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Comy 1 Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2011.01.26 15:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Floydd Heywood What about range? I've heard corpmates report that some Sanshas stay 120+ km away. Are those in every site? How many? Do you suggest a mix of long-range and short-range fits for the fleet? Or is one ship with beams/arty enough? I never had much use for beams until now, but thought about fitting an Armageddon with Beam Lasers for this. That won't happend until you hit assault or Headquarters. In the Vanguard sites they are all close range, except for 1 type of cruiser (that you don't HAVE to kill for the objective) that orbits at 60km
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.01.26 15:41:00 - [32] Good to know, thanks. Will stick to pulses then. Scorch can hit quite well at 60 km when using a tracking link.
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.01.26 16:36:00 - [33] "Could anyone who's done a few sites comment on this notion? Crap or worth-while?" we did a vanguard site last night and our ewar scorpions were by far the most popular target. 2nd most popular was drones for some weird ass reason so if the damnation was the only thing doing ewar i'm sure it'd attract more than its fair share of attention
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:20:00 - [34] If sleeper AI is any indication, ECM draws more aggro than anything else. Not all Ewar is the same, e.g. they don't give a damn about webs. I never noticed any particular effect on aggro by painting either.
Rezard Minmatar Fornax Chemica	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:33:00 - [35] I totally support this advices, my corpmate and I managed to survive in drakes, but we watch navy ships pop like in 15 seconds even with some support, considering bringing HAC's with logistics. -- I've seen things you podpilots wouldn't believe. Faction ships on fire off the shoulder of Algintal. I've watched Banshee Torpedo's glitter in the dark near the Parchanier Gate. All those... moments will be lost in time... like... carebear tears... in rain Time to Patch.
Female Face	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Floydd Heywood If sleeper AI is any indication, ECM draws more aggro than anything else. Not all Ewar is the same, e.g. they don't give a damn about webs. I never noticed any particular effect on aggro by painting either. In the fleet Op is referring to i was the cane pilot, in the first few vanguard sites i was using 1 web and drew aggro very rarely, however when i changed to a duel web fit i definitly drew more aggro so i dont agree that they ignore webs
Dueling Chainsaws Caldari The Dominion of Light	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:12:00 - [37] At what range do they start ECM'ing? --- I'm pretty sure that cucumbers are not a structurally sound building material for castles, particularly if the base is submerged in cranberry juice.
Alena Redruth Viral Target	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:57:00 - [38] Edited by: Alena Redruth on 26/01/2011 23:02:46 Edited by: Alena Redruth on 26/01/2011 23:00:15 OP is right on the money, if you dont know how to fit properly go to battlecinic and look up what people use in wormholes as its pretty similar combat. And if you show up and ask in the incursion channel "Where is the fight?" or "How do i find Sansha?" Please go dock somewhere, read the dev blogs, and get a properly fitted ship before you do anything. theres a couple thousand losses from the algintal constellation already, im guessing a good 20% at least are passive drakes. (Last night in alginatal incursion channel) CCP TomB - guys, here's a tip CCP TomB - do it well instead of sucking
Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2011.01.27 07:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Rezard I've seen things you podpilots wouldn't believe. Faction ships on fire off the shoulder of Algintal. I've watched Banshee Torpedo's glitter in the dark near the Parchanier Gate. All those... moments will be lost in time... like... carebear tears... in rain Time to Patch. I SO am going to steal that quote . Great quote, great movie, and so beautifully adapted to the current EVE situation One thing that popped into my mind while reading this thread: just because you are in a big fleet it does not mean you'll survive everything. Stay out of HQ systems until you've got the hang of it. On SiSi we've tried HQ sites and lost BS despite them being repped by two Logistics (I guess our repping cycles were wrong). We've lost Logistics to alpha strikes before they even knew they've been targeted.
Gerard Gendri Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.27 13:38:00 - [40] Edited by: Gerard Gendri on 27/01/2011 13:38:45 Hahaha empire pubbies. Say what you like about nullsec, it actually makes you slightly competent at EVE. I was with a Dreddit gang that ran an assault incursion with a dozen drakes, 3 basilisks, 1 scimitar and a hurricane yesterday. **** is boring and not much of a challenge at all compared to real 0.0 combat.

Jonni Favorite Red Slice Enterprise The Company LLC	Posted - 2011.01.27 17:39:00 - [41] Originally by: Gerard Gendri Edited by: Gerard Gendri on 27/01/2011 13:38:45 Hahaha empire pubbies. Say what you like about nullsec, it actually makes you slightly competent at EVE. I was with a Dreddit gang that ran an assault incursion with a dozen drakes, 3 basilisks, 1 scimitar and a hurricane yesterday. **** is boring and not much of a challenge at all compared to real 0.0 combat. I was waiting for the go back to Wow comment, thanks for sparing us The way I see it, Incursions is an excellent way for novices and empire people that are unfamiliar with fleet warfare to get their feet wet and if they like it, despite heavy initial casualties, learn how to work together and eventually progress to 0.0 combat. Meanwhile if you're in nullsec, they are a new isk farm and another potential point of conflict with other alliances.
Darth Zaruln	Posted - 2011.01.27 18:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Gerard Gendri Edited by: Gerard Gendri on 27/01/2011 13:38:45 I take this game way too seriously and love letting people know. I am a null sec pubbie.
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.01.28 01:55:00 - [43] Finally had time to check this out today, did one vanguard site with my corp. Just in time to contribute a little to the first successfully repelled incursion We had 12 pilots... well that were the people that were available and at 12 the payout is still ok, considering this was a test. It was the first try for all of us but thanks to our knowledge (obtained from threads like this and other people's horrible deaths ) and prior pvp experience we did quite well û didn't lose anything except one cheap hacking frig. I piloted an Oneiros and an Abaddon. I was a bit worried about the Oneiros because of low buffer but it was more than enough. Abaddon was even smoother, even if I had most aggro there was plenty of time for our logis to switch target. Three of our ships almost popped, one survived with ~10% hull. It turned out that they had bad resists, like three resists 70+ but explosive only 50%. Well, I think their pilots have learned the lesson. We took too long though because we lacked webs (as I pointed out before we started). Next time we'll bring a Minmatar Recon and maybe a Paladin, then Vanguard sites should be a walk in the park. Today we didn't even have a command ship because the pilot was needed in a logi.
Genera Prophet	Posted - 2011.01.28 02:46:00 - [44] OK, so, let me get this straight... correct me if I'm wrong: 1) Blame noobs and carebears because you uber-experienced leet PVPers can't be bothered to share any info 2) Blame fits because... well, same reason as #1 3) If you can't fly T2 EFFECTIVELY with max skills, **** off 4) FCs are completely blameless 5) Don't accept people in your fleet who have never been in one before. Sweet. Thanks for the tips! Glad to see so many who think everyone isn't playing Eve the way they should are strengthening the private club even more. :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.28 02:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Genera Prophet 1) Blame noobs and carebears because you uber-experienced leet PVPers can't be bothered to share any info Nope. This information has been public knowledge for two years, at least. Quote: 2) Blame fits because... well, same reason as #1 àand thus wrong for the same reason. Quote: 3) If you can't fly T2 EFFECTIVELY with max skills, ** off Nope ù straw man. It's rather the opposite: unlike standard missions, where people generally want to max things out, you can go with a specialist ship and get by even with a rather restricted skillset. Also, T2 is not needed (although some specialist ships are T2 and they make life a lot easier). Quote: 4) FCs are completely blameless Nope. Straw man. Quote:** 5) Don't accept people in your fleet who have never been in one before. Nope. Straw man. However, until (if) they make changes to the GCC redistribution mechanics, you should be a bit wary of accepting people you don't know into your fleet. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Comy 1 Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2011.01.28 03:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Genera Prophet OK, so, let me get this straight... correct me if I'm wrong: 1) Blame noobs and carebears because you uber-experienced leet PVPers can't be bothered to share any info 2) Blame fits because... well, same reason as #1 3) If you can't fly T2 EFFECTIVELY with max skills, **** off 4) FCs are completely blameless 5) Don't accept people in your fleet who have never been in one before. Sweet. Thanks for the tips! Glad to see so many who think everyone isn't playing Eve the way they should are strengthening the private club even more. :) Thank you for proving why this thread is needed.
Genera Prophet	Posted - 2011.01.28 03:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Comy 1 Thank you for proving why this thread is needed. Glad to provide clarity after your whining wall o' text.
Trinkets friend	Posted - 2011.01.28 03:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Genera Prophet 1) No one held my hand and I didn't join EVE Uni or a noob-friendly corp, nor did I read the Dev Blogs or go onto SiSi or read the forum posts. Waah. 2) Warp core stabs fix everything, amirite? 3) Bawww I don't have 70M SP's and if I do I bought my toon and now want my money back 4) "What means primary?" "What's a fleet window?" "I stabbed F1 at everything why are we CONCORDOKKENED?" 5) "My rattlesnake can tank anything, amirite?" Fixed.
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.28 07:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Genera Prophet Sweet. Thanks for the tips! Glad to see so many who think everyone isn't playing Eve the way they should are strengthening the private club even more. :) This is the kind of post you make after years of single-player EVE. Show me where on the doll I can have your stuff before you go back to WoW.
Gavin Darklighter Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.28 08:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Genera Prophet OK, so, let me get this straight... correct me if I'm wrong: 1) Blame noobs and carebears because you uber-experienced leet PVPers can't be bothered to share any info 2) Blame fits because... well, same reason as #1 3) If you can't fly T2 EFFECTIVELY with max skills, **** off 4) FCs are completely blameless 5) Don't accept people in your fleet who have never been in one before. Sweet. Thanks for the tips! Glad to see so many who think everyone isn't playing Eve the way they should are strengthening the private club even more. :) This is high end content. If you can't handle it, go back to your level three missions. signature picture exceeds the size limit.~WeatherMan

ArchenTheGreat Caldari Nomads of Zen	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:01:00 - [51] Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 28/01/2011 13:01:38 Years ago when you were in gang (this is how fleets were called back then) you could safely shoot gang members. Unfortunately too many carebears died to griefers and they whined too laudly. So, CCP changed rules and now you can't shoot gang members. CCP, maybe it's time to revert those changes?
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:12:00 - [52] Edited by: Malcanis on 28/01/2011 13:14:22 Originally by: Mad Yojik Btw I'm curious - do Caldari HACs cut here,or just Min and Amarr (I know thare is saying "Caldari ships suck", but these are only ships of that sort I'll be able to fly soon) Caldari HACs tend to have a large sig radius, and not that many EHP, which makes them vulnerable to getting alpha'd. If you fly smart and bring your cerb in after the rats have aggro'd on the heavy ships, you could be very useful, but to be honest you're better off bringing a Drake, with it's big shield buffer, extra midslot and good omni resists, plus it does more DPS and has drones. I wouldn't bother with an Eagle. EDIT: A Nighthawk would be an excellent ship to bring though: Very good tank, decent DPS, good vs small targets. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Veryez	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Dueling Chainsaws At what range do they start ECM'ing? I've been ecm'ed by a frigate at 107k. Hit by a cruiser at 250+k. And I can second that sansha's have a deep love for ecm Scorps, even ones with a heavy tank and only a few ecm mods. Don't think they bothered with our logistic much at all
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:03:00 - [54] General Prophet you sound bitter and resentful that some people are better at the game than you. You complain about lack of information about how to play the game well despite its abundance. Then you complain that better players are trying to force noobs to behave in specific ways. So are they force feeding you the information or hiding it from you?
Comy 1 Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:26:00 - [55] Originally by: Genera Prophet Originally by: Comy 1 Thank you for proving why this thread is needed. Glad to provide clarity after your whining wall o' text. Try reading the thread again, and then read your own posts. I can however confirm that I get secret newsletters from CCP with all info about the game that NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER SEEN. This gives me the edge I need to act like an ass on the forums. I mean the sole purpose of this thread is to gloat about my superior knowledge gained through unfair advantages. Take your head out of your own butt and actually read my OP without crying since you feel offended by the title. The information you need to successfully be better at this game is in there. The same information you could have obtained yourself by doing the same kind of testing on the live server as me and many others did. But if you want to keep being bitter, thinking life is unfair because god forbid someone actually share his experience to help others then please do so. But refrain from ****ting up my thread. Adios
Karl Reese Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.28 17:09:00 - [56] I don't know the ship composition of heavier sites, but in vanguard almost everything is a fast frig. Even with webs, HMLs are the best medium weapon to use in vanguard sites because of sig radius. I wouldn't even bother taking BS sized weapons into vanguards because the sansha spawn so close that you don't get much of a chance to shoot most of them at low transversal, and their sig radius is tiny. That said, if you do take battleships, take armor battleships. Everybody should bring a tracking computer and a target painter. So basically, 8 drakes with some optional RR and cap transfer and 2 basilisks will be enough. If by some random coincidence the sansha actually neut a basi and then ECM the other one (cause you know the AI wouldn't do something like that on purpose : / ) then it would be helpful to have a backup plan like RR/cap transfer on the drakes or a dominix with that stuff.
CarnegieSteel	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:22:00 - [57] Dont forget to have a ship giving out links.
Movit	Posted - 2011.01.31 12:34:00 - [58] Uhm, one question. Upon completion of the vanguard site, when do you receive the ISK and the LP& right away or latter?
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.31 12:42:00 - [59] ISK is received when site is completed. LP is received when entire incursion is completed ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Movit	Posted - 2011.01.31 13:45:00 - [60] Oh, and one other question. If we did an encounter we would definately get the LP or the LP is given only to a most active fleet in the named encursion?



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