And what's to stop us from fielding 300 heavy bombers?

Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.

Better, what stops bomber blobs?

Answer: a single dictor bubble and a single bomb

Yes because we would warp them in all at once all from the same angle

the counter to blobs is "make friends"

And what's to stop us from fielding 300 heavy bombers?

So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.


And a new class for Destroyers, Heavy Bomber.

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Role: -75% explosion radius

Racial Destroyer: 5% damage type bonus per level and -10% reactivation time per level.

Heavy Bomber bonus: 10% explosion velocity and 10% greater effect to Lockbreaker and Void Bombs.

This will make blobs more wary and balance the playing field.

Better, what stops bomber blobs?

Answer: a single dictor bubble and a single bomb

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Also, there could be bacon, free bacon that is. Maybe 1m3 bacon per pilot who was present in the target system?

re-introduce an AoE doomsday (besides the current one).

So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?

So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?

Also, there could be bacon, free bacon that is. Maybe 1m3 bacon per pilot who was present in the target system?

Trolling apart, it would be nice to be able to have an entire squad (ie 10 bombers) launch bombs without having to work out inter-bomb damage/covops levels etc.

I'm not generally in favour of dumbing Eve down but having to work out who has what level of covops etc is dumb. Squads of 6/7/8 bombers is a PITA.

Buff the bomb so you can launch 10 maxed out bombs without them blowing each other up. Would make things more fun.

It really isn't hard to just stick people into squads of 7, have each squad align in different directions, and wing warp them so the bombs all go in several shortly spaced waves.

Bombs

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.


And a new class for Destroyers, Heavy Bomber.

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Role: -75% explosion radius

Racial Destroyer: 5% damage type bonus per level and -10% reactivation time per level.

Heavy Bomber bonus: 10% explosion velocity and 10% greater effect to Lockbreaker and Void Bombs.

This will make blobs more wary and balance the playing field.

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.


And a new class for Destroyers, Heavy Bomber.

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Role: -75% explosion radius

Racial Destroyer: 5% damage type bonus per level and -10% reactivation time per level.

Heavy Bomber bonus: 10% explosion velocity and 10% greater effect to Lockbreaker and Void Bombs.

This will make blobs more wary and balance the playing field.

So they got rid of the titan doomsday and now you want them to add a destroyer that does a damn good impression of a doomsday from way back when? GREAT IDEA, that way the entire blob can just bring those and bomb anything that moves till there is nothing left.

No one ever really thinks these things through.

At least bombs are (slightly) restricted by the blowing-up-other-bombs mechanic. You want to just turn that off, welp imagine the possibilities. Bomber duels.

Stuff.

we need a T2 battleship hull with a range and damage bonus to smartbombs. Im thinking 20km range and 50% bonus, that should do it

In fact, is it still possible to "firewall" against missiles?[/i]

Terrible idea is terrible, funny though. The real solutions are splash damage from ships exploding and LoS firing.

Also, there could be bacon, free bacon that is. Maybe 1m3 bacon per pilot who was present in the target system?

My corp figured outhow to deal with blobs 6 years ago.

If you want to fight blobs just fit up a warp-to-0 smartbomb BS and watch the fireworks.

maybe against a frigate blob. Try that against drakes or BSes and let me know how that works out.

Does it involve blobbing even more?

I like that solution.

No no no.
You don't give players AOE, you punish them with AOE when they fail.

The larger the ship, the larger it explodes. A capital exploding should do significant damage to all ships within a radius.
It wont stop blobs but it would sure spread them out.

The more m3 of ammo and drones you have, the bigger the boom.

please tell me how "balanced" game design would allow a small number of dudes to decide fights involving hundreds or thousands

ok lets look at the logic.

in RL a bomber drops hundreds of bombs to hit bigger targets you wouldent send a fighter to take out a city for example.

bombers take out larger ships or larger forces etc

fighters are there to kill the bombers so just send in lots of small fast ships to wind their way into them or snipe from a greater distance ?

"These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs."

I stopped reading after this abortion of an idea. Eight bombs, jesus christ.
It would make gatecamping in nullsec INCREDIBLE, just grab three friends in these ******** heavy super ultra bombers and be able to destroy entire fleets on gates with minimal effort.

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.


And a new class for Destroyers, Heavy Bomber.

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Role: -75% explosion radius

Racial Destroyer: 5% damage type bonus per level and -10% reactivation time per level.

Heavy Bomber bonus: 10% explosion velocity and 10% greater effect to Lockbreaker and Void Bombs.

This will make blobs more wary and balance the playing field.

I've often thought that self-destruct should cause damage over a certain radius dependent on ship size.

It'd probably be abused to hell and back (a few ideas instantly occur to me) but I'd still like to see it.

I'd prefer to see SD dropping loot but causing damage to ships within the blast radius than current mechanics.

1m3 of Bacon...... Holy TasteBuds thats a lot of bacon.

I think i just drooled on my keyboard a little.

SD Suicide Ganks on the Jita Undock in 3... 2... wait, that happened 2 times in the first half hour of it going live? Oh...

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.

CCP should restore titans to there true power. I find it strange that they blast there main guns and only target captial ships.. Seriously CCP?

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

Shame on you CCP.

Wolf

Then they'd have to fix grids so "grid-fu" wasn't a factor. Oh and deal with a shedload more petitions of people alleging "grid-fu" to avoid AoE.

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

Good CCP fix this game. Make it proper.. No more excuses of this or that. Snap snap..

titans aren't useless sorry

They look pretty? But they lost there fire.... Large tin cans floating in space.. Make great musiem pieces for tourists to show off..

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=196492

This was 27 titans AoE DDing a carrier to death. Tell me why the game would be better if 27 titans can warp into a full fleet of carriers and kill them all by pressing a button.

yes just caps not subcaps.. you just proved my point.

Mmmm wouldn't be too hard to disallow SD or remove AoE damage in high-sec. There's already flags to prevent thing happening on other modules in high-sec.

It would probably get abused anyway but I like the idea of it. The implementation might be tricky

yeah uh entire capital fleets getting wiped out in one go by a few dudes is dumb as hell

please tell me how "balanced" game design would allow a small number of dudes to decide fights involving hundreds or thousands

Considering how goons have done this before... this is hypocritical..

"Goons have used AoE DDs and blap titans before, their opinions on these things are therefore irrelevant"

So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?

A more entertaining idea would be to have the unguided weapons do aoe equal to their current radius.
Would do little to a thinking enemy (Oh look this guy just warped to us, hey think fast)
But might just make approach FC press F1 not the best of plans.
Which is really what the complaints are about.
As small gangs and roams are far more fun to be in/fight against.

the counter to blobs is "make friends"

But surely having more friends enables larger blobs ..........

oh wait i see what u did there .....

t2 torps should do splash damage, jus sayin... not massive just some. it would wreak havoc with logi calls and give ships like the raven more viability

With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Bombs should be changed so that they can no longer be damaged, removing the limit of how many bombs your fleet can fire.


And a new class for Destroyers, Heavy Bomber.

These destroyers are paper thin but packs a punch with the ability to fit 8 bomb launchers and having special bonuses to bombs.

Role: -75% explosion radius

Racial Destroyer: 5% damage type bonus per level and -10% reactivation time per level.

Heavy Bomber bonus: 10% explosion velocity and 10% greater effect to Lockbreaker and Void Bombs.

This will make blobs more wary and balance the playing field.

The old doomsday weapons were the counter to blobs. But people cried about that. It makes sence that one ship isn't the key to victory, but still. Could have been kept if worked on a little more I think.

The old doomsday weapons were the counter to blobs. But people cried about that. It makes sence that one ship isn't the key to victory, but still. Could have been kept if worked on a little more I think.

The old doomsday weapons were the counter to blobs. But people cried about that. It makes sence that one ship isn't the key to victory, but still. Could have been kept if worked on a little more I think.

So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?