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lushn	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:23:00 - [1] Number of Extractor not let me P3 with new PI This New PI totaly sux. I even start to think unsubscribe all my acounts and quit game. I used to do PI in 15 planets all are one type product line with usually 5 hrs cycle. For example one of my planets with 13 extractor 4 basic 3 adv processor , it was building robotics. NOw If I build one ECU for each product type there is no power for even one extractor after 4 ecu. am I doin something wrog? Wats the point? I spend my hours to calculate, survey and build those production lines now they want me redo all those things again?
Aunty Nora	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:28:00 - [2] no one cares, especially as you make no sense. Cya
Lyman Alpha Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:28:00 - [3] I agree. The people designing PI obviously don't do it. I also am considering quitting EVE.
Chiselhead	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:33:00 - [4] I wholehearly agree that whoever came up with this change for PI is about as stupid as they come. Keep It Simple Stupid is what you should be thinking, with this totally screwed up interface for PI you decided to curse us with yes thats right my PI production will be reduced by 25% thank you very little you moronic idiot.
BongoShaftsbury	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:35:00 - [5] Wow - nobody yet? Ok, I'll do it. Can I have your stuff?
kelcier zain	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:56:00 - [6] Originally by: BongoShaftsbury Wow - nobody yet? Ok, I'll do it. Can I haz your stuffz? fixed for you
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:59:00 - [7] I'm with you one this one, quitting the game too and going to suicide all my ships (filled with my assets) outside Jita to show CCP how much I dislike it!! _ Ore Table \| PI Profits
PsiMin	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:16:00 - [8] Originally by: BongoShaftsbury Wow - nobody yet? Ok, I'll do it. Can I have your stuff? lol dam you beat me to it :D
Agrapena Gallente Polar Bears Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:01:00 - [9] god. quitting eve over PI? This has to be a troll. Tell you what.... go try one of the more exciting things Eve has to offer. Either that or you could troll elsewhere.
lushn	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:24:00 - [10] No its not about only PI. I hate to see the things I have planed or done, destroyed by irrosposible developers. Im Innovator/ Achiever type player in VALS Psychotypes. I like to build / produce things. I have no busines to interact others, or shoting people. I didnt shout any1 since i started to play eve. And this game losing its atractivity for me. My effort, My time, Im plan and build something. now all gone. I used to play another MMORG before , about 2 years. Then it started to become stress source instead of relaxation. It was even worse, game was let others to attack your property even you offline. Then One day I realized Im struggle for nothing. All my effort , time I spend can be gone waste with one update. Finaly one day I Decided to quit. And I deleted my very skilled acounts, so i cannot change my mind and go back. And I saw Eve and started to play Eve. I loved the idea of security. nothing disappears when U r offline. All assets stay same even you back to game year later. I loved it bcuz it so complex, requires planing learning. All PI , reserches , invetion, market tricks. I planed all my future trained all learning skills first, bought BPOs for future investment. with latest patch Im feeling like im drawing on water.

Mahabhava	Posted - 2011.01.19 00:33:00 - [11] I agree. The people designing PI obviously did it just to be paid - without any regard for ppl who are actually enjoy playing and building POSs using that cheap PI fuel. The new system gives only 30% for the same time and not possible to manage. 1 day becomes 3 if someone don't get it. Have to put all POSs down and sell all production mats and structures. Thats all. NO complains - just back to anomalies. Simply less fun in game. Thanks CCP
Vak Keelin	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:35:00 - [12] Originally by: PsiMin Originally by: BongoShaftsbury Wow - nobody yet? Ok, I'll do it. Can I have your stuff? lol dam you beat me to it :D Damn, have to be quick these days
Hroya	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:42:00 - [13] Originally by: lushn Number of Extractor not let me P3 with new PI This New PI totaly sux. I even start to think unsubscribe all my acounts and quit game. I used to do PI in 15 planets all are one type product line with usually 5 hrs cycle. For example one of my planets with 13 extractor 4 basic 3 adv processor , it was building robotics. NOw If I build one ECU for each product type there is no power for even one extractor after 4 ecu. am I doin something wrog? Wats the point? I spend my hours to calculate, survey and build those production lines now they want me redo all those things again? I agree. My robotics plant is a no go atm. I stripped it down to a bare minimum and still cant get it running, there just isnt enough power even with an elite CC. I'll have a look at it in the morning since it's allmost 3am in the morning and i just got home from work. Unsubscribing is not an option though. Just need to figure this out one way or the other.
Twilight Runner	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:53:00 - [14] Agreed , it sux, made by a idiot, no where near what i could do before
Martmos	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:54:00 - [15] Hehe, I'll complain a bit! Really not in my nature but this time, CCP really got me ticked.... It's not as much the change than the total lack of a heads up by CCP. Sure they gonna tackle the "click-fest" problem, but they could advise people that it would be at the expense of something else. That the new PI system implied a total makeover of some PI setups. I had 6 Elite CC's running 5 hour cycles to produce all required non-ice pos fuel for 3-4 towers, 3 of those CC's being on plasmas. With the new PI, no way I can achieve same use from plasmas as extracting 4 ressources at the same time (to produce robotics) demands SO MUCH more powergrid. That CCP wants us to work a little harder for that cheap pos fuel, I don't mind. But they could warn us that they are about to throw a major monkeywrench in some (if not all) of our PI setups. Sure we don't have to delete the whole thing when we want to upgrade to a new CC, but with all this, I have to ditch 3 fully functionnal elite CCs and rethink my whole supply chain. Was expecting a lot of good from that PI overhaul... ends up being a major dissapointment.
Twilight Runner	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Martmos Hehe, I'll complain a bit! Really not in my nature but this time, CCP really got me ticked.... It's not as much the change than the total lack of a heads up by CCP. Sure they gonna tackle the "click-fest" problem, but they could advise people that it would be at the expense of something else. That the new PI system implied a total makeover of some PI setups. I had 6 Elite CC's running 5 hour cycles to produce all required non-ice pos fuel for 3-4 towers, 3 of those CC's being on plasmas. With the new PI, no way I can achieve same use from plasmas as extracting 4 ressources at the same time (to produce robotics) demands SO MUCH more powergrid. That CCP wants us to work a little harder for that cheap pos fuel, I don't mind. But they could warn us that they are about to throw a major monkeywrench in some (if not all) of our PI setups. Sure we don't have to delete the whole thing when we want to upgrade to a new CC, but with all this, I have to ditch 3 fully functionnal elite CCs and rethink my whole supply chain. Was expecting a lot of good from that PI overhaul... ends up being a major dissapointment. CCP reputation intact of screwing things up lol
Sigras	Posted - 2011.01.19 10:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Martmos Hehe, I'll complain a bit! Really not in my nature but this time, CCP really got me ticked.... It's not as much the change than the total lack of a heads up by CCP. Sure they gonna tackle the "click-fest" problem, but they could advise people that it would be at the expense of something else. Yeah i know, totally Its not like they put it up on the test server for months ahead of time or made a dev blog about it or anything yeah no heads up at all Originally by: Martmos Sure we don't have to delete the whole thing when we want to upgrade to a new CC, but with all this, I have to ditch 3 fully functionnal elite CCs and rethink my whole supply chain. Was expecting a lot of good from that PI overhaul... ends up being a major dissapointment. Oh noez not thinking!!!!!!11111 the one thing I cant do . . . oh noez
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:09:00 - [18] Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 19/01/2011 11:14:56 Originally by: BongoShaftsbury Wow - nobody yet? Ok, I'll do it. Can I have your stuff? I contracted it all over to my main PI got me to resub my industrial alt and I was even considering getting back into T2 production, but meh... I'll keep the ISK/úú's in my wallet! Originally by: Sigras Yeah i know, totally Its not like they put it up on the test server for months ahead of time or made a dev blog about it or anything yeah no heads up at all You're a real class act douche bag. Since you actually believe that CCP reponded to teh community, here's the SiSi PI feedback thread that they ignored: Originally by: Argonaught CClicky 7 Pages worth of feedback there before it went live. The Devs didn't answer a single query relating to the cr@pola that everyone has with it now so go suck on that one :) Argo. Cheerio! Rash. PS: my haircut pwns yours.
Bitchslaping Biatch	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:19:00 - [19] PI works fine. In fact it vorks better than before. I never test it in sisi but half hour I started to use I alredy had a pretty good idea on how to extract the same ammount of p0 with 20% less of power requirement. If you dont get this new PI version then please, by all means, I want to haz your stuff.
Diana Kacavenda	Posted - 2011.01.19 11:53:00 - [20] As first, sorry for my bad english, i am German. I agree. PLEASE CCP, Cancel the Changes of the Extractor UI. Now PI is ineffective and no more worth to do it. For some People, maybe the new ECU-System seems to be a good Idea, but not for us, oh no, really not for us Please make it possible, that we can Control our already existing Extractor-System like before the Patch. Maybe you (CCP) can combine the new Mode with the old Mode. So Please, give us 2 Options to do PI: 1. Much Click-Work but Much Efficiency 2. Low Click-Work but Low Efficiency With that Combination, with that 2 Options, you could make both PI-Player-Types Happy. (The ECU-Friends and the ECU-Hater) I will not Redesign my PI-Planet under any circumstances. Its no Choice for me and no Choice for us all. Me and much other Players will Quit with this Game. Please set this Wish on Highest Priority. kind regards Diana

Bitchslaping Biatch	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Diana Kacavenda As first, sorry for my bad english, i am German. I agree. PLEASE CCP, Cancel the Changes of the Extractor UI. Now PI is ineffective and no more worth to do it. For some People, maybe the new ECU-System seems to be a good Idea, but not for us, oh no, really not for us Please make it possible, that we can Control our already existing Extractor-System like before the Patch. Maybe you (CCP) can combine the new Mode with the old Mode. So Please, give us 2 Options to do PI: 1. Much Click-Work but Much Efficiency 2. Low Click-Work but Low Efficiency With that Combination, with that 2 Options, you could make both PI-Player-Types Happy. (The ECU-Friends and the ECU-Hater) I will not Redesign my PI-Planet under any circumstances. Its no Choice for me and no Choice for us all. Me and much other Players will Quit with this Game. Please set this Wish on Highest Priority. kind regards Diana Vell, it seems you vill have to do ALL your vork again, Ja?
Zoe Alarhun Amarr Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:12:00 - [22] I like new Pi....
Nicky's Tomb	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:31:00 - [23] Please, please quit and also quit whining. You choose to try and bundle everything onto the one planet, then you failed. Eve is always about specialization. Why? Lets see... You have two close by systems. Both have 5 planets. Out of those 10, only 8 have stuff you need to extract in abundance. Now, can you explain to me why on earth (or eve) you would waste power grid and CPU for P2 or P3 processors on a planet that has an abundance of R0? It's just stupid. Put the factory on the planet that has sod all worth extracting and focus extractors where they are best kept.... where the R0 is! Don't want to haul once every few days? Tough. More for the rest of us. Cya!
Diana Kacavenda	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:34:00 - [24] Originally by: *****slaping BiatchVell, it seems you vill have to do ALL your vork again, Ja?[/quote Nein (No), i will never Change it, it was perfect before the Patch. I Quit EvE before i do all my work again.
Kestrix	Posted - 2011.01.19 12:44:00 - [25] Whats wrong with the new PI? it works much better than before. Took me a short while to figure it out. If you can't then you must be missing a few brain cells.
Chocra	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:00:00 - [26] I might well be missing the point, but.... old PI : I have 2 hi-sec planets both producing Ukomi superconducters from local resources - all I have to do is cycle the extractors and launch the finished goods. new PI : I can only extract 1 resource at a time!!!!!!!!!! = massively more complicated to manage Thanks CCP, you've screwed it big time. Oh, and how about an official bloody guide to the new PI for idiots like me showing how to extract 4 resources simultaneously, just like I could under the old system.
Nicky's Tomb	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Chocra old PI : I have 2 hi-sec planets both producing Ukomi superconducters from local resources - all I have to do is cycle the extractors and launch the finished goods. So how many a day does that produce? 3 units? Train higher, use more planets. Plasma planets are for sissies and girls. Extracting in Hi-Sec = Fail. Much more money in production. I don't really bother doing the quantitative analysis of my PI except that it takes me very little time, 10 minutes hauling every few days, I have a modest buffer of everything and I can pick up 200 units of robotics each day = 11-13 mil.
Mantis Kallintte	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:31:00 - [28] What's the difference? This: -I have never built an extractor in high sec. never. I remember scanning it once, laughing, then going back to low / null -I have 26 planets across alts. I have rebuilt my structure 3 times due to relocations. -I primarily use my PI for POS fuel. I was able to Fuel around 10-12 large POS, depending if I could get a Plasma planet nearby (Yes = 12, no = 10) Things are completely different now... which isn't necessarily bad on the surface, but is when you dive into the details. The total structures I could place on my elite CCs (Yes, I trained to 5) was 22-24 depending on size of planet and distance of materials. I built T2 chains and would easily get 20 units / planet / hour. Some planets getting this was tricky and required rebuilding a few times, but I could do it. (Most was easy, with Power left over). Now... I have no planets that can give 20 units / hour. I have tried various time combinations, multiple extractor units, calculated if I toggled with a single extractor between extractions periods (1 click for item A, 2nd click for item B.. repeat) This is assuming I pull 100% of what is listed... which isn't the case. (More like 70%) The brief summary: Extractors produce less. The 20-30% cut in production is huge. I have the skills to do multiple planets, but with the production cut I won't be able to self sustain my corp with POS fuel. Now I have the increased joy of logistics for fuel (and purchasing thereof), and unless more people do PI (which is a possibility now that there is less clicky)... higher prices. Unless I train to lvl5 on more alts (ugh) this just won't happen. The real pain is... if I have to move to solo production P1 planet structure... I won't have access to enough planets to produce my chains, since I will need to create more production planets.
Chocra	Posted - 2011.01.19 13:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Nicky's Tomb Originally by: Chocra old PI : I have 2 hi-sec planets both producing Ukomi superconducters from local resources - all I have to do is cycle the extractors and launch the finished goods. So how many a day does that produce? 3 units? Train higher, use more planets. Plasma planets are for sissies and girls. Extracting in Hi-Sec = Fail. Much more money in production. I don't really bother doing the quantitative analysis of my PI except that it takes me very little time, 10 minutes hauling every few days, I have a modest buffer of everything and I can pick up 200 units of robotics each day = 11-13 mil. How many? Completely irrelevant to you and nothing to do with my post. Train higher, use more planets. What, to achieve what I was before it got fecked? Plasma planets are for sissies.... I don't use Plasma planets, jerk. Extracting in hi-sec = fail Certainly seems to now, but didn't before, so your point is actually what?
Bitchslaping Biatch	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Mantis Kallintte What's the difference? This: -I have never built an extractor in high sec. never. I remember scanning it once, laughing, then going back to low / null -I have 26 planets across alts. I have rebuilt my structure 3 times due to relocations. -I primarily use my PI for POS fuel. I was able to Fuel around 10-12 large POS, depending if I could get a Plasma planet nearby (Yes = 12, no = 10) Things are completely different now... which isn't necessarily bad on the surface, but is when you dive into the details. The total structures I could place on my elite CCs (Yes, I trained to 5) was 22-24 depending on size of planet and distance of materials. I built T2 chains and would easily get 20 units / planet / hour. Some planets getting this was tricky and required rebuilding a few times, but I could do it. (Most was easy, with Power left over). Now... I have no planets that can give 20 units / hour. I have tried various time combinations, multiple extractor units, calculated if I toggled with a single extractor between extractions periods (1 click for item A, 2nd click for item B.. repeat) This is assuming I pull 100% of what is listed... which isn't the case. (More like 70%) The brief summary: Extractors produce less. The 20-30% cut in production is huge. I have the skills to do multiple planets, but with the production cut I won't be able to self sustain my corp with POS fuel. Now I have the increased joy of logistics for fuel (and purchasing thereof), and unless more people do PI (which is a possibility now that there is less clicky)... higher prices. Unless I train to lvl5 on more alts (ugh) this just won't happen. The real pain is... if I have to move to solo production P1 planet structure... I won't have access to enough planets to produce my chains, since I will need to create more production planets. If you like i can sell you some fuel. Now i produce even more than before, you know



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