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Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 14:32:00 - [1] Eve is now unplayable for me (and no, it has not been fixed in 1.1.1). I can't be the only one with this problem? Running one client things are at times fine, at times not. Running two clients I get systemwide (also outside of eve) lag, meaning everything just stops every 1-2 seconds! Whole system slows to a crawl. Pre 1.1.0 I could run 3 clients with no problem, now I can't even run one client properly. http://i55.tinypic.com/rk06k6.jpg - and that's what it looks like Please refer to http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1453023 and http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1452101 and get this cluster**** fixed asap. -zil
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:17:00 - [2] Set everything to low. Login 2 clients, undock - everything is fine and running smoothly at 60 fps (capped). Wait 20-30 seconds and I get the fps lag spikes (and systemwide lag) as shown on above screenshot. CCP, what the hell? -zil
Pedro Carnicero Amarr Hartes Beton	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:18:00 - [3] I'm experiencing the same.. My computer is pretty new, before the patch I could rund 2 clients and watch some movie, at the same time. Now I'm happy if I can run only 1 client without the fps dropping below 20.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:44:00 - [4] Its a graphics performance question, running one client I can produce 99% GPU usage (causing lag spikes and systemwide lag) as long as I have enough stuff around me (ie. at a POS). This makes the game fully unplayable in a fleet fight with all details set to LOW, in reality making Eve not worth playing at all. Thank you for a great upgrade CCP. NOT. -zil (soon to be ex customer)
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Zilero Recommended system configuration for running EVE Online: * OS: Windows« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 * CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD dual core @ 2 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2 * RAM: 2 GB * HD space: 6gig Free Space * Network: ADSL connection or faster * Video: 256 MB Shader Model 3.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce 8 class card or higher, ATi 3000 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers * Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers * DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required. The minimum screen resolution for EVE is 1024x768. Audio hardware must support SSE and be Direct Sound compatible. For optimum performance, use latest drivers available. Please note that Windows 95, 98, ME, NT and 2000 are not supported. My system far surpasses this, yet I'm unable to play. Can I get a refund for a couple of years time wasted?
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:54:00 - [6] What are your system specs? ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 16:21:00 - [7] 8 GB RAM, I5-Core 2.57 GHz, Nvidia NVS3100M
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.21 16:30:00 - [8] Have you ensured the Nvidia control panel is not applying any other processing effects on the client. Ensure AA/Bloom/AA is turned off, clear the cache. Try a different driver version, unless your system cannot provide one. The 310 isn't exactly very powerful to being with. Also check the resource monitor to ensure the system is not doing anything intensive, like reading from the HD. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Sarim Metesur Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 20:16:00 - [9] Same here. I have a low-end machine, but the fact is I was able to play without problems before, with maximum settings. Now even if I turn everything off, nothing changes - I have severe fps drops (better say stops) every 2-3 seconds.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.21 22:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Lork Niffle Have you ensured the Nvidia control panel is not applying any other processing effects on the client. Ensure AA/Bloom/AA is turned off, clear the cache. Try a different driver version, unless your system cannot provide one. The 310 isn't exactly very powerful to being with. Also check the resource monitor to ensure the system is not doing anything intensive, like reading from the HD. Everything is at the lowest. System not doing anything else than playing eve. NVS3100M should be fine for playing one client at lowest settings I assume. I can provoke the lagspike in fps by closing down chat windows and maximizing them again. Upon maximising them I get a spike (well, downwards spike) in fps that resembles what I get if I undock. Its either font rendering or rendering of the new ****ed avatar pictures that **s up. Have petitioned and sent a dxdiag to ccp as requested, hopefully they can find the problem. -zil

Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.24 17:45:00 - [11] Could someone from CCP actually care? I have ** performance on a brand new machine, whereas my old machine performs a tad slower, but decent (well, decent for a 4 year old laptop!). Where before 1.1.0 I would get stable 60 fps (interval 1) I now get 0.4 FPS! New low! (fleet fights with plenty of bubbles and brackets, had no problem with fleets 3x this size before, now I can't even handle 20+ man fleets and 2-3 bubbles). I have posted a bug report, but nobody has even filtered the bug report yet! WTF. Eve is 100% unplayable on a brandnew $4k laptop and performs better on a 4+ year old laptop with a terrible gfx card. Not paying for this **. -zil
Zilero	Posted - 2011.01.28 07:38:00 - [12] Apparently other people are beginning to realize there IS a problem as well. So CCP, fix your ****. -zil
Mori Airuta Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.30 04:05:00 - [13] /bump Seriously, something has to be done with this problem. The game is impossible to play now, unless you are a miner in highsec. ------------------------------------------------ The Mane Problem
roaming flower	Posted - 2011.01.30 11:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Zilero Originally by: Lork Niffle Have you ensured the Nvidia control panel is not applying any other processing effects on the client. Ensure AA/Bloom/AA is turned off, clear the cache. Try a different driver version, unless your system cannot provide one. The 310 isn't exactly very powerful to being with. Also check the resource monitor to ensure the system is not doing anything intensive, like reading from the HD. Everything is at the lowest. System not doing anything else than playing eve. NVS3100M should be fine for playing one client at lowest settings I assume. I can provoke the lagspike in fps by closing down chat windows and maximizing them again. Upon maximising them I get a spike (well, downwards spike) in fps that resembles what I get if I undock. Its either font rendering or rendering of the new ****ed avatar pictures that **s up. Have petitioned and sent a dxdiag to ccp as requested, hopefully they can find the problem. -zil I also have a similar system, and another nvidia card (a 9800 GT w/ 1GB) and am experiencing the same symptoms. Playing on two screens with 2 clients now produces excessive lag, system was running quite well with moderate to high graphics settings before the patch with the same number of clients.
dorfsorc	Posted - 2011.01.30 20:05:00 - [15] i actually got a response to crash and extreme lag issues while running two clients. I would be happy to post the response emails, but essentially, I was told that EVE does NOT support dual client play. I was also told that because microsoft no longer supports XP, neither does CCP in dealing with "client side" issues. My ship losses in combat were unreimburseable, of course, because it was not a server side issue. I have plenty of isk, my complaint had to do with losing ships at all due to game performance. This patch brings nothing to many of us but an undesireable play experience. The clock is ticking on subs and appropriate responses from CCP. the DORF
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.01.31 00:09:00 - [16] I'm getting severe lag spikes every few minutes since last two patches and makes the game unplayable, sometime i get an hour before it comes back if i'm lucky.
Broken Vegetable	Posted - 2011.01.31 17:57:00 - [17] Before the patch I was able to run 3 clients with most of the settings turned up (save AA), but now even with the settings at the very lowest, my framerate will take huge seemingly periodic dives making it very frustrating to play. using a 460gtx latest drivers I play in Fixed Window mode, and I've discovered sometimes the framerate will get 'stuck' at around 38, which I can remedy by hitting alt+enter to go to fullscreen, and then again back to Fixed Window. The nvidia driver option to force vsync doesn't seem to work for eve, so I have to use interval one.
IIPrimaryLotusII	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:21:00 - [18] I recently upgraded from a single 1920x1200 26" monitor to dual monitors at 1920x1080 and was eager to play Eve with one account on each of the two monitors. Then I found out that the performance in Eve was significantly worse in windowed mode. I was getting 60fps very consistently no matter what I was doing with vsync turned on (interval one) with the single monitor in fullscreen mode and all graphics settings turned on and full with 4xAA. In windowed mode 1080p is unplayable, despite it being very smooth fullscreen. I thought it just might be the performance of games in general in windowed mode, however reading this thread it seems there's something going on with the client itself. However it seems in another game, Torchlight, I get a massive loss in framerate from 200+ down to just below 100 fps when switched to windowed mode. So I lowered the resolution to 1280x720, however this is terrible on one screen due to the windows taking up too much space on the screen. The fix was using the extended window mode to have the client stretched across both monitors, in 2560x720. Although this is less pixels overall than my original monitor at 1920x1200, it allows me to take advantage of the two monitors at least.... although if my decision alone was to play Eve on two monitors it would be wasted cash. When playing 2 accounts in the extended resolution, it is playable but it's definately not 100% smooth. Even at this resolution, I had to turn off AA, post processing effects, and HDR. I tried to get a stable 60fps by turning off depth effects and shadows, but it didn't seem to affect the framerate at all by switching those off.... I had major issues with vsync at first as well (interval one). With interval default I was getting pretty good fps with these lowered settings, however with interval one turned on I would get fps drops until the client crashed. The stuttering of frames in interval immediate is pretty.... terrible, so I had to get interval one working at least. I remedied this by uninstalling the 266.x nvidia drivers, letting windows update them, which ended up being driver version 258.96, and it fixed the vsync problem so I could at least use that. Although I also downloaded System Mechanic and ran a deep analysis on my system which took a few hours, and fixed some problems, but more or less I believe it was a driver issue. However it seems that there's no remedy I could find for getting good performance out of Eve in windowed mode, even with one client. Hopefully CCP finds a bug of some sort that will help us out.
Karrick Salk	Posted - 2011.02.02 05:18:00 - [19] This is about where this toon jumps off the train. Pre-incursion, I was running several clients, and watching a movie while mining. Just sitting out in a belt, making little rocks out of big rocks. I enjoy it. what can I say? Anyway, Now since incursion, I have not been able to run but 2 clients, and forget the movie! (annoyed) Also, to add insult to injury, my client now says it has corrupt files and wont load. I only logged out of the farking game not 3 hours ago! So, I bite the bullet, and start downloading the file (again) to re-install the game. while in the install phase, the file says that some files are currupt and cheerfully starts "repairing" itself. This goes on for some time... then POOF. I get a Blue Screen of Death as it's on the last file that it's self correcting. Folks, I'm running a gamming rig..... these issues should not be happening. Here's my biggest beef. yeah, it's a work in progress. Got that. But, how about a really crazy concept, I dunno, fix crap that is already broken instead of putting **e on top of e? REally.. it's a wonder this game actually works some times. So, here I sit, un-installing, and re-installing for the last time. No, really. CCP, this is NOT** how you keep loyal gamers. Oh, and I love the fine attention to customer service they give. "We're sorry, our logs don't indicate there were any issues at that time...." cheap. very cheap.......... Adios from a soon to be "non-eve" player. Karrick
dark'illuminati Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:40:00 - [20] Same problem as the op. Since the patch I can't run 2 clients without massive lag then a game crash, even 1 client is having issues. New Zealand - Telstra Clear ISP

Broken Vegetable	Posted - 2011.02.13 05:54:00 - [21] Anyone have any luck getting the game to run well? Sometimes I get periodic framerate drops with only one client running with all settings on low with my ship docked in a quiet system. I used to be able to run three clients all on high, with one of them running AA.
licht dark Amarr Anuran Origin	Posted - 2011.02.13 12:58:00 - [22] same probleme here. before incusrion i had no problems running 2 clients. now yesterday i update my driver for the n-vidia gtx 295. running 2 of these card in quad sli on windows 7 64 bitt. 1 clients runs fine. as soon i start up the 2 clients it start use max off my holle pc. mem cpu and gpu are all spiking. every thing lock up and there is no fps at all on every thing. so even windows its self lags. only thing i can do then is puss reset and reboot the pc. have a bug report running for 2a 3 weeks and ccp just dont respon to it.
Ataxio	Posted - 2011.02.13 18:16:00 - [23] Only lag issue I've experienced thus far is quite weird. If I place my mouse over the top right corner of the screen, EvE will suddenly drop to 1-5 FPS, but only while the cursor the actively moving on the top right corner. Stopping it or scrolling away makes it instantly stop. Def never seen this before the patch. Full screen / windowed mode seems to have no effect.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.14 14:06:00 - [24] I'm sad that others are experiencing the same issues as I am. However, I'm happy its not only me as that means this is a general dysfunction of Eve and not something related to my particular setup. CCP, fix stuff and don't close my bug report saying "could not reproduce" when I can reproduce it all day long. -zil
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:36:00 - [25] I tried to petition this problem, but so far none of the suggestions i got didn't do any good. When is CCP going to release a patch that actually fixes this problem? I can't go on alliance ops or rat for isk any more because of this random periodic lag. I can stay docked up in station all day with 60+ fps, 20-60 seconds after I undock, the lag spike comes back and repeats every few minutes.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:43:00 - [26] I had an open bug report, I provided screenshots, I provided exact methods of replication, I provided logs, dxdiag, tried everything the GM told me (which I knew would be to no avail since I had no problem prior to January 18th). Bug report got closed with no comment other than "can't reproduce". Well ** you CCP. You are not getting any more money from me until you solve this . When I run out of isk for buying plexes (sooner rather than later as I can't multibox and do the really profitable stuff) I am simply ending my days of playing eve. I have a strong feeling this is a major bug in the graphics engine, but nobody will take it seriously and hence nobody is looking. CCP, once again fails at any sort of programming (and don't even get me started on the cluster that is major lag and the inability of making systems dynamically be reinforced instead of the **ed "petition for a reinforced node" system that right now is killing fights all over Eve with.. SOUL CRUSHING LAG). TLDR; you CCP, your customer service and ability of making a playable game **ing sucks.
2259	Posted - 2011.02.19 07:52:00 - [27] On two separate cards (not installed at the same time) -- my 9800GT, and my GTX 560 Ti -- I saw a severe performance drop with the introduction of 1.1.0. For me, the solution was a single thing: disabling "depth effects" in the graphics sub-menu. On my 9800GT this brought my framerate back up to normal, and on my GTX 560 Ti this increased my framerate and decreased occasional stutter when textures and models were being loaded then rendered. And yes, I really do have both of the above cards. I didn't see any mention from Zilero that he had tried disabling depth effects. Just lots of justified anger, a screenshot that doesn't really show me much, and very few actual details of what was tried.
leavcraft	Posted - 2011.02.19 16:31:00 - [28] I find it fascinating that more threads about lag, disconnects, crashes, etc are showing up daily. When I posted initially, I was berated by other players for not upgrading my system. I have posted a tech GM response about cache files (as if that is the silver bullet) in two of those threads. Otherwise, I, too, have gotten the autoreply response on multiple accounts. I also got the "not server side error" answer for why a very expensive ship could not be replaced after loss due to lag and crash. It is clear to me that the patch, repatch, re-repatch process following both Tyrannis and Incursion are indicators that the client support functions at CCP are not working. Perhaps they should unplug their developer rigs and buy some local gear and use a public ISP instead of a T3 line to see what real customers experience. Maybe then they could "reproduce" the problems and find solutions. I would also suggest they use Windows Xp since it still is listed as the minimum system requirement. just my opinion, Leav
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:03:00 - [29] Originally by: 2259 On two separate cards (not installed at the same time) -- my 9800GT, and my GTX 560 Ti -- I saw a severe performance drop with the introduction of 1.1.0. For me, the solution was a single thing: disabling "depth effects" in the graphics sub-menu. On my 9800GT this brought my framerate back up to normal, and on my GTX 560 Ti this increased my framerate and decreased occasional stutter when textures and models were being loaded then rendered. And yes, I really do have both of the above cards. I didn't see any mention from Zilero that he had tried disabling depth effects. Just lots of justified anger, a screenshot that doesn't really show me much, and very few actual details of what was tried. I'm glad it worked for you, sadly it had no effect for me. This is a weird type of lag to. It makes a pattern on the graph and does not slant down over time, but its very sudden like falling off a cliff sudden and spikes all the way back up after a minute or two.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.19 17:36:00 - [30] Originally by: 2259 On two separate cards (not installed at the same time) -- my 9800GT, and my GTX 560 Ti -- I saw a severe performance drop with the introduction of 1.1.0. For me, the solution was a single thing: disabling "depth effects" in the graphics sub-menu. On my 9800GT this brought my framerate back up to normal, and on my GTX 560 Ti this increased my framerate and decreased occasional stutter when textures and models were being loaded then rendered. And yes, I really do have both of the above cards. I didn't see any mention from Zilero that he had tried disabling depth effects. Just lots of justified anger, a screenshot that doesn't really show me much, and very few actual details of what was tried. As I have already stated, I have everything on minimum settings, that of course include depth effects off :-). I have tried everything, believe me. The problem lies with CCP and their terrible programmers and/or Q&A. I have also tried turning everything on/to max one at a time and mixing things up, all to no avail. With everything at max I see a decrease in the stable fps (from 60 to 40 at interval 1), which is to be expected. I do however still experience the insane fps lag / spikes that drops fps to 0.3 fps in a matter of minutes and instantly when running 2 clients.

Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.20 00:29:00 - [31] Edited by: Rastigan on 20/02/2011 00:31:57 After the Incursion 1.1 patch my FPS has gone from very smooth to choppy as hell. Why is this ? Actually Im pretty sure it happened when they released the patch that excluded older processors, you would think requiring newer instruction sets would = more performance not less.
Desorem	Posted - 2011.02.24 05:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Desorem on 24/02/2011 05:24:40 Bumping topic. Same sh@t here - 40 or so fps before 1.1.0 and around 20 now. Not cool.
Rasz Lin Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.02.24 21:45:00 - [33] Edited by: Rasz Lin on 24/02/2011 21:45:32 Originally by: Zilero 8 GB RAM, I5-Core 2.57 GHz, *Nvidia NVS3100M* Below recommended requirements, barely above minimal. DONT play on a laptop.
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2011.02.24 22:26:00 - [34] OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!! Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right? Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no. Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously. So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar.
Alexei Antonov Caldari The Devil's Brigade	Posted - 2011.02.24 22:52:00 - [35] Edited by: Alexei Antonov on 24/02/2011 22:54:02 I've been seeing alot of wierd stuff as well with the latest patches. First with the shortcuts ceasing to work while playing (will register, but only flash for a second and do not function)and a slight hit on performance using an HD4870. At first I thought, maybe there are some issues with vista just being an old install.(This was pre and also post SP2 updates) So on a custom built and wiped machine ..... --------- i7 860 MSI P55 Board HD4870(Soon to be HD6970. Will update) (This is still a high end spec machine. Not good when current tech is having issues) This setup is being used on Dual Monitors ------- I installed an untouched copy of Vista 64 ultimate. Updated everything to current specs...and yet...with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted. FYI Eve is also the only program currently giving me issues with shortcuts/graphical bugs. CCP touched something and not in a good way.... [url=http://gho.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=375068] [/url]
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2011.02.24 23:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Alexei Antonov with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted. Just making a point here. Microsoft constantly issues updates to their software without ever once taking into account the possible effects those updates might have on any software currently installed on the machines, the same goes for driver software. But lets blame CCP instead shall we? Can I really be the only one who see's the obvious?
Ori Empress United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.25 00:06:00 - [37] It turns out my crazy lag spikes were caused because my laptop was overheating. I bought a really nice laptop cooler with 3 fans with vented holes for maximum airflow, and it feel like a freezer now. I now get a solid 90-100 FPS on maxed out graphics, if you have a laptop with no cooler I suggest you get one.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.25 15:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!! Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right? Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no. Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously. So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar. You have obviously not read at all but just decided to be a douche bag and post ****. I got the problems I'm still experiencing within half a day when I updated the client to Incursion 1.1.0 on January 18th. NOTHING else changed in between. Now go away kthxbai. -zil
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.25 15:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Ori Empress It turns out my crazy lag spikes were caused because my laptop was overheating. I bought a really nice laptop cooler with 3 fans with vented holes for maximum airflow, and it feel like a freezer now. I now get a solid 90-100 FPS on maxed out graphics, if you have a laptop with no cooler I suggest you get one. My laptop is not overheating, that is not the problem. Something else is going on. For what its worth the problem seems to gradually become less severe with each client update, so perhaps in a few more updates the problem will go away fully. This also gives credit to the thought that CCP ****ed stuff up somewhere, that they are aware of it, but choose not to acknowledge it and instead are silently fixing things. The last is good, the blatant disregard of customer complaints and closing of bug reports without comments are... rather customer hostile. I'm still not giving CCP one more euro/usd out of my pocket, ever. -zil
bOaStNdMoStN Gallente EVE Protection Agency Immoral Degenerates	Posted - 2011.02.25 15:55:00 - [40] Yeah i've been having performance issues since these recent updates too.. And now i can't even get eve to install the newest update.. It was running so flawlessy when i started back up again 2months ago.. I'am not even gonna renew my sub though because it has taken me seriously 20minutes to make it to my character, only to click on a menu for my game to freeze up again.. This happened to me when i first started EvE, but when i came back for Incursion it seemed like it was fix.. Oh well, time for me to unsub again. Im A Proud EvE-Phein !

Craponu	Posted - 2011.02.25 16:46:00 - [41] I didn't start having this issue until the recent client update. I went from running 3 clients to barely able to run 1. Had all the graphics on high and 16xAA.. average fps was 40+ undocked. Now I get 25-30 fps docked and about 12 undocked. I removed every trace of eve including misc folders and registry entries and reinstalled. I've updated graphics drivers. Turned my graphics to **... still not working right. Specs: Windows 7 Ultimate Athlon X2 6000+ @ 3.1ghz 4GB DDR2 2x EVGA GTX260 Core 216 SSC My other games run perfectly. I've send a petition to CCP in game. TO CCP: I'd hate to pull you away from whatever it is you do (not fixing problems?)... but it would be ever so kind of you to reply to this thread.**
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:35:00 - [42] Why is everyone blaming CCP for these problems? Out of the 291 people I know that play eve, having asked all of them if they are having any issues, only 9 of them have suffered from any issues at all. Thats 282 people including myself, all with different brands of PC, some custom built, some running Linux, Win XP, Vista and Win 7 all running eve just fine. The 9 people that are having trouble are running the exact same client as the rest of us, the only difference is their hardware and software set-ups which are pretty much unique to them. So lets think for a moment, 292 people all running the same program but on different machines. Oh my god it must be the program, even though the other 282 have no issues AT ALL. Yeah, that must be it. fake edit: I would also say that 292 people is a fair sample size to use for comparing known issues.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.25 23:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Why is everyone blaming CCP for these problems? Out of the 291 people I know that play eve, having asked all of them if they are having any issues, only 9 of them have suffered from any issues at all. Thats 282 people including myself, all with different brands of PC, some custom built, some running Linux, Win XP, Vista and Win 7 all running eve just fine. The 9 people that are having trouble are running the exact same client as the rest of us, the only difference is their hardware and software set-ups which are pretty much unique to them. So lets think for a moment, 292 people all running the same program but on different machines. Oh my god it must be the program, even though the other 282 have no issues AT ALL. Yeah, that must be it. fake edit: I would also say that 292 people is a fair sample size to use for comparing known issues. What part of "a single update **ed the game to hell, from being able to have 3 clients running smoothly to not even one running smoothly" is hard to understand? If you have nothing to contribute besides telling us we are idiots that don't know anything about computers and its our own fault, then ** off. I assure you this is not the case. Regarding your self proclaimed statistical analysis where you, yourself, alone, are asking 292 people about issues.... I'll leave the thoughts about the validity of that up to the clever reader. Now, to sum up: There is a problem, its getting slightly better with each subsequent client update, yet I can still only run one client with "adequate performance" (read: sucky compared to running 3 clients before), whereas I can now only dream of running 3 clients, even 2 clients are not even close to being playable - but hey, perhaps after a few more client updates :P -zil
Alexei Antonov Caldari The Devil's Brigade	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Originally by: Alexei Antonov with NOTHING else installed except windows/drivers and Eve these problems persisted. Just making a point here. Microsoft constantly issues updates to their software without ever once taking into account the possible effects those updates might have on any software currently installed on the machines, the same goes for driver software. But lets blame CCP instead shall we? Can I really be the only one who see's the obvious? I hadn't left out that possibility as I too know microsuck can occasionally dump bad updates(I usually wait for the general consensus on them before DL) and tested Eve with the prior working Vista SP1 and later with SP2. It looks like CCP did something. Eve is a very complex game and once you start building on that it can become hard not to mess something up by changing even one little thing. Tbh I think CCP has done great bug wise over the past years. Granted I'm not ruling out windows or hardware entirely just yet. Eve is a suspect right now, not proven guilty :) [url=http://gho.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=375068] [/url]
IIPrimaryLotusII	Posted - 2011.02.26 01:13:00 - [45] I have already replied to this topic with my own issue which is basically degraded performance while running 2 accounts in window mode. I know people in game that are running 2 accounts also that have NO ISSUES with their framerate. I'm talking they are running the multiple clients completely full with recorded 110 fps tested with vsync turned off. There are certain things that can drastically effect performance in windowed mode. One of the biggest hits is anti-aliasing. While this is a new feature in Eve it is understandable that issues will happen with this, but most games that I run AA it has no noticable effect on the framerate of the game especially with how drivers and hardware handles the technology these days. Most the other features seem to be ok, there is a performance hit but that is expected when turning on features like HDR. hdr is an advanced tech introduced by, I think it was valve with the half life 2 lost coast level?? When it first came out it was quite amazing, and in Eve it's equally amazing, but it takes a major toll on performance in WINDOWED MODE! Note that most of us with the issues it is not about fullscreen, just windowed mode. It's also understandable the game isn't going to run quite as well due to running in a window compared to full direct x supported fullscreen mode. Another issue can be with SLI or crossfire setups. I hear of problems across all games due to the way SLI and crossfire works, they possibly do not run near as well or in some cases the tech isn't used at all in some games. It may have been a windows update but I upgraded to W7 to see if it would fix the issue (From Vista). I think overall my framerate in games has increased by at least 10fps, so it definately helped a LOT. However there is still a major performance hit running games in a window. It's possible windows likes to allocated a good bit of the gpu's memory for the desktop while in a window, affecting performance. EVE is a GPU heavy game, and at least my processor is barely being tasked while running a couple eve accounts. This is either the way the game is intended to work or possibly a bug, but it may just be the nature of the game. Since I upgraded to windows 7 the game is fully playable with shaders, texture, and lod on high but not with any other features turned on. If CCP can get something out of us and possibly find optimizations or bugs to fix, it would be great. I don't think my issues are as severe as others, but there is a massive difference in performance between windowed and fullscreen, massive I tell ya.
Lisa Heyes	Posted - 2011.02.27 01:17:00 - [46] I got the same problem after incarna where i was able to run 1-4 clients on 2 screens whit no problem or lag. After the expantion i have gothen grafical/system lag and disconects that has made me loose ships, drones and probes to the point i dont even bother undocking. The pc is not the newest and was in the proses to be changed but going from having 4 clients active in mining or plexing / 2 clients in big fleet fights as good as can be expected to not being able to run 1 lag free / whitout dc is not what i expext in a expantion It is only in this game the drops happen, the rest of the games i tried is the same and no extra lag. Hardware Tried in both stock and overclocked setup Amd 6400 x2 run both at 3200 or 3800MHz 2 x Ati 3870x2 in xfire 4 gig ram at 800 or 1066 5.5.5.15 2x ocz 60gb vertex ssd disks in raid I have a petition and have sendt dxdiag to ccp so lets se what they come up whit.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.27 16:47:00 - [47] This is why all of you running with multiple clients no longer get decent performance with AA enabled, you are running out of VRAM, it's that simple. I could only run one 1920x1500 client with 8xAA on my ATI 4870x2 2GB (1GB effective VRAM). I could easily run 4 clients with no AA though. Now I can now run 4 clients at 1920x1500 16xQ, HDR and everything else on max, what was the fix? I upgraded to a graphics card with 3GB of VRAM. With those 4 clients runnign I use a total of 2982MB of VRAM. When you oversubscribe your VRAM you don't have the equivalent of a swap disk to use like normal RAM, hence you just get 0.5FPS performance instead. Lowsec is like rockets - nobody uses that content anyways, why fix it?
Alexei Antonov Caldari The Devil's Brigade	Posted - 2011.02.27 18:50:00 - [48] Ill look into VRAM. I had figured that two eve's would suck up a lot. Ill check usage rates later today. And if it's close, well that's just more reason to grab a 6970 lol. Although I haven't really had any FPS issues.It's mostly just weird stuff going on with the UI. That and the weird glitch where putting the mouse cursor in the upper corner can cause FPS to drop to almost nothing on some setups. Mostly dual screen I think. (Tried it on mine, went from 110 to 8 O.o and then right back up to 112 when I moved it away....) [url=http://gho.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=375068] [/url]
Zilero	Posted - 2011.02.28 07:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Mashie Saldana This is why all of you running with multiple clients no longer get decent performance with AA enabled, you are running out of VRAM, it's that simple. I could only run one 1920x1500 client with 8xAA on my ATI 4870x2 2GB (1GB effective VRAM). I could easily run 4 clients with no AA though. Now I can now run 4 clients at 1920x1500 16xQ, HDR and everything else on max, what was the fix? I upgraded to a graphics card with 3GB of VRAM. With those 4 clients runnign I use a total of 2982MB of VRAM. When you oversubscribe your VRAM you don't have the equivalent of a swap disk to use like normal RAM, hence you just get 0.5FPS performance instead. Nope, not running out of VRAM. I currently use about 100M pr. client, with 512M on the card (1280x800 resolution).
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.28 16:01:00 - [50] Edited by: Swynet on 28/02/2011 16:04:30 Experiencing some trouble too. GC overheating/shut down, fps very low and runing two clients right now is just impossible. Upgraded Catalyst and graphic drivers from 10.12 to last version, nothing changes. Tryed all sort of setups even the lowest but still having trouble and sometimes have some artifacts apearing on my screen that go away for a few minutes with a single alt+tab. Usually when artifacts appear on the screen this meens the drivers must be updated or some corrupted file but i've tryied every possible solution from roll back drivers (10.12) to reinstall the latest version folowing the same procedure specific to ATi: DL files from official page with latest Netframework updated, AV turned off, unistalled all ATi files since controll pannel, reboot, delet all remaining files +clean registry keys, reboot and install new file/drivers, reboot. Nothing changes with eve but it works for everything else. Seems something is screwd with graphics. GC-4870x2 2G DDR5 MB ASUS+Intel I5 OC 3.2Ghz DDR: 4G DDR1600 Vista 32 SP2 If with this stuff I can't run Eve properly ... ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.

T1SA	Posted - 2011.03.09 14:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys OMFG GUIS CCP HATES ME AND BROKE MY STUFFZ!!!!!! Thats what you all sound like. Zilero, you have got to be the biggest douche I've seen posting on here for a number of years. What is the ONE thing that every single one of you whiners has in common? You ALL use windows of one flavour or another right? Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, a recent update from them might have caused issues? How about this; has even one of you considered just how many countless permutations of hardware and software exist in the PC market as of this moment? I'm gonna say the answer is no. Show me one company that deals in software that has tested and retested just one single piece of complex software on every single available permutation of hardware on the market. I'll save you the trouble, there isn't one. And yet you all expect CCP to do it and to answer all of your seperate, and due to the aforementioned hardware permutations, clearly different complaints immediately and simultaneously. So far I have not come across one complaint here from someone who has changed NOTHING else on their systems. Whether it be a driver update, hardware upgrade, OS re-install or an OS update. Perhaps you should consider some of these blindingly obvious facts before you come here and rant like hyped up 3 year old who has just been denied a candy bar. Windows updates could be the issue but that does not mean that the game developer should not try and make their game compatible with OS. It has the responsibility to deal with microsoft and fix the incompatibility if that's what the problem is. And i have the same frame stuttering problem most noticeable in warp and near various objects especially when loading them like gate jumps, undocks and coming out of warp. Graphic setting seem irrelevant to this phenomenon, also the cpu seems to be working much harder. Worked fine before recently...
Zilero	Posted - 2011.03.13 14:00:00 - [52] BUMP! Problem persists. CCP, fix your game!
Arkhan Novikov	Posted - 2011.03.15 21:08:00 - [53] I just bought a brand new GTX 560 Ti golden sample and eve is horrible to play. using the old settings i had from my GFX260 which was high settings and no problem what so ever. I could not use the chat with these settings on my 560 because everytime i sent something i would spike, and it seems it spiked every 10-20 seconds anyway. I now have the settings on best performance i have to say that playing eve on such low quality is disgusting when you have seen so much better but atleast i can fly my ships without problem..
Lord Tempist Caldari Council of Lords	Posted - 2011.03.16 00:12:00 - [54] Can't even get the client to load completely. It locks my entire computer up and forces me to shut the computer down from my power strip. Made a petition today. Hey, isn't it strange that some "Alt" always jumps in here and begins ragging on people who have problems getting the game to play after an "Update"? If you don't have a problem and have no intentions of being helpful mind your own business. You know who you are. We do too.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.03.30 12:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Zilero I can provoke the lagspike in fps by closing down chat windows and maximizing them again. Upon maximising them I get a spike (well, downwards spike) in fps that resembles what I get if I undock. Its either font rendering or rendering of the new ****ed avatar pictures that *s up. Today I read the following post: Linkage This immediately caused me to try out this anti-lag solution on my own system, and.... well, so far it seems performance is FAR FAR better. I no longer get the insane lag spikes every half second as I used to - sailing seems fairly smooth again and I can now dual client appropriately it seems (I have not yet tested a third client, which I used to be able to run as well, will do that later). CCP, if you are reading this, the problems I and several others are experiencing seems CLOSELY related to avatar picture drawing, as I ALREADY* stated on forums, in petitions and in bug reports, all to no avail. Luckily it seems like we can fix this ** ourselves by disallowing caching of avatar pictures, but seriously, this should not be necessary at all. CCP, fix your ****ed graphics engine, NAOW. -zil
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:21:00 - [56] If the portraits are causing the issue, then this is an issue related to hard disk writing. FPS drops suggest your system is putting a lot of resources on writing to your hard disk ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Zilero	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:11:00 - [57] I have no problems with other software in this regard. Read write tests all show extreme performance (I'm using SSDs). So no, the problem is with the programming. Why else would I see the exact same thing when I switch chat channels and/or minimize or maximize local and/or alliance etc. chats. Whatever Eve is trying to read from the HD should be cached in memory after a few read/writes.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:21:00 - [58] Regardless of caching, it still needs to be written to the disk, tests don't mimic real life actions completely. Just because the SSD can manage high streaming read and write speeds doesn't mean it won't fail at short random writes, which is what I think SSDs fail down on much more than mechanical hard disks. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Alexis Saken	Posted - 2011.03.31 03:45:00 - [59] From the little bit of testing I have done, the problem with my system is that in windowed mode (what I like to use since my screen goes dark after minimizing AND it makes multi boxing a bit quicker), my 4870x2 doesn't go into full 3d acceleration. My frame rate goes from 65+ to 28, the voltage on the card goes from 1.25 V to 1.05 V and the GPU temps drop by over 10 degrees. The fact that the whole card isn't being utilized makes perfect sense why starting a second copy of the game basically leads to a complete lockup of both clients... the graphics card simply isn't running in 3d gaming mode. Fake edit: I just changed from windowed to full screen and I could see on my second screen HWMonitor show the card snap back to the correct voltage literally as I clicked the apply button.
mikez79	Posted - 2011.04.04 18:03:00 - [60] guys i have core i5 2500k on p67 ram 8gb 1600mhz xfx radeon5870 2gb superoverclock game is lagging heheh..sorry ccp this is very powerfull pc- do something

mikez79	Posted - 2011.04.04 18:13:00 - [61] schock the client!!tap "start" and go back to client...do it few times until game wakes up - it works!!!
Kai Crichton Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.04.05 14:00:00 - [62] Hi, I had lots of the same problems being reported here. I even tried to make a petition to CCP about a graphic error with the new Incursion patch. Didn't come far though. I used to have 60 fps in window / full-screen mode. Then Incursion came, and suddenly all clients were capped at 40fps/25fps. I didn't install MS updates, new graphic drivers or anything else meanwhile. However I want to share my solution with you guys. This I know works with Window mode/Fixed mode, however it should have a good impact on the full-screen mode as well. 1) Disable Desktop Composition - in short, turn off AERO when playing EVE. (Right click your EVE shortcut, press on properties, go to Compability tab, check off "Disable Desktop Composition" This little trick should atleast bump you guys 10-15 fps. 2) V-sync, you don't need more then 60 fps in EVE, it's the lag that kills you. I don't enable v-sync in Catalyst Control or Nvidia settings, but let EVE client decide to have v-sync on/off. 3) When in game, you have all the correct settings you think, but still low fps. Which I do get after I start my clients. My solution is to press ESC, wait for 3-4 sec, then press "close window" again. Then my fps go from 40 to 60fps in an instant. (This is what I petiotioned to CCP) Clearly a bug, and came with Incursion. Hope this can help some of you guys! Good luck!


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