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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:09:00 -
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I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:11:00 -
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lol. dont let the door hit you on the way out. sorry but thats a crappy reason to quit
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:12:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
LOL! In WOW you will not have that possibility either!
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:15:00 -
[4]
Hey Mister it was like that before with the old creator anyway! But more importantly give your stuff to a little girl! I'll take good care of it! Promise!
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Dont forget to pick your teddy up from the corner as you leave..
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:21:00 -
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LOL!
in every mmo i've ever seen each race/class had its own custom clothing/gear that was exclusive to that class.
you must be very new to gaming to be surprised by such a universal game standard.
also clothing doesn't affect anything in this game, so to ragequit over not being able to wear all the same shirts as all the other characters is immature at best, completely mental at worst.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:23:00 -
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Hi. I believe discussing GM response is not permitted.
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hi. I believe discussing GM response is not permitted.
He's ragequitting anyway so it doesnt matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxZDXUmGGsU
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:25:00 -
[9]
Also before you cancel your subscription, be kind enough to biomass your character so that no one can ever hear from you again kthnx.
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:25:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hi. I believe discussing GM response is not permitted.
^ posting a GM responce is a nono for sure, awaiting the thread nerf bat 
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:44:00 -
[11]
You wont be missed, bye!
<emorage quit>
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:46:00 -
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Take care Andreus, this is frustrating for many folks as it is very unpolished. Don't do anything rash like biomassing yourself. Take a break and come back in a few months and see if things are better for you :)
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal |
Greatdum
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:46:00 -
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Can I have your stuffs?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Take care Andreus, this is frustrating for many folks as it is very unpolished. Don't do anything rash like biomassing yourself. Take a break and come back in a few months and see if things are better for you :)
Since my subscription doesn't actually run out until March, I guess I might as well actually respond to the one constructive response I got, especially given that the thread is full of "Herp derp, you're stupid for not continuing to pay money for a game you're not satisfied with!" :)
Thanks Mecinia.
Originally by: Greatdum
Can I have your stuffs?
Reread the OP, and you'll have your answer 
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Since my subscription doesn't actually run out until March, I guess I might as well actually respond to the one constructive response I got, especially given that the thread is full of "Herp derp, you're stupid for not continuing to pay money for a game you're not satisfied with!" :)
Sure, its foolish to pay money for something that you're not satisfied with.
No reasonable person would fault you on that point, for sure.
We're just questioning your stated reason for not being happy with it. I'm sure your opinions on the matter are strong, and genuinely held, and therefore it wouldn't be a good desicion to continue paying for the game. However, you have picked as your reason, just about the most superficial "problem" to be dis-satisfied with.
It would be like giving up chess because someone wanted you to play on a red/white board instead of a black/white one. Fine, give up if you want, but dont come on the forums with some pathetic justification, and then expect people to be sympathetic; either HTFU or leave quietly.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:58:00 -
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You quit because you cant change the bloodline you selected. Thats one epic whinethread. Its like playing WoW or something and then figure out you dont want to be a...elf? But rather a goblin?
Biggest pathetic excuse to biatch. And not just that, you also feel you need to share it with everyone. Because the world is so horrible to you.
Grow up and -1/10.
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Dysphoric PodBoy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:02:00 -
[17]
Crappiest reason evah.
10/10
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Safian Krill
Amarr
RedStar Ind. Co
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:02:00 -
[18]
BOOwhoo BOOwhOO go back to ya corner of ya room and play w/ ya self, and stop complaining tht things just dont go ur way. IT's Life it aint far get ova it.
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Adverse Conditions
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:08:00 -
[19]
You gotta be kidding. The only thing that differentiates each race is appearance and if you can't handle or grasp that I don't think I'd want your stuff. 
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:10:00 -
[20]
bye!
(contract your stuff to me on the way out)
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Scorpionidae
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:13:00 -
[21]
So... your leaving because of a avatar thingy that no one really looks at anyways? Com'on!!! You sir are very stupid.
Scorpionidae
IB4 move to OOPE
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Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Random Selection.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:14:00 -
[22]
Bye.
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:15:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Anne Arqui on 22/01/2011 11:16:12
If I'm not allowed to change bloodline (I'm Vherokior) I'm definitely leaving too. I don't accept CCP's rude enforcing of a totallty new, different look that I would never have picked in the frist place.
I didn't pick the old look for the bloodline, that bloodline just happened to have that look. Now I'm stuck with the bloodline but the possibility to have that certain look is gone.
I can't relate to my character anymore, it takes a way a lot of the fun for me, especially as I see people with characters that do look like how I'd want to look. It's very frustrating.
My account expires in 2 months. And sorry, I already have people who get my stuff if nothing changes.
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Kranwe Sentai
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:18:00 -
[24]
I think the OP is an attention ho.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:18:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Well Andreus...I've known you for a while now, but I cant say I agree with your reasoning. However, you've always been nice to me, so good luck in whatever you do next. 
[21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C. |
Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 22/01/2011 11:26:02
I've played about 11 MMOs and not one of them did not have race restrictions, their appearance and what they could do. 2 of those games this one and 1 other did not have what they could do as a restriction.
So I take you are giving up MMOs and all single player games where you have more than one race?
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Kaptajn Jespersen
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:20:00 -
[27]
U mad?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:22:00 -
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A lot of people in this thread aren't understanding why Andreus is upset. He's not upset that you can't change bloodlines. He's upset that one bloodline gets a certain resource like a shirt or a jacket and the other doesn't get access to the same.
That's why he's upset. In my opinion, rightly so. It's fair to an extent but CCP gave us so little to work with so it's really over the line.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:26:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/01/2011 11:26:32
Originally by: Forum Guy
I've played about 11 MMOs and not one of them did not have race restrictions, be it what they could do or appearance.
So I take you are giving up MMOs and all single player games where you have more than one race?
What a silly argument. How many people would quit WoW if their Orc suddenly looked like and elf?
Or who would be happy if you brought your black car to the dealer and he painted it pink because there's some new, stronger paint?
Yout lack of compassion/empathy is devastating.
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Ming Call
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ming Call on 22/01/2011 11:30:36
How on earth did Eve win a community award with repeated replies like these? If only this thread was an exception.
OP, I hear your frustration, but in my own humble opinion, would seem a minor detail to be quitting over. Is this the last straw of a much bigger and longer term collection of issues? Perhaps its time to take a break, and have a think about what brought you to Eve in the first place. Don't biomass anything. Just go do something else for a while, and stick your head back round the door in a few weeks or months time. I did, for a year. Helped me get RL sorted, and re-evaluate what I wanted from the game rather than what other people told me I had to do to have fun.
If it is just the character creator content, remember its in its infancy, and more content will follow later. I understand that potentially in game player manufacturer items could come in to play, making this a mute issue.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:38:00 -
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Btw there will come more stuff later, shirts, tattoos etc. With next expansions. But again, patience is...a virtue. But they still still be bloodline related. So a gallente wont look like an amarr.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:41:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Ming Call
How on earth did Eve win a community award with repeated replies like these? If only this thread was an exception.
I know, right? I didn't originally intend this thread to be a troll thread, but it seems I hit 10/10 as people are now spending far more time and emotional investment over replying to it than I did over writing it.
Originally by: Ming Call
OP, I hear your frustration, but in my own humble opinion, would seem a minor detail to be quitting over.
There's some context behind it.
Originally by: Ming Call
Is this the last straw of a much bigger and longer term collection of issues?
Yes.
Originally by: Ming Call
Perhaps its time to take a break
Way ahead of you.
Originally by: Ming Call
Don't biomass anything.
Oh no way, man! Since I'm paid up until March anyway I'll probably still log in to train skills, might finish training all my battleship skills to V or something. Who knows, maybe CCP will actually make the changes I want and I'll uncancel my subscription.
Originally by: Ming Call
If it is just the character creator content, remember its in its infancy, and more content will follow later.
Yeah, I've heard the unpleasant word "microtransaction" thrown around when discussing that.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:54:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Maybe OP didn't make himself clear enough but I understand that he wants to swap bloodlines because he doesn't like the looks his old bloodline now offers (he's a player from 2005). Seems quite clear to me, though.
I understand that most people are ok with the new looks but a lot aren't. There's more theads about this; it has been mentioned a lot of times in the Sisi feedback threads and there's a proposal in the assembly hall with over 100 support votes already.
As for you questing my compassion and empathy which I see you have now edited out.
I was one of the ones putting a case across for allowing people to choose from their bloodline again.
If I could have found the thread that those posts were in they would have answered that compassion/empathy comment of yours better. But it's like looking for a needle in a haystack with the amount of threads that have been generated lately.
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Sir Krassy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:55:00 -
[34]
Yeah look, im not too happy with this stuck up approach EVE online has. Its getting very wearing. I'm contemplating my cancellation as-well.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:56:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Forum Guy
I was one of the ones putting a case across for allowing people to choose from their bloodline again.
If I could have found the thread that those posts were in they would have answered that compassion/empathy comment of yours better. But it's like looking for a needle in a haystack with the amount of threads that have been generated lately.
Yes I removed that because I recognized your name! I just didn't understand your comment in the light of your previous posts.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:00:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Forum Guy on 22/01/2011 12:00:16
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Forum Guy
I was one of the ones putting a case across for allowing people to choose from their bloodline again.
If I could have found the thread that those posts were in they would have answered that compassion/empathy comment of yours better. But it's like looking for a needle in a haystack with the amount of threads that have been generated lately.
Yes I removed that because I recognized your name! I just didn't understand your comment in the light of your previous posts.
Well that's my fault, I should have explained where I was coming from better. Always the danger when you wake up and are not fully switched on, just need more coffee.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:04:00 -
[37]
No, the thing is, I don't want to change my bloodline. I want to have access to all the clothing options and hairstyle options on my current bloodline - and more importantly, I want everyone to have that same freedom of choice on every bloodline.
There is no logical reason why a member of a bloodline could not style his hair in certain ways or not buy certain clothes. That just doesn't make sense. Race-locking certain facial shape and skin tone variables makes sense, but restricting art assets in this way is illogical and frankly counterproductive.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:07:00 -
[38]
Pfft! Typical Gallente, can't have it all so they don't want any. Next he'll declare war to take what others have in the name of "freedom".
True rage-quits biomass, DO IT!!!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:10:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Pfft! Typical Gallente, can't have it all so they don't want any. Next he'll declare war to take what others have in the name of "freedom".
IGS is that way brosef
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:13:00 -
[40]
Edited by: W1rlW1nd on 22/01/2011 12:14:39
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
No, the thing is, I don't want to change my bloodline. I want to have access to all the clothing options and hairstyle options on my current bloodline - and more importantly, I want everyone to have that same freedom of choice on every bloodline.
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as stated, the op has nothing to do with bloodlines- he is ragequitting because wants everyone to be able to wear the same clothes!
pay attention people!
and furthermore he is SO OUTRAGED that he is ragequitting 2 months in advance bacause he wants to keep playing until his sub is up in march
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:18:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
No, the thing is, I don't want to change my bloodline. I want to have access to all the clothing options and hairstyle options on my current bloodline - and more importantly, I want everyone to have that same freedom of choice on every bloodline.
There is no logical reason why a member of a bloodline could not style his hair in certain ways or not buy certain clothes. That just doesn't make sense. Race-locking certain facial shape and skin tone variables makes sense, but restricting art assets in this way is illogical and frankly counterproductive.
The reason they restrict what bloodlines/races can do (n/a to this game) and look like is to keep a seperate identity for each, so not everyone looks the same.
They could keep adding clothes, hairstyle etc. but there would never be enough to keep people looking different without imposing restrictions. Same clothes different colours, but they really just look the same.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:18:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/01/2011 12:22:42
Originally by: W1rlW1nd
as stated, the op has nothing to do with bloodlines- he is ragequitting because wants everyone to be able to wear the same clothes!
pay attention people!
and furthermore he is SO OUTRAGED that he is ragequitting 2 months in advance bacause he wants to keep playing until his sub is up in march
People should do what they think is right.
And no, it's not just about clothes if you read correctly, it's about (the lack of) customization options that other bloodlines do have.
Originally by: Forum Guy
The reason they restrict what bloodlines/races can do (n/a to this game) and look like is to keep a seperate identity for each, so not everyone looks the same.
They could keep adding clothes, hairstyle etc. but there would never be enough to keep people looking different without imposing restrictions. Same clothes different colours, but they really just look the same.
I think when we'll be able to walk in stations we'll all look a lot more the same than the forum pictures seem to suggest. No more differences in posture, angles, light effects, backgrounds, we're also all the same length. I guess we'll see 95% of the females all have the same 3 or 4 hairstyles, for example (as most hairstyles looks so silly they're quite redundant).
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Silvermoon Armanis
Gallente
ZiiP Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:22:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Silvermoon Armanis on 22/01/2011 12:25:32
Gahaha, Really andreus?!
You mad?
I guess you didnt read the Devbolg that they will be bringing in more features in the future and that we will be able to re do our characters over and over freely. Yknow so you can wear a boobtube, onepiece or whatever you want. just gotta wait.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Forum Guy
The reason they restrict what bloodlines/races can do (n/a to this game) and look like is to keep a seperate identity for each, so not everyone looks the same.
This argument doesn't really hold water. Have you looked at portraits lately? Everyone already looks the same, and the less options each bloodline has, the more people will look the same.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:27:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ming Call
Edited by: Ming Call on 22/01/2011 11:30:36
How on earth did Eve win a community award with repeated replies like these? If only this thread was an exception.
Because op is just trolling? Who in their right mind would quit EVE over something so trivial?
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:31:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Originally by: Ming Call
How on earth did Eve win a community award with repeated replies like these? If only this thread was an exception.
Because op is just trolling? Who in their right mind would quit EVE over something so trivial?
Maybe what's trivial for you may not be trivial to other people?
Or does that sound very strange?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:31:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 22/01/2011 12:32:17
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Because op is just trolling? Who in their right mind would quit EVE over something so trivial?
We're playing an MMORPG. Everything is trivial.
Also, I ask again: who in their right mind would continue paying money to play a game whose features they weren't satisfied with?
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:32:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Forum Guy on 22/01/2011 12:33:07
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Forum Guy
The reason they restrict what bloodlines/races can do (n/a to this game) and look like is to keep a seperate identity for each, so not everyone looks the same.
This argument doesn't really hold water. Have you looked at portraits lately? Everyone already looks the same, and the less options each bloodline has, the more people will look the same.
I have and there's plenty of very good and different looking portraits. Although can't honestly say I like yours much at the moment.
Not all the items have made it into the game yet, I suspect it was a time issue. So it would be safe to assume in the future that we will be able to customise bloodlines/races further.
If the choice is make people have more choices now and lose race/bloodline identity.
Or wait so that they have more time to add more character customisation and keep bloodline/race identity seperate.
Then personally I'd rather wait.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:34:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Forum Guy
If the choice is make people have more choices now and lose race/bloodline identity.
We lost the majority of "race/bloodline identity" the moment our characters stopped looking like cartoonish charicatures and started looking like human beings.
What is so important about "race/bloodline identity" anyway?
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:35:00 -
[50]
OP should play a game more suited for his taste:
Linky
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Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character... |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:43:00 -
[51]
I'm so mad too!
Its like my avatar's picture has a meaningful effect on my in-game performance and other races get the adva.. Oh wait.
Nobody will miss you!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:49:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 22/01/2011 12:49:57
I was disappointed by the lack of accessories, tattoos, clothing and hair colour. Civire in particular apparently have NO fashion sense, but it's probably just as bad all over 
It seems they've forcibly added restrictions to each bloodline to make it so there's still some noticeable variety between them as well as ensuring that people can't make broken faces, but we've lost a lot of customisation in the process...
Still, as bad as it is, I don't think it's anything to (permanently) quit the game over; you'll get over it eventually  . (and hopefully CCP will fix this mess)
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:55:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Forum Guy
If the choice is make people have more choices now and lose race/bloodline identity.
We lost the majority of "race/bloodline identity" the moment our characters stopped looking like cartoonish charicatures and started looking like human beings.
What is so important about "race/bloodline identity" anyway?
Actually going from cartoonish to more real looking is not losing identity, if anything it's actually giving them more identity. If everyone made them look the same then yes there would be no individual identity as far as looks go, but that holds true to the old system too.
Sounds to me you might have some underlying racial issues. You have to be comfortable with the characters you play.
We are not going to go back to the old system and they won't just change it because you want them to.
So you really only have two choices:
1) accept it for what it is at the moment and see when new items/styles are added.
2) Do something else.
Assuming you are not just trolling of course.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:35:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Forum Guy
Actually going from cartoonish to more real looking is not losing identity, if anything it's actually giving them more identity.
As individuals. The massive, clearly-visible and frankly somewhat ridiculous distinctions between races and bloodlines have been done away with, and everyone now looks more similar than before, which is not neccesarily a bad thing. But giving us the correct tools to allow us to individually customise our character is important, and CCP haven't.
Originally by: Forum Guy
Sounds to me you might have some underlying racial issues.
Nice strawman, is your house fire-safe?
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:42:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Anne Arqui on 22/01/2011 13:43:57
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
What is so important about "race/bloodline identity" anyway?
They don't mean anything in the game (except for 1 starter skill and a corp management skill). EVE's lore and especially your decendance hasn't got any consequences in the game whatsoever.
I'll repeat myself;
"I didn't pick the old look for the bloodline, that bloodline just happened to have that look. Now I'm stuck with the bloodline but the possibility to have that certain look is gone." And given to another bloodline.
Bloodlines have limited options - and in my case it doesn't have the options I want, while other bloodlines have far more options to re-make my character in the spirit of how she used to look. And that annoys me to no end.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:45:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Anne Arqui
They don't mean anything in the game. EVE's lore and especially your decendance hasn't got any consequences in the game whatsoever.
I'll repeat myself;
"I didn't pick the old look for the bloodline, that bloodline just happened to have that look. Now I'm stuck with the bloodline but the possibility to have that certain look is gone."
Bloodlines have limited options - and in my case it doesn't have the options I want, while other bloodlines have far more options to re-make my character in the spirit of how she used to look. And that annoys me to no end.
I'll agree with pretty much all of this, but since I'm a roleplayer, the lore behind my bloodline actually has some meaning to me, so even in the unlikely event that CCP even allowed changing it, I wouldn't want to. I'd like the customisation options on my current bloodline expanded, and the same for everyone else's.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:05:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Nice strawman, is your house fire-safe?
I might be nice in general (more of a choice really) but I'm no pushover.
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Mina Hiragi
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:05:00 -
[58]
Am I wearing pants? Am I not wearing pants?
Nobody knows! Because clothing is pointless until ambulation arrives.
Also, I shall fight to the spacedeath to prevent hoods from ever falling into the hands of cheese-stinking Gallente. Hoods are the sole right and responsibility of true-blooded Amarrians. GOD WILLS IT.
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Tramadol Hydrochloride
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:07:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
BAW
Just go away.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:09:00 -
[60]
o/ good luck with whatever you are up to next.
/c
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Mehrune Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:13:00 -
[61]
I actually like the race-locked options, they add uniqueness to the bloodline you choose.
The only thing that I find mildly frustrating is that with the old character creator, you could make topless gallente females, but couldn't look down far enough to see their boobs. In the new character creator, you can look down far enough to see their boobs, but can't make them topless.
...CCP can be so cruel.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:14:00 -
[62]
You do realize these restrictions were in place with the old creator too, right?
Don't let the airlock hit you on the way out.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:17:00 -
[63]
I kind of understand the op he's got a point.The new cc is very limited.I was messing with the cc trying other races on an empty slot and I noticed that you get two pair pants to chose from.Two!?!
Not only that but none match any of the shirt colors you can use.
The long female hair styles look really bad and colors are very limited as one bloodline in caldari cant even pick black to hide the bugged out hair.
The shoes are very limited and colors are off again not matching pants or shirts really.The pictures show a different coler than you get as well.
Theres an aisian character in every race yet only one black character which is minmatar lol.What if your black and don't happen to be minmatar?
The limitations on bloodlines which no longer have an impact on the game just tops it off.This is something that bothers me too and if I hadn't been playing this game so long I'd quit too.In an rpg the looks of your character are very important to some.
The new cc is great but because of some dumb choices and limitations along with a few bugs,If I had to rate it it would get no more than 5/10 as is.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Dysphoric PodBoy
Crappiest reason evah.
10/10
This. I've seen some stupid reasons to quit over. The one the OP came with has got to be dumbest, most contrived, one I ever came across, though.
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Zuper Zpy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:21:00 -
[65]
I spent ages on the Character Creator and I can't find a look that represents how I feel my character should look. Although I have several accounts I feel related to each toon and in my imagination they each have a personality and accordingly should have a certain look.
My Pvp toon is a real evil piece of work and all this Character creator can do for Caldari is turn out pretty boys which is not the look that I'm after. I'm not enraged about it bt I am P'd off.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:21:00 -
[66]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/01/2011 14:19:03
I kind of understand the op he's got a point.The new cc is very limited.I was messing with the cc trying other races on an empty slot and I noticed that you get two pair of pants to chose from.Two!?!
Not only that but none match any of the shirt colors you can use.
The long female hair styles look really bad and colors are very limited as one bloodline in caldari can't even pick black to hide the bugged out hair.
The shoes are very limited and colors are off again not matching pants or shirt really.The pictures show a different coler than you get as well.
Theres an aisian character in every race yet only one black character which is minmatar lol.What if your black and don't happen to be minmatar?
The limitations on bloodlines which no longer have an impact on the game just tops it off.This is something that bothers me too and if I hadn't been playing this game so long I'd quit too.In an rpg the looks of your character are very important to some.
The new cc is great but because of some dumb choices and limitations along with a few bugs,If I had to rate it it would get no more than 5/10 as is.
Don't think anyone is saying it does not have limitations, but you have to remember it's still a work-in-progress.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:23:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/01/2011 14:23:37
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I've seen some stupid reasons to quit over. The one the OP came with has got to be dumbest, most contrived, one I ever came across, though.
*shrugs* I know there's people who wouldn't mind their avatar looking like a paper bag or a pile of secretion as long as they can shoot ships, that doesn't mean it has to be valid for every player.
EVE is still advertized as a MMORPG and RP and looks are important for the immersion for a lot of people.
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LaneHacker
Band of Freelancers
Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Pick your **** up and get the **** out you stupid bastard!!
0/10
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.22 14:31:00 -
[69]
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/01/2011 14:32:15
Originally by: LaneHacker
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Pick your **** up and get the **** out you stupid bastard!!
0/10
Yeah op you just might want to do that if you are the rp type of guy.In any case do not post in the forum because I have come to notice that 80% of the people playing this game are "Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz" like tis guy clearly shows by his name and attitude.The kind of stuff you wouldn't spit on if it was on fire.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:16:00 -
[70]
I really really want to say something snarky, but Syn was nice about this whole thing, so I'll restrain myself.
Personally, I think you're making a mistake. You obviously like the game if you've played for 6 years and while I understand that you're not happy about the whole "Now we're Mongolian" thing (trust me, I'm not all that excited about it myself), I don't know that you'll be happy with this decision you've made.
Be that as it may, good luck, Goddess bless you, and for the love of humanity don't biomass yourself, just in case.
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Josefius
Gallente
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:49:00 -
[71]
See you in a few months Mr. Entitled.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:02:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/01/2011 16:03:11
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Yes, I agree that its very sad that when CCP finally rolls out such a WONDERFUL new toy after so many years they are limiting it to our bloodline and sex. Its very sad since it have such HUGE potential. But we will see what Incarna will bring. I am very sure we will be able to tailor our character further - most likely for a fee - later on. So I guess thats what I will do.
Still, with my second recreation posibillity of my character, I think I have got an OK portrait, although it does not hold the qualities of my original portrait- which you can see here. or, in my signature!
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Josefius
Gallente
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:07:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Josefius on 22/01/2011 16:07:41
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/01/2011 16:03:11
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Yes, I agree that its very sad that when CCP finally rolls out such a WONDERFUL new toy after so many years they are limiting it to our bloodline and sex. Its very sad since it have such HUGE potential. But we will see what Incarna will bring. I am very sure we will be able to tailor our character further - most likely for a fee - later on. So I guess thats what I will do.
Still, with my second recreation posibillity of my character, I think I have got an OK portrait, although it does not hold the qualities of my original portrait- which you can see here. or, in my signature!
WTF are you talking about? Everyone can has the ability to get Brutor aviator sunglasses and dreadlocks. Are you guys on glue?
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:13:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Josefius
WTF are you talking about? Everyone can has the ability to get Brutor aviator sunglasses and dreadlocks. Are you guys on glue?
What's wrong with glue??
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Josefius
Gallente
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:21:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Josefius
WTF are you talking about? Everyone can has the ability to get Brutor aviator sunglasses and dreadlocks. Are you guys on glue?
What's wrong with glue??
Don't answer a question with a question, sugar lips.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Josefius
Edited by: Josefius on 22/01/2011 16:07:41
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/01/2011 16:03:11
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I had this whole big open letter planned out, but actually, it's not only not neccessary, but it would detract from the point I'm about to make.
After asking about the race-locked art assets via petition, I got this response:
Indeed some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines, and are not available for other bloodlines or races then. However, these restrictions are intended.
I think this is completely unfair. So I'm going to leave EVE Online. You can't have my stuff.
Sorry.
- Andreus Ixiris, October 2005 - January 2011
Yes, I agree that its very sad that when CCP finally rolls out such a WONDERFUL new toy after so many years they are limiting it to our bloodline and sex. Its very sad since it have such HUGE potential. But we will see what Incarna will bring. I am very sure we will be able to tailor our character further - most likely for a fee - later on. So I guess thats what I will do.
Still, with my second recreation posibillity of my character, I think I have got an OK portrait, although it does not hold the qualities of my original portrait- which you can see here. or, in my signature!
WTF are you talking about? Everyone can has the ability to get Brutor aviator sunglasses and dreadlocks. Are you guys on glue?
yessss.. glu is guud! it kiips me breinsells tugeter.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:25:00 -
[77]
only option I want with the new character creator: Wear some of the outerwear as a complete outfit for amarr.
It's already practically a full dress anyway...
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Servahtus
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:31:00 -
[78]
lol. come on now dude, leaving because of that? That's funny.
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Prince Damien
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:34:00 -
[79]
If it's that important, make a new character of the Bloodline with the clothes you want.
PS: Can I have your stuff. ^^
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:43:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I've seen some stupid reasons to quit over. The one the OP came with has got to be dumbest, most contrived, one I ever came across, though.
*shrugs* I know there's people who wouldn't mind their avatar looking like a paper bag or a pile of secretion as long as they can shoot ships, that doesn't mean it has to be valid for every player.
EVE is still advertized as a MMORPG and RP and looks are important for the immersion for a lot of people.
What on earth makes you think I don't care for the role playing aspect of EVE?! And I care a great deal about my looks! And I took painstaking efforts getting my Avatar right, thank you.
Leaving the game, however, because (quoting CCP) "some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines," is rather bizarre, though. In fact, having no racial limitations is what would go against true immersion! In that sense, I can only reiterate my statement about finding OP's reason for leaving highly contrived. Especially since racial differences in looks have existed since long before I even started this game.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:45:00 -
[81]
Nobody really quits. See you again when the station forecourts are selling nice shoes.
Join the Revolution!
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:00:00 -
[82]
Goodbye and good riddance
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:10:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I can only reiterate my statement about finding OP's reason for leaving highly contrived. Especially since racial differences in looks have existed since long before I even started this game.
Quite. The OP is essentially quitting because the game is now more like he wants it, and he doesn't like that the game is moving in a direction he likes.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:11:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 22/01/2011 17:12:08
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Leaving the game, however, because (quoting CCP) "some character options are limited to certain races or bloodlines," is rather bizarre, though. In fact, having no racial limitations is what would go against true immersion! In that sense, I can only reiterate my statement about finding OP's reason for leaving highly contrived. Especially since racial differences in looks have existed since long before I even started this game.
I don't think it's bizarre.
If CCP had only kept the same options for the same bloodlines most people wouldn't have problems with it. I think no-one would have objected to a "re-creating your character but in a more realistic way" thing.
The thing is that they changed some bloodlines beyond recognition and on top of that removed a lot of options from the bloodline that always had them, and for which people picked that bloodline in the first place. The fact is that some bloodlines have options they never had before and some lost options they always had. Differences are good - but not if you're stuck with options you didn't want when you picked your character the first time.
Perhaps it's not the case in your case or you may have found an agreeable alternative; well that's very nice for you. I just don't understand why you refuse to see that some people who didn't are very unhappy about this.
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Ms Evilena
Caldari
ORE-TECH
CERBERUS INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:41:00 -
[85]
Should CCP go ahead and make every races ship the same configuration and number of slots, power, CPU, turrets, special abilities, etc.
I never expected to be able to look like just any race or have the same face or hair as others. MMOs do it for diversity...no one wants to play a game where everyone dresses and looks the same...Maybe go play minecraft?
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:44:00 -
[86]
Oh look! I've found a dummy on the floor here. Whats all this about clothes? look at the charater pictures, can you tell me what they are wearing? Clothes will only be important once walking in stations become available and thats still filed under soonÖ so theirs plenty of time for CCP to expand on the excellent start they have made with this latest patch. Sure take a break, I've taken one and am now back playing eve.
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Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:50:00 -
[87]
If that is your reason for quitting, you probably would have done so anyway.
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:03:00 -
[88]
When I tried out the character creator on SISI, I was hugely disappointed in the lack of "quirkiness" in all the options - it's mostly "(gay) bikers in space" (as someone aptly put it). Not a quitting issue, but disappointing at the time.
I mean, when I first joined EVE, part of the initial imaginative thrill with the character creator was all the whacky stuff that spoke "strange s-f future" to me (weird clothing, accessories, obvious implants, tattoos, strange visors, etc.)
But now, on live, and on reflection, and after some playing about, I'm thinking what the hell, if EVE want to go for microtransactions on the extras, I'm happy with that. CCP are doing probably the best job of any indie MMO developers out there (I've been reminded of that by revisiting PotBS and FE recently - both great wee MMOs in their own ways, but still falling far short of CCP's standards of excellence).
So: as long as they do implement some more varied, characterful accessorizing in the (hopefully) near future, I'm actually quite happy to give them more money for tarting up my avatars, it's a pretty good deal really, all things considered. They're not my enemies, they're my friends, they've given me a lot of gaming pleasure in fair exchange for my dosh so far, and I'm happy to chuck an extra bob or two their way for a bit of fluff now and then.
*****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:10:00 -
[89]
Great...
So I can't have thick lips and a glazed vapid look unless I pick a dark skinned character?
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Pasmerktas
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:31:00 -
[90]
You are quiting the game out of this vanity bull****? i was thinking that people can quit when they have their beloved Nyx nerfed to frigate's capabilities, but now, the reason just makes me think that yould have probably quited anyways. Also CC is not finished yet, read the topics about it they will add loads of stuff later, now it's just BETA
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Grateler
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:43:00 -
[91]
Hey, if you believe that your avatar is the most important part of the game and that the fact your tiny picture in chat windows isnt exactly what you want I suggest you try out this game :
Great Game
You have complete control over everything, and none of that annoying spaceship game stuff!
Awesome!
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Chingyz
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.01.22 18:54:00 -
[92]
Haven't read the whole of this thread so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this: Could it be that more options for clothing customization will be available once walk in stations hits?
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Weesa Wanderstar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.22 19:26:00 -
[93]
Sorry, but that is a rather dumb reason to leave.
I also hated what the new character generator turned me into but, man, c'mon, it's just a portrait.
Grow a pair, get in the game and have fun!
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Los Quinton
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Posted - 2011.01.22 19:54:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Los Quinton on 22/01/2011 19:55:27
I can understand the OP concern...a little. It's not worth quitting over, but it did get to me. When I chose my Minmatar bloodline, I chose how I wanted to play it, but nothing on the list said that one bloodline was black, another white, and the other oriental. I chose Sebiestor because I wanted to be an inventor/scientist in the game. I had no idea that sebiestor were only of caucasian decent. Even my picture before the character revamp was of dark complextion.
I mean look at my pic now. Do I look like a scientist?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.23 01:40:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Weesa Wanderstar
Sorry, but that is a rather dumb reason to leave.
There's context.
Basically, in earlier versions of the character creator, the race-locks simply didn't exist. Every character could access every hairstyle and every piece of clothing, and not once was there a complaint about this. Then, as successive test builds rolled out, each bloodline had less and less freedom of choice as the race-locks began to creep in. Every time this happened, CCP was asked by me and other testers to remove them, but all CCP did was continue adding them, and not even acknowledging that they were there, or that there was any contention over them. Intaki used to have access to the "long, wavy" hairstyle, and then suddenly, one day, they didn't. Eventually I made a thread about this, strongly requesting the removal of race-locks, which got a lot of popular support, but CCP apparently didn't even read it. On the last day before release, they were again asked to remove the race-locks - they were also asked to delay the release of the character creator until such time as it was actually a finished product, which it is quite clearly not.
Then there came the release, where the race-locks were not only not gone, but actually even worse than they had been on the test server. I hoped against hope that this was simply a bug, but CCP have now confirmed that they did it on purpose, and they just don't care.
So basically where I am right now is this: people are saying "bawwww this is a stupid trivial reason to quit", but I ask you: if we can't trust them to make the character creator good, how the hell can we trust them to fix actual problems with EVE? Remember it took two years of basically the whole of EVE Online whining to get rockets fixed, and no-one even uses them.
Also, from the looks of things, Incursions are going to be as horribly broken as FW is, so not being around for that's going to be another blessing.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2011.01.23 01:47:00 -
[96]
The forums will be a better place without you.
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Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:14:00 -
[97]
Rather anticlimactic reason to quit. Hope you find a game you like.
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nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:21:00 -
[98]
heh, erm ok...
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Weesa Wanderstar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 03:02:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Weesa Wanderstar on 23/01/2011 03:02:24
Okay, Andreus, I may have come off a little rough by saying your reason was dumb, so I will start it off by saying sorry for using the dumb word.
After your second comment, I can see where you coming from, but you know, I'm on WoW too (no laughing, people), and this character creator is steps ahead what I have to put up with there. It need to be improved a lot, I know, and it needs the race-based pieces like the tattoos back. But I think it is workable for now, even if I ended up Asian when before I was not when I first joined in the summer.
In any case, if you do not change your mind about leaving, then, hey, hope you find what you are looking for. 2011 has some new MMOs coming out. |
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