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Inir Ishtori
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Adivah
There is a session-based check to ensure that the vote you cast is verified against the choices you were just served.
Also, with most browsers, if you refresh the page without voting, you should see the same match-up again. Of course, you can find ways around this to keep getting new portraits, but it isn't easy to rig votes for one character without automating what we're doing manually on the site right now.
hmm, i use firefox with AdblockPlus and NoScript running the browser in privite mode right now and without cookies enabled. i can refresh the page as often as want - i always get new avatars to choose from. the only inconvience is the leaderboard which does not update itself so i need to refresh the page if i want to know who's the babe of the moment now.
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If my logs are to be believed, I've got some guy from Germany trying to crack this problem as we speak :) But, I take it as a kind of a compliment when people try to break the system. I can always take measures to reverse out the changes or reset scores if someone does break things completely.
i'm not sure what you mean by "crack this problem" but since i'm actually from germany i just hope i'm not that guy you mention 
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Originally by: Frank Cornelius
Also there is an obvious bias issue with the randomness of the selections in the first place. Certain characters appear to have an undue prominence in their frequency. There's over three thounsand entries, give some of the others a look in too.
It's a straight SELECT TOP 2, ORDER BY RAND() query. Purely random. Although, it might actually be better to have a more "random" pseudo random function pulling portraits, to ensure that newer entries get more exposure to get them up to speed.
Hope this answered some of your concerns!
i noticed some strange development in this regard: characters which appeared hours after i submitted mine - on the day your page went public - are about 100 votes above me. when i was sitting at 350 there were some already pushing to 500 and beyond. while my character got about 60 votes in 3 hours i saw several fresh ones created today getting about 100 votes in the same timeframe and actually pass me in total votes. it's quite strange imo.
oh and considering ideas and such: could you maybe make some sort of a diagram showing how characters from specific bloodlines compete among each other? maybe showing top 3 for every bloodline for each empire, then top 3 characters for each entire empire and finally top 3 for the whole eve universe - as an addition to the normal leaderboard right now.
i get a feeling that some bloodlines just canot really compete with others by design of the game(brutor women are quite "harsh beauties" for example) and this would help to alleviate this a little bit.
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Frank Cornelius
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:39:00 -
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Thanks for taking the time to reply, it is an enjoyable bit of fun and hopefully everyone feels they have a fair chance. Especially in light of the oppertunity to touch up any of the imperfections with the next downtime's do over.
Regarding refresh on the browser holding the existing choice, that simply doesn't work on Explorer, Firefox or the internal Chrome. As suggested, unfortunately it is entirely possible to repeatedly refresh to obtain particular selection. Maybe its cookie related.
I'll beg to differ on the logic of an ELO rating for these purposes, but simply on a normal distribution it's highly suspect that that a win/loss ratio of 5 or 10 to 1 is an expected outcome given sample size. You have the logs and hopefully that would/will shine a light on anything suspicious and time should, even out the some of the questionable voting extremes.
Rand functions, alas, they are never truely random, at best it's pseudo random and at worst it's a progression. The frequency of re-occurances suggests the latter rather than the former, but it's always a tricky thing to get right in code. Even attempting to force a random initial position can actually re-enforce a pattern occurance and it's entirely possible you are hostage to the underlining code.
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Cienna Daz
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:48:00 -
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Pick me! *waves*
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Jazmyn Stone
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Posted - 2011.01.28 02:13:00 -
[304]
" . . . could you look at my face when you say you love me!"
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Merrya
Minmatar
BlackWing Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.28 02:23:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Jazmyn Stone
" . . . could you look at my face when you say you love me!"
Huh? Did you say something Chestie Mc.Boobies?
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 02:25:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Jazmyn Stone
" . . . could you look at my face when you say you love me!"
thats weird, talking beubbies |
Adivah
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:34:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Inir Ishtori
could you maybe make some sort of a diagram showing how characters from specific bloodlines compete among each other? maybe showing top 3 for every bloodline for each empire, then top 3 characters for each entire empire and finally top 3 for the whole eve universe - as an addition to the normal leaderboard right now.
Excellent idea! I'm also curious. I'll do it this weekend :D
Originally by: Inir Ishtori
i use firefox with AdblockPlus and NoScript running the browser in privite mode right now and without cookies enabled. i can refresh the page as often as want - i always get new avatars to choose from.
Originally by: Frank Cornelius
As suggested, unfortunately it is entirely possible to repeatedly refresh to obtain particular selection. Maybe its cookie related.
Okay excellent, so lets run through this. No cookies means that every time you access the page, you'll be handed a new cookie and session ID which you promptly throw away. Unfortunately, this means that when you come back to submit your vote, the site says "who are you?" and you say "I'm someone new", so then your vote gets ignored. :/
So, its catch, either you get what you're handed and vote normally, or you choose to bypass the session by disabling your cookie, but then I can't know who you are, so I assume you're cheating and discard the vote.
As for the NoScript thing, that's fine. I've designed the site around Javascript, but if you don't have it, it will fall back to old-school links without fancy dynamic page loading. (Think gmail vs gmail classic.)
Originally by: Adivah
Originally by: Palpatine III
Every once in a while it seems to hang on "reload". Circles just go round and round. I have to refresh the page to clear it. Anyone else getting that?
Noted. Looks like some of my server threads are crashing occasionally and getting restarted, which is causing your request to be lost in the Aether. I'm working on a patch for this.
This is now fixed. Along with improved speed thanks to more memcached action.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
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Leeya Sater
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:30:00 -
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I've got 4 characters looking for me since I was submitted early today... literally hundreds of matches and I've never shown up. I think the random function needs to be more random as I seem to be getting largely the same characters over and over.
Other than that fact - and the need to be able to search for individual stats this pretty wild. I had thought that we'd need a Girls of Eve calendar but this is much better :)
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Palpatine III
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:36:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Adivah
Originally by: Adivah
Originally by: Palpatine III
Every once in a while it seems to hang on "reload". Circles just go round and round. I have to refresh the page to clear it. Anyone else getting that?
Noted. Looks like some of my server threads are crashing occasionally and getting restarted, which is causing your request to be lost in the Aether. I'm working on a patch for this.
This is now fixed. Along with improved speed thanks to more memcached action.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
Hey Adivah. This is still happening for me. I just tested it and I got two hangs in the last few minutes.
Cheers.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:42:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Laina Dahma
Thanks for all the feedback. We'll definitely develop a way to search for your favourite babes and see how they're doing soon. Our immediate priority though is to make sure the system is robust enough that it doesn't get broken again 
But it's all looking good at the moment, and is up and running again without major problems. So some of our future plans include:
1. Current secret project to make site more fun for in-game browsing
2. More intelligent way of filtering out men and blank portraits
3. Method of searching for specific babes to check position and stats
4. Possible future ability to create a personal gallery by logging in
5. Future loser-board and clearing of the losers off the server
I'd like to get some feedback from you guys about another issue: would it be better to have a "babe of the day", or a weekly winner? We're thinking of possibly having a competition at the end of each month between the daily winners - so one day of only voting for the top 30 or so. What do you think is the best format for winners?
Thanks again for all the comments and suggestions. I'm glad everyone's having fun 
Sounds good I think.
This is my idea, the Pageant should be split up into divisions or phases, such as:
Qualification,
Semi-Finals,
Finals,
Pageant,
let's say you have 3000 Female Portraits.
Qualification:
All 3000 portraits are viewed and voted on only once per client. When a specific portrait receives a specific amount of positive votes, say like 300 or something like that, that portrait is then taken out of rotation and placed into Semi-Finals.
Semi-Finals:
After 300 portraits make it into the semi-finals, you get to vote on just those 300 with the same rules, only 1 vote and viewing per portrait by the client, when the portrait again makes 300 positive votes, it's taken out of rotation and placed into the Finals.
Finals:
Only the top 30 portraits of the 300 semi-finals. The same rules apply to the 30 portraits again, only 1 vote and viewing per client. When a portrait receives another 300 positive votes, it's then taken out of rotation and placed into the Pageant.
Pageant:
Only 10 different portraits to vote on, again same rules, 300 positive votes, only 1 vote and viewing per client. Winner is taken out of rotation and Crowned 'Babe of New Eden'.
Depending on the amount of views and voting done, I figure this could be done every 3 or 4 days for a new contest, from Qualification to Pageant, so as to have another 10 portraits to vote on at the end of the month. Each 'Babe of New Eden' is taken out of rotation and is placed into this special contest to be held at the end of the month to be Crowned 'Super Babe of New Eden'.
There would be 12 Super Babes, 1 per month, who are all taken out of rotation and placed into another special contest to be held at the end of the year to be Crowned 'Ultra Babe of New Eden'.
Just think of the publicity, could make Calender's, photo spreads, isk, etc.
Awww, who am I kidding?
It's probably just a dumb idea.
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari
Rosa Alba
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.28 05:00:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 28/01/2011 05:06:24
Fun site, needs search option and whole ranking listing.
Given the limitations of the char gen currently, it is not surprising to see semi-clones of certain types of faces but every now and then you also find something that is unique, even if it isn`t perfect. Also some people managed to tune lighting so finely that their pictures are just really pleasant to look at.
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Sergara Darkthorn
Amarr
League Of Shadows.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:01:00 -
[312]
Is this the thread for cold hard stares?
no?
ok Sorry, I will be on my way
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Manufactorum
Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:23:00 -
[313]
Ok, which one of you sick bastards put me up there? You beat me to it 
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus
ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.28 10:59:00 -
[314]
Some suggestions:
After each vote, change the "wins" and "losses" to "number of votes" and "rank".
Find a way get around the fact that really good looking and really ugly characters have more votes than the average ones that just get the F5 tratment. Maybe set it so the top 10% of the voted people only are avilable in the selection pool 10% of the time and so on?
Also a leaderboard that show the total top 5100 as well as top 10 in each bloodline would be great.
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Brain Cramp
Raider's of the lost Underpants
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Posted - 2011.01.28 11:13:00 -
[315]
somebody needs to make a "hunks" of new eden page as well.....
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Yumi Mochizuki
Tainted Retribution
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:28:00 -
[316]
Awesome. I'm in the top few 
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Monteks
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:31:00 -
[317]
say what??
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:21:00 -
[318]
Just a suggestion - you might want to reset scores now that we were allowed to redo avatars again.
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Rasta Tattoo
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rasta Tattoo on 28/01/2011 14:37:36
Aside from all the voting/selection options that need to be tweaked I think there's a bevy of beauties on the site already.
Totally off topic, When I take a few minutes (okay hours) out of my day to have a look, I find myself making choices purely based on which of the two Avatars actually looks like a real human and not a plastic head. It's amazing to me the number of players that create their avatars can't actually recognize just how fake their creations look when they hit "finalize". I guess ultimately this is really an art contest. It reminds me of the 5yr old that brings home a "fridge pic" of their family and truly envision their portraits as realistic or the American Idol contestant that believes they can actually sing.
Rasta
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Jisu Viscera
Minmatar
Setenta Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:45:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Jisu Viscera on 28/01/2011 14:47:40
I think the current system is a little faulty. Most of the problems have been mentioned already, but the two problems that stick out the most for me is;
1. Not being able to search for my portrait, or another specific portrait.
and
2. The complete "randomness" of who gets placed up against who. Technically, one person could be placed against really tough competition, and another person could be placed against not-so-tough competition - thereby resulting in more or less votes depending on how "lucky" you are to be placed against certain people. Basically, the current system is just about as much to do with luck as actually being a well-generated character.
Instead, I think you should randomly be given a picture to rate on a scale of 1-10 -once-, that way it is fair for everyone. This would also clean up the apparently "not-so-random" generation of people to vote on. I have seen quite a few people multiple times and there are nearly 4000 portraits entered.
I also find myself randomly clicking through portraits just to see if I get mine for once, so there is that problem too.
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Stormcrow Kuhal
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:06:00 -
[321]
Newsflash. Big boobs do not equal beautiful woman. Some of these 'chicks' are real uhg lee. Really ugly. Makes me wonder what your idea of the perfect woman is. I guess a dog's rear end would look good to some of ya's. |
Shasz
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:09:00 -
[322]
Minor request for improvement:
Leave the character name visible after voting by its scores. I prefer *not* to know the name before I judge the beauty, and by the time I'm ready to click... the names are disappearing.
... and +1 for the search function.
As for the randomness - perhaps use a normal distribution based on # of total votes to get new portraits up to speed faster?
Or, perhaps use a matching system to predetermine matchups randomly all at once (split the list in 2, sort each by random, pair them up), and then let every visitor work their way down that list in order. Once you get to the bottom of the list, recreate the random matchup list and work through it again.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:10:00 -
[323]
This is a boring and endless way to rate portraits. Why not give a 1-10 rating?
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:46:00 -
[324]
Guess nobody liked my idea.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1455979&page=11#310
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Stormcrow Kuhal
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:59:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
This is a boring and endless way to rate portraits. Why not give a 1-10 rating?
Especially when it gets stuck on loading loading loading loading loading.
Screw that. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:02:00 -
[326]
Ok...I added myself for the fun of it.
[21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C. |
Free Yourself
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:14:00 -
[327]
Added Myself
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.28 20:34:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Stormcrow Kuhal
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
This is a boring and endless way to rate portraits. Why not give a 1-10 rating?
Especially when it gets stuck on loading loading loading loading loading.
Screw that.
...this.
[21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C. |
Palpatine III
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.28 20:42:00 -
[329]
Is it just coincidence that I often get similar pictures matched up together? Like maybe same coloured hair, or same hair style, with shades. Or is it that after looking at a few hundred of these things, they all kind of blend together. LOL
I don't see how you could match up similar pictures though, so it must be coincidence.
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Merrya
Minmatar
BlackWing Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.28 21:33:00 -
[330]
I wonder how my new avatar will do, something tells me Not as well =\
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