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Ivor Reganold Biggen Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Peter XZ I bet you wouldn't want your daughter, or mother walking around the streets looking inappropriate with dirty old men salivating after her. What you say about my mother f00l? It's called 'Style'. Get some D&G's and shake your money maker.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:03:00 - [32] Edited by: Sophia Amelia Stone on 27/01/2011 11:04:08 Originally by: Chribba CCP owns your clothes, they can tell you when to dress any time they want Altho just make the game 18+ already and we can have all the nudity we need/want/desire. Or make 0.0 unrated... AoC 18+ game, sure a woman does not have a bra there and they have nipples too. But they don't have anything down below, probably because although it's 18+ they know that there will be some younger players actually playing it. Second Life I believe has full nudity, but never played it so can't confirm that. And as for women not being able to show a bra, that is totally ridiculous. Guess those making those kind of foolish decisions have never been on a beach.
Lynx Borealis	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Blame the Americans. Seriously. It is not CCPs morals that are being imposed, but American "morals" The kind where decapitation ang graphic violence hardly raises an eyebrow, but nudity causes havoc and will scar youngsters for life. CCP wants a Teen ERSB rating on EVE, and as such have no choice but to cater to this madness. Yeah, the whole nation freaks out when there is nipple in TV. But it's ok to show TV series and movies all day long that show million different way to kill a man. USA needs to get laid. Seriously.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:05:00 - [34] You can buy exotic dancers, slaves, firearms and drugs. But bra and top, oh no. That's too much! Give it up already CCP. No matter how much you try and remove these things, EVE will not become popular with women.
Carola Kessler	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Originally by: Chribba CCP owns your clothes, they can tell you when to dress any time they want Altho just make the game 18+ already and we can have all the nudity we need/want/desire. Or make 0.0 unrated... AoC 18+ game, sure a woman does not have a bra there and they have nipples too. But they don't have anything down below, probably because although it's 18+ they know that there will be some younger player actually playing it. Second Life I believe has full nudity, but never played it so can't confirm that. And as for women not being able to show a bra, that is totally ridiculous. Guess those making those kind of foolish decisions have never been on a beach. SL has full nudity FYI also hardcore **** as well but in Closed SIMs ( that are the lands owned by Linden Labs rented to Users) Those SIMs are adult rated and closed to not Age Veryfied users and can't entered by those.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Pohbis Give it up already CCP. No matter how much you try and remove these things, EVE will not become popular with women. Not being able to take your shirt off will be just as unpopular for women as it is for men.
Kaeda Maxwell Smit Intergalactic	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Kaeda Maxwell on 27/01/2011 11:16:34 Originally by: Klandi To the OP. Leaving a game that gives you so much obvious pleasure over the inclusion of a "virtual" personal garment is a concept you should revisit. Does it feature that much in your game experience? How I relate to my character, matters to me very much yes, one of my characters is very conservatively clothed as that's how I imagine her personality to be, Kaeda is a -9.9 (at the time of writing) lowsec inhabitant of very low morale fibre, she'd have no trouble whatsoever to get stuff she wants by using her body to do so, apparently CCP -for an as yet undisclosed reason- doesn't seem to think her clothing is allowed to reflect this personality. Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Reduced freedom is always a serious issue. That's pretty much the gist of my annoyance yes. Why are morals being opposed on me (my characters) in a game that shows little hint of any high-morals in so much of its lore? Amarr maybe be puritans lore wise for example they also have no issues keep slaves in line by having them addicted to drugs, essentially no different from what a real world pimp does to drug addicted prostitutes. Yet that is ok, and my character showing a little skin isn't? That leads me to think for now that somebody else's real world morals are being imposed on me and that I have a actual real issues with in real life, I like freedom hence I speak up when people try to take it from me. For now it is all speculation however until we get the 'why' of this change from CCP, hence my OP.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Sealiah on 27/01/2011 11:24:43 I don't understand why would the game have censorship. Give us sexy clothes for the female chars and we won't walk naked. :D Oh and on a side note - slavery? You find that showing a boob WITH a bra on top is bad, but having ACTIVE SLAVERY LEGAL is ok? I don't get you. On the other hand, maybe it's because of some graphical issue, the bras weren't too pretty really :/
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:24:00 - [39] I never ceases to amaze that people find stuff to .... ummm .... voice their objections to. Like a shirt. Or not. I a internet space ship game... Seriously
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:24:00 - [40] CCP has converted to Islam. Burkas are next, and MANDATORY BEARDS!

Turix Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:24:00 - [41] While this is something I would by no means do myself, personally I find it rather tasteless, it is a matter of freedom. Freedom is something Eve stands for, not only from a player perspective but also it is the way CCP advertises the game, after all the Sandbox is supposed to have no limits right? CCP, the average age and maturity (Well, discounting most of these forums) of your players far surpasses that of every other major MMO(RPG) I'm aware of, including (And I can vouch for this) Age of Conan; which is a mature rated game! I agree entirely with some of the replies above, Eve currently is very two-faced in the way it is presented; the Books and other fluff present a very gritty, mature and generally well designed view of the Eve universe (One that specifically appeals to the mature player) whereas in the game you seem to be deliberately avoiding anything that links this fluff in at all. Now I understand that RP and player interactions are supposed to be completely that, player driven, but if you don't provide the players the tools and the freedoms they require; then how can they create this sandbox environment that you market so much? Now I'm going to be a bit geeky/philosophical now and quote something from The Cathedral and Bazaar; "Any tool should be useful in the expected way, but a truly great tool lends itself to uses you never expected. Now while CatB is primarily above open source development (And shame on any software developer who hasn't read it) several other of the points made there would suit CCP very well I feel; however I chose this one in particular because the core features of Eve, the ones listed on the box shall we say, are how Eve is expected to be used. Which means everything else, the bit that CCP dubs "The Sandbox", comes under that unexpected category, aka that is what makes Eve great! What I'm trying to say is don't limit the feature that makes your game as good as it is, even in just small ways because small changes lead to bigger changes and so on; especially when you are aware of your audience. I would personally find it very interesting to hear from CCP in the form of a Dev blog or otherwise about some demographics about Eve players, what is the average age, level of education, etc (I'm sure these might exist somewhere, but I'm guessing if they do they are now out dated). Maybe that kind of research might help the development direction of Eve, or at least quench someones curiosity ? Now I'm very aware that what I've just written is very liberal in nature, and blows the proverbial fish of the water (then guts, cooks and eats it) but I wanted to address the issue as a whole, rather than just the specific issue. __________________________
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:25:00 - [42] Funny thing is that this rage thread wouldn't exist if CCP would have had the shirt rule for the start.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente I never ceases to amaze that people find stuff to .... ummm .... voice their objections to. Like a shirt. Or not. I a internet space ship game... Seriously Yes seriously as when you can actually use your bodies the avatars in this game will have greater meaning.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:26:00 - [44] How many of the top 16 in Babes of New Eden show their bras? Yes, one as of this moment. Take that as a hint of what actaully is sexy and what isn't.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:28:00 - [45] That is completely ridiculous. Especially considering the old portraits.
W1rlW1nd WirlWind	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Peter XZ ... If you think that women are just pieces of meat, thats ur business, though it's not a healthy way of treating another human being, cos Abuse of those humans can easily follow, and boy, have we got TONS of abuse of women in todays society. I bet you wouldn't want your daughter, or mother walking around the streets looking inappropriate with dirty old men salivating after her. ... this ... is ... a FANTASY MURDER SPACE GAME! i would not want my daughter or mother playing this game because within 5 minutes they would get brutally ganked, have their loot stolen, get insulted in local and start crying and want to go back 2W. if you want to fight against skimpy clothing do it in the fashion or film business [and GOOOOOD LUCK WITH THAT LOL!]. but making a puritanical stand in a game based on people killing each other, this is really not the place for it. and like i have already posted, NORMAL people in RL do not cover up with this much clothing and it looks ridiculous to me. the release version of the clothing was way too much cover up. but then again i don't live on top of a snow-capped volcano freezing my butt off all day so the developers may not be used to the idea of not having to wear snowpants and winter jackets even indoors. oh and btw the female body is beautiful and should be celebrated and revered, and since it enters your mind that semi nude women are only to salivated over like meat and not respected, that is your own problem. considering a lot of players also salivate over exploding helpless victims you would be in good company sir, you are definitely subscribed to the correct game
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Funny thing is that this rage thread wouldn't exist if CCP would have had the shirt rule for the start. Instead you would have threads like: Can we take our shirts off. I want body hair, please make it possible to remove our shirts.
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Hakkar''al Gallente on 27/01/2011 11:36:03 Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente I never ceases to amaze that people find stuff to .... ummm .... voice their objections to. Like a shirt. Or not. I a internet space ship game... Seriously Yes seriously as when you can actually use your bodies the avatars in this game will have greater meaning. I fail to be impressed by your reasoning, as "when" is not now. So, CCP doesn't want strip shown in EVE, so fecking what? Because I don't believe it would stop at shirts, why not get your pants off too? Because player X wants to use his avatar to show how morally deprieved he (she) is in-game. I also fail to muster the necessary indignation requited to rage about it. Maybe I fail in general
Merrya Minmatar BlackWing Cartel	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:37:00 - [49] You guys are totally over reacting. CCP is just embarressed about their underwear. I'm sure as soon as they release some sexy panties and bras we will get our shirtless option back. ----------------------------------------------- Check out my Rifter
Peter XZ Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Peter XZ on 27/01/2011 11:41:59 People who are desperate to feast their eyes on pixelated boobs all day long surely have been playing video games too long. C'mon guys the world's a beautiful place, opent that bedroom door you've padlocked cos you don't wanna see RL ppl, and get out there and contribute to society. Enjoy Eve in moderation, and then you won't be fixated so much about semi-naked pixel ppl :) Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are \o/ traditional500 channel

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:43:00 - [51] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 27/01/2011 11:44:39 Originally by: Mashie Saldana How many of the top 16 in Babes of New Eden show their bras? Yes, one as of this moment. Take that as a hint of what actaully is sexy and what isn't. I counted at least 4 with a few not clearly showing what they got. It's besides the point though. The bra option is very tastefully done, so there is no reason not to allow it to be chosen. A bra/bare chest + jacket seems to be a very popular option with females and males and it looks nice to boot.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:45:00 - [52] Edited by: Sophia Amelia Stone on 27/01/2011 11:45:19 Originally by: Peter XZ Edited by: Peter XZ on 27/01/2011 11:41:59 People who are desperate to feast their eyes on pixelated boobs all day long surely have been playing video games too long. C'mon guys the world's a beautiful place, opent that bedroom door you've padlocked cos you don't wanna see RL ppl, and get out there and contribute to society. Enjoy Eve in moderation, and then you won't be fixated so much about semi-naked pixel ppl :) That's rather a narrow sighted view of things. Who says removing your shirt has to be sexual.
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Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:46:00 - [54] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/01/2011 11:46:36 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue The bra option is very tastefully done, so there is no reason not to allow it to be chosen. A bra + jacket seems to be a very popular option with females and males and it looks nice to boot. Well cough I don't think "tasteful" is the right word, it's not what i'd call stylish, to express it mildly. Doesn't mean I think it shouldn't be allowed ..
roigon	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:46:00 - [55] the fact that you think this is about some sort of moral crusade is just flabbergasting. I'm willing to bet that it probably just has some unforeseen consequence for incarna and they want to nip it in the but now, instead of discovering they can't fix it when it needs to be released.
Sophia Amelia Stone	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:50:00 - [56] Originally by: roigon the fact that you think this is about some sort of moral crusade is just flabbergasting. I'm willing to bet that it probably just has some unforeseen consequence for incarna and they want to nip it in the but now, instead of discovering they can't fix it when it needs to be released. You mean that they can't get body hair right, so easiest way to deal with it is cover up.
Tesl	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:53:00 - [57] For all the people saying how they don't like people in chat saying about boobs - there is a block button for a reason For all the people saying about pervs just wanting to walk around in bra and knickers - why even have your toon in just bra and knickers to start with if you then HAVE to cloth it. why not just do away with showing the skin and have the toon fully clothed already. Most of you complaining about seeing a bra, jesus grow up, its a game there pixelated representations. anyone in there right mind knows that if you want to see real crap like that google is your friend. So what if i want to show my bra, its not exactly showing anything else is it? what do you do when you go to the beach walk around with your eyes closed so you dont get offended? tell people to cover up so you cant see there bikini? Some people jesus. I call to a end to this madness, They quite happily let me take drugs to better my self in combat (Boosters), why cant i walk around in a garment that STILL COVERS MY ****? This is such a contraction in terms its unreal, PS i doubt this was anything to do with the a +18 rating, as all that does is make children want to play it more. Also if you think American rating has anything to do with this, then you lot obviously need to live more and go play some Korean MMO's that are on the market, hell you would cry if you did that at all the women in hardly anything running around.
nalgok	Posted - 2011.01.27 11:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Originally by: roigon the fact that you think this is about some sort of moral crusade is just flabbergasting. I'm willing to bet that it probably just has some unforeseen consequence for incarna and they want to nip it in the but now, instead of discovering they can't fix it when it needs to be released. You mean that they can't get body hair right, so easiest way to deal with it is cover up. Or perhaps their algorithm to fit clothes around the mesh of a character has a bug that creeps up when a character has no shirt and start to walk, who is to tell. But it sure sounds more plausible then CCP caring about the moral fiber of the game.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2011.01.27 12:01:00 - [59] On the one hand I forsee much angst being vented by Chesty McJubblies. On the other.....meh ----- Marmite. Rocket fuel of champions.
Count Winkelhoff	Posted - 2011.01.27 12:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Jada Maroo CCP has converted to Islam. Burkas are next, and MANDATORY BEARDS! I loled but eh....you could be right



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