally by: Ormus Vinge Edited by: Ormus Vinge on 18/01/2011 15:27:56 "We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue." Don't forget to peti, if you have Problems. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=844 Yeah, yeah. I did it, and GM said that to play EVE I need a CPU with SSE2 technology ... So don't waste your time. omg! I dont have moneys for better computer and I will not have! Im glad I can pay for internet! I can trash my account

Hezbe Allah State War Academy	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:43:00 - [181] Edited by: Hezbe Allah on 18/01/2011 17:46:44 Originally by: Dungee Alstot You just made my fiancee very angry. She thought I was done with this game finally. This game is for adults, little children shouldn't be playing this game. Speaking of age, are you old enough to get married, considering you still need to be told what to do. The tears in this thread. I relish them, keep them coming girls. All the whining of the cheap, controlled and little children is making my day, please never stop To make up for all you 'men', who are so under the thumb you need to beg your lord and master to be allowed five minutes to do something for yourself, my wife is going to spend the rest of the day remaking all my avatars, because she loves doing that. See, children? We can be adults... at least some of us, and accept that CCP have to move on and can't stay in the stone ages, which you are desperately clinging to. My 955BE @ 3.7 8GB RAM and 6870 laugh at you and would love to see EVE updated to SM5.
Annoitte	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:01:00 - [182] Well, this is nice. I guess I'll be taking a beak, after all. It's not like spending more money on upgrading was on my list of **** to do, right?
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:09:00 - [183] Originally by: Hawk TT PhysX DLLs for sure. Just recently they have been updated to use SSE2 ;-) from ze internet: PhysX SDK 2.8.4: Optimized CPU Cloth Simulation So the new avatar generator is to blame ?? loss: unhappy customers gain: able to render a game mechanic irrelevant, small picture of your avatars nose.
Cactusito	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:12:00 - [184] Short sighted the lot of yah......... 3000XP pro chip runs WoW for heavens sake.... but not eve, I took a break from WOW to come back.. ah well.... /close account. LOG ON WOW.
Rin Ji Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:30:00 - [185] Chances are, someone else will buy the PLEX you would have bought... Maybe we'll survive that loss. Have fun with the elves. Naughty me? Ooops...
Mythio Delphi	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:46:00 - [186] Well my computer is two years old. An Intel Celeron and I can log into the game but the character creator crashes my video. Great improvement. Not sure I am going to like being a silhuette on two accounts.
Ormus Vinge	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:05:00 - [187] Don't you ppl. get it? It's about the: "Hello Sir, we want to inform you, that the game will no longer work on your computer by TOMORROW" That's all I am concerned of. Sure, we can all get some dualcore whatever for 200 bucks... NOT the problem. thx Ormus
Dan Spitty Gallente Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:07:00 - [188] I knew some bastard would force me to upgrade my steam-powered machine, didn't think it would be CCP... Going to have to borrow a friends to swap skills until I'm upgraded :) sits by the fire with a pipe
Dave Day Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:12:00 - [189] Originally by: Ormus Vinge Don't you ppl. get it? It's about the: "Hello Sir, we want to inform you, that the game will no longer work on your computer by TOMORROW" Well said. My PC was bought 2 days ago and i'm pretty sure it'll take whatever is thrown at it, so it doesn't affect me. But to the people on here who are having so much fun knocking those with older machines, Ormus is quite right. it's not so much the fact that Eve won't run on their machines anymore, it's the 12 hour notice period. Come on folks, show some understanding eh? **** might happen to you one day too.
Dan Spitty Gallente Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:20:00 - [190] Originally by: Dave Day it's not so much the fact that Eve won't run on their machines anymore, it's the 12 hour notice period. Come on folks, show some understanding eh? **** might happen to you one day too. 12 Hours it a bit rough, been busy with work and found out 90mins ago !! :) To be honest, I'd play this damn game in wire-frame mode if that was the only option going for my system :)

Diaishi Akye	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:43:00 - [191] 'Come hither, Little One,' said the Crocodile. 'Why do you ask such things?' Originally by: Tenn soki some guy in local the other day was complaining how he had a semperion 3000+ and couldn't afford 100$ to buy a used P4 offa ebay, and that he had a 1 month old kid and a wife to look after... all i could think was... how the hell do you even have time to play eve? real life is way more important than a videogame, so if you can't afford 100$ to upgrade your machine, there's a good reason for it.
Rixon01	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:20:00 - [192] This is more than unreasonable, I'm in a mechanical engineering degree, running a over clocked Athalon XP 3200 and a HD 3870. I'm easily able to afford the monthly fee of eve, but FORCING a customer like me who is about to spend +100 CND on just subscriptions to be unable to run something they look forward to and enjoy? I don't have the time to work and build a new computer, nor the money. CCP, I am EXTREMELY disappointed.
Amy Elteam	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:29:00 - [193] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Originally by: Hawk TT PhysX DLLs for sure. Just recently they have been updated to use SSE2 ;-) from ze internet: PhysX SDK 2.8.4: Optimized CPU Cloth Simulation So the new avatar generator is to blame ?? loss: unhappy customers gain: able to render a game mechanic irrelevant, small picture of your avatars nose. Perhaps the reason that CCP have been so quiet on the exact cause is because of the amount of rage that this would cause. CCP keep telling us that Incarna will be optional and won't directly affect players who don't want to participate, well I'd say that dropping support for hundreds of players because they won't be able to simulate hair correctly is a direct effect. Even moreso when you consider that the 'hair physics' is only used during avatar generation, and even then it's optional. Of course, I'd love for CCP devs to come forward and prove me wrong - I love hearing the juicy technical details of things breaking.
Knalldari Testpilot	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:09:00 - [194] Originally by: Chribba Now that was a short heads up... this! Subscribe today to "EVE Dominion - the Browser Game"
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:11:00 - [195] Again will you people PLEASE stop acting like idiots. CCP again had NO INTENTIONS of forcing SSE2 use (Especially in only 2 days THINK idiots!) Nvidia decided all the sudden to go SSE2 which had been a request of many devs from many studios alot bigger than CCP for a WHILE now. Yes it is for the cloth simulation but had CCP known and the issue big enough I am almost 100 percent sure in my opinion that CCP would do something to have helped such as a way to play without using the creator for some time. However 96 percent of other folks HAVE cores that can run eve and it would not be fair in the slightest to have delayed because YOU refused to upgrade. If CCP has offered a way to help I say follow their instructions in my opinion. Perhaps they can give you a free month or two once you return or maybe implement a way to run without the creator for now. I don;t know but it doesn't help when you come up here spreading lies about CCP.
Rixon01	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:46:00 - [196] Originally by: Zachstar Again will you people PLEASE stop acting like idiots. CCP again had NO INTENTIONS of forcing SSE2 use (Especially in only 2 days THINK idiots!) Nvidia decided all the sudden to go SSE2 which had been a request of many devs from many studios alot bigger than CCP for a WHILE now. Yes it is for the cloth simulation but had CCP known and the issue big enough I am almost 100 percent sure in my opinion that CCP would do something to have helped such as a way to play without using the creator for some time. However 96 percent of other folks HAVE cores that can run eve and it would not be fair in the slightest to have delayed because YOU refused to upgrade. If CCP has offered a way to help I say follow their instructions in my opinion. Perhaps they can give you a free month or two once you return or maybe implement a way to run without the creator for now. I don;t know but it doesn't help when you come up here spreading lies about CCP. I see what your proving, but you don't have to call us idiots, and refuse to upgrade our hardware. You can see my reasons, and other peoples reasons. It's not who decided to make cloth simulation a standard for most cpu computing, but it's how ccp just broadsided customers like me and others and implemented it without mentioning in a blog that there will be an option for PAYING customers to not use the character creator, it isn't that large of a aspect to loose a estimated .3% of their player base off.
Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:02:00 - [197] Originally by: Hezbe Allah Edited by: Hezbe Allah on 18/01/2011 17:46:44 Originally by: Dungee Alstot You just made my fiancee very angry. She thought I was done with this game finally. This game is for adults, little children shouldn't be playing this game. Speaking of age, are you old enough to get married, considering you still need to be told what to do. Here we see the HurpusDurpus in it's natural environment. It is a bizarre creature prone to random fits of unexplainable rage followed by either uttering incomprehensible sounds which would appear to be it's language, or as in this case, creating crude squiggles in an attempt to assert it's perceived dominance ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
Zeg Quul	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:17:00 - [198] Although I REALLY love the new editor, the way how it was handled (surprise surprise!) is wrong. Just give the non-sse2 folks their old avatar images. While waiting for real Incarna, all can upgrade without rush. Again,nice work with the editor!
Pasteur	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:20:00 - [199] I am one caught in this mess with an AMD XP. I don't think that most of the high tech sarcastic comments are funny nor are they appropriate. Surprising as it might seem, some of us just play the game instead of spending all of our time reading forums. For lo these many years that I have played, I have never responded to a forum message. But this caught me totally off guard. I think that it was very poorly done and that there should have been time, as one writer responded, for those of us "old guys" with the "vintage gear" to have the delivery people get a solution to our doorsteps! This is very bad business practice. And I for one am betting it is way more than .3% or whatever that estimate was. If there was ever a log on message to this effect, I will have to humbly bow and apologize, but I am quite certain that there never was any such thing. I am angry and sickened to be treated in such a tacky manner.
Nationalizator Space Shadows	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:47:00 - [200] New CPU is: new motherboard, new memory, new video. Need replace the all hardware fully. The general problem is not hardware and not price, not even the time spent on the selection and assembly of new computer configuration. The general problem for me is installation the all my software to the new computer. This applies to all new licensions for the software, new operation system, new download and new installation client eve-online, migration the all my files and my eve options in the new computer and more other. I can't do it for two days, even for a week I would be hard to do if there is free time. I've been playing for five years in the eve-online. Maybe it's a really long time and now I present a good reason to take a break from playing all of my accounts because I got an kick from CCP on my ass. All the same, I expect a change of system requirements are not earlier than the exit nearest incarna summer. p.s. excuse me for my english

Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:18:00 - [201] Edited by: Zachstar on 19/01/2011 02:18:01 Originally by: Pasteur I am one caught in this mess with an AMD XP. I don't think that most of the high tech sarcastic comments are funny nor are they appropriate. Surprising as it might seem, some of us just play the game instead of spending all of our time reading forums. For lo these many years that I have played, I have never responded to a forum message. But this caught me totally off guard. I think that it was very poorly done and that there should have been time, as one writer responded, for those of us "old guys" with the "vintage gear" to have the delivery people get a solution to our doorsteps! This is very bad business practice. And I for one am betting it is way more than .3% or whatever that estimate was. If there was ever a log on message to this effect, I will have to humbly bow and apologize, but I am quite certain that there never was any such thing. I am angry and sickened to be treated in such a tacky manner. Um I found out via news in EVE it was there and there was notice.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:21:00 - [202] Originally by: Rixon01 Originally by: Zachstar Again will you people PLEASE stop acting like idiots. CCP again had NO INTENTIONS of forcing SSE2 use (Especially in only 2 days THINK idiots!) Nvidia decided all the sudden to go SSE2 which had been a request of many devs from many studios alot bigger than CCP for a WHILE now. Yes it is for the cloth simulation but had CCP known and the issue big enough I am almost 100 percent sure in my opinion that CCP would do something to have helped such as a way to play without using the creator for some time. However 96 percent of other folks HAVE cores that can run eve and it would not be fair in the slightest to have delayed because YOU refused to upgrade. If CCP has offered a way to help I say follow their instructions in my opinion. Perhaps they can give you a free month or two once you return or maybe implement a way to run without the creator for now. I don;t know but it doesn't help when you come up here spreading lies about CCP. I see what your proving, but you don't have to call us idiots, and refuse to upgrade our hardware. You can see my reasons, and other peoples reasons. It's not who decided to make cloth simulation a standard for most cpu computing, but it's how ccp just broadsided customers like me and others and implemented it without mentioning in a blog that there will be an option for PAYING customers to not use the character creator, it isn't that large of a aspect to loose a estimated .3% of their player base off. They had TWO days TWO days TWO days! You cant do JACK in that time especially something as big as keeping the engine disabled until someone goes into the editor that takes a huge effort due to how physics are implemented into the game these days. If you will be patient they have not written you off indications are they are trying to get something together to help those effected in my opinion. However that is likely to only mean game time in the end. You STILL have to upgrade.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:23:00 - [203] Edited by: Zachstar on 19/01/2011 02:23:59 Originally by: Nationalizator New CPU is: new motherboard, new memory, new video. Need replace the all hardware fully. The general problem is not hardware and not price, not even the time spent on the selection and assembly of new computer configuration. The general problem for me is installation the all my software to the new computer. This applies to all new licensions for the software, new operation system, new download and new installation client eve-online, migration the all my files and my eve options in the new computer and more other. I can't do it for two days, even for a week I would be hard to do if there is free time. I've been playing for five years in the eve-online. Maybe it's a really long time and now I present a good reason to take a break from playing all of my accounts because I got an kick from CCP on my ass. All the same, I expect a change of system requirements are not earlier than the exit nearest incarna summer. p.s. excuse me for my english I call BS on (All your accounts) That is a classic whine and nobody believes it so stop using it. And CCP diddnt kick your ass. It was Nvidia that blindsided you and CCP but moreso your lack of computer and industry knowledge kicked your own ass.
Alina Emily	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:03:00 - [204] Now what are my 36 sweatshop children suppose to do all day? This makes me so ronery!
Eulysees Chelt	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:32:00 - [205] Originally by: Tres Farmer I wonder how vocal on the forums those 0.3% will be VERY !! I happen to run one of those "Ancient Machines" and as such have now been forced to stop playing because I get a "Your CPU will not support this game" message...A lot of us cannot afford a new pc....I am a fee paying customer and have lodged two petitions (externally)...I am a proper P1553d of bunny....it is bang out oforder to spring this crap on ppl when they are the ones that afford your new pc's in order that you develope games that are accessable to said ppl....ffs sort this out pls
Eulysees Chelt	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:51:00 - [206] Originally by: Zachstar Originally by: Rixon01 Originally by: Zachstar Again will you people PLEASE stop acting like idiots. CCP again had NO INTENTIONS of forcing SSE2 use (Especially in only 2 days THINK idiots!) Nvidia decided all the sudden to go SSE2 which had been a request of many devs from many studios alot bigger than CCP for a WHILE now. Yes it is for the cloth simulation but had CCP known and the issue big enough I am almost 100 percent sure in my opinion that CCP would do something to have helped such as a way to play without using the creator for some time. However 96 percent of other folks HAVE cores that can run eve and it would not be fair in the slightest to have delayed because YOU refused to upgrade. If CCP has offered a way to help I say follow their instructions in my opinion. Perhaps they can give you a free month or two once you return or maybe implement a way to run without the creator for now. I don;t know but it doesn't help when you come up here spreading lies about CCP. I see what your proving, but you don't have to call us idiots, and refuse to upgrade our hardware. You can see my reasons, and other peoples reasons. It's not who decided to make cloth simulation a standard for most cpu computing, but it's how ccp just broadsided customers like me and others and implemented it without mentioning in a blog that there will be an option for PAYING customers to not use the character creator, it isn't that large of a aspect to loose a estimated .3% of their player base off. They had TWO days TWO days TWO days! You cant do JACK in that time especially something as big as keeping the engine disabled until someone goes into the editor that takes a huge effort due to how physics are implemented into the game these days. If you will be patient they have not written you off indications are they are trying to get something together to help those effected in my opinion. However that is likely to only mean game time in the end. You STILL have to upgrade. With this sort of CCP defence I'm surprised that there isn't a CCP before your name and just how is it that you are privvy to what is in the minds of the devs ?
Mr MILFHunter	Posted - 2011.01.19 06:02:00 - [207] Originally by: Hezbe Allah Edited by: Hezbe Allah on 18/01/2011 17:46:44 Originally by: Dungee Alstot You just made my fiancee very angry. She thought I was done with this game finally. This game is for adults, little children shouldn't be playing this game. Speaking of age, are you old enough to get married, considering you still need to be told what to do. The tears in this thread. I relish them, keep them coming girls. All the whining of the cheap, controlled and little children is making my day, please never stop To make up for all you 'men', who are so under the thumb you need to beg your lord and master to be allowed five minutes to do something for yourself, my wife is going to spend the rest of the day remaking all my avatars, because she loves doing that. See, children? We can be adults... at least some of us, and accept that CCP have to move on and can't stay in the stone ages, which you are desperately clinging to. My 955BE @ 3.7 8GB RAM and 6870 laugh at you and would love to see EVE updated to SM5. maybe we'll just sick the paedo police on your ass and have them have a real good long hard lok at your hd....see how clever you are then
Malla Nkomi Eternity INC.	Posted - 2011.01.19 06:30:00 - [208] Originally by: Ormus Vinge Edited by: Ormus Vinge on 18/01/2011 15:27:56 "We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue." Don't forget to peti, if you have Problems. and the reply you will get is "If you wish I can move this petition to the billing category for you, so you may discuss a refund?"
rittersporn2 Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:18:00 - [209] Here goes my AthlonXP-2100+/1,5GB-RAM/Geforce-6800... It served me well since May 2011. And yes, it ran EVE flawless. Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you) Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
Intergalactic Ethan	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:19:00 - [210] if we're supposed to petition that we're affected by this problem, but can't get into the game to issue the petition, how do you expect to hear from us? I've been running the game successfully for 1.5 years, 2 accounts, 2 computers... both affected by this change lol. checking craigslist for cheap hand-me-downs that will work.... are my computers REALLY worth less than $15? geez.

Gaetring Xana Amarr Unstable Reaction Inc. Without Remorse.	Posted - 2011.01.19 08:34:00 - [211] You can put in a petition via the website. You don't need to be in game to do it. :)
Kobaalt CalrijianZata	Posted - 2011.01.19 10:38:00 - [212] For me the game run almost correctly but the character maker just don't work.I definitly don't understand what i should do.
Notr Eal Caldari Blueball Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:14:00 - [213] Edited by: Notr Eal on 19/01/2011 11:22:17 I got an Athlon XP ... it was running EvE without problems since latest patch. - I know it is an "ancient" processor - I know that computer geeks are angry with people like me that play with "ancient" machines - I know it is not CCP fault but a third party one EvE gave me the opportunity to pay account with in-game effort and isks, and that was PERFECT for me ... now should I buy a new PC to play ? I don't really have the money to do that (what's it ? 300/400e ? :( )... I'm really sad 'cause my EvE time is over. I played yesterday, guested by a friend, and the game turned really amazing ... isn't there really any workaround for this problem ?? I filled the petition as asked, still no answer ... I wait and hope.
Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:41:00 - [214] Originally by: Zachstar They had TWO days TWO days TWO days! You cant do JACK in that time especially something as big as keeping the engine disabled until someone goes into the editor that takes a huge effort due to how physics are implemented into the game these days. If you will be patient they have not written you off indications are they are trying to get something together to help those effected in my opinion. However that is likely to only mean game time in the end. You STILL have to upgrade. Rubbish. All CCP had to do was delay the patch to fully assess the situation and give people reasonable warning /time to take action. Instead they decided to instantly boot a portion of their customer base. Now they are counting the number of cancelled accounts and if it gets high enough they will miraculously develop a fix.
Zeg Quul	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:41:00 - [215] C'mon CCP, make the editor optional or even better an external tool.
Janith Arakz	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:50:00 - [216] This is a shame, used to dual box but now will have to wait for my new PC to arrive. I loved my socket A / AGP machine. It's done me proud... even though it is noisier than the first models of the xbox 360. :)
Linistitul	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:56:00 - [217] Hey Fallout, your game is not working on Pentium 4's neither, even if those processors support SSE2
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:21:00 - [218] Interesting article about PhysX & sse2 : http://physxinfo.com/news/4241/physx-an-easy-target/
Haansu Rwen	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:43:00 - [219] Originally by: CCP Fallout Players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs should read this dev blog from CCP Zulu as your gameplay will be affected once EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.0 is deployed. If my machine can no longer run EVE-Online, I will petition for a pro-rated refund on both my accounts: I can not justify spending upwards of $1,000 for a new machine solely to play a game. Haansu
cratais	Posted - 2011.01.19 16:07:00 - [220] Ive got a kelut 2.02 motherboard running a xp athlon3000+ processor right now does anyone know if their are any processors with sse2 compatible with this motherboard model or am i gonna have to buy a whole new motherboard.

Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:18:00 - [221] There are no pin compatible processors which will support SSE2, sorry, you're basically looking for a new motherboard, memory, processor and OS install. (unless you're some ninja elite linux kernel hacker who wants to ressurrect the SSE2 emulation feature in the linux Kernel) Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Rattus Norwegius	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:43:00 - [222] Quote: We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue. We are half way to the next weekend now. Any news? Can you confirm or deny any intent on to solve this issue? The quoted paragraph alludes to such a possibility, and there are posts in this thread and elsewhere that claim both that you will and that you won't. Soo..
Aztral Bendako	Posted - 2011.01.19 19:03:00 - [223] I have an Athlon64 4000+ on a AsusA8Nsli with 2 gig of ram I cant run the game anymore I do meet the new spec repeat I cant run the game anymore I cant even download a new client im not happy at all
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.01.19 19:28:00 - [224] Edited by: Heimer on 19/01/2011 19:32:03 Originally by: Rattus Norwegius Quote: We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue. We are half way to the next weekend now. Any news? Can you confirm or deny any intent on to solve this issue? The quoted paragraph alludes to such a possibility, and there are posts in this thread and elsewhere that claim both that you will and that you won't. Soo.. The feedback thread on the previous full expansion was abandoned by devs with many issues remaining unresolved. More recently, the PI thread in the test forums was abandoned, with no dev response in the several weeks leading up to this release with issues left unresolved. I recommend not being too surprised if they forget about this thread too.... Just saying. ( ) <- planet (not to scale) áááááá --EhonVonnre
Shalkto Gallente The Tommy Douglas Plan	Posted - 2011.01.19 19:46:00 - [225] Please make a sensible buisness decision and nuke support for this processor line and focus those resources elsewhere.
Gazza00	Posted - 2011.01.19 21:16:00 - [226] Originally by: CCP Fallout Players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs should read this dev blog from CCP Zulu as your gameplay will be affected once EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.0 is deployed. hmmmm not working now and i have a Intel Q6600 quad! great
Zen Sarum	Posted - 2011.01.19 21:32:00 - [227] Despite various jeers my AMD +2400 is perfectly capable of running EVE online even during 1000+ blob warfare and worse still Jita. With this new expansion CCP suddenly no longer supports my CPU. Thank you for your lack of support and/or checks and prior communication before this service was removed. I am glad that I, being apparently part of 0.3% (I suspect poorly calculated, but highly comforting to know thanks) I/we expect we will not be written off and this is a priority issue for CCP. As a valued long term customer I look forward to being pleasantly surprised when a fix is available PRIOR to the weekend. I also look forward to any additional delays in access being reimbursed. So before I go out and buy a new computer I hadn't budgeted for, so I can log in and keep my corp running, can we have a 100% answer whether or not you are going to fix your issue and if so exactly when it will be before the weekend? That is unless you like working weekends
Xorth Adimus Caldari The Perfect Storm Random-Violence	Posted - 2011.01.19 21:59:00 - [228] Quote from Blog 'We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue.' In addition I notice this CPU issue is now up on the requirements to play. In my experience once this happens 'its game over!'. Based on this I look forward to seeing ...no longer supported... on Monday, if you remember to tell us.
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.19 22:18:00 - [229] The Commissioned Officers Edition is still available in stores too, and being advertised with specs that now don't work: CCP - you probably need to either fix the SSE2 requirements soon or contact all the retailers and advise them on the spec changes. Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Debrie	Posted - 2011.01.19 23:24:00 - [230] Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:26:17 C + + update is required for supported AMD (and other older)computers Copy and paste link in following quote (would think CCP woulda told us this) Originally by: Bandit Doggy To the person who found this fix, THANKS! I was one of the ones that EVE would not start. The incursion screen came up for 30 seconds, then nothing. Saw someone post to update your C++. I did it, and EVE runs now. Here is the link for that update: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=200B2FD9-AE1A-4A14-984D-389C36F85647&displaylang=en AMD 64X2 dual core 3.02ghz, 4gb RAM, 2x GeForce 8600 GT same thanx very much , without the post about C + + update my eve gametime would have ended

Dungee Alstot Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.19 23:47:00 - [231] Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:26:17 C + + update is required for supported AMD (and other older)computers Copy and paste link in following quote (would think CCP woulda told us this) Originally by: Bandit Doggy To the person who found this fix, THANKS! I was one of the ones that EVE would not start. The incursion screen came up for 30 seconds, then nothing. Saw someone post to update your C++. I did it, and EVE runs now. Here is the link for that update: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=200B2FD9-AE1A-4A14-984D-389C36F85647&displaylang=en AMD 64X2 dual core 3.02ghz, 4gb RAM, 2x GeForce 8600 GT same thanx very much , without the post about C + + update my eve gametime would have ended Mine are up to date and it still no workie. :-\ ----------------------------------------------- Yes, I did punch that baby. In my defense, however, he was being a jerk.
Lahrahna Gallente Tetraktys United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.20 00:56:00 - [232] Originally by: Father Goose Originally by: Stupid McStupidson Well. Everyone laughed when I bemoaned the ending of support for Commodore 64's, now who's laughing? BEHOLD! YOUR NEW COMMODORE! Shame on them... they should have started with the Vic-20 and cassette recorder. I suppose the Amiga versions are in name only... I don't remeber my Dad's 2000 looking like that Buttercup: "We'll never survive." Westley: "Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has."
TehRoot	Posted - 2011.01.20 01:53:00 - [233] bumped for friend with dead account and non compatible cpu.
Liliane Woodhead Intergalactic Charwomen	Posted - 2011.01.20 03:34:00 - [234] Support the old brooms!
Cerecruse	Posted - 2011.01.20 05:09:00 - [235] One of my friends is getting sent to Iraq, thank you for taking away the only time ill be able to feel like im hanging out with him on eve.
DO4KA COHE4KA	Posted - 2011.01.20 09:16:00 - [236] my 2 alts will go into the block because my Athlon XP does not support SSE2 In what may be frozen and Maine char thanks
Mauop KocMoca	Posted - 2011.01.20 09:35:00 - [237] Happy New Year and bb. КОЗЛЫ ВЫ, другого слова и не подобрать. Sorry for my russian.
Dreadscout	Posted - 2011.01.20 11:14:00 - [238] Edited by: Dreadscout on 20/01/2011 11:16:56 CCP WHY? :( Dont goe the same way like Blizzard killing old Players more and more out of game, changing them with a new wave of childrens... SSE2 Req. is rly bad for me and many buddys, last year i was buying 4 used pc's just for eve. Put over 1.000 Ç to get them run for EVE Online, since then the fun was no problem. Now CCP kicked out all this 4 PC's, 4 Accounts and my happyness! And this just for SSE2 what only goes needed bec. of some other ERROR that makes your Crew Problems? Sry for my broken english but the new Character Creator is not as good. Poorly build and just quantiti... (even i hate The Sims) What ever, kicking out as much Players like me playing since EVE exists and requieres nothing like that are little bit angry. It's a hard Patch for us costs a lot of "real money" to fix it @ Home. And what else should we do, just unsuscribe after this time? No... Dont forget your longest Payers, dont ruin them! Thanks...
Slimmer Fox	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:09:00 - [239] Edited by: Slimmer Fox on 20/01/2011 12:14:42 I received this answer to my petition Quote: Hello, This is a mass reply regarding the support of the SSE2 Instruction Set. I am afraid that it will not be possible to run EVE any longer with CPUs that do not support the SSE2 instruction set, this will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client. Athlon 64 CPUs are however not affected What we can do for you at the moment is to make sure that you do not lose any subscription time you have paid for because of this. You can choose, if you want to be refunded for the time you lose or if you decide to upgrade your system, you can have that time added to your account when you are ready to continue. I sincerely apologize that we were not able to give our players advanced notice on this. Best regards, GM Renril The EVE Online Customer Support Team so you can just ask to be refunded guys
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:17:00 - [240] Originally by: Dreadscout CCP WHY? :( Dont goe the same way like Blizzard killing old Players more and more out of game, changing them with a new wave of childrens.... For ****'s sake, man, get a real computer! It's gratards like you that prevent CCP from using better graphics to begin with. If your computer can't even handle SSE2, then you have no business hindering the progress of EVE for others. --

T'zuki Hiro	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:54:00 - [241] What's upset people most is the fact that this was sprung on us with no warning. Plus, yesterday in town I found computers on display and being sold by major national vendors that only support the basic SSE instruction set, not SSE2, and I had to ask specific questions to find that out.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.20 13:22:00 - [242] Originally by: T'zuki Hiro What's upset people most is the fact that this was sprung on us with no warning. Plus, yesterday in town I found computers on display and being sold by major national vendors that only support the basic SSE instruction set, not SSE2, and I had to ask specific questions to find that out. Okay, I can appreciate that. But seriously, why would you want to play EVE on a 10-year-old computer? You don't really need a i7 980X to play EVE, like I have; but even the mid-end quadcore Q6700, which I possesed before that, amply suffices. And you need a normal graphics card. I have a medium-high end GTX 285, with the latest drivers (266.58, IIRC). See, also the portrait composer won't run with a 10-year old card. People simply need an up-to-date computer (and no, a GTX 285 won't fit in your old AGP slot). So, regardless of SSE2 on your CPU, you simply need a newer computer. There's no way around that. Having said that, I've always disliked that CCP conformed to the lowest common denominator. I'm glad they finally broke that cycle. --
Dreadscout	Posted - 2011.01.20 13:37:00 - [243] Edited by: Dreadscout on 20/01/2011 13:41:04 Originally by: Ranka Mei If your computer can't even handle SSE2, then you have no business hindering the progress of EVE for others. i wrote 4 PCS not 1, total i have 5 PC's, one (my main pc) working well with high graphics for my main account. (and each of these 4 alt-pcs has a ati readion 2600pro whats enough for MY usage, or wanna tell me what i need? all of these 4 pcs had 4gb ram, enough power for the work they are optimized are, just now SSE2 (CPU) makes it horrible, not to change....) But the 4 other PC's are just for eve and nothing else. They work until the last Patch Day perfectly for eve on low graphics. Dont need Highend and expansive things for these PC's "UNTIL NOW"... Never had Problems with the Client until now. And the only Reason why CCP requires now SSE2 is to fix another Problem from a "third software" makes them troubles. Means it's not needed to play eve, until now it wasnt needed, why now? just for character creation? damn hell, ... no ^^ Sry but cant understand why CCP noticed that Problem to late. Well, i'm buying 2 new and could throw 4 older ones ( worked until now perfectly, but now ccp means they are **** :o) ), the 2 new ones costs me now up to Ç 850 / 1.000 again. 1.000 Ç from last Year.... Ç 2.000 nice... Well, what ever...., rest in peace
Solarissa Fey	Posted - 2011.01.20 15:50:00 - [244] May I highlight that my "old" machine that no longer runs eve was previously able to run the game in hd (1900 x 1200) with most visual settings on high with a solid framerate. Just because the processor was a litle long in the tooth doesn't mean the system as a whole is creaky. I have a nice dx10 gfx card. Unfortunately it's not as simple as upgrading processor - I need new mb as well, which would mean new ram too, and a new gfx card to boot. Not an inexpensive purchase, particularly just to play one game.
Lydia d'Luminaire	Posted - 2011.01.20 16:54:00 - [245] Any news on your plans on this issue, CCP? Why not just tell us? No point in panic-buying a new computer if the old one will work again in a few days, but you really need to tell us what your plans are. Waiting patiently for a fix if you have no intent of providing one is something that can easily be avoided by a short post here. Please? Why the secrecy? While I understand it is possible to get game time refunds, I wonder if the GM's will be helpfull with those that have POS'es in space they cannot log in to fuel nor take down?
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:03:00 - [246] "In related news: in a brilliant stroke of genius CCP wiped out thousands of Russian and Chinese macro-miners in one foul swoop, in what our sources tell us was aptly named 'Operation SSE2.' Many Chinese ISK-farming sweatshops, still running computers from Mao's days, had to close, the gnashing of their teeth despite. And there was much rejoicing amongst the honest players! More at eleven!" --
Zerakix Minmatar The White Mantle	Posted - 2011.01.20 19:00:00 - [247] Originally by: T'zuki Hiro What's upset people most is the fact that this was sprung on us with no warning. Plus, yesterday in town I found computers on display and being sold by major national vendors that only support the basic SSE instruction set, not SSE2, and I had to ask specific questions to find that out. What major national retailer is still selling hardware that is 7years old well unless you live in some 3rd world country... I mean Intel released SSE2 with the P4 all the way back in 2001 and AMD supported it with he Athlon 64 in 2003. Eve shouldn't be help back because someone has almost 6year old hardware. On a somewhat unrelated note CCP should announce tomorrow they are dropping DirectX 9/SM3.0 support in 2years so all the whiners will know to upgrade in the next 2years. I fail.
T'zuki Hiro	Posted - 2011.01.20 19:25:00 - [248] I, like everyone affected by this, knew we'd have to upgrade for Incarna and walking in stations, and like me, I guess they've been budgeting so as to get a decent up to date machine ready in time, but this landed on us with no warning. So... next time it could be *you* caught out by CCP changing the hardware spec required to play Eve without any prior warning.
Haansu Rwen	Posted - 2011.01.20 19:39:00 - [249] Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:26:17 C + + update is required for supported AMD (and other older)computers Copy and paste link in following quote (would think CCP woulda told us this) Originally by: Bandit Doggy To the person who found this fix, THANKS! I was one of the ones that EVE would not start. The incursion screen came up for 30 seconds, then nothing. Saw someone post to update your C++. I did it, and EVE runs now. Here is the link for that update: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=200B2FD9-AE1A-4A14-984D-389C36F85647&displaylang=en AMD 64X2 dual core 3.02ghz, 4gb RAM, 2x GeForce 8600 GT same thanx very much , without the post about C + + update my eve gametime would have ended Whoa! I'm not computer savvy! In English, please! Only computer-pros permitted to play EVE? Can we non-Teckies get a refund, now? BTW: There's no link in the quoted text
Sothryn Omidira	Posted - 2011.01.20 20:48:00 - [250] Windows only: Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) "The Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) installs runtime components of Visual C++ Libraries required to run applications developed with Visual C++ on a computer that does not have Visual C++ 2005 installed." Originally by: Haansu Rwen Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:26:17 C + + update is required for supported AMD (and other older)computers Copy and paste link in following quote (would think CCP woulda told us this) Originally by: Bandit Doggy To the person who found this fix, THANKS! I was one of the ones that EVE would not start. The incursion screen came up for 30 seconds, then nothing. Saw someone post to update your C++. I did it, and EVE runs now. Here is the link for that update: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=200B2FD9-AE1A-4A14-984D-389C36F85647&displaylang=en AMD 64X2 dual core 3.02ghz, 4gb RAM, 2x GeForce 8600 GT same thanx very much , without the post about C + + update my eve gametime would have ended Whoa! I'm not computer savvy! In English, please! Only computer-pros permitted to play EVE? Can we non-Teckies get a refund, now? BTW: There's no link in the quoted text

Trambalazana	Posted - 2011.01.20 20:57:00 - [251] The problem is that this has been dropped on people without proper warning. See, when you run a business, you cannot make such changes without warning your customers. Per se, if I change a company¦s opening hours from 8AM to 13:00 PM without warning to the customers, I¦m going to get some flak on my decision. Think about this. Right now I cannot logon to get my training queue active, but I¦m paying everyday for the game. It¦s the same of cutting down the electrical power to your house, with no warning, because you must get a new meter, because yours is too old. Fine, you¦ll buy a new one, but you shouldn¦t be forced to live in candlelight because someone behind a desk decided it. CCP should have been clearer abut this measure. I, for one am suspending my eve account. This is a bad business practice. And it will have a price.
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.20 21:43:00 - [252] Originally by: Zachstar They had TWO days TWO days TWO days! You cant do JACK in that time especially something as big as keeping the engine disabled until someone goes into the editor that takes a huge effort due to how physics are implemented into the game these days. Right, it's not like anyone noticed it on sisi and bugreported when they first made build with character creator. It's just suddenly appeared to them on sunday "hey, it won't run unless you have sse2" Well, hope my stuff will be still intact by the time I'll get myself to buy new PC
BearUkraine	Posted - 2011.01.20 23:50:00 - [253] Originally by: Trambalazana The problem is that this has been dropped on people without proper warning. This warning was not done in a timely manner, because CCP found this trouble just for 1 or 2 days before deployment.
Janith Arakz	Posted - 2011.01.21 00:03:00 - [254] Someone posted in the forums about this problem at the beginning of november!
0PEN Trader	Posted - 2011.01.21 01:40:00 - [255] For all the cynics (especially representatives of the CCP) about 0.3%. From a man who lost his Athlon XP safely due to these curves snouts. Open Price History in Jita. And look. A very close look. On most goods turnover Quote: decreased by thirty percent from 18.01. CCP drew the attention to it? Let's dialogue. Here. Now, do you have questions, about 0,3% of "sitting on the calculators? It's all lies.
Rasz Lin Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.21 01:49:00 - [256] Can we get a confirmation that is indeed NVIDIA and stupid useless APEX that is to blame? Is CCP another company taking bribes (in form of marketing budget money) from Nvidia for implementing exclusive questionable technologies designed to fight Nvidia's competitors and narrow consumer choices? It usually works like this - company X develops a game, game runs great on ATI and NVIDIA. Nvidia contacts company X, pays them for "advertising" in form on Nvidia logo when the game starts. All of a sudden game from company X stops supporting DX 10.1 and works slower on ATI.
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2011.01.21 03:36:00 - [257] Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 21/01/2011 03:43:01 Originally by: 0PEN Trader Open Price History in Jita. And look. A very close look. On most goods turnover Quote: decreased by thirty percent from 18.01. CCP drew the attention to it? Yes, the graphs are showing something, a volume drop...but what is behind it ? Are Jita trader alts using older computers ?? Maybe. Maybe people are just waiting till this patch runs less bumpy.
n30na	Posted - 2011.01.21 05:33:00 - [258] I do hope that if they're going to require sse2, that they at least make an effort to build all possible binaries with sse2 optimizations, might as well get a little performance boost out of it :P
Rasz Lin Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:29:00 - [259] Originally by: n30na I do hope that if they're going to require sse2, that they at least make an effort to build all possible binaries with sse2 optimizations, might as well get a little performance boost out of it :P Yes, because compiler level optimization will help with single threaded INTERPRETED CODE full of o(n2) monsters
0PEN Trader	Posted - 2011.01.21 09:46:00 - [260] Let's ask the CCP: How many petitions you receive from players with Athlon XP/P3? 300? (100000 * 0.3%) Will be the answer? I say to that "CCP has conducted a study of the market and found that legacy platforms used only 0,3% of the population." Loop through stupid options. a) If Jita turnover decreased by 30% - this means that people can not trite to enter the game to buy / sell - or do they strike? b) If 0.3% is roughly 30% of "population" of trade in the Forge region - that the most conservative estimations at least 10-20% of the players of Eve "sit on calculators" have played and do not bother. That is 0.3% of the declared CCP - a trite crap. Trying to reassure those who had Athlon or P4 - they say you have here a unit - and because you will not bother anybody (well, think of it, stuffed new library - what for now the old stick?). Go and buy yourself a new MB + CPU + memory + VideoCard + Power Supply + new HDD (IDE is a rarity) + DVD (same reason) + reinstall all the software and OS running on your computer. Well, the mouse - keyboard - case - and monitor of the old companies can leave the same. And there are many of us, as shown by a trivial market analysis Eve. Oops? PS: Dumb question. If a person with computer all is well, and it normally starts Eve - what for, he climbs into the topic - for those who have a problem with the game - and Troll - like I'm cool peppers - and all of you f..ng sh...t - Because you have an outdated platform, and you still do not bother? It seems to me that all those who have engaged in here too ... or not ... Oh well. I think it clever to understand me... Let's ask the CCP: How many petitions you receive from players with Athlon XP/P3? 300? (100000 * 0.3%) Will be the answer?

Lifekiller	Posted - 2011.01.21 12:33:00 - [261] Edited by: Lifekiller on 21/01/2011 12:36:05 at least there are more then 0,3% involved, external Statics means something over 10-10%. Sample is just my Alliance, arround 40% having this Problems now and are "offline". Arround our Regions its quieter then ever, nobody Online, the most perm. Offline... Normal it's different bec. they wanna hold their Systems. Over 5 of my Buddys having the same Problems... Now count it up to EVE and all others... (just buddys and people we know having this problem are up to 73!) I'm noticing a big change since SSE2 and CCP kicking all these Computers out. Many many ALT-Computers are may no unusable and means that many Alts are Offline. What ever, like us, over 8 Alt-Chars are currently unused and perm. Offline. And arround 4-5 Main Chars.... Good done CPP, and only for this little new gimmick....
CatiaVanessa	Posted - 2011.01.21 13:02:00 - [262] Any news on this problem?? Has anyone got any reply to any petitions regarding this?
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2011.01.21 13:48:00 - [263] Originally by: 0PEN Trader Let's ask the CCP: How many petitions you receive from players with Athlon XP/P3? Also people who are affected can start a poll (CSM), so the community can get some verifiable numbers.
0PEN Trader	Posted - 2011.01.21 13:53:00 - [264] Originally by: CatiaVanessa Any news on this problem?? Has anyone got any reply to any petitions regarding this? Yepp. Standart answer. Look. Hi. I¦m afraid that it will not be possible to run EVE any longer with CPUs that do not support SSE2, this will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client. Athlon 64 CPUs are however not affected I'm afraid the only thing we can do for you at the moment is to make sure that you don't lose any subscription time you have paid for because of this. You can choose if you want to be refunded for the time you lose or if you decide to upgrade your system, you can have that time added to your account when you are ready to continue. We sincerely apologize that we were not able to give our players a more advanced notice on this. Best regards, Senior GM Retrofire EVE Online Customer Support
Stonos	Posted - 2011.01.21 14:00:00 - [265] Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 pushed up 80% load during the character creation... something wrong there right? its graphical yet my cpu has to do all the work? points at his "NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2" so whats the point of having this? lol im am disappointed.... yea it worked for me but had a buddy who couldnt run it.... he says he has E1200 somebody confirm it has SSE2? websites from google not clear on this...
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 18:10:00 - [266] Originally by: T'zuki Hiro What's upset people most is the fact that this was sprung on us with no warning. Plus, yesterday in town I found computers on display and being sold by major national vendors that only support the basic SSE instruction set, not SSE2, and I had to ask specific questions to find that out. Where is this? Frankly I wouldn't trust the average sales drone to be able to answer this question correctly, and most modern processors do in fact support SSE2. The AMD Geode processor which is used in some Netbooks is only example I can think of and those netbooks also lack proper graphics cards. Vote Illectro for CSM5! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Kheldaris	Posted - 2011.01.21 20:08:00 - [267] As part of the .03% I can honestly say this shocked me. Not that the hardware requirements were upgraded...but that the Devs KNEW it was going to happen and just didn t tell anyone. I have never in my life had an MMO I am paying for just STOP working out of the blue with no intent to fix the problem. My account was JUST renewed the day of the patch and now I can t play. AND I am a fairly new player trying to catch up in skills, so this REALLY screws me. Thanks a lot for the warning on this guys.
Trambalazana	Posted - 2011.01.22 01:06:00 - [268] I just read this as "I don¦t need users with old computers" and "I don¦t really care what happens to them". So, as CCP makes the most money with people with SSE2 computers, and neglect PLAYERS with older systems why bother giving them my money? At least a warning or a optional patch...
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.22 09:50:00 - [269] Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/01/2011 09:50:12 Dear CCP, I applaud your direction of no longer catering to the lowest common denominator. Please, ignore the moaning of folks with 10 year old computers: they've been holding the development of the game back for too long as it is; and I am glad all y'all finally came to your senses and decided to go with the times. The character creation is a veritable work of art. That there's a handful of people with archaic computers who can't play the game any more as a result, I frankly don't care about them at all. I know, that sounds callous, or otherwise uncaring. But if only they were willing and/or able to see how unreasonable they are, they would not so bitterly complain. It's simply time for those folks to update their gear -- whether they like to hear that or not. You make no crazy demands on hardware at all: only that people can't use their grandfather's computer any more. So be it. I hope you will continue on your path to graphical excellence. With Incarana around the corner, I can only imagine (and hope) that you will present the same level of graphical beauty. And maybe stations can get a graphical overhaul too? And perhaps we can see missiles fire from actual launchers (instead of just appearing out of thin air). Anyway, I'm glad you took this brave, but nonetheless necessary step to keep up with the level of design seen in other games. It will, for certain, ensure your bright future. And the SSE2 folks, they're a remnant of the past, and they should stay there. --
0PEN Trader	Posted - 2011.01.22 10:32:00 - [270] Girl, you seem wrong with the channel. Praise about the buggy editor dug write elsewhere. Go and Come and play with dolls with the editor on your new computer, which bought you daddy and mommy, and do not bother us to deal with CCP.

Shatter Resistant	Posted - 2011.01.22 11:18:00 - [271] CCP Blatantly admiting that this will stop "paying" players from running accounts. Be it only "Alts" machines who just mine away. Its still aparently 0.3% the player base (wait for the flame post ..blah blah buy new pc cheapskate etc)* I think that CCP have overlooked a bigger issue - Each time i upgrade, my old machines become the alt character box. so now i cant use my alt account at the same time. Question is what do CCP intend to do and Why isnt there more information regarding it This only came around because of the "Carbon avatar" stuff that really isnt needed for 100% of the game guaranteed that CCP wont offer any recompense for the last minute "oh wait" you cant play anymore bad luck. Give more information CCP - i want to know before i end up paying you more momney for a wasted account
Glenn Morangie	Posted - 2011.01.22 15:44:00 - [272] CCP responded to my petition and I replied back: -2 Paid accounts Sent - 1/20/2011 5:41:00 PM --------------------------------------------------- Hi. I am afraid that it will not be possible to run EVE any longer with CPUs that do not support the SSE2 instruction set, this will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client. Athlon 64 CPUs are however not affected. More information regarding this can be found at http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=844 What we can do for you at the moment is to make sure that you do not lose any subscription time you have paid for because of this. You can choose, if you want to be refunded for the time you lose or if you decide to upgrade your system, you can have that time added to your account when you are ready to continue. I sincerely apologize that we were not able to give our players advanced notice on this. Best regards, GM Renril The EVE Online Customer Support Team --------------------------------------------------- GM Renril, Please refund ALL subscription fees paid for the current period and cancel my subscription to your game. Unfortunately you solution requires far more than a simple "upgrade". In fact, I would be required to purchase a new PC. Since my current PC is working fine on the vast majority of applications and games I see no reason to "upgrade". And since you have chosen to exclude my current breed of PC then I see no reason to continue paying your subscription fee. Please refund ALL subscription fees paid for the current period and cancel my subscription to your game. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Reeper 2435	Posted - 2011.01.22 19:44:00 - [273] Well, get off your horse, it's legs are broke. My laptop is 5 years old, sse2 compliant, and i cant run eve worth spit. I'm either locked up after jumping a gate or getting locked up with an igfx error. IMO, they need to reset the server and redo this update. Im all for progress, but sweet lord, they seemed to have junbled something up badly. Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/01/2011 09:50:12 Dear CCP, I applaud your direction of no longer catering to the lowest common denominator. Please, ignore the moaning of folks with 10 year old computers: they've been holding the development of the game back for too long as it is; and I am glad all y'all finally came to your senses and decided to go with the times. The character creation is a veritable work of art. That there's a handful of people with archaic computers who can't play the game any more as a result, I frankly don't care about them at all. I know, that sounds callous, or otherwise uncaring. But if only they were willing and/or able to see how unreasonable they are, they would not so bitterly complain. It's simply time for those folks to update their gear -- whether they like to hear that or not. You make no crazy demands on hardware at all: only that people can't use their grandfather's computer any more. So be it. I hope you will continue on your path to graphical excellence. With Incarana around the corner, I can only imagine (and hope) that you will present the same level of graphical beauty. And maybe stations can get a graphical overhaul too? And perhaps we can see missiles fire from actual launchers (instead of just appearing out of thin air). Anyway, I'm glad you took this brave, but nonetheless necessary step to keep up with the level of design seen in other games. It will, for certain, ensure your bright future. And the SSE2 folks, they're a remnant of the past, and they should stay there.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.22 20:14:00 - [274] Originally by: Zeg Quul C'mon CCP, make the editor optional or even better an external tool. what are you going on about? the character creator has nothing to do with this change. didn't you read the blog?
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.23 00:25:00 - [275] Originally by: Reeper 2435 Well, get off your horse, it's legs are broke. My laptop is 5 years old, sse2 compliant, and i cant run eve worth spit. I'm either locked up after jumping a gate or getting locked up with an igfx error. IMO, they need to reset the server and redo this update. Im all for progress, but sweet lord, they seemed to have junbled something up badly. Funny, I'm never locked up after jumping a gate; nor do I get weird igfx errors. In fact, this has been one of the smoothest updates ever. Sorry, mate, guess it's you, after all. --
Amy Elteam	Posted - 2011.01.23 00:51:00 - [276] Originally by: PTang what are you going on about? the character creator has nothing to do with this change. didn't you read the blog? The blog merely blames 'third party DLL's' - the 3rd party DLL's most likely responsible are the PhysX libraries from NVidia which are used for physically simulating cloth and hair in the character editor. So, until CCP comes and explains otherwise the general opinion is that this is due to the new character creator, and an optional part of it at that.
Leocadminone	Posted - 2011.01.23 05:58:00 - [277] Originally by: Callic Veratar This isn't even an issue of latest and greatest systems, or even bottom of the barrel computers. Pentium 3 systems are between 8 and 12 years old. Most people don't even keep cars that long. (1) Most of the cars I've owned have hit 20 years old before they died. Most people NOWADAYS do in fact have cars that are a decade or more old. Don't assume everyone buys NEW cars. (2) I'll state that I'm definitely an exception, but I have some computer systems that are 15-20 years old. They're fine for playing older games, my firewall/gateway/router computer runs on an AMD K6 and only has that 'cause I needed to be able to put a couple PCI LAN cards in the machine (used to use a K5 AKA Original Pentium-class machine, it was PLENTY to handle a cable-modem connection or DSL). (3) I currently 3-box Everquest - 2 of those machines are Athlon XP-1800 based boxes that are close to a decade old and handle EQ just fine. They were also overkill back when I was playing with WoW. (4) Athlon-XP based systems were still being sold new 5-6 years ago, though most folks had moved to 64-bit based CPUs by then. On the other hand, current entry-level new machines are a lot higher performance than anything P3 or even Athlon-XP based.... So, in basis of FACT, this is about computers that by current standards are bottom of the barrel or very close. You might be amazed how many 10-year-old computers are still in daily use - a lot of folks can't AFFORD to upgrade to the "latest and greatest" every year or two or even 5. For the record, the lowest machines I currently run Eve on are Semperon-64 based using NVidea 6100 or 6150 onboard graphics. They don't seem to like the character creator, but still run Eve itself just fine.
Hino Sakura Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.23 19:14:00 - [278] Bite the bullet, CCP! Implement SSE3 and PS 3.0 too, please. My performance improved after the patch, probably due to the use of SIMD calls in various locations (maths done with these can be orders of magnitude faster as well as more accurate in some cases). For the record, I play on an Aspire 5103 (that's a Turion X2 & Radeon Mobility X1600) which is pretty ancient (and actually physically wearing out now). Get over it - it's great that your old machine was able to stay running, run EVE and do whatever else you cared about but please don't pretend it's not obsolete and that this is some scam to make to you buy 'bleeding edge' hardware.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.23 21:45:00 - [279] Originally by: Hino Sakura Bite the bullet, CCP! Implement SSE3 and PS 3.0 too, please. My performance improved after the patch, probably due to the use of SIMD calls in various locations (maths done with these can be orders of magnitude faster as well as more accurate in some cases). For the record, I play on an Aspire 5103 (that's a Turion X2 & Radeon Mobility X1600) which is pretty ancient (and actually physically wearing out now). Get over it - it's great that your old machine was able to stay running, run EVE and do whatever else you cared about but please don't pretend it's not obsolete and that this is some scam to make to you buy 'bleeding edge' hardware. I applaud that you have the guts to admit this to yourself, even though you have older hardware. Chapeau! It's very simple, folks: you want fancier things, you need fancier hardware. --
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2011.01.23 23:09:00 - [280] Yeah well...let us recap what has been dropped over the years... Windows 98 Windows ME Windows 2000 The Classic Client Shader Model 1.0 SSE CPUs (Celerons and older) The Official Linux Client (still running on wine) SSE2 CPUs (Pentium III and older) And the future: Shader Model 2.0 by March, 2011 Windows XP by April 8, 2014 Windows Vista by April 11, 2017 Shader Model 3.0 around that time too So i wonder what would EVE be if we had a stripped down client as was asked for many times over the years? Would we have PCUs well beyond the 100.000 online users mark? It is all about choice and not being able to run alts on older computers or do market orders and chat from a low spec machine at work is limiting choice and in the end is limiting the gaming experience. Seriously, i can't wait until the popular netbooks with GMA945 are not supported anymore during the first half of 2011. I hope the uproar will be strong enough to motivate CCP to release a low graphics client that will run anywhere. Oh well...since that dream isn't going to happen, i might as well put the crappy old hardware on ebay and fetch myself new stuff for teh interwebs spaceshipz...

IM0001 Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.26 19:52:00 - [281] The fact that EVE has supported such old hardware this long is amazing in itself. But to continue to push the envelope and keep looking fresh compared to newer games that may try to take people away from EVE based on looks alone, CCP needs to up the requirements and stop using old code when there is newer code that can improve performance while also improving visuals, lag, etc. If CCP kept every bit of support for all the ancient hardware that was used back when EVE first came out, the game would not only be much larger than it currently is, it would probably also take forever to get patches/updates/new content, and the overall experience for everyone would be much, much worse. It is a sad truth that your old 6-10 year old hardware may no longer work on EVE, (I too have a old P3 933 that still runs great for my Classic gaming needs to this day), but the truth of the matter is a simple upgrade of a CPU/MB/Ram used, may cost you $0-50 if you do a little searching. For a longer bump, picking up a simple Duel Core, 2G of ram (minimum), and a reasonable motherboard, will last you a good long while.
Drac Mic	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:41:00 - [282] Originally by: IM0001 The fact that EVE has supported such old hardware this long is amazing in itself. But to continue to push the envelope and keep looking fresh compared to newer games that may try to take people away from EVE based on looks alone, CCP needs to up the requirements and stop using old code when there is newer code that can improve performance while also improving visuals, lag, etc. If CCP kept every bit of support for all the ancient hardware that was used back when EVE first came out, the game would not only be much larger than it currently is, it would probably also take forever to get patches/updates/new content, and the overall experience for everyone would be much, much worse. It is a sad truth that your old 6-10 year old hardware may no longer work on EVE, (I too have a old P3 933 that still runs great for my Classic gaming needs to this day), but the truth of the matter is a simple upgrade of a CPU/MB/Ram used, may cost you $0-50 if you do a little searching. For a longer bump, picking up a simple Duel Core, 2G of ram (minimum), and a reasonable motherboard, will last you a good long while.
Drac Mic	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:45:00 - [283] All of the above it is true! Also true is: most of the people think P3 while most of the .3% are AMD`s! I have invested in the top of the AGP video cards to keep my Barton running! And I would have not have any issues if the information on the change was delivered with a decent leadtime!
WolfdeEarth	Posted - 2011.01.26 23:18:00 - [284] My Pc is AMD Athlon XP 2000+...my friends,neighbours have even older machines... Eastern Europe players,Russian players and East players CANNOT buy PCs every 3-5 years. If CCP want to spread EVE for more new world players, mentioned above should be considered! THX
MeatSlab	Posted - 2011.01.27 02:20:00 - [285] Edited by: MeatSlab on 27/01/2011 02:25:03 CCP seems to be standing by the 'we had no idea', or the, 'If we only knew about this sooner'. What I cant figure out is how in the world they could not know. I dont know much about programing, but wouldnt you have to know what instruction set to use in advance. If you change from the SSE instruction set to SSE2 wouldnt you know in advance that this would affect a SSE running cpu? Just wondering sounds like a big DURR to me o0
cratais	Posted - 2011.01.28 21:06:00 - [286] ok they say we have two options we can either be refunded for the time we lose or we can have that time added to our account when we upgrade and come back but there isnt an option to do either of those in the account management section are we suppose to file a petition cause ive already asked for my account to be frozen but im still loseing subscription days
DemonGhost	Posted - 2011.01.30 03:28:00 - [287] Well I have cancelled my subscriptions until I can upgrade, which is going to take a while. No interest I'm putting in a petition as that will make lo difference I have more than one level 1 characters and had to cancel them both.
Miss Misses	Posted - 2011.02.15 12:02:00 - [288] old pentium 3 systems make great tables :)


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