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Pasmerktas	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:25:00 - [1] I'd like to ask Devs, is this true that Incarna will lead EVE to microtransactions and will Incarna items will cost real money?
Commander Amy Stewart Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Pasmerktas I'd like to ask Devs, is this true that Incarna will lead EVE to microtransactions and will Incarna items will cost real money? Yes, pretty silk bras and such ^^ It's not been confirmed, it's just that CCP has stated repeatedly that microtransaction will only be used for vanity items; however which ones remains to be decided/revealed.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:33:00 - [3] Veldspar hat! Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:36:00 - [4] This thread is now about what vanity items you would like in Incarna. Space Ponies!
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:37:00 - [5] Cod piece studded with morphite gems. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:43:00 - [6] I want a kilt! Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
captain skinback	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:44:00 - [7] i wana wear nothing at all
My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:49:00 - [8] Concord NOS Concord Gun And the Jove frig i forgot the name.
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Pasmerktas I'd like to ask Devs, is this true that Incarna will lead EVE to microtransactions and will Incarna items will cost real money? I doubt CCP has finalized anything, this dev blog is about as close as we get. Have to say that it is one the most uninsprirng things I've read in a long time, with no player made items the scope for individuality will be very low. Given that it's going to be years before incarna starts to live up to the fanfest demonstrations I find the whole business model very backwards looking. Think about what is likely to be happening in other virtual worlds like the sims and second life over the next couple of years, it makes the idea of offering a few pre made trinkets seem kinda shoddy. Certainly bears no resemblance to the idea of a sandbox.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:20:00 - [10] CCP will introduce microtransactions for vanity items, yes. When? Nobody knows, but since there aren't a lot of vanity items one could make for players piloting spaceships, yes, Incarna will "lead" to microtransactions. But no, not all Incarna items will cost money.
Ashley Dinova Very Important POD Pilots	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Chribba Veldspar hat! Only a hat? I want rings, necklaces, earrings, piercings, beltbuckles, etc! -AD-
Jisu Viscera Minmatar Setenta Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:39:00 - [12] Vanity items - my weakness!! Noooooooooooooo.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:48:00 - [13] Yes, Incarna will bring micro-transactions. It'll probably be tied into the PLEX system, we've seen hints of it on test. While I'd prefer PLEX be for timecards alone, I personally think PLEX can handle the additional load. PLEX prices will of course rise a bit as demand increases, but I see supply increasing right along side it without issue. In most cases I'd be practically frothing at the mouth thinking about RMT, but in a game as vast as Eve, things like earrings and tattoos are such a minor thing that I simply don't care if they nickle and dime us for them. If they make some extra money from people wanting to play barbie designer in Eve, so be it Of course we should all be concerned about micro-transactions spreading beyond vanity items. Even incarna features like renting storefronts should never be tied to micro-transactions (if that's player controlled maybe we'll get a property market!). In the end, micro-transactions stifle a game, tread with care CCP.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:53:00 - [14] Originally by: mechtech Of course we should all be concerned about micro-transactions spreading beyond vanity items... It will, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that it is heading that way. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Jisu Viscera Minmatar Setenta Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: mechtech Of course we should all be concerned about micro-transactions spreading beyond vanity items... It will, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that it is heading that way. It has proven to be a more successul model for generating income. Why everyone is afraid of it, I will not understand. I suppose the biggest argument against it is that "I worked hard for this stuff and someone can just buy it with real money from the website!!1!", which is true, but some people spend more time working at their job than others, and coincidentally, have less time to play than you do. It all evens out in the end. If someone wants to drop their hard earned money on something, I don't see how that is any business of yours.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 28/01/2011 16:27:31 Originally by: Jisu Viscera Edited by: Jisu Viscera on 28/01/2011 16:00:31 Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: mechtech Of course we should all be concerned about micro-transactions spreading beyond vanity items... It will, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that it is heading that way. It has proven to be a more successul model for generating income. Why everyone is afraid of it, I will not understand. I suppose the biggest argument against it is that "I worked hard for this stuff and someone can just buy it with real money from the website!!1!", which is true, but some people spend more time working at their job than others, and coincidentally, have less time to play than you do. It all evens out in the end. If someone wants to drop their hard earned money on something, I don't see how that is any business of yours. Microtransactions are the future of MMO's - so get used to it. It's a concern because it does nothing to improve my gaming experience, in fact it diminishes it. I pay for the sub, so I should be on equal footing with other subscribers, as far as the game is concerned. If this was a PvE game, I couldn't care less what you can buy, since I wouldn't be affected by any of it. Since EVE is all about player interaction, you having the ability to buy yourself advantages directly out of game is a big problem. Vanity items I don't mind, but gameplay advantages is a big no-no. The moment I have to pay extra in addition to the normal sub to stay competative with other players CCP can go ** themselves. And don't counter with the BS "you can already do all that". You can't. It all goes through the game and is determined by the people already playing. They decide what characters to sell and at what price and how much they will pay you for a PLEX. It all goes through the game and no advantage is magically added to you. It keeps things in balance and helps to fight account selling and RMT. It is good at generating income though, but mainly for F2P games or with vanity items in games using a subscription model. When you already pay a full sub and are told you have to pay extra to get access to content, people tend to get **ed. When you play for free and you are asked to pay a dollar or two to get access to a new area, it seems a reasonable request, since they have to cover the costs of developing that new content somehow and you don't pay anything for things you don't use. This model is great, but it won't work on every game type. Your traditional themepark MMO is great for it. There is no player driven market, players actions don't influence one another in any real sense, the world is heavily sharded and instanced and it doesn't matter in the slightest if you can't travel freely in the universe. All is easily dividable and sellable in little rides and packages. You try that in EVE and it all goes to hell.
Jisu Viscera Minmatar Setenta Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:31:00 - [17] Edited by: Jisu Viscera on 28/01/2011 16:33:13 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue You don't have any idea what will and won't be a MT, nor do you have any idea how it will effect the community on a whole (especially considering all the ISK being sold on the net right now anyway). Don't play the fear mongering card. And seriously, you cannot argue that it wouldn't be extremely hilarious to pop someone's "bought" Battleship soon after they purchased it. Though I doubt ships will make it to the list.
Everinsearch	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:10:00 - [18] UH, free2playPAY2WIN is FAIL. Add These Items but make us mission for them or create them through elaborate PI. Which of course makes PVPers able to get them as well. Because unlike implants, they should drop off your toon into your biomass when your podded. also, F&I?
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:18:00 - [19] If they added a Lego Space Helmet in i might be tempted............ might............. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
Tiffis	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:24:00 - [20]
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Chribba Veldspar hat! Oh god please make it look like this! --- DIE
Mr M	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:19:00 - [22] I want a shiny red codpiece. Word up! Get paid ISK writing about Eve
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Jisu Viscera Edited by: Jisu Viscera on 28/01/2011 16:00:31 Originally by: Patient 2428190 Originally by: mechtech Of course we should all be concerned about micro-transactions spreading beyond vanity items... It will, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that it is heading that way. It has proven to be a more successul model for generating income. Why everyone is afraid of it, I will not understand. There are at least a couple of problems with MTs: One is that if MT items become such a hot income generator it would be natural for CCP to place more focus on those items (more developer resources), and eventually try to make them the focus of game mechanics. The other is that even at the outset these "vanity items" will be a visible immersion breaker due to their out-of game nature. ...
Amaya Thorn	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:28:00 - [24] All I ask for is a palanquin and some slaves to steer 'er by.
Logan LaMort	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:30:00 - [25] I'm pretty sure even CCP don't really have a concrete plan of what they're going to do with this. Remember, the micro transaction comment was at the bottom of a blog reassuring us that they won't go through with plex for remaps. They were basically saying they won't do micro transactions for an in game advantage, and they cited vanity items as an example of a possible route. Considering it's possible to play EVE by only buying plex with ISK and that they've never charged us for an expansion, I don't exactly see CCP becoming a money grabbing company like EA or Activision just yet. It's all up in the air and no one really knows what is going to happen, possibly not even CCP. I will speculate however, that whatever they will do, will probably be entirely optional and possible to be done with PLEX, which can be bought with real money or ISKies.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:35:00 - [26] Can anyone explaing to me why the official "35$=700kk" is totally OK and fine while everyone is so afraid of introduction of RMT(for non vanity items). So as long as it's 35$=700kk=golem its ok, but as soon as it becomes 35$=golem its not ok?
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:35:00 - [27] As long as we can use (reverse redeemed) ingame plexs for these microtransactions I'm ok with it. Nothing in this game should be 100% unavailable if you don't want to use RL $$.
Jisu Viscera Minmatar Setenta Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Jisu Viscera on 28/01/2011 19:36:49 Originally by: Razin There are at least a couple of problems with MTs: One is that if MT items become such a hot income generator it would be natural for CCP to place more focus on those items (more developer resources), and eventually try to make them the focus of game mechanics. The other is that even at the outset these "vanity items" will be a visible immersion breaker due to their out-of game nature. All I want are more clothes options for my character when Incarna launches. I could really care less what happens after that. And since people are so afraid of MT, I could customize myself and feel unique about the outcome.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Chribba Veldspar hat! Chribba masks!
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:43:00 - [30] Vanity Items ruined my Team Fortress 2.... now will Vanity Items ruin my EVE too?!!! ragequit U SIR ARE A SPAI!

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