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Nefrums
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:52:00 -
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I don't understand why people complain about the new PI. It is exactly the same as the old one, nothing have changed at all.
(Unless you use extractors = fail  )
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Chelone
Junkyard Gunners
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Nefrums
I don't understand why people complain about the new PI. It is exactly the same as the old one, nothing have changed at all.
(Unless you use extractors = fail )
Very funny. In reality, over 2/3 of PI must be extraction, whether you're doing it yourself or pushing it all off onto someone else. When your raw materials cost goes up because extraction sucks more than before, oops I guess it's changed for you too, you genius you.
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Nefrums
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Originally by: Nefrums
I don't understand why people complain about the new PI. It is exactly the same as the old one, nothing have changed at all.
(Unless you use extractors = fail )
Very funny. In reality, over 2/3 of PI must be extraction, whether you're doing it yourself or pushing it all off onto someone else. When your raw materials cost goes up because extraction sucks more than before, oops I guess it's changed for you too, you genius you.
Thank you! not many people realize that I am a genius!
On a more serious note the reason that i didn't do extracting was that i was to lazy to do all the click click required. And it was allot easier jut to haul every few days.
I am not convinced that the new system will lead to increased prices as the new system will require allot less clicking, but more hauling. I think that this might get more people doing PI, as the clicking scared people away.
I believe that the new system will lead to more T1 materials on the market, as it is harder to do T2 and T3 production on single planets.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.01.20 08:57:00 -
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I wonder, if all P2 stuff on the market is user made and there is no npc stuff...
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Natan Tragovian
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nefrums
Originally by: Chelone
Originally by: Nefrums
I don't understand why people complain about the new PI. It is exactly the same as the old one, nothing have changed at all.
(Unless you use extractors = fail )
Very funny. In reality, over 2/3 of PI must be extraction, whether you're doing it yourself or pushing it all off onto someone else. When your raw materials cost goes up because extraction sucks more than before, oops I guess it's changed for you too, you genius you.
Thank you! not many people realize that I am a genius!
On a more serious note the reason that i didn't do extracting was that i was to lazy to do all the click click required. And it was allot easier jut to haul every few days.
I am not convinced that the new system will lead to increased prices as the new system will require allot less clicking, but more hauling. I think that this might get more people doing PI, as the clicking scared people away.
I believe that the new system will lead to more T1 materials on the market, as it is harder to do T2 and T3 production on single planets.
Because most people dont have P0->P1, and P1->P3 planets or anything....
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Arajus
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:55:00 -
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I like the new system, everything works as before but with out click-festival. Nice. Of course I was not producing P3 totally on one planet!
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PI Smith
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: lushn
NOw If I build one ECU for each product type there is no power for even one extractor after 4 ecu. am I doin something wrog?
Wats the point? I spend my hours to calculate, survey and build those production lines now they want me redo all those things again?
lol .. 4 ECUs - the people who designed PI, hoped that the player has a particular degree of intellect - the outcome of the new system are new techniques
how about switching 2 types of raw-material with 2 ecu or something in that direction - PI isn't that simple it has been before, but everyone who's crying about that fact should feel free to quit
..I just can agree that it's bad for the people who produced p3 with one planet eg. robotics on plasma - less productive, but still possible
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Aynen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:54:00 -
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Personally I think prices for p1 items will explode a bit, as a reaction to the fact that a lot of people will be seeing somewhat diminished production on their extraction operations. They will compensate by upping the price of their goods. I believe I'm allready seeing this to a small extend on the market. Several P1 goods have allready gone up quite sharply. Problem I have with this is that the PI people further down the line of production might therefor calculate their PI efforts to be less economically sound than other things they could be doing in the game and thus demand will decrease while prices go up. This would be a really bad thing.
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Iyotaka
Iyotaka Union
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:15:00 -
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Unfortunately, HTML 500 error - so short job.
New PI is much better - BUT - I know I must come up with a new model to get a proper balance between POWER/CPU consumption of 10 heads and P1 processors.
Note: each head can be configured to extract any one of the 5 planet materials. It is not one or nothing.
CCP: much better, but POWER/CPU balancing is needed, or option to turn off heads, and e.g. lower POWER/CPU consumed by tab. I feel I am running out of power too fast for the number of processors I had before.
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Bitchslaping Biatch
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:21:00 -
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I already stoped doing PI and I advice to every one complaining, stop doing so to. When the stock depletes we may have an answer.
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Kharylien
Gallente
Masked Rider Project
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aynen
demand will decrease while prices go up. This would be a really bad thing.
Economically speaking, though, it would be quite fascinating.
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tekant
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Posted - 2011.01.21 04:27:00 -
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This realy Funny , Im reading POst and realy hard to understand some of you people logic
Originally by: Kharylien
Also, consider therapy; your inability to adapt to change appears to be somewhat problematic.
Static complexity isn't complexity at all. Without change there would only be stagnation.[/quote
Ohh yeah , adapt, fit urself, adjust
Wait a minute ! Who is customer here? who is paying?
This is story like , "you are going to restaurant where u are regular. ANd you always demanding wider chair, one day you visit , YOu found out chairs are changed and new ones even smaller, thingter. When you complain you got scolded by restaurant owner. and told you have to adapt"
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Iyotaka
Iyotaka Union
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Iyotaka
Unfortunately,
Note: each head can be configured to extract any one of the 5 planet materials. It is not one or nothing.
I was wrong on this. It is max 10 heads of one resource type. Of course you know that already, but I hate mistakes, especially when I make one
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: lushn
I spend my hours to calculate, survey and build those production lines now they want me redo all those things again?
Yup, pretty much. Must be harsh actually having to make some effort. Thanks for coming out.
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Thorleifer
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Posted - 2011.01.21 12:24:00 -
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So wait, the devs made it not so easy for you to amass the resources, and they made it so you actually had to work to get the 3 and 4th level stuff, and you are crying?
I just set up 3 command centers, 2 grab resources and the 3rd combines them for my 2nd level stuff. You guys sound more and more like WOW 10 year olds, I want easy mode, give me epic loots for doing nothing.
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Mael Sechnaill
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Posted - 2011.01.21 12:59:00 -
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I'll post my quiet question here (as this topic seems to be hot as flames of fire)
I did aquire a few Advanced Command Centers for a future colony. What will happen to them ? Will I be reimbursed ?
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Umbriele
Gallente
Etoilles Mortant Ltd.
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: *****slaping Biatch
I already stoped doing PI and I advice to every one complaining, stop doing so to. When the stock depletes we may have an answer.
Then new people who never bothered about PI will start doing it with good incomes and all the people crying here will be ****ed 2 times LOL
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Thumiel Zaul
Black Hawk Security
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Thumiel Zaul on 21/01/2011 13:03:49
Originally by: *****slaping Biatch
I already stoped doing PI and I advice to every one complaining, stop doing so to. When the stock depletes we may have an answer.
Lol, no it wont because people like me will step in to fill the deman and make the money that you are not....
EDIT: Wow, freaky posting there.....
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Zaerui
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zaerui on 21/01/2011 13:04:55
Originally by: Thorleifer
So wait, the devs made it not so easy for you to amass the resources, and they made it so you actually had to work to get the 3 and 4th level stuff, and you are crying?
I just set up 3 command centers, 2 grab resources and the 3rd combines them for my 2nd level stuff. You guys sound more and more like WOW 10 year olds, I want easy mode, give me epic loots for doing nothing.
I see your point, but you are forgetting one thing - player experience. I pay my monthly fee to play a game; not to have a second job. I like EVE, even if I don't like all aspects of it. Missioning: too little content makes it boring fast. Ratting: blowing the same things up over and over would make my head explode. PVPing: I've been on several PVP roams and seriously.. I'd rather have a root canal it was SO BORING. So, I became an Industrialist; at least when I make something - there it is. And I have a lot of variety in what I can make with the better stuff taking more time and effort. If the end result of all this work would be I can make really cool things (like an Outpost), then I'll expend the effort. Before PI, making an Outpost was a major undertaking - far more effort than I was willing to expend. When PI came out, it was still a major undertaking, but achievable. Now that PI is broken, it's once again too much effort. Normally, not a problem; just don't do PI. However, we need PI to fuel towers, so I can't just stop doing PI unless I want to break down the towers. Yes, I could do that, but that would remove half my industrial base to work from - and if I do that, well I might as well go back to hisec. And if I do *that*, well, I've been hearing good things about STO lately...
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Kasugano
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:06:00 -
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Personaly, I love the new PI.
If hotspots shift on me, I just grab something else, sell it, and use that money to buy the resource I want.
The clicking from before drove me mad. Brainless tedium. Not that its challenging now, but at least its interactive. Can't build my rocket fuel on one planet anymore, but didn't take long to find a work around.
I wasn't going to last much longer in the old system, but i'm going go all out with PI now that its been changed. Good stuff, thanks CCP!
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Mael Sechnaill
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:20:00 -
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Once again. Higher level command centers disappear with todays dt, after it we will get them by upgrading basic ones. What happens to my ACC stocpile ? (what consists of 1-2 pieces of each, still, 3-4 mill a piece)
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: tekant
This realy Funny , Im reading POst and realy hard to understand some of you people logic
Originally by: Kharylien
Also, consider therapy; your inability to adapt to change appears to be somewhat problematic.
Static complexity isn't complexity at all. Without change there would only be stagnation.[/quote
Ohh yeah , adapt, fit urself, adjust
Wait a minute ! Who is customer here? who is paying?
This is story like , "you are going to restaurant where u are regular. ANd you always demanding wider chair, one day you visit , YOu found out chairs are changed and new ones even smaller, thingter. When you complain you got scolded by restaurant owner. and told you have to adapt"
What a **** analagy, this is a game man, you dont have to be here.
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Celgar Thurn
Minmatar
Department 10
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:22:00 -
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I reset-up four of my planets a few weeks ago with a view to fueling my own POS once it is built. It was all looking fine & dandy. I haven't started using the new system but it doesn't look good from all the previous comments. I think it may be possible that CCP have ****** the economy of their own game up all by themselves.The phrase 'if it isn't broken don't fix it' comes to mind. People thought 60,000 isk was a lot for one unit of Robotics. Wait til they see what this BS does to the game economy. 
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Allataria
Caldari
EdgeGamers
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:30:00 -
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Far too much powergrid is now needed to run so little extractors its almost not worth going over. Not to mention it seems the links cant handle having more than 1 extractor head to transfer resources from one ECU to a holding silo for process.
All in all I think this update has caused more problems than it solved. I dont see a decrease in the amount of clicks needed if anything it increased the amount of clicks because now I have to rotate between 3 ECU's on Lava and Plasma planets because I cant have more than 1 ECU running with more than 2 Heads at any given time. The amount of production has plummeted the micro managing has greatly increased with having to mine and store over and over instead of actually setting up a chain of production where I can just set it to mine everything I need for the day and let it run naturally.
I ask you CCP how is this supposed to reduce clicks and improve efficiency for PI people? All you have done is increased the amount of clicks and made more micro management. There is no production links or chains now its all about having to move from one ECU to another each day instead of being bale to mine multiple types of PI materials from 1 planet for the entire day.
At this point PI is broken to me. The old way was far superior and this new ECU and extractor heads idea was a major step backwards...
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Herzbrecher
And the colors make no sense. And that wacky number next to each extractor head in the ECU window makes no sense. And longer extraction times yielding greater R0 per hour than shorter extraction times makes no sense. And this is coming from a math teacher.
Not if the longer cycle allows the extractor to dig deeper to an otherwise unreachable deposit.
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Sandrestal
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Allataria
Far too much powergrid is now needed to run so little extractors its almost not worth going over. Not to mention it seems the links cant handle having more than 1 extractor head to transfer resources from one ECU to a holding silo for process.
Not sure what you are talking about as I have 2 ECU's running 2 different materials into a spaceport all off 1 CC. Perhaps the fields you are on require you to use more heads to get what you need?
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr
Ore Extraction Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:24:00 -
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I.... I just don't get it.
You guys are whining that everyone gets less income from PI because you get less goods...
but if everyone is getting less goods, the prices go up, as there is less supply but the same demand.
Wait for the prices to stabilize and by then you'll realize you're making the same amount of isk you did before.
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Grahcm Ffoeg
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:28:00 -
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The new version of PI is trying to fix what problem? I can't seem to even figure out ahead of time how to calculate if my setup will have enough transport capability. No doubt I just need to play with the system, but again, why did we change? Was it broken before? For now I just logged off, and quit producing any PI. So prices should go up for the rest of you. I will try later.
Here is a serious question for the CCP folks. Why change a working system, and **** off your users? What result were you hoping to achieve?
cheers
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Revolution Rising
R I S E Industries
Last-Light
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:51:00 -
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Wait, what's PI ?
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lushn
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath
I.... I just don't get it.
You guys are whining that everyone gets less income from PI because you get less goods...
but if everyone is getting less goods, the prices go up, as there is less supply but the same demand.
Wait for the prices to stabilize and by then you'll realize you're making the same amount of isk you did before.
Not true everytime. If demand on rise but supply couldnt catch up then demand drop again. People shut down their POS , decrease PI product related usage, etc.
Also bigest problme here which people complain, MOst people wont able to produce their own POS fuel. It willl effect them especially if they are the place they cant balance their consume with market ( llike wormhole) |
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