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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: PTang on 17/01/2011 19:57:17
Edited by: PTang on 17/01/2011 19:56:27
 Originally by: Caldari Citizen2323256
It's new features you dinosaurs. Stop being such dinosaurs!
I am all for new features! yay new features!
But it's a new feature that can not be updated ebcause we are not allowed to just redo our characters, so there is 0 chance for a content patch.
what they release, is what we get.
end of story, say goodbye to all the old tattoos, art, piercings, hats, costumes, and eve related backgrounds.
I WANT the character ceator, I want it back, so BAD. but not if it's empty, It's a system that can't be easily adjusted. They have one shot at this. Why should I have to redo my character once tattoos are out in 6 months? :(
Originally by: Pyrosomniac
They're just saving the cooler clothes and tattoos for when we can walk around and browse clothes shops at will... IN SPACE!!!
Tattoos? Go to a tattoo parlor... IN SPACE!!!
I see a new isk-sink incoming...
you hit the heart of the issue. No one at ccp has said anything of the sort.
Any thing about incanra is apparently top secret.
an expansion coming out in SIX MONTHS, is under NDA.
so please stop assuming things, you're point isn't based off of anything anyone at ccp has ever said.
if ccp just confirmed a few things, there would be no reason for this thread!
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
Come on, I don't want to make my character with the knowledge in mind that you're going to "make it better" later. Then I'll have to make my character over. Why would I make my character more than once?
This does hit the nail on the head.
And one wouldn't put it past them to update the character creator without allowing people to update their image unless they pay.
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Stray Bullets
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:05:00 -
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Well, I'll build my char as I did every single one before it .... hit random until an ugly enough bastard comes up! 
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:27:00 -
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CCP releasing unfinished and buggy content? This is indeed shocking news. I do thank you for bringing this very unknown and startling development to light. ::sarcasm::
Also Excellence was last years motto. We need to wait for them to release their 2011 slogan, however for how much crap they've gotten about excellence I doubt they will.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:46:00 -
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For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What? 
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pohbis
I miss all the "fluff" backgrounds.
Where are my InterBus, pirate faction, CONCORD etc. backgrounds?
And how can I be the CEO of a ruthless Caldari coorporation without my current background?
Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!
Microtransactions.
We get crud and are allowed to buy options later.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What?
then why will they still currently make you pay 15$ if you want to right now? why not get rid of it. why roll out a whole new tech platform for delivering portraits in game and on forums to just throw it away in a month.
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Moolti
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Moolti on 17/01/2011 21:08:30
Originally by: Teranul
For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What?
For the record there is Zero evidence CCP has a way to preserve a character without having to recreate form scratch. In fact this functionality has been asked for many times since the new creator hit the test server.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Freyya on 17/01/2011 21:16:18
No it's not ready, but as has been said before, you really think tattoo's and stuff like that arn't already on the shelf? It's just a texture map added. Nothing more, nothing less. Well perhaps a bit more but you get my point.
Point is also however; People need something to do when incarna hits. Why would anyone go to a Tattoo parlor? Or maybe a hair dresser? Or perhaps a high fashion boutique or even plastic surgeon when they have already adjusted their avatar to their liking at release of the character building?
CCP needs a reason to implement MT's, saving all the extra fluff for plex vs. fluff on your face and body is the only thing that makes sense. I do wish very hard that the release CC will have adjustable skull/eye/mouth/ears in a bigger detail than it has now but that's like hoping hell freezes over while it's summer in december, and easter + the 4th of july fall on the same day.
Originally by: Moolti
Edited by: Moolti on 17/01/2011 21:08:30
Originally by: Teranul
For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What?
For the record there is Zero evidence CCP has a way to preserve a character without having to recreate form scratch. In fact this functionality has been asked for many times since the new creator hit the test server.
Now the above is something I can understand CCP will have a hard time doing. The old character creator works completely different as to the new one I can imagine pretty darn well. Translating jaw height or width from abc to 29981sjkd0s83kjd93h30s might just be 2 bridges too far in regards to available processing power and server time allocated. You really think it's easy to go (for example) from directx7 to directx11?? It's an almost completely different language sort of speak...Saving from DX11 to import back to DX11 later is something ALOT easier i'd imagine, don't you?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:15:00 -
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Is it OK to not give a tinker's cuss about the character creator?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pookie McPook on 17/01/2011 21:23:24
Broadly in agreement with the OP. The new character creator is way too heavy on resources and will result in a veritable ragefest on the forums tomorrow from people who can't model their character at all. Others will complain that there is not sufficient differentiation between the races, others again that certain racial signatures such as hoods, tatoos, cyborg bits and bobs etc etc aren't available, and still others that the clothing options are pitiable.
These have been constant gripes on the Test server forum for months from a player base approximately 0.6% that of the live server. I can't begin to imagine the furore that is going to occur tomorrow, and more still when the great majority of uninformed players find out that their choices will form the basis for their avatar when Incarna is finally released.
Unless CCP has an entire creation module up their sleeve which hasn't seen the light of day on SiSi I fear that they are about to alienate a large proportion of their players tomorrow.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: PTang on 17/01/2011 21:31:32
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others again that certain racial signatures such as hoods, tatoos, cyborg bits and bobs etc etc aren't available
just to be clear this is my main issue. I think the races look as different as races look different in real life.
It's just adding random stuff is the EASIEST thing to do in the world. I'm an animator/modeler, I'm not just talking like someone that thinks he knows what he is talking about.
it's purely art, even simple tattoos for now would be an improvement. (I know they want the super APB tattoo engine, they said that 3 years ago at fanfest)
but there could be at least 4 tattoos you couldn't move around the face.
and some other little things that would take little time to finish! 10 artist workign for 4 more weeks could finish a lot of little things. (gas masks, visors)
there are just some very big thigns that define some races missing.
just LIKE HOW THEY REMOVED PLEASURE HUBS4 years ago! and they said they would start with a small number of stations and just make some more later. but that production would go faster on new station environments.
WHERE IS THE PLEASURE HUB CCP!
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Moolti
Edited by: Moolti on 17/01/2011 21:08:30
Originally by: Teranul
For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What?
For the record there is Zero evidence CCP has a way to preserve a character without having to recreate form scratch. In fact this functionality has been asked for many times since the new creator hit the test server.
LOL FAIL.
Seriously, use your damn brain. I shouldn't have to do the thinking for you.
Connect the dots.
You're going to be walking in stations with these avatars. Somehow, the game has to know exactly how you look every time you log into the station with your avatar. Therefore, with this BLINDINGLY SIMPLE LOGIC, we can only conclude that they save the information somewhere server-side.
Again, because it apparently MUST be restated
Character is used in walking in stations -> character data must be saved in order for the character to be used in stations -> character data is stored server-side -> that same character data can be drawn from for editing the character later.
Very simple. I didn't even have to use anything other than arrows. How 'bout that? 
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Terazul
Originally by: Moolti
Edited by: Moolti on 17/01/2011 21:08:30
Originally by: Teranul
For the record, there is zero evidence to suggest that you would have to remake your character entirely from scratch when they do add the ability to edit your avatar down the line for new features (which I do not believe the conspiracy theorists on when they say it will be for real money... you chumps). That data is obviously stored somewhere, and it will obviously be called back up in its exact form when you go into the editor.
To assume they can't do something as stupidly basic as saving your damn character model when they HAVE to recall that data somehow is... um... stupid.
Seriously. What?
For the record there is Zero evidence CCP has a way to preserve a character without having to recreate form scratch. In fact this functionality has been asked for many times since the new creator hit the test server.
LOL FAIL.
Seriously, use your damn brain. I shouldn't have to do the thinking for you.
Connect the dots.
You're going to be walking in stations with these avatars. Somehow, the game has to know exactly how you look every time you log into the station with your avatar. Therefore, with this BLINDINGLY SIMPLE LOGIC, we can only conclude that they save the information somewhere server-side.
Again, because it apparently MUST be restated
Character is used in walking in stations -> character data must be saved in order for the character to be used in stations -> character data is stored server-side -> that same character data can be drawn from for editing the character later.
Very simple. I didn't even have to use anything other than arrows. How 'bout that?
And the trolling begins!
also: 2/10 for having to resort to petty insults. True trolls can get reactions without being complete *******s.
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
And the trolling begins!
also: 2/10 for having to resort to petty insults. True trolls can get reactions without being complete *******s.
If correcting peoples' obvious inability to use simple logic is now trolling, the human race is clearly doomed.
Not that that was ever in doubt.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pookie McPook
Edited by: Pookie McPook on 17/01/2011 21:23:24
Broadly in agreement with the OP. The new character creator is way too heavy on resources and will result in a veritable ragefest on the forums tomorrow from people who can't model their character at all. Others will complain that there is not sufficient differentiation between the races, others again that certain racial signatures such as hoods, tatoos, cyborg bits and bobs etc etc aren't available, and still others that the clothing options are pitiable.
Unless CCP has an entire creation module up their sleeve which hasn't seen the light of day on SiSi I fear that they are about to alienate a large proportion of their players tomorrow.
According to one of the ISD folk in the help channel, supposedly there will be a grace period before we are required to redo our characters. At the very least, hopefully they'll make that period last until Incarna is released, since at the moment there is absolutely no point in the new avatars beyond giving five seconds of "shiny" for those with sufficiently powerful computers to run the game at high settings. Requiring us to make new characters immediately on patch day would be like giving the finger to anyone without the means to go out and upgrade their computers, or buy new ones for those of us who are restricted to using laptops.
For example, this computer runs EVE just fine on minimum settings. I'm satisfied with the way EVE runs on this computer. Eventually I'll pick up something that can run EVE with high shaders, but until then, this machine is perfectly fine for shooting rats and other players. However, the new character creator is functionally unusable on this machine, since it was never designed to be run with anything except high settings. On low settings, the character generator looks like something that belongs on the PSX. It would be akin to comparing a rusted bicycle with the F22. You're not even comparing the same products. So I'd be screwing around with a fairly hideous character model, which would in either case look nothing like the final rendering.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: PTang
Come on, I don't want to make my character with the knowledge in mind that you're going to "make it better" later. Then I'll have to make my character over. Why would I make my character more than once?
This does hit the nail on the head.
And one wouldn't put it past them to update the character creator without allowing people to update their image unless they pay.
I funny support this thread!
* A lot of options are gone, not only visors, masks, tattoos but also a few very nice hairstyles and colours. As it is now, we'll see every character walk around with one of the 3 or 4 viable hairstyles;
* No height diffrences?
* Unasked racial changes. Norticably Vherokior look EXTREMELY asian now, and we have no option to chenge eyes or bloodline.
How can CCP call this excellence?
I wouldn¦t mind if they¦d postpone the launch and release it with the next expansion, but with full options. I¦d rather have them release no editor than one that puts me back several steps, options-wise.
Look at the test server feedback, so many comments and so little feedback from the devs.
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Xercodo
Amarr
INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Katsuko
For example, this computer runs EVE just fine on minimum settings. I'm satisfied with the way EVE runs on this computer. Eventually I'll pick up something that can run EVE with high shaders, but until then, this machine is perfectly fine for shooting rats and other players. However, the new character creator is functionally unusable on this machine, since it was never designed to be run with anything except high settings. On low settings, the character generator looks like something that belongs on the PSX. It would be akin to comparing a rusted bicycle with the F22. You're not even comparing the same products. So I'd be screwing around with a fairly hideous character model, which would in either case look nothing like the final rendering.
I can't quite tell here if you already know or not, but your final character will be rendered sever side with all maxed settings. If what your saying is that you don't like the fact that the character your messing with has no where near the resolution of the final, well then suck it up, be happy that they are even doing the server-side render thing at all.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:53:00 -
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The final version is rendered server-side, but the model you're working with in the character generator is rendered locally. Unless the character generator provides a 'preview' render from the server after every modification, you won't have a good idea what the character you're working on will look like until the final render. The problem is with the character generator, not with the final render.
Don't get me wrong. The new character models are gorgeous, if perhaps a bit lacking in the clothing and accessory department, unless more are added with the final patch tomorrow. But you need good hardware to take advantage of the new character generator. The longer CCP waits before requiring that we remake character portraits, the fewer players there'll be who are stuck with outdated hardware. Am not about to threaten to quit or somesuch over the damn thing.
As far as being grateful, I'm paying CCP just under $15 a month for this game. I suppose we could be dealing with Gravity Corp, which had a habit of routinely releasing alpha- and beta-stage content and taking months to fix it while charging a monthly fee for the privilege, but getting good content is hardly anything to be 'grateful' for. It's like being grateful that the milk at the local supermarket hasn't gone sour. In this case they seem to have a fairly nice content update.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:57:00 -
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Gotta agree, the character creator just isn't ready.
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Borealis Nebulae
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Borealis Nebulae on 17/01/2011 23:02:58
nm...
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Gitzela
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:07:00 -
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CCP stated they want to sell some items for cash. This might actually be it.
You want new tattoo.. No problem. Your clothes seems boring ... buy new one... New hairstyle ... there you go.
The only features that will probably be locked are "core appearance". Ant there I am missing probably only height modifier.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
The old character creator just has more stuff.
Impressive. I knew people would eventually start saying that the old character creator was better, but this is way sooner than I expected. |
Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Swidgen
Originally by: PTang
The old character creator just has more stuff.
Impressive. I knew people would eventually start saying that the old character creator was better, but this is way sooner than I expected.
He is not saying that it is 'better' only that it has more stuff. Cool face creation mechanics won't mean much if everyone is walking around in the same few sets of clothes and hairstyles.
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Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:44:00 -
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I to was surprised at the lack of options with the Character Creator on the test server. I was left wanting to do more to my character to make him unique. Then I realized how this can fit into CCPs goal of microtransactions and/or added player created content later. I believe a little bit of patience is a benefit here.
For example, some people may like to design their own clothing in game to sell to other people. Your not going to be all that interested in getting new clothing if you already have your character looking exactly how you want them to look after the initial creation are you? If having players design clothing simply isn't doable code wise, clothing then falls into the possibility of microtransactions. CCP could setup microtransactions for a new coat their art department created for instance.
Tatoos, obviously, is another avenue for either player created content or microtransaction content.
By initially limiting what comes out on this iteration of the character creator, it leaves open any number of possibilities for future content. It also creates a desire in the player to want their character to be unique in game. From a business perspective, this can be a very good thing for revenue of microtransactions are the goal.
Personally, if microtransactions become a reality, I want a pink rupture with a fuzzy carebear on both sides that can be destroyed when I lose it in pvp. 
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Terazul
Character is used in walking in stations -> character data must be saved in order for the character to be used in stations -> character data is stored server-side -> that same character data can be drawn from for editing the character later.
Very simple. I didn't even have to use anything other than arrows. How 'bout that?
then why can't they do it yet?
and no is talking about walking in stations, were talking about our forums portraits, our in game little picture.
that cost 15 to change, and that is fact. They won't let the whole playerbase do it for free every 3 months as they release new updates.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: PTang on 17/01/2011 23:59:01
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Swidgen
Originally by: PTang
The old character creator just has more stuff.
Impressive. I knew people would eventually start saying that the old character creator was better, but this is way sooner than I expected.
He is not saying that it is 'better' only that it has more stuff. Cool face creation mechanics won't mean much if everyone is walking around in the same few sets of clothes and hairstyles.
exactly, thank you.
new character creator is the best for any mmo ever made. But it's lacking not only content in general, but EVE ONLINE themed content. content that makes minmatar, minmatar, and so on.
the ammar hood was like a random last second add-on.
edit:let me make sure everyone knows, all of the hair, and clothes that are in the new creator are AMAZING. And I'm all for reinventing the looks, but as it stands, they didn't reinvent minmatar only hair/tattoos, they just left it out completely.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.01.18 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
then why can't they do it yet?
and no is talking about walking in stations, were talking about our forums portraits, our in game little picture.
that cost 15 to change, and that is fact. They won't let the whole playerbase do it for free every 3 months as they release new updates.
Oh, ye of little faith...
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
On the topic of more options, we really wanted to have tattoos out in this release but for various reasons we had to postpone them. Work is now underway to get tattoos as well as scars, piercings and more glasses in the game. In the next release we plan to introduce the option to re-customize your character from within the game to take advantage of all the new options. Expect to see more and more options coming in future releases. We have a lot of things we would love to see and we will be using feedback from this and other threads to help us make decisions on what we put in and when.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.01.18 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: PTang on 18/01/2011 00:12:26
um.. update somewhere at some time CCP already addressed my concerns.
where si the quote?
I have no clue, but apparently it's confirmed that they are developing an ingame way to change your character. soo.. huzzah!?!
and no I don't players assumptions as word.
to T above me. It's not little faith, it's being part of the game for 6 years, and seeing what happens to player assumptions about what devs will do.
COSMOS anyone? yeah, that's right I'm still wondering when my cosmos missions will be expanded on. :P
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.18 02:42:00 -
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2 words.
Micro-Transactions.
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