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Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:52:00 - [91] Edited by: Annie Anomie on 06/02/2011 22:09:44 SoTF will honour 1vs1's and has done arranged gang (5 T1 cruisers etc.) fights (ask DRAEP). Just talk to us if you're interested in something like that. We may be up for it. Please let us know if our pilots are not honouring these arrangements. Obviously we'll want chatlogs but it's an important part of what the corp is about that people do not engage in **ery of this kind. FW is OK for what I do. I don't have a lot of time to play EVE between GF and job so it's nice to have a permanent wardec and a relatively static bit of space to fly around looking for targets. I don't suddenly have to relocate my ** halfway across EVE on a moments notice which is nice. If I didn't have a corp to fly with it'd be pretty bad though. Also being able to engage pirates compensates for the general crapiness of FW at times. All you generally see in the EU TZ are either gangs looking for a ganks (as opposed to looking for fights) or missioners in SBs. If you're not these guys and you run into us bear in mind this is what we're often set up for. Metagaming (HEY DRAEP o/) completely ruined the PUG aspect of it. It's so easy to get spy alts in. There is a very tangible difference between flying with corpies and flying with FDU. The spying isn't even subtle. Good point about the pirate ships ruining plexes too. I'd also add plex rats to that list of issues (who wants to fight a guy with an NPC falcon?). I have far better fights on plex gates than I ever do inside. It basically means the restrictions don't apply if you spend enough ISK. It used to be a pretty good place for newbies but these days I really dunno how true that is now. I suppose it isn't notably worse than just going belt pirating in rifters but still :S
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 01:41:00 - [92] How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight?
Montmazar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:36:00 - [93] Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Well first off, it's way more elite.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:52:00 - [94] FW does what it's supposed to do: Provide a different way to compete in pvp. I'm not in fw anymore but i like it.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:19:00 - [95] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:27:12 Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked or have their daily game/ratting time ruined. edit: What the hell is PUG aspect? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
GavinGoodrich Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.07 07:30:00 - [96] Originally by: Dorian Tormak FW does what it's supposed to do: Provide a different way to compete in pvp. I'm not in fw anymore but i like it. This sums it up nicely. It's no secret FW is left to gather dust as far as CCP's concerned, but it's still a nice venue for PVP outside of 0.0 and generally lame highsec wars. \o
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.07 14:46:00 - [97] Edited by: Mutnin on 07/02/2011 14:48:08 Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Mutnin I would love to see FW and low sec for that matter turned around and have som,e reason with-in the game mechanics to get people out of these blobs, but sadly I just don't see it happening. Of course it wont happen and there is no reason to fight over anything in low-sec either or to be a solo pilot. It's why Draketrain is in FW only for the mission yewgold because when they put up a fleet, Gallentes will stay docked because there is no reason for them to come fight. Going to 0.0 and ****caging a station with bubbles is better because it forces people to fight. Likewise i'll dock up when someone screams about a plex i'm taking and gallentes send 25 guys after me like happened this morning, though usually i'll ninja-kill one or two dudes before that. Sure, you could go bash some POS with your blob but what's the point? They cost practically nothing and if you want to deny your opponent a strategical asset, you have to plant your own afterwards and to every other vacant moon in system as well. And more likely both sides call up some bored 0.0 entities to hotdrop everyone and their mother with supercapitals. So there you have it. From FW you can get two things: Silly amount of isk and unfair ganks. There are no good fights here, like there are no good fights anywhere in Eve. Only thing which seperates it from 0.0 is that if you dont have the biggest blob around right now, it has no negative consequences as long as you dock up. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Unfortunately, this is what FW has been for me, for quite some time now. I don't really enjoy joining the big gangs and that leaves very little options, so most of my targets tend to come from pie work and I just end up using FW as my ISK machine. I've been checking out null a bit more lately and seems like there are better options for both piracy and small gang work.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 16:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.02.07 16:38:00 - [99] Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. Yes, you can jump clone to highsec and do missions. BUT WHY YOU GO TO 0.0 THEN AT ALL?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:27:00 - [100] Originally by: X Gallentius Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. I'm sure they have but then there is whole question of getting back if something comes up during the 24h timer. Hell, knowing some 0.0 alliances people might be threathened by a kick from alliance if they dont self-destrcut their mission clones and join the CTA (having their medical station in 0.0 naturally) and so on. All because some "FW N00bz came to harass them". Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:52:00 - [101] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:31:35 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:27:12 Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Or they can undock and try to fight it. edit: What the hell is PUG aspect? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Pick Up Group.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:12:00 - [102] I see Incursion as CCP's apology for the herniated abortion that was FW. FW has not actually brought anything useful to the game, and I'm glad I was finally able to tear myself away from it. FW (and one guy in this thread in particular) is a cautionary tale about what happens if you hand even a tiny bit of power over the game's canon over to people with severe mental illnesses. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I see Incursion as CCP's apology for the herniated abortion that was FW. FW has not actually brought anything useful to the game, and I'm glad I was finally able to tear myself away from it. FW (and one guy in this thread in particular) is a cautionary tale about what happens if you hand even a tiny bit of power over the game's canon over to people with severe mental illnesses. lol, fail. At least that mentally ill person (who is pretty damn good at multi-boxing btw) undocks and attempts to affect the rp history of the game through in-game actions. There are many different things to do in EvE. FW's pvp-centric focus (which is probably why the rp'ers tend to shy away from it) is one of the best.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:45:00 - [104] Thanks for proving my point almost perfectly. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.02.07 20:23:00 - [105] Originally by: X Gallentius There are many different things to do in EvE. FW's pvp-centric focus...is one of the best. I can't agree more. And, aside from the occupancy issues we've already discussed, FW has a huge upside for those of us that want to stay away from the fun-drain that is null-sec alliance life. Hopefully CCP will provide some tweaks in the future, and it will be even better, but I'm content for now.
Vixisti Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:03:00 - [106] FW is a free war dec, anything more is just roleplay. Oh almost forgot - it's a money train if you do the missions but that's not really 'war' is it.
Jabru Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:13:00 - [107] my only problem with FW currently is you can not set entire militias to -10 standings on an alt, if you could do that, id jump in there so fast it would not even be funny
BacardiDesire The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:30:00 - [108] I think FW is pretty cool! because this is the 1000st thread where gallente is claiming they do! and caldari is claiming they don't do! --- Crazy dutch mofo
Hardreign Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.12 00:15:00 - [109] Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:20:11 Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:19:49 Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:19:27 Originally by: Predator Elite Just wondering what everyone thinks of faction warfare, anything from pvp to pve (aka mission runners) feel free to post anything. I am new to factional warfare (including a dedicated player-versus-player experience). But I have to comment that my first few weeks have been fantastic, moving into lowsec and the logistics of setting up was a refreshing challenge from the level four mission grinding. Coming to understand the ecosystem of lowsec has opened the MMO experience for me; the geopolitics surrounding factional and pirate corporations as an example. Dispelling many myths that I was convinced of as a carebear regarding how to navigate lowsec, its denizens, and how to avoid typical pitfalls (read as: tarps)! But I think best of all I enjoy the culture of logging in; and there is almost always something going on. Intel channels hopping, roams, camps, PLEXing and even the simple act of undocking requires forethought. Factional warfare has re-introduced challenge and surprise to my nightly excursions. This is why I elect to remain in the war. ________________________________________ Unite the tribes. Death to the Empress.
Cunilingus Clitmaster	Posted - 2011.02.12 04:11:00 - [110] I joined FW with an alt the day Empyrean Age was released and stayed for about 18 months... The beginning was very chaotic but fun (I remember Minmatar steamrolling Amarr occupancy until a quick patch was made) Obviosuly, the occupancy system was broken from the beginning in terms of allowing docking rights in hostile militia stations regardless of occupancy. I remember CCP saying they would introduce more and more things, but wanted to watch things unfold (well - obviously not...). Militia stations should have been a generic outpost type that flips docking rights with occupancy - as it stands now, occupancy and thus plexing is still entirely pointless except to the most hardcore roleplayers who wet themselves at seeing a different coloured spot on the map. Plexing mechanics themselves were - and from what I read still are - entirely broken: Imbalanced NPCs with permajamming Caldari and Missile-Spamming Minmatar vs slow Blasterboats and Lasers that can be speedtanked in about any frig, cloaked capturing of plexes, allied militias not being engaged by hostile NPCs, plexes only spawning after DT, major differences to offensive and defensive plexing in pvp thanks to NPCs interfering - it's so FUBAR I could go on endlessly... Having that said, I didn't engage in Plexing after considering it to be completely broken. Unfortunately, with increasing organisation, blobs started to form, FCs became more and more risk averse because the good ones left and it became a pointless gate-blobbing against the same people all over again for nothing. After FW missions were introduced, I farmed them a little and then left before ruining my alts standings beyond repair. I would probably give it another go in a different faction if above issues would finaly be adressed, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it as any topic involving the words 'boobs' and 'incarna' seems to get more attention from CCP than FW. It had potential, but unfortunately is inherently broken.
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.12 16:23:00 - [111] Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters....
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.14 10:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. Yes, you can jump clone to highsec and do missions. BUT WHY YOU GO TO 0.0 THEN AT ALL? you wouldn't believe: 0.0 are the nice place for pure carebears like me and some stupid pvp-ers can't make it worse
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:00:00 - [113] Originally by: Cromwell Savage Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters.... FW is largely like this (and from other side too). All posture and smack but nothing concrete but it's not nearly as gay as the links above Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:24:00 - [114] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Cromwell Savage Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters.... FW is largely like this (and from other side too). All posture and smack but nothing concrete but it's not nearly as gay as the links above Damar Rocarion Brigadier General That ceremony clearly shows that even enemies can "temp blue" when needed A very fitting example of FW if I may say
Vannne Sannovah	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:11:00 - [115] I only joined FW because the 24th Imperial Crusade has 0% tax...
Princess Nexxala Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:36:00 - [116] Originally by: Moonshadoe It is blobby as **** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. Yes I must agree with you there. We have many mentally deficient residents of heyd that can't PVP for poo and endlessly smack talk to the dismay of many of us. I guess they have to smack to compensate for refusing to leave dock with anything but a blob backing them up. What amuses me is if a wt gang of lets say...cruisers are reported close to heyd. You will get people undocking in battleships FFS. To get a good fight lately I have had to keep intel to myself and private convo a few select pilots to come help if needed. I am quite sick of it TBH.
Dark Pangolin Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:21:00 - [117] Not quite as sick of it as those of us int he cruiser gangs are...
Dan Pyre Amarr COLD-Wing	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Dark Pangolin Not quite as sick of it as those of us in the cruiser gangs are... Dan Pyre 'likes' this! :thumbsup:
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.16 22:10:00 - [119] There is life outside the pipe. More Federation Militia pilots should base out of the Agoze area so we can blob more deserving pilots like Damar and Cosmic Raider.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:51:00 - [120] Originally by: Princess Nexxala Originally by: Moonshadoe It is blobby as **** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. Yes I must agree with you there. We have many mentally deficient residents of heyd that can't PVP for poo and endlessly smack talk to the dismay of many of us. I guess they have to smack to compensate for refusing to leave dock with anything but a blob backing them up. What amuses me is if a wt gang of lets say...cruisers are reported close to heyd. You will get people undocking in battleships FFS. To get a good fight lately I have had to keep intel to myself and private convo a few select pilots to come help if needed. I am quite sick of it TBH. From the number of kills on Caldari FW players in Minnie/Amarr FW, I have an idea that a good number of the Caldari players have joined the Amarr as they quite heavily outnumber us currently. Bring some Gall FW gangs to Minnie/Amarr space and you'll prolly find all the WTs you can't find in Gall/Caldari space.

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