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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.01.24 00:11:00 -
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The Deimos, which has more reason than any other HAC for speed, is the slowest. Supposedly "sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts" it is 30% slower than the zealot, a laser "gunboat," a ship with no real need to move fast. What gives? 
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.01.24 00:21:00 -
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2005.01.24 02:48:00 -
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The Demios is designed to run a mwd. The Gallente cruiser skill gives the pilot a 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity per level. It wouldn't be balanced if it was the fastest HAC and recieved a mwd bonus.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.24 02:55:00 -
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I think it's pretty logical that the ship with the most devastating firepower should probably not be the fastest.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:03:55
most devastating firepower  ???
ur kidding me
what do you do vs an enemy well tanked vs thermal and kinetic  ???
yep ur hybrides are worth nothing then and u die or flee.
firepower my ass lol
there are HAC,s with better firepower than the deimos 
even my HAC has advantage over it with changing damage type
on some of its weapon systems ( and no its not the cerberus ) 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 24/01/2005 03:07:48
Right.
Tell you what. Show me another AC that can put out roughly a 15.x damage modifier and a rate of fire hovering around two seconds, and can fit 10 medium drones on top of that. We'll talk damage then.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:34:07
tell me how u kill an enemy ( like my eagle )
when properly fitted
88% VS THERMAL
85% VS KINETIC
i can run my L tech II shield boost+ shield boost amp forever wich gives 390hp/4sec
WHAT U DO THEN ??? ... yes like i thought ...u flee
vs a good thermal and kinetic tanked enemy ur deimos is worthless
m8 of me opened fire with his dominix on my eagle, he fired with all he had and used also his drones..
i could so easely tank him ..omg
so i doubt ur deimos does more damage than a dominix , while a dominix cant kill me
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 03:34:22
 Originally by: MECHcore
88% VS THERMAL
85% VS KINETIC
i can run my L tech II shield boost forever wich gives 390hp/4sec
WHAT U DO THEN ??? ... yes like i thought ...u flee
vs a good thermal and kinetic tanked enemy ur deimos is worthless
m8 of me opened fire with his dominix on my eagle, he fired with all he had and used also his drones..
i could so easely tank him ..omg
so i doubt ur deimos does more damage than a dominix
Yes, a demios will do more damage then a dominix 99% of the time. Yes, 10 vespas and 5 tech2 ions with a damage mod or two will probably break that tank. Yes, he has a tank similar to yours, and no, you dont have the firepower to break his.
Originally by: Sochin
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:41:40
lol ur saying now that cruiser guns are more heavyer than bs guns ? :p
how long ur playing this game 2weeks ??
did u read the manual before playing ??
i could so easely tank that dominix so i wont have trouble with a deimos in years :p
omg man my ship is almost invulnerable VS THERMAL AND KINETIC = VS HYBRIDES
MY EAGLE IS UBER TANKED VS ANY HYBRIDES , U WONT GET THRU
u get it now ???
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 04:06:28
Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 03:45:19
Originally by: MECHcore
lol ur saying now that cruiser guns are more heavyer than bs guns ? :p
did u read the manual before playing ??
i could so easely tank that dominix so i wont have trouble with a deimos in years :p
I have one word for you. Tracking.
And yes, a demios gets 2 damage bonuses. Its blasters are on par with battleship blasters in damage, and it has a tank that looks a lot like yours.
Originally by: Sochin
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:40:00 -
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Try having your friend use a blasterthron. That's more equal to the damage a deimos outputs. Dominix is crap for blaster offense.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:52:54
im still not impressed :p
i can easely tank triple bs gallente rats with lots of inty.. but guess what..
u guys dont have much knowledge about the eagle and its performances..
tanking such deimos would like be a walk in the park
i fly it for about 1,5months now, so i know its capabilities , and i can say > hybrides are worthless vs an eagle.. its resistances are allready scale high vs thermal and kinetic , if u then even tank more vs that ...omg , i tested over and over vs heavy hybride firepower and few times i had to activate my shieldbooster for 1run ( 2 at most )
so i understand it ... u guys just underestimate my ship :p
in my eyes the rax was good but they screwed the deimos.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:58:16
ROLLIN DUTCH MASTERS
u dont know how i get 390HP ????
CRUISER LVL5 = 25% BONUS TO SHIELD BOOSTING
L TECH II SHIELD BOOSTER + 240HP/4SEC
25% FROM SHIP BONUS +30% FROM SHIELDBOOST AMP + 390HP/4SEC
plz next time think before writing something 
like i said u dont look good and underestimate the eagle capabilities
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 04:07:39
Originally by: MECHcore
so i understand it ... u guys just underestimate my ship :p
Actually I did the math with like, real numbers. It seems that youre using a passive thermal hardener, an active kinetic hardener, a large shield booster II, and 2 43% amps. Which means that your EM resistance is roughly 0. Those 10 Infiltrators doing EM damage are going to be doing about the same damage as the deimos with its blasters, and by my math, you wont be able to tank it.
EDIT - NVM about the shield boosting. My spreadsheet was wrong, had the tech1 stats in the tech2 spot.
Originally by: Sochin
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Kirex
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:01:00 -
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doesnt the deimos have a slot so it can carry a med. nos?....
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 03:52:54
im still not impressed :p
i can easely tank triple bs gallente rats with lots of inty.. but guess what..
u guys dont have much knowledge about the eagle and its performances..
tanking such deimos would like be a walk in the park
i fly it for about 1,5months now, so i know its capabilities , and i can say > hybrides are worthless vs an eagle.. its resistances are allready scale high vs thermal and kinetic , if u then even tank more vs that ...omg , i tested over and over vs heavy hybride firepower and few times i had to activate my shieldbooster for 1run ( 2 at most )
so i understand it ... u guys just underestimate my ship :p
in my eyes the rax was good but they screwed the deimos.
No, it's that your argument is completely stupid and beside the point. It's like saying "Well megapulse aren't overpowered because they do crap damage against my muninn." Of COURSE if something is tanked to hell against a damage type then the weapon in question is crap 
Overall, the deimos has the most devastating hitting power in terms of raw damage output. That's what the OP was trying to say.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:03:00 -
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my m8 with his domi used em heavy drones , his so called killerbees
actually i dont have to activate my shield booster for his rails , from time to time i had to activate it for his drones , but no big deal :)
tanking vs drones isnt to hard
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 04:09:27
Originally by: Kirex
doesnt the deimos have a slot so it can carry a med. nos?....
Its easier for the comparison to just assume that the ship in question has the cap to run its tank and give to the nos. It probably cant, but thats just a pain to do the calculations for. Originally by: MECHcore
my m8 with his domi used em heavy drones , his so called killerbees
actually i dont have to activate my shield booster for his rails , from time to time i had to activate it for his drones , but no big deal :)
tanking vs drones isnt to hard
Hmm, yeah, fixed my numbers and I got you just barely coming out on top in tanking because of your EM hardener. Still, he is going to be nosing you, and I dont think you'll be able to hold up against that forever.
Originally by: Sochin
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 04:17:31
SLIM ALL I WANT TO SAY IS ....
U CANT CHANGE DAMAGE TYPE WITH UR DEIMOS !!!
AND THATS A VERY WEAK POINT , IT GETS EVEN BADDER IF U STAND VS AN ENEMY TANKED LIKE HELL VS UR DAMAGE TYPE
( AND U CANT CHANGE DAMAGE TYPE )
I WOULD FEEL LIKE A FOOL THEN 
COZ I SHOULD HAVE TO FLEE
i would even say that i love the cerberus more than the deimos , because it can change damage type :)
for example
we have a fight vs a shield tanked caldari enemy wich has 0% vs EM and pretty good resistance vs thermal and kinetic.
-cerberus shoots with his EM missiles , omg .. amazing damage.
-deimos shoots with its blasters and nice damage bonusses ,
i think i could cry ;_; !
the deimos will be very good vs some ships with middle to less thermal and kinetic resistances.
vs heavy assaults and bs with very high thermal and kinetic resistances , ur deimos would make no chance in getting him down.
i hope that some people will finally get it now
im not lying those are just the facts ..
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 24/01/2005 04:13:46
Originally by: MECHcore
Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 04:09:44
SLIM ALL I WANT TO SAY IS ....
U CANT CHANGE DAMAGE TYPE WITH UR DEIMOS !!!
AND THATS A VERY WEAK POINT , IT GETS EVEN BADDER IF U STAND VS AN ENEMY TANKED LIKE HELL VS UR DAMAGE TYPE
( AND U CANT CHANGE DAMAGE TYPE )
I WOULD FEEL LIKE A FOOL THEN
COZ I SHOULD HAVE TO FLEE
i would even say that i love the cerberus more than the deimos :)
Its a very safe assumption to say that if a demios is shooting at you, your eagle will be doing no damage worthy of the name to it. He'll be nosing you and he'll have about 80 DpS, counting your resistances. If you cant sustain the shield booster forever against the nos, youre toast. He has all day.
Oh, and you cant change the damage type of your blasters, no. You can bring drones that dont do thermal or kinetic (and you will if youre not a moron), in case you find someone heavily tanked against thermal/kenetic.
Originally by: Sochin
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Kirex
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kirex on 24/01/2005 04:14:30
make it easier and post your full set-up
im interested to see if you can tank againste em, thermal, and kenic and still can put up a good offence
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 04:25:37
some think that the deimos is saved with its small 1000m¦ drones ;_;
its rediculous .. those fly,s dont hurt me
i have enough with 390hp/4sec to tank those drones
the only thing i cant hold with my eagle is ....
-raven
-gankageddon ( couldnt tank that one , but probably just enough time to escape  )
and i have to watch out with bs,ses and heavy NOS
medium NOS wont hurt me that much, i could still hold my L shield booster II with a test , with decent skills and modulles cap from eagle ownz ..
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Zanthiuse
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
some think that the deimos is saved with its 1000m¦ drones ;_;
its rediculous .. those fly,s dont hurt me
i nominate you for most immature, stupid, and wrong poster ever.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:23:00 -
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MECH, I think what you're losing sight of here is that it's just as easy for a Deimos to tank against an Eagle's hybrids as it is for an Eagle to tank against a Deimos's hybrids. So what it suddenly comes down to is rate of fire and damage modifier. And range. Which is an Eagle's only hope against a deimos: keep it at arm's length. Much like the Moa's only hope against a thorax is to keep the thorax at range.
It would be a long fight, but if a deimos gets into optimal of an Eagle and can stay in optimal, the Eagle will quite simply lose.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: MECHcore
some think that the deimos is saved with its 1000m¦ drones ;_;
its rediculous .. those fly,s dont hurt me
10 infiltrators will do about 60 EM DpS to a cruiser. Assuming you have an EM hardener, thats 30 DpS, on top of the demios's 50 or so. Yes, you can tank it. No, you cant do any damage back to him thats more then laughable.
And he's nossing you. If you run out of cap dealing with that on top of your tanking, you die.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:29:00 -
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This is a funny, funny thread. Mech, I'll only say two more things:
- To date I have fought three Eagles in my Zealot, which does about 40-50% less damage than a gank Deimos. I shattered them all.
- There are very few single ships I genuinely do not wish to encounter while flying my Apoc. Deimos is one such ship.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:34:00 -
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to be honest i think that if there are 2 good pilots , none could kill eachother..
both could tank eachothers damage.
but make no mistake , i could so easely tank a deimos that it would be fun to watch
btw my optimal range is far better i could hit him easy between 5-80km with uranium ammo
and i dont need mwd , the deimos needs mwd so he can flee
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: MECHcore on 24/01/2005 04:39:47
ISTVAAN , then u fought vs bad pilots
its fun to see the ones that underestimate the eagle 
i didnt fight any other HAC yet, but i took a scorp down with my eagle :)
but hey i have my opinion and u have urs..
not all of us like the deimos , so live with it
respect other peoples choices
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Ryo Jang
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ryo Jang on 24/01/2005 04:46:32
Edited by: Ryo Jang on 24/01/2005 04:45:43
the only way to settle it would be to meet up for a duel, MECH vs whoever has balls. choose a time, we will all come to watch.
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.01.24 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Hobbsalong on 24/01/2005 04:58:03
Rather silly asking for a setup duel.
I'll bring fire... you bring some flame retardant. KTHXBYE
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