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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Daxine Myth on 28/01/2011 14:56:27
Post here if you would like CCP to make the removal of BOTS/SCRIPTS from EVE Online a priority.
By posting you're keeping our anger at the situation on the front page.
Feel free to discus the problem or just simply a post supporting an anti bot petition is fine.
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lwxsky oli
FACTS on EVE
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:01:00 -
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yes.
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Larz Eldherjur
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:26:00 -
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Supported!
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Angry PrairyDog
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:36:00 -
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Angry CoCo agrees with this.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:59:00 -
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Fixing lag should be priority they try to do it for a year and getting worse every expansion.
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Henry Haphorn
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.28 19:49:00 -
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Lag may be a problem, but so is boting since they have a direct negative impact on the New Eden economy. Price inflations caused by macro ratters collecting endless bounties while ore prices plummet as macro miners flood the market with ores.
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Wolodymyr
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Posted - 2011.01.28 20:37:00 -
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Yeah the interface has a "Report ISK spammer" option, whatever that means. Why not have a "report botter" menu option.
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Cassus Temon
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Posted - 2011.01.28 23:07:00 -
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Supported
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Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2011.01.28 23:55:00 -
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Supported. +1
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.29 01:21:00 -
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Cheers lads keep it posting.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Lonestar Distribution Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.29 01:53:00 -
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Definitely in support of this idea.
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Corian Teranos
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
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Posted - 2011.01.29 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Corian Teranos on 29/01/2011 03:57:07
Edited by: Corian Teranos on 29/01/2011 03:56:30
i am in complete favor of banning autonomous clients (bots) /signed
however there are some things that are techincally macros. for example the programable keys on most gaming mice that allow you to press multiple keys at once for example a one click activation of your tank eg mouse 1= f1-f2-f3-f4. and i am willing to bet many of the serious pvp players use these regularly and arent even aware that they are technically tos violations.
so i am actually in favor of simple utility binds and macros that are not game altering. especially since ccp refuses to fix the market system to allow the sale of multiple items.
in short NO BOTS YES for basic hotkey binds
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Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2011.01.29 15:14:00 -
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+1000
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Elanor Vega
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Posted - 2011.01.30 12:26:00 -
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+1
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Irkalia
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Posted - 2011.01.30 13:33:00 -
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Selinate
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.30 14:03:00 -
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There's already a thread on this...
Ahh well, I'll support this one also for the same reasons I supported the other one.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2011.01.30 14:59:00 -
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.30 15:22:00 -
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Time to get the exterminators in. EVE is infested.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Eleonora Skye
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Posted - 2011.01.30 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Eleonora Skye on 30/01/2011 18:37:31
+1
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.30 18:50:00 -
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What anger? I am wholly and utterly indifferent.
The way I see it, the entities without fat moons available use them as alternative ISK faucets.
Income appears to be about the same if going by the even growth of super-capitals across the cluster, so "meh".
Besides, even if CCP managed to find some method hitherto unknown to the entire gaming industry, the markets would crash for pretty much all items.
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Eleonora Skye
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Posted - 2011.01.30 19:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
What anger? I am wholly and utterly indifferent.
The way I see it, the entities without fat moons available use them as alternative ISK faucets.
Income appears to be about the same if going by the even growth of super-capitals across the cluster, so "meh".
Besides, even if CCP managed to find some method hitherto unknown to the entire gaming industry, the markets would crash for pretty much all items.
Oh yeah so there is no problems ? Then why mining if a bot can do ? Why losing time to update market orders if a bot can do ? Why farming rats in 0.0 whereas bots could do it for you 24/7 ?
You convinced me, i'm going straight to find an effective bot !
How do you get your ISK already ? I hope it's by producing or ganking indus cause if not, start botting man !
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.01.30 19:04:00 -
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Ban the bot plz.
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Cyprus Black
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.01.30 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 30/01/2011 21:35:16
The bots are EVERYWHERE! Even in the most remote regions of low sec I still encounter two to three unique bots each day. And I know for a fact that these bots are not getting banned. Reporting them yields no results months after the petition is filed.
If CCP is dealing with these bots behind the scenes, we the playerbase certainly don't see it. Perception is reality and what we perceive is a game becoming increasingly saturated with bots in all corners of the galaxy while CCP sits idly on their hands.
If it continues to get worse, EvE will eventually turn into Lineage 2 or FFXI. They're so full of bots that even the starting zones are full of them. The devs in those games simply gave up and quit trying to combat the infestation.
There's almost nowhere I can go where I won't encounter a bot anymore with the exception of WH's and *some* null sec regions. To add insult to injury, it's arguably the most discussed issue here in AH, yet it's not being put on the table by the CSMs.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.30 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eleonora Skye
Oh yeah so there is no problems ? ..
Sure there is, but there is no realistic solution to them.
How the hell do you and others expect CCP to solve a problem that has had the entire industry on its knees since MMO's became mainstream?
CCP are pretty damn good but they are not gods.
Now, if the OP had asked for a context menu item similar to what we have for reporting ISK spammers then I am all for it. But generic emo-threads serves no purpose other than dilute the issues raised.
PS: Made my ISK inventing, manufacturing, exploring and ratting .. you know, playing the game.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.30 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Fixing lag should be priority they try to do it for a year and getting worse every expansion.
Bots cause lag.
Two birds with one stone.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.30 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Corian Teranos
for example the programable keys on most gaming mice that allow you to press multiple keys at once for example a one click activation of your tank eg mouse 1= f1-f2-f3-f4. and i am willing to bet many of the serious pvp players use these regularly and arent even aware that they are technically tos violations.
Keyboard macros which simply press many keys in sequence with no repeating or decision making, are perfectly fine under the TOS.
I'm not in favour of CCP reporting numbers of bots banned. I am in favour of some system allowing people to attack and destroy the ships of people suspected of running bots. For example, being able to be in space with a ship carrying weapons, which could then be activated against the "bad guy".
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Harvey Norman
Kairos Group
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Posted - 2011.01.31 03:17:00 -
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Fournone
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Posted - 2011.01.31 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fournone on 31/01/2011 03:28:03
Yippie kiya motherbotter.
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.01.31 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 31/01/2011 05:48:48
Ask player to enter Check code every 10 missions. Then the cost of Macros will increas significantly.
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Eden Love
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Posted - 2011.01.31 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Eden Love on 31/01/2011 10:16:43
Edited by: Eden Love on 31/01/2011 10:14:16
Post this link ingame!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1458135
Everywhere! Jita, high sec low sec.
+1
lets also collect the best ideas to stop botting:
- found : Give miner menus a randomization
- limit the time you can stay in a NPC corp
CCp makes so much money. Why not employing a person who works on this problem. He only needs to purchase all bots available and check how they can be stopped.
Its a big problem! Honest players loose isk and fun cause of this!
Lets push this until they really do something against bots. Its also our game!
I ahve the feeling they are not doiung there outmost to stop this problem. Once the awareness about this is to big to overlook this problem and it goes amybe also into gaming magazines(online) we will get a solution i guess..sadly
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.01.31 15:23:00 -
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+1
"Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.31 17:09:00 -
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While I support this as a whole, it's not going to happen. Bots exist people coders with a brain control the MOUSE not the game. Randomizing menus is just going to cause people grief, and is on a level or paranoia as the TSA in the United States. You want random borderline sexual abuse pat downs next?
Bots exist and will ALWAYS exist unless CCP literally CONTROLS your computer. Then whose playing the game?
If you see a bot, report it. CCP can dance like a marionette but it is not going to change the result. The effort they have spent in curbing bots already is one of the most developed anti-bot system I have seen. I cannot in good conscience ask them to waste more time on this unless someone develops a way to hack the servers themselves.
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: a newbie
While I support this as a whole, it's not going to happen. Bots exist people coders with a brain control the MOUSE not the game. Randomizing menus is just going to cause people grief, and is on a level or paranoia as the TSA in the United States. You want random borderline sexual abuse pat downs next?
Bots exist and will ALWAYS exist unless CCP literally CONTROLS your computer. Then whose playing the game?
If you see a bot, report it. CCP can dance like a marionette but it is not going to change the result. The effort they have spent in curbing bots already is one of the most developed anti-bot system I have seen. I cannot in good conscience ask them to waste more time on this unless someone develops a way to hack the servers themselves.
Sorry... but WE CAN ASK CCP to "waste" more time on this...
and you know why???
becouse WE PAY RL MONEY FOR PLAYING THIS GAME...
and before we created account we had to agree to EULA... and EULA is contract between two sides... and all we ask is that other side carry out what THEY WROTE in that contract... nothing more and nothing less...
so if they say that botting will be sanctioned... well then sanction it...
and if they dont do anything to conduct EULA then we dont need to obey it... and that will lead to death of EVE like many other games died becouse of Bots...
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Jaari Val'Dara
Atomic Zeppelins
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:55:00 -
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1. Create an anti-botting coalition.
2. Make CCP reveal names of bots.
3. Declare war on bot user alliances and annihilate them.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2011.01.31 23:49:00 -
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.02.01 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sirius Cassiopeiae
Edited by: Sirius Cassiopeiae on 31/01/2011 19:39:19
Originally by: a newbie
While I support this as a whole, it's not going to happen. Bots exist people coders with a brain control the MOUSE not the game. Randomizing menus is just going to cause people grief, and is on a level or paranoia as the TSA in the United States. You want random borderline sexual abuse pat downs next?
Bots exist and will ALWAYS exist unless CCP literally CONTROLS your computer. Then whose playing the game?
If you see a bot, report it. CCP can dance like a marionette but it is not going to change the result. The effort they have spent in curbing bots already is one of the most developed anti-bot system I have seen. I cannot in good conscience ask them to waste more time on this unless someone develops a way to hack the servers themselves.
Sorry... but WE CAN ASK CCP to "waste" more time on this...
and you know why???
becouse WE PAY RL MONEY TO PLAY THIS GAME... 
and before we created account WE HAD TO agree to EULA... and EULA is contract between two sides... and all we ask is that other side carry out what THEY WROTE in that contract... nothing more and nothing less...
so if they say that botting will be sanctioned... well then sanction it...
and if they dont do anything to conduct EULA then we dont need to obey it... and that will lead to death of EVE like many other games died becouse of Bots...
If you actually read any of the CCP correspondence regarding the BOTS, they spend copious amounts of time "dealing with bots". They spend enough time dealing with it and listening to complaints of players, I am sure they are having nightmares about BOTS in their sleep.
If you use the search tool you should be able to find a particular topic in by a dev explaining just why bots are so difficult to spot. I can name a few because for the past 2 years I have had these damned emails trying to sell bots because a forum I signed up on had a security leak and a .cn originating user began spamming all users.
When you actually LOOK at what CCP is trying to fight, these things are ridiculous! You would think rails that run you through diablo were high-tech, these things make those older bots look like a Tandy next to a 8500$ gaming rig.
However I KNOW since the first MMO I played in 97 Bots have existed. Do you think out of no where CCP is going to develop a Anti-BOTting system that hasn't existed in the 14 years its been a prevalent trade? Do you think you pay enough for them to TRY and develop that? Considering just how much program developers make in a paycheck, I can sum it up pretty simply. CCP has spent more money in Anti-BOT development than I have made during my highest year of income.
But please don't tell me because you pay a subscription CCP IS REQUIRED to make you happy. They don't force you to subscribe, neither do they do NOTHING to try and make you happy. They do what they can with the money that is there. They have jobs, they are not subjects of the Amarr empire. Treating them as such shows no respect for a group trying to make an earnest attempt at correcting the issue.
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Supercon
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Posted - 2011.02.01 05:17:00 -
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bump /supported
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
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Posted - 2011.02.01 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: a newbie
If you actually read any of the CCP correspondence regarding the BOTS, they spend copious amounts of time "dealing with bots". They spend enough time dealing with it and listening to complaints of players, I am sure they are having nightmares about BOTS in their sleep.
If you use the search tool you should be able to find a particular topic in by a dev explaining just why bots are so difficult to spot. I can name a few because for the past 2 years I have had these damned emails trying to sell bots because a forum I signed up on had a security leak and a .cn originating user began spamming all users.
When you actually LOOK at what CCP is trying to fight, these things are ridiculous! You would think rails that run you through diablo were high-tech, these things make those older bots look like a Tandy next to a 8500$ gaming rig.
However I KNOW since the first MMO I played in 97 Bots have existed. Do you think out of no where CCP is going to develop a Anti-BOTting system that hasn't existed in the 14 years its been a prevalent trade? Do you think you pay enough for them to TRY and develop that? Considering just how much program developers make in a paycheck, I can sum it up pretty simply. CCP has spent more money in Anti-BOT development than I have made during my highest year of income.
But please don't tell me because you pay a subscription CCP IS REQUIRED to make you happy. They don't force you to subscribe, neither do they do NOTHING to try and make you happy. They do what they can with the money that is there. They have jobs, they are not subjects of the Amarr empire. Treating them as such shows no respect for a group trying to make an earnest attempt at correcting the issue.
Ccan you please tell me what did they done against Bots???
only thing that is done, and not only on paper, is Unholy Rage, and it was not against bots it was only against RMT...
they can spend trillion dolars on "taking care" of the problem like this...
many other MMOs are doing things against Bots, things that work more or less, Bots are adapted and now are much more $$$ than before and in a circle... but they are working...
and CCP cant say that... WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING they are doing against Botting...
i can wrote that I am constructing nuclear power plant and only thing that i did i wrote that... and ppl will be deceived untill they see that there is no new (more) power...
that like we all feel... deceived... becouse there is no result... only words...
And if CCP cant (or wont becouse its too much dolars at stake) anything against bots... well... ok... just say so... then remove that part from EULA and we will all use Bots... and no more threads about this...
And that will happen sooner or later, 90% of players will be using Bots, if CCP dont do anything...
"we are building nuclear power plant, but we can't give you new power... just pay for that in contract... but new power you cant get... you know... we are working on that... we are working... but untill then lets make one new factory and sell it to you and new ppl... but we are working..."
p.s.
this is harsh version... and sorry if i am too harsh...
but when you tell harsh version then all ppl will see what you are talking about...
and sorry for bad english... didn't have time to check the text at all...
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.02.01 18:27:00 -
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Supported.
An anti-bot program should be multi-layered like CCP's anti-phishing program
1) Modify the client so its harder to bot (stop code injection).
2) Modify the content so its harder to bot (interfere with simple "timer" macros)
3) Add methods to flag bot-like play. Both coded methods, and easier player reporting.
4) GM challenges to flagged accounts. Modify the EULA to make it a violation to not replay in an understandable way to a GM challenge. Worried about being AFK? Give the GM's tools so they can tell if the client is being operated while ignoring them.
5) Ban, name and shame. Name the actual player (not just the pilot), the corp and alliance.
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Elanor Vega
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Posted - 2011.02.01 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Elanor Vega on 01/02/2011 19:32:02
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Supported.
An anti-bot program should be multi-layered like CCP's anti-phishing program
1) Modify the client so its harder to bot (stop code injection).
2) Modify the content so its harder to bot (interfere with simple "timer" macros)
3) Add methods to flag bot-like play. Both coded methods, and easier player reporting.
4) GM challenges to flagged accounts. Modify the EULA to make it a violation to not replay in an understandable way to a GM challenge. Worried about being AFK? Give the GM's tools so they can tell if the client is being operated while ignoring them.
5) Ban, name and shame. Name the actual player (not just the pilot), the corp and alliance.
+1
only, one more thing put on the list:
6) Modify the server and client, so that server can know what is original EVE client and what is not, so that server accepts only original EVE client connections
because some bots emulate client...
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Taedrin
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 02/02/2011 00:41:56
Originally by: Sirius Cassiopeiae
Originally by: a newbie
If you actually read any of the CCP correspondence regarding the BOTS, they spend copious amounts of time "dealing with bots". They spend enough time dealing with it and listening to complaints of players, I am sure they are having nightmares about BOTS in their sleep.
If you use the search tool you should be able to find a particular topic in by a dev explaining just why bots are so difficult to spot. I can name a few because for the past 2 years I have had these damned emails trying to sell bots because a forum I signed up on had a security leak and a .cn originating user began spamming all users.
When you actually LOOK at what CCP is trying to fight, these things are ridiculous! You would think rails that run you through diablo were high-tech, these things make those older bots look like a Tandy next to a 8500$ gaming rig.
However I KNOW since the first MMO I played in 97 Bots have existed. Do you think out of no where CCP is going to develop a Anti-BOTting system that hasn't existed in the 14 years its been a prevalent trade? Do you think you pay enough for them to TRY and develop that? Considering just how much program developers make in a paycheck, I can sum it up pretty simply. CCP has spent more money in Anti-BOT development than I have made during my highest year of income.
But please don't tell me because you pay a subscription CCP IS REQUIRED to make you happy. They don't force you to subscribe, neither do they do NOTHING to try and make you happy. They do what they can with the money that is there. They have jobs, they are not subjects of the Amarr empire. Treating them as such shows no respect for a group trying to make an earnest attempt at correcting the issue.
Ccan you please tell me what did they done against Bots???
only thing that is done, and not only on paper, is Unholy Rage, and it was not against bots it was only against RMT...
they can spend trillion dolars on "taking care" of the problem like this...
many other MMOs are doing things against Bots, things that work more or less, Bots are adapted and now are much more $$$ than before and in a circle... but they are working...
and CCP cant say that... WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING they are doing against Botting...
i can wrote that I am constructing nuclear power plant and only thing that i did i wrote that... and ppl will be deceived untill they see that there is no new (more) power...
that like we all feel... deceived... becouse there is no result... only words...
And if CCP cant (or wont becouse its too much dolars at stake) anything against bots... well... ok... just say so... then remove that part from EULA and we will all use Bots... and no more threads about this...
And that will happen sooner or later, 90% of players will be using Bots, if CCP dont do anything...
"we are building nuclear power plant, but we can't give you new power... just pay for that in contract... but new power you cant get... you know... we are working on that... we are working... but untill then lets make one new factory and sell it to you and new ppl... but we are working..."
p.s.
this is harsh version... and sorry if i am too harsh...
but when you tell harsh version then all ppl will see what you are talking about...
and sorry for bad english... didn't have time to check the text at all...
There is plenty of empirical evidence out there that CCP takes action against bots. Every few months, people will make a post on the forums saying:
"What the hell happened to all of the bots in system <x>?"
Which will be confirmed by multiple other players who claim the same thing and say that the bots on their watchlist aren't logging in anymore.
This is what CCP does: when someone petitions about a bot or RMT, they RESEARCH into it before taking action. They collect as many related accounts as possible and then ban them all at once. It is inefficient IMO, but this is evidence that CCP *DOES* care.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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LordElfa
Gallente
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.02 11:41:00 -
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Useless thread, useless request. People have made all sorts of suggestions on how to solve the problem and those who don't respond about how a bot can get past the idea respond by whining about the solution making their game more tedious or time consuming.
IOW, its an problem everyone wants solved and nobody is willing to deal with the hassles of anything that would be needed to solve them. I'm sorry folks, but you can't ****ing have it both ways. What makes the game easy for you makes it easy for bots and what kills the bots makes it hell on earth for the players.
The Republicans said it best, you wanna be safe, you're gonna have to give up some freedoms.
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Avila Cracko
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Posted - 2011.02.02 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
There is plenty of empirical evidence out there that CCP takes action against bots. Every few months, people will make a post on the forums saying:
"What the hell happened to all of the bots in system <x>?"
Which will be confirmed by multiple other players who claim the same thing and say that the bots on their watchlist aren't logging in anymore.
This is what CCP does: when someone petitions about a bot or RMT, they RESEARCH into it before taking action. They collect as many related accounts as possible and then ban them all at once. It is inefficient IMO, but this is evidence that CCP *DOES* care.
I saw that threads appear only when there was some change to the client (update, fix)...
And about banning... yes, they ban small number of them... but that's ONLY TEMPORARY BAN... and they get theirs accounts back... so they dont have to worry about absolutely anything...
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.02 11:46:00 -
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Absolutely. However not to bring your mood down but a properly programmed bot is almost undetectable from a player that just ignores you. At least to the server.
How can you differentiate a bot that has random number generators for the click locations and timing built it from a guy that just has no life and mines 23 / 7 ?
Ratting same. I support this but really this is going to be an uphill battle.
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2011.02.03 04:30:00 -
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I'm not a programmer I'm a miner. So I don't know what kind of softwhere it would take. I do know that botting is cheating and that CCP doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop it.
If there isn't softwhere for it then have one of those squiggly letter codes that web sites use when a minning ship activates it lasers. if the code given is wrong 3 times, make the ship flashy red to everyone around. If they get it right then they are given a pass until they dock up again.
You could limit this to just mining barges if you feel it it too intensive. Seriously though, something needs to be done.
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Lexxarius
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Posted - 2011.02.03 11:31:00 -
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/Signed
Why not allow players to police 'botters'? A kinda menu option (like invite to fleet), where a player can tag a botter, and if that botter doesn't click on a 'confirmation' button / enter a code (whatever) within 5 mins, then that bot /afk player then turns red and is open season.
Should the confirmation pass then it cannot be activated again for 1h.
Simple solution maybe, but I dont know, i'm not a programmer, just an Eve gamer.
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Terrorform
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Posted - 2011.02.03 15:40:00 -
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Post here if you would like CCP to make the removal of BOTS/SCRIPTS from EVE Online a priority.
Do it noaaw!
+1
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Skandrannon22
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Posted - 2011.02.03 15:45:00 -
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They got one for gold spammers... bots are just the other side of that... I'm down!
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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:03:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Severian Carnifex on 05/02/2011 11:03:46
+1
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Ere Colliseru
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:19:00 -
[50]
supported! even if the whole next expansion is used for that!
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Terrorform
Post here if you would like CCP to make the removal of BOTS/SCRIPTS from EVE Online a priority.
Do it noaaw!
+1
So you want CCP to spend manpower and resources to actually decrese its revenue ???
It is just NOT going to happen in capitalism.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:18:00 -
[52]
I believe they are already doing plenty, but they can't tell us everything because then they tell the botters everything. But more effort in this direction couldn't hurt.
I think they should look at people who are online, and doing stuff whether it's ratting, mining market activity, and so on, for 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. No one can survive on 30 mins sleep, certainly not for several days, so they are either botting or account sharing. Either way it's a violation of the EULA, and I would have thought could be an easy win. Even if it means botters only bot for 16 hours a day, every little helps.
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Andy Croxton
Gallente
Militaris Industries
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.02.07 01:47:00 -
[53]
Either make the belts and rocks larger or get rid of them please.
Andy Croxton
Militaris Industries
Recruitment Officer
Killboard
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.07 03:07:00 -
[54]
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.02.07 05:33:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Vak Keelin
If there isn't softwhere for it then have one of those squiggly letter codes that web sites use when a minning ship activates it lasers. if the code given is wrong 3 times, make the ship flashy red to everyone around.
Another genius.
CAPTCHA doesn't work. Is ****. Doesn't work, and Is ****.
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Darirol
FEROX AQUILA
Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.07 06:12:00 -
[56]
:thumbsup:
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Morgenholt Blue
Swift Redemption
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Posted - 2011.02.07 23:11:00 -
[57]
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aetherguy881
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Posted - 2011.02.07 23:21:00 -
[58]
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Blightsteel
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Posted - 2011.02.08 02:21:00 -
[59]
They should automatically flag accounts for inspection if they're constantly online and doing activities for more than 80% of the time that the servers are up.
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Brainzor
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Posted - 2011.02.08 14:16:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Brainzor on 08/02/2011 14:16:08
absolutely
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Aquila Draco
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Posted - 2011.02.09 19:39:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Originally by: Vak Keelin
If there isn't softwhere for it then have one of those squiggly letter codes that web sites use when a minning ship activates it lasers. if the code given is wrong 3 times, make the ship flashy red to everyone around.
Another genius.
CAPTCHA doesn't work. Is ****. Doesn't work, and Is ****.
why is **** bad word?
its only physiological need... XD
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Voddick
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Posted - 2011.02.10 06:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Skex Relbore
The only real way to combat botting is to eliminate boring static repetitive tedious game play that is easily scripted or to level the playing field on activities for which this can't be done.
This is the best way forward as far as I can see. It wonĘt harm actual human players, fill the screen with popups, or create piles of never-ending work for Devs.
The first step isnĘt to scan accounts or client memory; itĘs to remove all asteroid belts, ice fields, and re-spawning rats (stay with me for a second). Next, make asteroid sites scannable via probes and have rats guarding them. With a small number of roids at each site (30 hulk minutes worthąthink mission duration), and a few rats to shoot. Adjust the spawn rate and quality of both to diminish as the frequency of harvesting increases. This encourages people to spread out and cripples macros & macro like behavior.
With no ice fields, belts, or systems with 7+ belts to chain spawns, macros as we know them today will die. Yes, macros will adapt; but the boring tasks are improved (+1 players) the macro income has been greatly reduced (+1 players) and the never ending supply of isk, liquid or mineral has diminishing returns (+1 players).
Beating market bots is much, much easier. All market bots rely on an infinite number of market updates per day. The solutioną.either put a limit on the total number of times a player can update orders per day, or greatly increase the cool-down timer of making updates. The former would hurt actual traders much less.
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:59:00 -
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The eve client could be configured to exam other .exe files running and interacting with the client. Much like poker software or other anti cheat software.
I'd also like the names of banned players to be published along with the corp so that they can be named and shamed.
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skaxo
Amarr
Pos production
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:03:00 -
[64]
+1
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Anzha lyu Mitethe
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:08:00 -
[65]
For what it's worth...
+1
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:19:00 -
[66]
this particular solutio (petition) will not work
CCP will be flooded with thousands of reports, who will answer them? and how will they detect a REAL bot? ban everyone who plays 23/7? yeah it's going to work for some time (2 days?) until people figure out that they need to re-arrange their bots so that they rat/mine 8 hours.
eve online has terrible PVE and mining, it's super easy to bot. unfortunately they are too busy creating space barbies and have no time to create dynamic content.
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Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
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Posted - 2011.02.11 10:15:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tub Chil
this particular solutio (petition) will not work
CCP will be flooded with thousands of reports, who will answer them? and how will they detect a REAL bot? ban everyone who plays 23/7? yeah it's going to work for some time (2 days?) until people figure out that they need to re-arrange their bots so that they rat/mine 8 hours.
eve online has terrible PVE and mining, it's super easy to bot. unfortunately they are too busy creating space barbies and have no time to create dynamic content.
We are only asking them to so something...
and untill now we only see ignore mode activated...
there are many solutions on this forum... and CCP can look at them and decide what is the best thing to do... or they have something better...
is it bot recognizing software in client, is it changes in game mechanics, is it something else, or combination of all... its up to them...
just PLEASE do something...
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Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.02.13 14:17:00 -
[68]
Dont suspend or ban bot accoounts, delete them then ban by IP address.
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Priscilla Fancypants
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Posted - 2011.02.13 21:42:00 -
[69]
Look man. The problem is pretty simple and you all are pretty dumb if you agree with the first post. 90% of the people in this channel are too stupid to use botting, so they ***** that they have to make money the old fashioned way. CCP allows bots and as such you should learn to move with the times |
Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2011.02.13 23:11:00 -
[70]
Supported.
Going further, it should really be a no-brainer for CCP to introduce an automatic "Report Botter" petition, much the same way they introduced a "Report ISK Spammer" petition, that is accessible from the right-click menu. Anyone reported as a botter enough times should automatically be flagged for review by CCP staff, and perchance added to a public list of suspected botters.
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Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.13 23:21:00 -
[71]
signed with all my 8 tentac...errr, I meant my 2 arms
seriously CCP, for me you could drop the next expansion in favor of this.
Max Kolonko |
Merc Psi
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Posted - 2011.02.13 23:41:00 -
[72]
Supported.
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Aleena Doran
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:58:00 -
[73]
Supported. And the CSM being upstanding members of the community, often affiliated with major alliances, and aware of much that happens in eve should publicly state their opposition to pilots, corps and alliances that benefit from bots.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:46:00 -
[74]
I'll tell you one thing CCP CAN do.
Hand out meaningful bans.
Caught once with a bot - one month ban.
Twice - 6 month ban.
Third time - permanent ban on ALL accounts the player holds.
The "bans" they hand out to botters now are a joke and show CCP is NOT SERIOUS in any way about dealing with botting.
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Mauryce
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Posted - 2011.02.14 13:59:00 -
[75]
Put hands on work, now!!
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Inari Kobayashi
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Posted - 2011.02.14 14:01:00 -
[76]
This has to be one of the top two threats to long term player disaffection (along with lag) - we have a war on lag and we now need a war on bots.
I for one will be voting for CSM candidates who take this issue seriously
If CCP are not taking this point seriously enough then we have to shout louder
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yani dumyat
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.14 15:44:00 -
[77]
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Scyth Darkhope
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.14 17:13:00 -
[78]
The best idea is certainly to remove local. Bots wouldn't be able to operate as easily, and 0.0 pvp would also be improved.
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consigner
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Posted - 2011.02.14 19:20:00 -
[79]
+1
What is the point of an MMO where you are playing against computers not players ??
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2011.02.14 19:31:00 -
[80]
Supported
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Valcerus
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Posted - 2011.02.15 20:54:00 -
[81]
Im so sick of petitioning bots in High Sec Plexes like angel Creo-mining. IM SO SICK CCP !! HEAR ME!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.16 11:06:00 -
[82]
Quote:
The way I see it, the entities without fat moons available use them as alternative ISK faucets.
Income appears to be about the same if going by the even growth of super-capitals across the cluster, so "meh".
CCP put objectives to achieve (i.e. conquering said moons). By circumventing the reward, you make 0.0 a stagnant sea of farmers. Who bothers, if the money comes out without moving off your home?
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Ivanauskas
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:28:00 -
[83]
+1
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Dariah Stardweller
NO U111 Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:26:00 -
[84]
Since botting is getting completly out of hand and it is one of the most vicious threats to the game I have to support this.
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:44:00 -
[85]
"Yeah the interface has a "Report ISK spammer" option, whatever that means. Why not have a "report botter" menu option."
^ What he said. 
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SiIver Twin
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Posted - 2011.02.16 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: SiIver Twin on 16/02/2011 23:48:52
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Lag may be a problem, but so is boting since they have a direct negative impact on the New Eden economy. Price inflations caused by macro ratters collecting endless bounties while ore prices plummet as macro miners flood the market with ores.
Here's a simple bit of Economics, macro miners flood the market with cheaper mins. buy them up and build guns. shoot the macro miners.
The miner loses a ship, the ganker losses a ship and both need replaced. (increasing the demand for minerals and decreasing the supply) slowly pushing the mineral prices up for honest mining folk...
Hulkageddon is coming. Primary the macro users if you have such a big problem with them.
The big problem with trying to stop macro users is that their programs have randomized keystrokes/delays added into there function making it harder to identify them from an efficient miner.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2011.02.18 16:39:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.18 23:36:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 18/02/2011 23:41:55
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 18/02/2011 23:36:42
Anti-bot initiative supported.
My proposal:
- 15 day ban (half of monthly subscription) after being reported by players and account examined by GMs
- if the botting practice on that account continues after the temporary ban, 15 more days are applied, etc...
Reason: to be able to be profitable as it is now, a botter must double his botting army which is easier to spot, report, examine and ban. It would make their life much harder and hopefully, with the help of real players, their job not profitable/possible. For those that can't afford doubling the amount of bots or making botting profitable with 15 day bans, I'll just say don't let the doors hit you on your way out of this game. We didn't want you in the game anyway.
Originally by: SiIver Twin
The big problem with trying to stop macro users is that their programs have randomized keystrokes/delays added into there function making it harder to identify them from an efficient miner.
Harder to identify? 
It can't be easier that this:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1101/2011.01.25.16.20.jpg
There are literally hundreds of these guys all around Caldari highsec.
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Imigo Montoya
Hysterically Unforgiving
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.19 09:05:00 -
[89]
I always support the removal of cheating from a game.
However your proposal offers no implementable solution, just "make it a priority". What exactly are you suggesting CCP do?
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.19 17:56:00 -
[90]
yes. we shouldnt even be asking for this.
ccp sort it out, no excuses any more.
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