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Irani Firecam Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.01.30 03:13:00 - [421] The rating system is far too volatile right now, you can be in the top 10, then #700 a few minutes later, and then bounce around.
Venta Vendita Gallente North American Euro Space Agency	Posted - 2011.01.30 05:10:00 - [422] lol sucks when you have no choice but to pick one and they are both FUBAR portraits.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.01.30 09:07:00 - [423] Originally by: Venta Vendita Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:50:18 Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:17:26 lol sucks when you have no choice but to pick one and they are both butt ugly portraits. You should eliminate the ones that have horrible records. like 26 wins to 464 losses <--- she obviously FUBAR Damnit...cast 300+ votes just to see the stats on my babe...and it hasn't even come up. We need a search function to bring up any characters stats. Yeah, I wanna see how I'm doing Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Venta Vendita Gallente North American Euro Space Agency	Posted - 2011.01.30 09:31:00 - [424] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Originally by: Venta Vendita Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:50:18 Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:17:26 lol sucks when you have no choice but to pick one and they are both butt ugly portraits. You should eliminate the ones that have horrible records. like 26 wins to 464 losses <--- she obviously FUBAR Damnit...cast 300+ votes just to see the stats on my babe...and it hasn't even come up. We need a search function to bring up any characters stats. Yeah, I wanna see how I'm doing Well if's that is the character you entered...i'm sure your on the leaderboard =D
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.30 09:36:00 - [425] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Originally by: Venta Vendita Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:50:18 Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:17:26 lol sucks when you have no choice but to pick one and they are both butt ugly portraits. You should eliminate the ones that have horrible records. like 26 wins to 464 losses <--- she obviously FUBAR Damnit...cast 300+ votes just to see the stats on my babe...and it hasn't even come up. We need a search function to bring up any characters stats. Yeah, I wanna see how I'm doing click your forum pic, then copy and past the last number in the profile (here is yours)
Lavidea Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.30 09:49:00 - [426] Cool
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.30 10:24:00 - [427] 2,000 matches (aka 4,000 characters) and still haven't seen any of my 2 characters. I've seen some GUY portraits like 10 times (nevermind the leaderboard ones, "plague" is the go word with them), and yet my 2 submissions didn't show at all despite they're there since Day 1. And I can't check wether they've got any vote at all, actually. I'm quite upset at my own foolishness for voting so much to get such a poor outcome. ADIVAH, IMO this doesn't looks like stuff well done, and not even a mile away from being well done.
Emma Hewitt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.01.30 10:29:00 - [428] It is still in beta. Im sure many features will come out soon. I did the same thing voting hundreds of times and not see my chars once although i've seen leaderboard chars multiple times. i've seen males! i've seen empty portraits. I've voted on the same character many times. This is not fair since some characters are getting voted on many times and other characters have yet to be seen. I know there are thousands of portraits but if you plan on making a 'pageant' out of this then its only fair to be fair. Also YES someone needs to make a male version of this site!
Emma Hewitt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.01.30 10:32:00 - [429] Originally by: Noun Verber Originally by: Alotta Baggage Originally by: Venta Vendita Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:50:18 Edited by: Venta Vendita on 30/01/2011 05:17:26 lol sucks when you have no choice but to pick one and they are both butt ugly portraits. You should eliminate the ones that have horrible records. like 26 wins to 464 losses <--- she obviously FUBAR Dammit...cast 300+ votes just to see the stats on my babe...and it hasn't even come up. We need a search function to bring up any characters stats. Yeah, I wanna see how I'm doing click your forum pic, then copy and past the last number in the profile (here is yours) Awesome tip! thanks for the info...sad thing is only the top 200 characters can have their profile brought up, so if your not in the top 200 you CAN'T even see your current stats.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.01.30 11:55:00 - [430] Originally by: Auliliae Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Until you come up with a more fair and just system of voting, I personally think it's just a waste of time. We're rating faces of imaginary women. I'm not sure there's any way to avoid it being a waste of time. DUHHHH, no sheit. Funny how you conveniently take that one statement and quote it completely out of context, especially since you left out the first part of my reply which explained how to make this so called contest a bit more fair, which I'll repost just for you. ---------- The way the voting is done is flawed, I have seen quite a few portraits keep repeating. This gives them a much higher chance of being a leader with more positive votes. You should only view 1 portrait at a time shown in 512 size with 2 buttons below it, 'HOT' and 'NOT'. The portrait should have no name or rank listed and should only appear once. As it is now, the whole system of putting 2 portraits up against each other in a random manner isn't working, some portraits get voted on a lot more than others, also the ranking sys is flawed. How can a portrait that's not even been viewed for 1 day of voting be ranked #1. Until you come up with a more fair and just system of voting, I personally think it's just a waste of time. ---------- Add to this my previous idea, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1455979&page=11#310, and you'll have a fun and fair contest.

TheBusinessWoman	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:45:00 - [431] EVE Id not found
Mizunashi Akari Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:53:00 - [432] yea, a search function would be nice :/
Anna Pelaeon	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:57:00 - [433] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson The way the voting is done is flawed, I have seen quite a few portraits keep repeating. This gives them a much higher chance of being a leader with more positive votes. So very much this. I see the same faces over and over again with the odd pic I've never seen before thrown in now and again. And I haven't seen this character for 2 days.
Jorgan Niklow	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:59:00 - [434] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Originally by: Auliliae Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Until you come up with a more fair and just system of voting, I personally think it's just a waste of time. We're rating faces of imaginary women. I'm not sure there's any way to avoid it being a waste of time. DUHHHH, no sheit. Funny how you conveniently take that one statement and quote it completely out of context, especially since you left out the first part of my reply which explained how to make this so called contest a bit more fair, which I'll repost just for you. ---------- The way the voting is done is flawed, I have seen quite a few portraits keep repeating. This gives them a much higher chance of being a leader with more positive votes. You should only view 1 portrait at a time shown in 512 size with 2 buttons below it, 'HOT' and 'NOT'. The portrait should have no name or rank listed and should only appear once. As it is now, the whole system of putting 2 portraits up against each other in a random manner isn't working, some portraits get voted on a lot more than others, also the ranking sys is flawed. How can a portrait that's not even been viewed for 1 day of voting be ranked #1. Until you come up with a more fair and just system of voting, I personally think it's just a waste of time. ---------- Add to this my previous idea, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1455979&page=11#310, and you'll have a fun and fair contest. I don't know how the site works or if there still/was a method to vote over and over for the same matches, someone alluded to that earlier I think, but unless that has been taken care of once and for all you ideas in the linked thread won't mean much. Otherwise I agree with what you are saying, names shouldn't be shown until after voting if at all on the match screen, perhaps only show it when searched for by name/id# on their 'stat' page. I've seen several 'known' characters get win/loss ratios that don't 'match' their portraits especially when compared to the near constant visages from the leaderboard that show the depiction of voters 'liked/hot' portraits. TIP for people your character likely isn't going to do well or make the leaderboard unless it is Asian/Caucasian, fae/sprite/petite/porcelain skin looking 'doll' and doesn't have corn roll/dread/braids which are pretty much universally 'hated' as are dark skinned characters. One last thing though, the whole venture is AFAIK a waste of time, especially useful for now and then when I'm waiting to jump/in warp/etc. Though I admit voting for the seemingly the same pool of people over and over takes the entertainment/diversion 'fun' factor out of it.
Kerri Desdemonia	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:03:00 - [435] Thanks for this! Yes: Even more addictive then spinning ships!
Amber Volakis	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:19:00 - [436] Nice idea. I'm in.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:41:00 - [437] One way to make the ranking a bit less spasmic would be to do it similar to the good old bubble sort algorithm: The two portraits compared are ranked next to each other, if the lower ranked ones win they change places, if the higher one wins nothing happens. If you vote neither then the one ranked below both will be moved up. You can still use the randomizer to pick which pair is compared but it won't have as much effect as it does now. Also new entrants should end up in the middle of the list and not start from the bottom. The only drawback with this is that it can take a while for new stunning entries to reach the top, but why should they end up there in only 10 lucky votes to start with?
Kerri Desdemonia	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:51:00 - [438] Originally by: Jorgan Niklow TIP for people your character likely isn't going to do well or make the leaderboard unless it is Asian/Caucasian, fae/sprite/petite/porcelain skin looking 'doll' and doesn't have corn roll/dread/braids which are pretty much universally 'hated' as are dark skinned characters. People vote for what they like - why so bitter about it? God(s) save us from the PC crowd on a PC game!
Frank Cornelius	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:55:00 - [439] I'm now playing a new game on the site it's called "Always pick the fugly (Unless it's a Corp member or friend of course)ö Please, can we ditch this pretentious ELO based leaderboard. In this context, it is just utter nonsense masquerading as pseudo science. "Beauty" is subjective, not objective, it is certainly not a skill or talent and cannot be contrived into any legitimate formula, let alone a ranking system. It may be less "attractive" to use a raw win/loss ratio but at least it's simple and clearly understandable to all. So, please dump the ELO tosh, restore the fuglies, heck keep the men and everyone voting, try to be a bit more open about "beauty". My personal favs were "Yo Mama" and "Warp to 0" which I'm assuming have now been purged as part of the anti-fugly pogrom.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:16:00 - [440] Originally by: Frank Cornelius I'm now playing a new game on the site it's called "Always pick the fugly (Unless it's a Corp member or friend of course)ö Please, can we ditch this pretentious ELO based leaderboard. In this context, it is just utter nonsense masquerading as pseudo science. "Beauty" is subjective, not objective, it is certainly not a skill or talent and cannot be contrived into any legitimate formula, let alone a ranking system. It may be less "attractive" to use a raw win/loss ratio but at least it's simple and clearly understandable to all. So, please dump the ELO tosh, restore the fuglies, heck keep the men and everyone voting, try to be a bit more open about "beauty". My personal favs were "Yo Mama" and "Warp to 0" which I'm assuming have now been purged as part of the anti-fugly pogrom. It seems pretty accurate. Invariably those I picked as most attractive had ratings that matched my expectations and those avatars that really stand out like: Have ranks you would expect to see rather then arbitrary numbers. While its true that people have quirks and preferences that are not all similar, there are certain basic preferences that can be expressed in math, that we are born with and that are quantifiable. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

Crystal Avalon	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:24:00 - [441] Originally by: Infinity Ziona It seems pretty accurate. Invariably those I picked as most attractive had ratings that matched my expectations and those avatars that really stand out like: Have ranks you would expect to see rather then arbitrary numbers. Except her rank is arbitrary atm (#544) and should be much higher (well, lower number).
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:41:00 - [442] Edited by: Chinwe Rhei on 30/01/2011 15:42:01 Stop being so bitter guys. This is a fun past time and the "combat" between the hot (or not) alts is the whole point, the site wouldn't be half as fun if we just gave each babe a score.
Relshar	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:03:00 - [443] Originally by: Leeya Sater 500 votes just today and still I have never shown up.... Yeh same done over 700 votes today and not once have i seen a picture of either of my charatcers.
Muna Kea	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:11:00 - [444] Originally by: Relshar Originally by: Leeya Sater 500 votes just today and still I have never shown up.... Yeh same done over 700 votes today and not once have i seen a picture of either of my charatcers. So you voted 700 times in a group of 4,500 pictures and you are surprised you didn't show up. I'd be surprised if you did.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Sleeping Fury	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:14:00 - [445] Ranking system is a bit weird, I keep jumping between 11th and 800th place
Zyx Shewma	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:25:00 - [446] Originally by: Muna Kea Originally by: Relshar Originally by: Leeya Sater 500 votes just today and still I have never shown up.... Yeh same done over 700 votes today and not once have i seen a picture of either of my charatcers. So you voted 700 times in a group of 4,500 pictures and you are surprised you didn't show up. I'd be surprised if you did. Good point. Those of you complaining about never seeing your portrait need to read the definition of 'Random'.
Frank Cornelius	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:36:00 - [447] Comparing A against B is about one thing, personal preference. It's not maths or science, it's historical, regional, racial or any other number of arbitary factors that determine why You pick A over B. Doesn't mean I or anyone else should or would, or that there is any conclusion that can be drawn from it, other than You chose A and I may have chosen B. Neither does it imply that given the same circumstance or even a similar one, we make the same choices. So any kind of ranking system that tries to generate fantasy relationships and draw inferences is barking up the wrong tree. The raw figures tell one story, this "ELO" method imposes another and it's couterproductive, confusing and prone to endless chaotic swings. There are lies, damn lies and statistics. The US military had an AI package built to spot tanks. In trials it worked flawlessly. When it came to spotting tanks in the field it failed miserably. The reason, all the trial pictures were of tanks in woods. The system liked trees, not tanks.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:46:00 - [448] Originally by: Zyx Shewma Originally by: Muna Kea Originally by: Relshar Originally by: Leeya Sater 500 votes just today and still I have never shown up.... Yeh same done over 700 votes today and not once have i seen a picture of either of my charatcers. So you voted 700 times in a group of 4,500 pictures and you are surprised you didn't show up. I'd be surprised if you did. Good point. Those of you complaining about never seeing your portrait need to read the definition of 'Random'. 2,000 clicks = 4,000 characters, 2 characters in, never have seen none of mine. Never mind there where only 1,400 character when I posted mine. Very "random" it is, yes. And I am the most unfortunate guy in the game, too. OTOH, if iy is truely random, then it means any character entering now has got only 1 chance in 4,000 to score each time a user queries the web... I would call that "to die from its own success", simply the would be too many contenders to even try to unless they where split into cathegories and user had to pick one from each cathegory... One match with people whose total matches was lower than 10% the total characters; another with people whose total matches where les than 20% of total characters; an this way up an up until the final match, able to enter leaderboard, was between people whose total matches were 100% of the total characters. (I.e., say there are 4,000 characters, then user should pick between two characters with less than 40 matches, another pick between two chars with less than 200 matches, another from the cathegory with less than 400 matches, et cetera, and leaderboard would be drawn from people who had at least 4,000 matches).
Meryn Song	Posted - 2011.01.30 17:23:00 - [449] Edited by: Meryn Song on 30/01/2011 17:23:55 Interesting that gratuitous boobage seems to be being punished by the voters. Also: blind eyes and most sunglasses. Someone already added me; I wonder how long I have to click until I see my scores. ARGH.
Deakin Frost Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.30 17:58:00 - [450] Not entirely sure whether pitting two random portraits against each other is a good way to measure things. I figure a simple regular 1-10 scale a la Hot or Not would work better.



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