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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.02.20 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rastigan on 20/02/2011 00:31:57
After the Incursion 1.1 patch my FPS has gone from very smooth to choppy as hell. Why is this ?
Actually Im pretty sure it happened when they released the patch that excluded older processors, you would think requiring newer instruction sets would = more performance not less.
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Desorem
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Posted - 2011.02.24 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Desorem on 24/02/2011 05:24:40
Bumping topic. Same sh@t here - 40 or so fps before 1.1.0 and around 20 now.
Not cool.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rasz Lin on 24/02/2011 21:45:32
 Originally by: Zilero
8 GB RAM, I5-Core 2.57 GHz, Nvidia NVS3100M
Below recommended requirements, barely above minimal.
DONT play on a laptop.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:26:00 -
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OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!!
Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right?
Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no.
Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously.
So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar.
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Alexei Antonov
Caldari
The Devil's Brigade
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alexei Antonov on 24/02/2011 22:54:02
I've been seeing alot of wierd stuff as well with the latest patches. First with the shortcuts ceasing to work while playing (will register, but only flash for a second and do not function)and a slight hit on performance using an HD4870.
At first I thought, maybe there are some issues with vista just being an old install.(This was pre and also post SP2 updates)
So on a custom built and wiped machine .....
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i7 860
MSI P55 Board
HD4870(Soon to be HD6970. Will update)
(This is still a high end spec machine. Not good when current tech is having issues)
This setup is being used on Dual Monitors
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I installed an untouched copy of Vista 64 ultimate. Updated everything to current specs...and yet...with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted.
FYI Eve is also the only program currently giving me issues with shortcuts/graphical bugs.
CCP touched something and not in a good way....
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.02.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alexei Antonov
with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted.
Just making a point here. Microsoft constantly issues updates to their software without ever once taking into account the possible effects those updates might have on any software currently installed on the machines, the same goes for driver software. But lets blame CCP instead shall we?
Can I really be the only one who see's the obvious?
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Ori Empress
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.02.25 00:06:00 -
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It turns out my crazy lag spikes were caused because my laptop was overheating. I bought a really nice laptop cooler with 3 fans with vented holes for maximum airflow, and it feel like a freezer now. I now get a solid 90-100 FPS on maxed out graphics, if you have a laptop with no cooler I suggest you get one. 
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!!
Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right?
Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no.
Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously.
So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar.
You have obviously not read at all but just decided to be a douche bag and post ****.
I got the problems I'm still experiencing within half a day when I updated the client to Incursion 1.1.0 on January 18th. NOTHING else changed in between.
Now go away kthxbai.
-zil
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Empress
It turns out my crazy lag spikes were caused because my laptop was overheating. I bought a really nice laptop cooler with 3 fans with vented holes for maximum airflow, and it feel like a freezer now. I now get a solid 90-100 FPS on maxed out graphics, if you have a laptop with no cooler I suggest you get one.
My laptop is not overheating, that is not the problem. Something else is going on.
For what its worth the problem seems to gradually become less severe with each client update, so perhaps in a few more updates the problem will go away fully. This also gives credit to the thought that CCP ****ed stuff up somewhere, that they are aware of it, but choose not to acknowledge it and instead are silently fixing things. The last is good, the blatant disregard of customer complaints and closing of bug reports without comments are... rather customer hostile.
I'm still not giving CCP one more euro/usd out of my pocket, ever.
-zil
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bOaStNdMoStN
Gallente
EVE Protection Agency
Immoral Degenerates
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:55:00 -
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Yeah i've been having performance issues since these recent updates too.. And now i can't even get eve to install the newest update.. It was running so flawlessy when i started back up again 2months ago.. I'am not even gonna renew my sub though because it has taken me seriously 20minutes to make it to my character, only to click on a menu for my game to freeze up again.. This happened to me when i first started EvE, but when i came back for Incursion it seemed like it was fix.. Oh well, time for me to unsub again.
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Craponu
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Posted - 2011.02.25 16:46:00 -
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I didn't start having this issue until the recent client update.
I went from running 3 clients to barely able to run 1. Had all the graphics on high and 16xAA.. average fps was 40+ undocked.
Now I get 25-30 fps docked and about 12 undocked.
I removed every trace of eve including misc folders and registry entries and reinstalled. I've updated graphics drivers. Turned my graphics to ****... still not working right.
Specs:
Windows 7 Ultimate
Athlon X2 6000+ @ 3.1ghz
4GB DDR2
2x EVGA GTX260 Core 216 SSC
My other games run perfectly.
I've send a petition to CCP in game.
TO CCP: I'd hate to pull you away from whatever it is you do (not fixing problems?)... but it would be ever so kind of you to reply to this thread.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:35:00 -
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Why is everyone blaming CCP for these problems? Out of the 291 people I know that play eve, having asked all of them if they are having any issues, only 9 of them have suffered from any issues at all. Thats 282 people including myself, all with different brands of PC, some custom built, some running Linux, Win XP, Vista and Win 7 all running eve just fine. The 9 people that are having trouble are running the exact same client as the rest of us, the only difference is their hardware and software set-ups which are pretty much unique to them.
So lets think for a moment, 292 people all running the same program but on different machines. Oh my god it must be the program, even though the other 282 have no issues AT ALL. Yeah, that must be it. 
fake edit: I would also say that 292 people is a fair sample size to use for comparing known issues.
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.02.25 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Why is everyone blaming CCP for these problems? Out of the 291 people I know that play eve, having asked all of them if they are having any issues, only 9 of them have suffered from any issues at all. Thats 282 people including myself, all with different brands of PC, some custom built, some running Linux, Win XP, Vista and Win 7 all running eve just fine. The 9 people that are having trouble are running the exact same client as the rest of us, the only difference is their hardware and software set-ups which are pretty much unique to them.
So lets think for a moment, 292 people all running the same program but on different machines. Oh my god it must be the program, even though the other 282 have no issues AT ALL. Yeah, that must be it.
fake edit: I would also say that 292 people is a fair sample size to use for comparing known issues.
What part of "a single update ****ed the game to hell, from being able to have 3 clients running smoothly to not even one running smoothly" is hard to understand? If you have nothing to contribute besides telling us we are idiots that don't know anything about computers and its our own fault, then **** off. I assure you this is not the case.
Regarding your self proclaimed statistical analysis where you, yourself, alone, are asking 292 people about issues.... I'll leave the thoughts about the validity of that up to the clever reader.
Now, to sum up: There is a problem, its getting slightly better with each subsequent client update, yet I can still only run one client with "adequate performance" (read: sucky compared to running 3 clients before), whereas I can now only dream of running 3 clients, even 2 clients are not even close to being playable - but hey, perhaps after a few more client updates :P
-zil
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Alexei Antonov
Caldari
The Devil's Brigade
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Alexei Antonov
with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted.
Just making a point here. Microsoft constantly issues updates to their software without ever once taking into account the possible effects those updates might have on any software currently installed on the machines, the same goes for driver software. But lets blame CCP instead shall we?
Can I really be the only one who see's the obvious?
I hadn't left out that possibility as I too know microsuck can occasionally dump bad updates(I usually wait for the general consensus on them before DL) and tested Eve with the prior working Vista SP1 and later with SP2.
It looks like CCP did something. Eve is a very complex game and once you start building on that it can become hard not to mess something up by changing even one little thing. Tbh I think CCP has done great bug wise over the past years.
Granted I'm not ruling out windows or hardware entirely just yet. Eve is a suspect right now, not proven guilty :)
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IIPrimaryLotusII
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Posted - 2011.02.26 01:13:00 -
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I have already replied to this topic with my own issue which is basically degraded performance while running 2 accounts in window mode. I know people in game that are running 2 accounts also that have NO ISSUES with their framerate. I'm talking they are running the multiple clients completely full with recorded 110 fps tested with vsync turned off.
There are certain things that can drastically effect performance in windowed mode. One of the biggest hits is anti-aliasing. While this is a new feature in Eve it is understandable that issues will happen with this, but most games that I run AA it has no noticable effect on the framerate of the game especially with how drivers and hardware handles the technology these days.
Most the other features seem to be ok, there is a performance hit but that is expected when turning on features like HDR. hdr is an advanced tech introduced by, I think it was valve with the half life 2 lost coast level?? When it first came out it was quite amazing, and in Eve it's equally amazing, but it takes a major toll on performance in WINDOWED MODE!
Note that most of us with the issues it is not about fullscreen, just windowed mode. It's also understandable the game isn't going to run quite as well due to running in a window compared to full direct x supported fullscreen mode. Another issue can be with SLI or crossfire setups. I hear of problems across all games due to the way SLI and crossfire works, they possibly do not run near as well or in some cases the tech isn't used at all in some games.
It may have been a windows update but I upgraded to W7 to see if it would fix the issue (From Vista). I think overall my framerate in games has increased by at least 10fps, so it definately helped a LOT. However there is still a major performance hit running games in a window.
It's possible windows likes to allocated a good bit of the gpu's memory for the desktop while in a window, affecting performance. EVE is a GPU heavy game, and at least my processor is barely being tasked while running a couple eve accounts. This is either the way the game is intended to work or possibly a bug, but it may just be the nature of the game. Since I upgraded to windows 7 the game is fully playable with shaders, texture, and lod on high but not with any other features turned on.
If CCP can get something out of us and possibly find optimizations or bugs to fix, it would be great. I don't think my issues are as severe as others, but there is a massive difference in performance between windowed and fullscreen, massive I tell ya.
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Lisa Heyes
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Posted - 2011.02.27 01:17:00 -
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I got the same problem after incarna where i was able to run 1-4 clients on 2 screens whit no problem or lag.
After the expantion i have gothen grafical/system lag and disconects that has made me loose ships, drones and probes to the point i dont even bother undocking.
The pc is not the newest and was in the proses to be changed but going from having 4 clients active in mining or plexing / 2 clients in big fleet fights as good as can be expected to not being able to run 1 lag free / whitout dc is not what i expext in a expantion
It is only in this game the drops happen, the rest of the games i tried is the same and no extra lag.
Hardware
Tried in both stock and overclocked setup
Amd 6400 x2 run both at 3200 or 3800MHz
2 x Ati 3870x2 in xfire
4 gig ram at 800 or 1066 5.5.5.15
2x ocz 60gb vertex ssd disks in raid
I have a petition and have sendt dxdiag to ccp so lets se what they come up whit.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:47:00 -
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This is why all of you running with multiple clients no longer get decent performance with AA enabled, you are running out of VRAM, it's that simple.
I could only run one 1920x1500 client with 8xAA on my ATI 4870x2 2GB (1GB effective VRAM). I could easily run 4 clients with no AA though.
Now I can now run 4 clients at 1920x1500 16xQ, HDR and everything else on max, what was the fix? I upgraded to a graphics card with 3GB of VRAM. With those 4 clients runnign I use a total of 2982MB of VRAM.
When you oversubscribe your VRAM you don't have the equivalent of a swap disk to use like normal RAM, hence you just get 0.5FPS performance instead.
Lowsec is like rockets - nobody uses that content anyways, why fix it?
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Alexei Antonov
Caldari
The Devil's Brigade
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Posted - 2011.02.27 18:50:00 -
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Ill look into VRAM. I had figured that two eve's would suck up a lot. Ill check usage rates later today. And if it's close, well that's just more reason to grab a 6970 lol. Although I haven't really had any FPS issues.It's mostly just weird stuff going on with the UI.
That and the weird glitch where putting the mouse cursor in the upper corner can cause FPS to drop to almost nothing on some setups. Mostly dual screen I think.
(Tried it on mine, went from 110 to 8 O.o and then right back up to 112 when I moved it away....)
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.02.28 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
This is why all of you running with multiple clients no longer get decent performance with AA enabled, you are running out of VRAM, it's that simple.
I could only run one 1920x1500 client with 8xAA on my ATI 4870x2 2GB (1GB effective VRAM). I could easily run 4 clients with no AA though.
Now I can now run 4 clients at 1920x1500 16xQ, HDR and everything else on max, what was the fix? I upgraded to a graphics card with 3GB of VRAM. With those 4 clients runnign I use a total of 2982MB of VRAM.
When you oversubscribe your VRAM you don't have the equivalent of a swap disk to use like normal RAM, hence you just get 0.5FPS performance instead.
Nope, not running out of VRAM. I currently use about 100M pr. client, with 512M on the card (1280x800 resolution).
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.02.28 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Swynet on 28/02/2011 16:04:30
Experiencing some trouble too.
GC overheating/shut down, fps very low and runing two clients right now is just impossible.
Upgraded Catalyst and graphic drivers from 10.12 to last version, nothing changes.
Tryed all sort of setups even the lowest but still having trouble and sometimes have some artifacts apearing on my screen that go away for a few minutes with a single alt+tab.
Usually when artifacts appear on the screen this meens the drivers must be updated or some corrupted file but i've tryied every possible solution from roll back drivers (10.12) to reinstall the latest version folowing the same procedure specific to ATi:
DL files from official page with latest Netframework updated, AV turned off, unistalled all ATi files since controll pannel, reboot, delet all remaining files +clean registry keys, reboot and install new file/drivers, reboot.
Nothing changes with eve but it works for everything else.
Seems something is screwd with graphics.
GC-4870x2 2G DDR5
MB ASUS+Intel I5 OC 3.2Ghz
DDR: 4G DDR1600
Vista 32 SP2
If with this stuff I can't run Eve properly ...
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In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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T1SA
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Posted - 2011.03.09 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!!
Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right?
Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no.
Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously.
So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar.
Windows updates could be the issue but that does not mean that the game developer should not try and make their game compatible with OS. It has the responsibility to deal with microsoft and fix the incompatibility if that's what the problem is.
And i have the same frame stuttering problem most noticeable in warp and near various objects especially when loading them like gate jumps, undocks and coming out of warp. Graphic setting seem irrelevant to this phenomenon, also the cpu seems to be working much harder.
Worked fine before recently...
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.03.13 14:00:00 -
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BUMP! Problem persists. CCP, fix your game!
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Arkhan Novikov
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Posted - 2011.03.15 21:08:00 -
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I just bought a brand new GTX 560 Ti golden sample and eve is horrible to play.
using the old settings i had from my GFX260 which was high settings and no problem what so ever.
I could not use the chat with these settings on my 560 because everytime i sent something i would spike, and it seems it spiked every 10-20 seconds anyway.
I now have the settings on best performance i have to say that playing eve on such low quality is disgusting when you have seen so much better but atleast i can fly my ships without problem..
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Lord Tempist
Caldari
Council of Lords
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Posted - 2011.03.16 00:12:00 -
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Can't even get the client to load completely. It locks my entire computer up and forces me to shut the computer down from my power strip. Made a petition today.
Hey, isn't it strange that some "Alt" always jumps in here and begins ragging on people who have problems getting the game to play after an "Update"? If you don't have a problem and have no intentions of being helpful mind your own business. You know who you are. We do too. |
Zilero
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zilero
I can provoke the lagspike in fps by closing down chat windows and maximizing them again. Upon maximising them I get a spike (well, downwards spike) in fps that resembles what I get if I undock.
Its either font rendering or rendering of the new ******ed avatar pictures that ****s up.
Today I read the following post: Linkage
This immediately caused me to try out this anti-lag solution on my own system, and.... well, so far it seems performance is FAR FAR better. I no longer get the insane lag spikes every half second as I used to - sailing seems fairly smooth again and I can now dual client appropriately it seems (I have not yet tested a third client, which I used to be able to run as well, will do that later).
CCP, if you are reading this, the problems I and several others are experiencing seems CLOSELY related to avatar picture drawing, as I *ALREADY* stated on forums, in petitions and in bug reports, all to no avail.
Luckily it seems like we can fix this **** ourselves by disallowing caching of avatar pictures, but seriously, this should not be necessary at all.
CCP, fix your ******ed graphics engine, NAOW.
-zil
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Lork Niffle
Gallente
External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:21:00 -
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If the portraits are causing the issue, then this is an issue related to hard disk writing. FPS drops suggest your system is putting a lot of resources on writing to your hard disk
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Zilero
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:11:00 -
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I have no problems with other software in this regard. Read write tests all show extreme performance (I'm using SSDs). So no, the problem is with the programming. Why else would I see the exact same thing when I switch chat channels and/or minimize or maximize local and/or alliance etc. chats. Whatever Eve is trying to read from the HD should be cached in memory after a few read/writes.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente
External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:21:00 -
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Regardless of caching, it still needs to be written to the disk, tests don't mimic real life actions completely.
Just because the SSD can manage high streaming read and write speeds doesn't mean it won't fail at short random writes, which is what I think SSDs fail down on much more than mechanical hard disks.
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Alexis Saken
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Posted - 2011.03.31 03:45:00 -
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From the little bit of testing I have done, the problem with my system is that in windowed mode (what I like to use since my screen goes dark after minimizing AND it makes multi boxing a bit quicker), my 4870x2 doesn't go into full 3d acceleration. My frame rate goes from 65+ to 28, the voltage on the card goes from 1.25 V to 1.05 V and the GPU temps drop by over 10 degrees.
The fact that the whole card isn't being utilized makes perfect sense why starting a second copy of the game basically leads to a complete lockup of both clients... the graphics card simply isn't running in 3d gaming mode.
Fake edit: I just changed from windowed to full screen and I could see on my second screen HWMonitor show the card snap back to the correct voltage literally as I clicked the apply button.
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mikez79
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:03:00 -
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guys i have core i5 2500k on p67 ram 8gb 1600mhz xfx radeon5870 2gb superoverclock game is lagging heheh..sorry ccp this is very powerfull pc- do something
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