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Predator Elite The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:29:00 - [1] Just wondering what everyone thinks of faction warfare, anything from pvp to pve (aka mission runners) feel free to post anything.
Othran Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:49:00 - [2] Was fine as far as it went. Sort of turned into Groundhog Day after a while though. Same corps, same spots although I saw recently that boredom levels had got so high people deployed supercaps Then again when I was there one guy used to hotdrop cruisers in a carrier - obviously only when it was safe. PVE on minnie side is stupidly easy - too easy really as it encourages mission runners rather than people who actually fight. FW in development terms is much like your distant relative who has dementia - its been put away somewhere quiet to die. Except it doesn't, just like your distant relative you hear about from time to time. Out of 10 I would give it : 6/10 for initial solo fun when you've had PvP experience; 0/10 if you're new to PvP; 0/10 for pickup fleets - never ever join one is my advice; 7/10 for corp fleets; 10/10 for PVE earning - which I never bothered with until just befor I left FW
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:51:00 - [3] I think its the best thing in eve. I'm surprised more low sec pvpers don't join it. I can't stand the stupid gcc mechanics. They could make the occupancy plexing part allot better though. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Kruger81 Caldari draketrain	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:27:00 - [4] I think it have the potesial to be the best think in EvE IMO, BUT... It is very broken... It made t1 cruisers and friggs/dessys have a place in PvP, until Pirate ships wrecked that... If plexing gave something exept standings and and chane off navy in plexes, it should be harder to "flip systems, and should do ALOT more to flipped systems, not just be a forum chest pounding thing... Plexing and it's bugs are awful, but the greates way to have small fleet/solo pvp, until pirateships ruind that... Militia Fleet PvP is im my experience (Caldari point of veiw) is mindless goto to Tama or OMS win or die... Allmost like 0,0 I love faction warefare, hate CCP for in kind words say: No, we do not give a **** about it, and have no plans to do even try to fix anything...
Othran Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:27:00 - [5] Edited by: Othran on 01/02/2011 15:27:52 Originally by: Cearain I think its the best thing in eve. I'm surprised more low sec pvpers don't join it. I can't stand the stupid gcc mechanics. They could make the occupancy plexing part allot better though. Plexing is the worst part although for a while last year there were back and forth fights in Minnie/Amarr space that were quite fun. Not that most people in FW ever see them cos they all happen (or happened, dunno now probably the same) in the 1-4 hours after DT. TBH its still quite limiting in terms of mechanics available in null. Also what you have to realise about a lot of lowsec "pirates" is that they're often alts/mains of people who don't like null-sec politics/warfare and/or are moving alliance/area. They don't want more "reds" usually, they just want easy ganks while not having to think about what they're doing, which is pretty much what most of them do in null-sec, except there's no 2-3 hour wait in low-sec
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Cearain .. They could make the occupancy plexing part allot better though. Could? Way to mild a phrase to use FW is pretty awesome for learning the ropes in PvP, especially the size restrictions on plexes is a huge boon. RvB has a similar function just without the size restriction (other than honour I guess) and potential for pirate interruptions. We are even getting there drama wise, some juicy faeces flying around some times
Othran Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:44:00 - [7] Edited by: Othran on 01/02/2011 15:45:12 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida FW is pretty awesome for learning the ropes in PvP No its not. Really its about the worst place you can imagine for "learning the ropes in PvP" if you are not in an established FW corp. The pickup fleets (if they still happen) are fodder and most of the people in them don't have a clue what's going on. They get warped about and eventually dumped at a range that presumably suits the "FC" cos it makes no sense otherwise. Then they die or warp off. A few stick, most don't. I'm not even going to touch on spies/alts etc. RvB is a better option for people starting PvP who don't like the idea of solo.
Predator Elite The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 01/02/2011 15:45:12 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida FW is pretty awesome for learning the ropes in PvP No its not. Really its about the worst place you can imagine for "learning the ropes in PvP" if you are not in an established FW corp. The pickup fleets (if they still happen) are fodder and most of the people in them don't have a clue what's going on. They get warped about and eventually dumped at a range that presumably suits the "FC" cos it makes no sense otherwise. Then they die or warp off. A few stick, most don't. I'm not even going to touch on spies/alts etc. RvB is a better option for people starting PvP who don't like the idea of solo. I do pick up fleets with the amarr militia and if I feel that you are to young or not expericenced enough I will drop you from fleet in a heartbeat.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.01 15:53:00 - [9] In general I love FW. Really, really wish they'd fix plexes though. At their best, plex fights are like alliance tourney battles. The fact that they only occur immediately after downtime is ******ed beyond belief. Can it really be that hard to sort out?
Othran Ad Infernum	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Predator Elite I do pick up fleets with the amarr militia and if I feel that you are to young or not expericenced enough I will drop you from fleet in a heartbeat. That's cool and as it should be. You should be telling them why though and I hope you are. However how is the "I've just joined FW, what next?" character supposed to know who is a decent FC, who is incompetent and who is simply an alt for the other side? The worst thing CCP ever did was that stupid Atari promo that gave instant access to FW. Anyone who played in low-sec could have told them how that was going to go The problem for PvP in general is that for the average (real, not bot) account it seems to be this total disconnect between PVE and PvP. PvP fits will work well enough for most PVE jobs - but be a lot slower - and PVE fits melt horribly in front of a PvP fit. Anyway like I said FW is dead in dev terms so what's there is there. Good or bad.

LoneAetos	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:18:00 - [11] I like faction warfare, its a fun part of the game that can be done on the cheap if you don't mind running a bit. Overall I think the thing that plagues FW most though is 1.) Paranoia of spies. Most people in the militias act like if you don't know the person in life, or have three notarized letters of recomendation then you can't trust them. It was the reason I left FW on my alt, I was in a corp for three months, had fought and lost many suicide tacklers for them, and one day they informed me they thought I was a spy o_O 2.) Lack of small pvp. Theres a few exceptions (Some Caldari son of a gun in a rupture that plexes in minnie space.) But overall its either people who run from pvp, peopel who station game, or people who blob : \
Zoarial	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:26:00 - [12] Honestly its probly the best place for constant pvp with markets to fit ships and not have to wait until some indy toon can get it to you. Fw its the perfect cross between null sec pvp and lowsec pvp you dont have titans DD every five mins ruing cap fleet but yet they still get cap fleets in FW, you have great FC's including minmatar (ik what i wrote and ill probly die for writing that but its true they are good we're better :D but their good) you get fleets that will try to ship up or down based apon the enemy fleet as for best counter it truly is the best the only down side is...third party pvp for far to long you get guys like bane alliance and star faction to come in and help out one side or another or even worse just jump in to get easy kills from the side while minmatar and amarr are having a half way fair fight. If there was a way to get that to stop it would make Fw perfect but at the same time it would ruin it becuse the fact that others can do that is what makes eve, eve. So in eve i couldnt imagine a better pvp zone and for mission runners LP rewards make the effort all the worth it.
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.02.01 16:47:00 - [13] I have enjoyed FW immensely. Coming from null-sec and all the alliance overhead, the freedom enjoyed in FW is a breath of fresh air. If the plexes are considered a means to create PvP, they can really be enjoyable given the restrictions placed on them. I do wish that CCP made system occupancy mean something though. I also wish there was a change to disallow super caps in low sec as well. That being said, there's plenty of money to be made to keep you in ships, and the PvP has been, at least in my experience, pretty competitive and fun. I'm in Caldari FW in NA TZ, so that may affect my experience. Its basically like being in NPC null-sec, without bubbles. The perma-wardec and numbers of outlaw pirates give you plenty of shooting opportunities. That being said, I think FW was a great idea that needs some small adjustments, but overall, I consider it good game content on CCP's part.
Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.02.01 17:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Muad ''dib on 01/02/2011 17:20:37 i love FW. Been playing eve for the best part of 7 years, and all i ever wanted to do (once i had made myself some steady money) was to fight other players and mostly ones that want to fight me back Tryed high sec war decs: too comfy, too many neutral reppers and such - yawn Tryed 0.0 : not enough good fights often enough, too many super large blobs, not enough that you can make happen on your own or with a small gang. didnt enjoy being ordered to CTA and such, LOL at logging on after an alarm goes off at 4am to shoot at a pos (most re tar ded thing i ever heard) Tryed piracy: not bad, but targets often arnt there to fight back, and sec standing, ggc rules and such made it very difficult and ofc servere isk income issues.. :( ...and thats why im here in fw \o/ EDIT: its far from perfect, it just best suits me as a play style. Meep Meep!
Tim Lincecum Es No Bueno	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:22:00 - [15] I love FW because I only have a few hours to play here and there most of the time. I can load up and go find a fight almost immediately. I know everyone hates plexes, but I think they're great for killing time while you wait for a fleet and you may even get a fight while you're there. I'm slowing learning how to PVP at my own pace and don't have to roam endless systems to get a fight. I hear about "it's always the same people, blah blah" but I like that too. Mostly everyone I've met is incredibly nice and helpful, in fact I get more help from our enemies than my own faction! Everyone except you Pred of course for kicking me out of your BS fleet last night for bringing an AF (Someday I'll be able to afford a BS!) Honestly though, if you don't have all day to play, FW is sweet for getting your feet wet.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:45:00 - [16] When it started out and people would actually fight over the plexes it was a great thing and I enjoyed it a lot. After a while though people stopped caring about plex fights and it turned into mostly gate fights and the same old bring fleet - they reship - you reship - they reship - you reship - everyone in battleships and one side has more routine. More and more capital usage did its thing as well, and it fell flat on its face in short order. It could need a major overhaul to get it back on track as far as the initial idea is concerned I think.
Vyktor Abyss Abyss Research	Posted - 2011.02.01 20:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Lilith Velkor When it started out and people would actually fight over the plexes it was a great thing and I enjoyed it a lot. After a while though people stopped caring about plex fights and it turned into mostly gate fights and the same old bring fleet - they reship - you reship - they reship - you reship - everyone in battleships and one side has more routine. More and more capital usage did its thing as well, and it fell flat on its face in short order. It could need a major overhaul to get it back on track as far as the initial idea is concerned I think. This, pretty much. Add to that the Darwinian evolution with things like "spies" forcing players not to trust their own militia and pushing everyone into big corps (nearly killing solo pvp) kind of killed the "fun" sign-up-and-pew that was the early FW. FCs that actually take out the militia scrubs are fewer and fewer and it has become a mission runner haven with some of the easiest high reward, low risk missions around (unless your Gallente who get their stealth bombers permajammed to hell by NPCs). Occupancy was always a joke. CCP failed hard when it designed that mechanic because it has absolutely no impact on the game environment, making "plexing" pointless. Overall FW was fun but has become a mouldy rancid piece of cheese that has began to stink since it has been ignored by CCP pretty much since inception. You can have much more fun as a pirate.
Fennisair Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.01 21:03:00 - [18] Gotta say I'm really enjoying it. It got me over my initial "fear" of lowsec and opened up a larger part of EVE to me when I was younger. I agree that being in general militia is suck-ass when you start. Especially if you're a young/low-skilled char and 1v1's aren't always an option (or at least winning them isn't :P ). If you can get into a good corp it really makes a big difference (same could be said for most aspects of EVE though I think). As to the PvE aspect of FW... yeah it's really a bit easy on the Minmatar side (not that I want that to change just now thanks :P ). There really needs to be some work put into FW to balance a few things out and improve all the "system occupancy" stuff. As far as beginners go... I'd recommend RvB to anyone who asks. A really good way to get into PvP with less cost/risk but not totally hand-holding easiness (at least wasn't when I did it). A much more easy-going and fun way to get started in PVP!
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.01 22:39:00 - [19] FW has/had a lot of promise, but as usual it's just one more part of EVE that has long been ignored by CCP development. It really needs a ton of bug fixes and possibly some changes/fine tuning of game mechanics with-in FW. Personally I'd love to see a "reason" to fight over systems and a better system of doing so. This could "maybe" get people to do something beside create biggest blob possible and camp gates all the time. It would be awesome to actually have a place to get small gang warfare that didn't revolve around doing nothing but having 30+ ships randomly ganking some unlucky guy that jumped through the wrong gate.
Feyona Locus Industries	Posted - 2011.02.01 22:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Feyona on 01/02/2011 22:53:07 I enjoy it for the most part. Combat is way more frequent than when I have been out in 0.0. I do have to say having been in it for a few years now it certainly feels like a rut; I've gotten burned out on it. Part of the problem is fighting the same people over and over again - once you kill each other so many times, it really begins to lose any sort of meaning, even as far as proving who's 'better.' For me, at least, beyond a few people I really dislike, it has lost the sense of a 'war' and turned into a gentlemanly sparring match with old friends, because we've been killing each other for so long. Once side blobs the other blah blah. It just doesn't matter. It needs a rework or something fresh, EVE isn't supposed to feel like a friendly game of chess or a boxing match in my opinion. Also, militia drama gets really old after a while; it's a GIVEN that there are spies on both sides. In the Huola <-> Auga theater, they're not even really NECESSARY to have a constant idea of what the enemy's fleet composition and position are. Something needs to change; maybe the mechanic behind taking systems and the consequences thereof. But I don't really believe that's the problem, the real issue seems to be that there is no new blood in FW, at least not significantly, to shake things up, and there hasn't been in over a year. So perhaps we (meaning all of us who partake in it) need to come up with a way to get more people interested. Also, as a player who plays with a single account the majority of the time, I find the Gallente/Amarr missions to be unbalanced, as the Caldari and Minmatar ones are soloable in an SB and the former really are not, although Gallente missions are in a way worse state than Amarr of course. Makes it kind of annoying making money if you're blinky or don't wanna go to hisec and mission run. I think they need to look at the balance. This has been a complaint since FW started, even with the plexes, and seems totally ridiculous to me.

Willl Adama Judicio Sine Misericordia	Posted - 2011.02.02 00:14:00 - [21] It's ok for solo or small gang pvp if you know what your are doing. The problem is that it quickly gets the same faces, fights and situations all over. Hence, if you are any good you'll end up being blobbed in most fights. The FW missions are kinda fun compared to insanely boring hi-sec carebearing.
Deerin Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:59:00 - [22] I recently joined FW and can say that it is very much fun. FW plexes provide ways for ships of similar sizes to have an engagement. You get to learn how to live and survive in Low-Sec. Still, I believe there must be way to introduce new players to FW concept. As it stands right now a brand new player joining the game and going to lowsec for FW = Brand new player killed, podded and discouraged. Giving rewards for system occupancy would be a great way to increase the motivation of people in FW. Just like incursions, give us a FW tab, make people gather Victory points as usual and keep track of it in that tab. When a system is conquered, reward those Victory points as Militia Loyalty points(multiplied by a factor maybe) for the pilots who participated in contesting it. Oh and tone down the pirate frigs!!! I hate warping away everytime I see a dram on shortscan. ------------------------------------------- Die Amarr Die!!!
Gordin Brott Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:26:00 - [23] I primarily like FW because there isn't any obligation to be constantly active. You can pretty much drop in and out as the fancy takes you. As for plexing, yes, it is a terrible mechanic. The post-DT spawns mean there is usually an hour or two of frantic activity by those who happen to be online then, followed by 22 hours of pretty much nothing. Properly randomising plex spawns would in my opinion create a much better environment for small gang pvp. As for the pirate ships, they should at the very least be counted as T2 hulls for the purpose of gaining access to plexes.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:47:00 - [24] i'm interested in FW for several months. Tried to gather some information. But all i got is: FW is just pvp in high-sec. And little rumors about missions or something. And info that after you join militia you get your faction standings dropped fast. With this picture FW doesn't look interesting... First i found FW i was dreaming about real faction wars with capturing and defending systems in company with faction Navy fleets. It wold be nice to read news like: esterday Gallente forces made sneaky attack and captured system XXX, about NNN capsuleer militians took part in this war. But Eve universe looks static (or i don't know how to look at it): with faction wars and big navy fleets on gates i never heard about 1 system changed its owners, about 1 system changed its security level or something.....
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:25:00 - [25] Best thing about FW is the fact that its a huge free war dec with lots of stuff to shoot at.
chatgris Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:35:00 - [26] Edited by: chatgris on 02/02/2011 12:35:30 Love the concept behind plexing (size restrictions puts an interesting twist on eve), hate that CCP completely ruined the implementation. - Imbalanced NPC's - Plexes getting stuck until the next downtime - Pirate ships ruining the size restrictions (they should be put up a level) - No reward for plexing Otherwise, it's a big free wardec which results in more activity than nullsec. Especially since most of the people are there because they want to pvp (I prefer the concensual nature of pvp instead of just hunting bears in nullsec that want to rat). Big plus is that you don't have any reason to need to log in to defend at any time - you can take time off, come back, everything is still in your station which you have full access to etc.
Hidden Snake Caldari Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Kruger81 I think it have the potesial to be the best think in EvE IMO, BUT... It is very broken... It made t1 cruisers and friggs/dessys have a place in PvP, until Pirate ships wrecked that... If plexing gave something exept standings and and chane off navy in plexes, it should be harder to "flip systems, and should do ALOT more to flipped systems, not just be a forum chest pounding thing... Plexing and it's bugs are awful, but the greates way to have small fleet/solo pvp, until pirateships ruind that... Militia Fleet PvP is im my experience (Caldari point of veiw) is mindless goto to Tama or OMS win or die... Allmost like 0,0 I love faction warefare, hate CCP for in kind words say: No, we do not give a **** about it, and have no plans to do even try to fix anything... this ... plus some politics drama over it if u want to learn pvp ... try it ...
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:35:00 - [28] Originally by: chatgris - Imbalanced NPC's. Again, why do you care because past actions have shown you just turn them to shoot the defenders anyway? I also see you have joined TLF. I quess this is due to "no additional spawn" thing which Val complains about. Of course dont pay attention to fact your militia did that thing long ago along with standings bug which was mastered by Val & Ankh. We just took page from your playbook and copied it. But it's fun to see you turn into very things you claim to hate. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Meytal	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:57:00 - [29] I don't participate in FW, but I've travelled through FW space (mostly Amarr/Minnie) many times for various reasons, including looking for fights. Recently I also went with a small (4-member) gang through a part of Gallente FW space looking for fights. As an outsider, my overall impression is that FW space is dead. Only one time did I bump into a roaming gang of about 5-6 Minnie (I think) FW pilots ... they cautioned against an Amarr group nearby. Other times when people actually were in system, and not just passing through, I never saw them. Maybe they were docked, maybe they were in some plex/mission, or maybe they were at their POS. Wherever they were, it wasn't a gate or a belt, though a lot of rats at the belts were dead ... easy ratting in FW space but run even when a pod is passing through? Either way, FW space was boring for the non-participant just out looking for fights, which I guess adds credibility to the people claiming FW PVE is easy and unobstructed. I'd be interested in FW if it didn't mean I'd lose standing with the enemy faction so fast. Unlike security status, it's much harder to re-gain Empire standing. I may not go to some parts of Empire space, but I don't want to be denied the ability to go there unless I do a lot of tedious grinding. But for the vastly limited "consequences" this game has, at least it has standing hits. And I'm surprised it does, given the trend away from actions having no consequences that is so prevalent in this game.
chatgris Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:01:00 - [30] Edited by: chatgris on 02/02/2011 14:05:05 Ahh, I haven't had a good damar post for a while. The nostalgia :) Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: chatgris - Imbalanced NPC's. Again, why do you care because past actions have shown you just turn them to shoot the defenders anyway? If you recall, I was not online for said incident you shall "never forget", and to the best of my knowledge I have never turned npc's, not even by accident. Originally by: Damar Rocarion I also see you have joined TLF. I quess this is due to "no additional spawn" thing which Val complains about. Of course dont pay attention to fact your militia did that thing long ago along with standings bug which was mastered by Val & Ankh. We just took page from your playbook and copied it. Actually, I am trying out the amarr/minmatar warzone. Running minmatar FW missions in a pvp fit drake, testing the waters. I have no intention to sink to your (or ankh's) level. I plan to join in on plex fights if they occur when I am around (which is very unlikely to happen when I am in the TLF since I did so to participate in the amarr/minmatar warzone). I'll be surprised if I end up in a single gallente/caldari plex during this vacation of mine. Originally by: Damar Rocarion But it's fun to see you turn into very things you claim to hate. That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere.

Mazer Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:11:00 - [31] Faction warfare is excellent when both sides are willing to fight. One of the many problems with faction warfare is when you get a couple fleets going you get a back and forth of ship-ups or X's to the point where its obvious one side is more powerful than the other, then the weaker fleet ends up docking up or leaving the area. Or you get two large fleets that would potentially make a great fight then one side brings in all their 0.0 buddies and totally turns the table, its ridiculous. This concept is part of EVE, the bigger fleet basically "won", but they get nothing for it. They don't really get to claim that victory, they just get blue balls. The idea behind the plex system is great, it allows players to "pvp" without the worry of having to ship-up if someone tries to bring something bigger to the fight and it kind-a-sort-a-maybe gives the sense of territory control. The problem with plexing is there is no great incentive for the people who do faction warfare to capture these plexes, effectively negating the whole idea. If a faction ends up stealing a system they get nothing other than the fact that a few words are changed around in the sov. tab, woopdy-friggin-doo! CCP has given us a little bone when it comes to plexing (small amounts of LP), but they really need to revamp the whole system to make it so people want to do plexes, so people want to capture systems for their militia. The PVE aspects are fun, at least from the minmatar side. Like someone said earlier, the missions really feel like missions, hit and run type situations. And the risk of running into a gate camp or the possibility of some pvp while you're doing the missions makes them that much better. As far as third parties becoming involved in FW, its part of EVE IMO. I can ***** about it all I want, but when it comes down to it if your enemy has to bring in help then its kudos to you. And whats stopping you from bringing in your own help? Spies are another thing that plagues FW, since anyone can join the militia its made the general militia populace entirely untrustworthy. Like LoneAetos said, its very hard for someone new to FW to gain the trust of the "in-groups" that control most of the bigger fights. I remember when I first started out I was very frustrated by this fact. I guess there's really no way around it, they could put restrictions on accounts so your alts cant be in opposing faction corps, but plenty of people have secondary accounts so its something you just have to deal with. I think the FW community is going to really have to push CCP and the CSM persistently if they're going to want to see any changes. Faction warfare has been out for what, 5 years now? And while there have been some improvements its pretty much the same thing it was when they released it.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull****, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Igloo Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull****, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General So much hate for TLF. Very sad
chatgris Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:51:00 - [34] Edited by: chatgris on 02/02/2011 18:57:37 Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull**, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) I don't have any control over what my fleet members say in local, I requested they ignored. It was miraculous enough that I got them to not shoot you during our fleets blueing. On the topic of people saying things in local, the very creation of SLAPD was partly due to this - they want to be free to smack talk however they want. I don't approve of a lot of what they say. I was personally disappointed by a lot of their earlier behaviour before we knew you were in FG's fleet (though the outpouring of DAMAR CARES stuff in local was quite hilarious and technically, we were expressing friendly words :) ). I don't like to see my militia stoop to the level of local talk that you use, but again, I have no control over the matter. Originally by:** Damar Rocarion And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. LOL! The thread is mostly SLAPD, started by SLAPD, and titled "From SLAPD to all". There are very very few posts from QCATS in it, two of them are onezen asking wth happenned and me answering. Yet you attribute it to QCATS? I cannot think of a clearer SLAPD thread in all of the forums. Anyways, congratulations on ****ting on yet another fw thread that had nothing to do with you.
BolsterBomb	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull****, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General You have issues dude................btw HAPPY DAMAR DAY
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:06:00 - [36] Originally by: chatgris It was miraculous enough that I got them to not shoot you during our fleets blueing. So basicly you had alt in Caldari fleet which you would have used to warp at 0 at me and hope I was sitting still (I was not) or how did you expect to have your fleet lay down divine wrath on a cloaky recon sitting 100km off from you without devhax (which you might have). Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
chatgris Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 19:07:27 Originally by: chatgris It was miraculous enough that I got them to not shoot you during our fleets blueing. So basicly you had alt in Caldari fleet which you would have used to warp at 0 at me and hope I was sitting still (I was not) or how did you expect to have your fleet lay down divine wrath on a cloaky recon sitting 100km off from you without devhax (which you might have)? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General RL obligations prevent me from further continuing this, but before it gets out of hand - it would be more accurate to state "got my fleet to agree not to shoot you should they see you". Also, devhax?! That's easily the best damar accusation I've heard all year! What's next, accusations of spawning plexes to flip key systems?
K0n Fus10n Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.02.02 20:35:00 - [38] I love how all these FW threads always devolve into a few people arguing over the same old sh... err, stuff. To add to the thread, FW is fun - try it out. Also, TLF is good people. o7 Cheers!
Mazer Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:01:00 - [39] Originally by: K0n Fus10n I love how all these FW threads always devolve into a few people arguing over the same old sh... err, stuff. I agree, people should be able to put aside their differences and actually post something that contributes to the topic rather than bickering. Originally by: K0n Fus10n TLF is good people. o7 Back to the topic at hand, what other improvements do you all think could be made to the FW system?
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:10:00 - [40] FW is the only part of eve that really allows casual PvP. It's not perfect (sov should mean something even if just a minor reduction in FW mission LP rewards, because then they would fight like crazy over sov) but it's the only way I personally can square to play the game with my RL job and time limits.

James Sarum	Posted - 2011.02.02 23:01:00 - [41] CCP needs to trow in some of those negative effects you get from incursion into FW occupancy system. Like reduction of station services in space wich is occupied by a hostile militia. Same reward ssytem should also be installed in FW plexing. And plexing should give empire standing, not just corp standing.
Oathborne Caldari Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.02 23:59:00 - [42] Originally by: James Sarum CCP needs to trow in some of those negative effects you get from incursion into FW occupancy system. Like reduction of station services in space wich is occupied by a hostile militia. Same reward sytem should also be installed in FW plexing. And plexing should give empire standing, not just corp standing. This.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.02.03 01:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Feyona Edited by: Feyona on 01/02/2011 22:53:07 ...For me, at least, beyond a few people I really dislike, it has lost the sense of a 'war' and turned into a gentlemanly sparring match with old friends, because we've been killing each other for so long. .... Something needs to change; maybe the mechanic behind taking systems and the consequences thereof. But I don't really believe that's the problem, the real issue seems to be that there is no new blood in FW, at least not significantly, to shake things up, and there hasn't been in over a year. So perhaps we (meaning all of us who partake in it) need to come up with a way to get more people interested. Also, as a player who plays with a single account the majority of the time, I find the Gallente/Amarr missions to be unbalanced, ... Good points all. As far as new blood I think fw gets allot of bad press. There are many reasons for this 1) allot of people who end up not liking fw were new to pvp and 2) Many people never tried it, 3) many people claim they want good fights but really donÆt and 4) the plexing occupancy mechanic is buggy and this gets translated as ôFW is broken.ö One problem for fwÆs image is it draws people in to start pvp. Allot of people will find eve pvp is not their bag. They wonÆt be able to budget how many ships they can lose etc. So they will blame fw. Very few people who are used to null sec pvp go into fw and complain that there are too many blobs in fw. It seems like every time you hear of fw on podcasts or blogs its negative. They hear about the bugs and assume its ôbrokenö and only for lolrpers. Solution: if you see people saying fw is terrible correct them. Just direct them to this thread. Other than the balance issues FW missions are perfect. I fly for the amarr. I think they are what all low sec missions should be like. Hit and run missions for allot of lp and unique items. CCP really got it right with fw missions. If they are going to leave the missions unbalanced give more decent items that are unique to each faction. Faction armor plates that are almost as good as meta 4 arenÆt really cutting it. People should be rewarded for doing plexing but the whole militia should not really gain. If the ôconsequencesö for occupancy are too big then everyone will just join the winning team and the unbalance will snowball. I just wish I knew where people were plexing instead of having to warp around looking for everyone. The plexes should be available and fought over 23/7. It should call for many people to be in many different places at once in different sized ships. I think fw is ignored by ccp because we rarely get onboard for any specific issue. ItÆs hard to get people to support specific fw ideas in assembly hall. The specific ideas just sort of drop. Meanwhile people who want to change the height or bloodline of their avatar get all the supports. Hopefully we will get someone on csm 6 interested in fw. It could really give eve a boost if they get the plex fights reinvigorated. LOL I think Damar and Chatgris will be 75 years old and still arguing about who used exploits in fw war in 2008. I just donÆt like pve so I donÆt do plexes. The only reason I go in plexes now is so I donÆt get blobbed. I generally move away from the button/rats so they donÆt start attacking me or whoring my killmails. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.02.03 01:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Oathborne Originally by: James Sarum CCP needs to trow in some of those negative effects you get from incursion into FW occupancy system. Like reduction of station services in space wich is occupied by a hostile militia. Same reward sytem should also be installed in FW plexing. And plexing should give empire standing, not just corp standing. This. The consequences can't be that big or I think people would just keep joining the winning side. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.03 04:20:00 - [45] Originally by: James Sarum And plexing should give empire standing, not just corp standing. But it does give empire standing via promotions... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
James Sarum	Posted - 2011.02.03 05:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: James Sarum And plexing should give empire standing, not just corp standing. But it does give empire standing via promotions... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General One time only, does you no good really in the long run
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.03 06:06:00 - [47] Edited by: X Gallentius on 03/02/2011 06:06:07 FW is pure win. Free war dec. Check Massive income via missions. Check. Unlimited supply of nearly free Federation Navy Comets. Check. What else would you want?
Super Chair Caldari Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:15:00 - [48] I really like FW because there isn't some slave driving alliance leader breathing down your neck if you decide to have a life and not show up to ten hour CTAs. There's a lotta good people to fight against wether you're Caldari or Gallente. And there's good isk from the missions. The only downside is that the populations are so random in the lowsec around Cal/Gal lowsec. Sometimes you'll have fights every few jumps, other times you don't see any action no matter how hard you look all night.
BolsterBomb	Posted - 2011.02.03 16:52:00 - [49] One of the things I think is absolutely awesoem about FW is that it is a giant alliance in itself. Most the gallente corps fly together. I rarely fly a corp only roam. Which is neat because I work/know/and play with tons of players instead of a few set guys. It really doesnt matter what corp you're in because you're flying with tons of different corps at the same time. In FW corps arent the be all end all. They do have their pros and cons and have their unique flavor in them, but it is not as important as being in null.
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.02.03 21:27:00 - [50] Originally by: James Sarum One time only, does you no good really in the long run If you keep running missions and go through all the promotions, you'll wind up having a personal standing with your faction that will allow you to run just about every agent in your faction, including some level 5's. That's a powerful tool. That being said, I think everyone will agree that changing the Occupancy mechanic to matter would take FW towards a 95% solution. I personally feel its a bit daft that I can dock up at a Gallente station. My suggestion would be that if I'm in Caldari FW, that I shouldn't have access to any station in Gallente or Minmatar occupied space. Nothing--no agents, no services, no docking rights, period. Make it just like null-sec sovereignty in that the faction that has occupancy over a system is the only one that has access to the stations. The only difference being that you can't establish cyno jammers, jump bridges, etc. Further, no super caps allowed in FW low-sec space. If these two changes were made, FW might still have a few quirks, but the overall intent expressed originally by CCP would be met, and we'd all be in for the fight of our lives... That being said, I still enjoy FW as it exists--would just enjoy it more if the changes were made.

X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.03 21:44:00 - [51] You shouldn't have access to an FDU station, like I shouldn't have access to a State Protectorate Station. Station guns should shoot you too. Militia station soverereignty should change if that system is occupied too. Otherwise, any other corporation's stations should remain as is, and free for everybody to use.
Mithril Ryder Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.03 21:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull****, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General This man, He is Mad. In all serious Damar is mad, as in "Mad as a hatter", as in (for certain children who need things explained in very small words) crazy. Anyways, there were at least 30 people in fleet (more?) most of them decided to chatter in local, I wouldn't call that "spamming" local so much as many people talking. Regardless, what most people were saying was not offensive, and quite a bit was (at first) out of what I would describe as honest shock at the situation. You made inflammatory remarks in local, some responded to that. You soon blocked (most?) everyone, and then continued to talk to people in local that could literally no longer talk back to you. You are seemingly unable to realize that despite Chatgris' fantasy, he is not the glorious leader of all corps in Heyd. (Just kidding Chat, I know you wouldn't want that, heh). While many in SLAPD are former 'cats, they are their own corp, with their own leadership, rules and etc. If you wish to moan about that thread, do so to the proper people. Kthksbye. Further, which chat was the FC at the time, he has about the same control over the fleet as any other FC does. Which is little to none if the fleet members are unwilling or unable to co-operate (your FCs have a number of control problems of their own, including fire control...). And last but not least. The old "for every action" often holds true for the actions of people. Even if the reaction is not equal, or exactly opposite there usually is some reaction. Your own personal behaviour, which includes your action and speech, has been of such a nature as to cause people to react. Now, since this is eve and not "fluffy pink horses online" not everyone is going to choose the "high road" and simply let it go, say nice things, go and tell mommy etc. Some people are going to, as a result of your actions, react with anger, hostility, pity, sarcastic humor etc. Just as you chose to react to what others have done, they chose to react to what you have done. At a certain point, neither party is without blame. One thing I have come to believe with relative certainty is that you (your persona that you RP, or as a person) live quite firmly in your own world which is fully true to you in your own mind.
Von Hesse	Posted - 2011.02.03 22:40:00 - [53] Originally by: X Gallentius You shouldn't have access to an FDU station, like I shouldn't have access to a State Protectorate Station. Station guns should shoot you too. Militia station soverereignty should change if that system is occupied too. Otherwise, any other corporation's stations should remain as is, and free for everybody to use. Why? If a system has a Caldari NPC corp station, why would they allow Gallente FW corp access? For example, if a system has a Caldari FW station, a Caldari Navy station, and a Lai Dai station, they should all prevent Gallente and Minmatar from docking and vice-versa. Now, if there was a CONCORD station in system, I might see keeping it open for everyone...
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.03 23:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Von Hesse Why? If a system has a Caldari NPC corp station, why would they allow Gallente FW corp access?... The same reason corporations are more than willing to deal with dictators and other nefarious types in the real world: Profit. Would make sense for the militia and navy associated corps to deny docking, but for all the others one must assume they are in it for the ISK. Could form the basis of a glorious jig-saw for CCP. Shuffle stations around in the FW zones to make "dead" pockets where an opposing militia has no safe harbour .. oldschool rabbit hunts have always been a hoot
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.03 23:38:00 - [55] Edited by: Mutnin on 03/02/2011 23:38:37 Originally by: X Gallentius What else would you want? I could think of something.. I'd like WT's that undock fly something besides Drams, go for roams looking for fights that don't require also having 20 other guys sitting on the other side of the gate prior to engaging something. I know it's a tall order but damn there is a extreme lack of soloers from the Gallente side. The very few that do run around never leave their Dramiels, Cynabals & Vagabonds. I would just love to get fights from time to time against Gallente Cruisers/BC's that didn't always end with them calling in 20+ to ***** on a KM. That's what I'd like.. I know it's a tall order and asking a lot, but perhaps you guys could live on the risky side once in a while.
betterdent The Dark Horses.	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:40:00 - [56] It's PVP for people who cant think, or have a hard time understanding the game mechanics. I'll take any decent high-sec war-dec corp outnumbered 3-1 against a FW blob anyday.
Jodie Amille Rape of Virtue	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:44:00 - [57] I think fw suffers a bit with having way too many stations, personally. It's too easy for people to reship or dock if they don't want to fight and it's very hard to actually force a fight anywhere without dedicating 2-3 of your gang to being in fast-lock inties, which(if you like running small gangs) takes a big chunk of "engage-ability" out of your gang should you run into a gang your size or larger. Add this to the fact that people are inherently risk-adverse(regardless of the massive income tool of fw agents) and it just gets silly. Case in point, I was running a 4 person faction/t2 frig gang around heyd and a wt cane warped to the gate. Smelled like bait but we jumped after it and engaged. At half armor in comes a blackbird and dram, then a SFI a bit later. Was pretty lol. Another problem is that in 2008 and early 2009, you could kind of combat the blobs with less people with higher SP's using nano, snipe hac's etc, but now everyone and their dog runs t2/faction/pirate in the first place so it's a much harder thing to do. I think the average sp is a lot higher in fw than it used to be and any roaming gang can be immediately hard-countered(and probably outnumbered). FW was absolutely awesome in 2008 and early 09. I've had the best fights of my life fighting for plexes, regardless of timezone back then. But now no one cares about it and it's the same old bait 'n blob on gates or stations or gatecamping. --------
Jodie Amille Rape of Virtue	Posted - 2011.02.04 00:46:00 - [58] Originally by: betterdent It's PVP for people who cant think, or have a hard time understanding the game mechanics. I'll take any decent high-sec war-dec corp outnumbered 3-1 against a FW blob anyday. lol. Keep neutral rr-ing about it and hugging them stations --------
Montmazar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:50:00 - [59] Edited by: Montmazar on 04/02/2011 01:53:01 I have life obligations that often keep me from logging in for weeks or even months at a time, and as such, FW really is the only option for PVP. Thankfully, I like it. At least in my theater of operations (Amarr/Minmatar) and timezone (late US), people on both sides seem generally friendly and relaxed. Unlike the above posters who would appreciate more acrimony, I see this as a game, and am very repulsed by those who have a lot of emotional investment in it. Unfortunately, fittings police, calling people "noob" and general rage in local are everywhere in EVE pvp, but in FW, perhaps due to being looked down on by the nullsec serious business types, has a lot less of that kind of behavior than nullsec or god forbid, high sec (the worst place in EVE). Plexes are pointless, but in late US they barely exist anyway, so that's not a big issue that affects me personally. I would like to see occupancy matter, and have never understood why I am allowed to dock in Amarr militia stations moments after killing Amarr navy NPCs or Amarr militia players. In my ideal world, that would change. But also in my ideal world, the means for changing systems wouldn't be orbiting a button for 30 minutes. That is boring. I like the gates restricting certain ship classes, but the buttons are dull. Also, the current overpower and overdistribution of pirate frigs does make a mockery of the ship restrictions anyway. FW missions pay too well, if anything. I feel like I'm cheating, when I come back from one hour of travel and one hour of missions (during which I mostly chatted and messed around on facebook or looked at ****) and make enough LP for hundreds of millions of isk, with almost no risk to my ship. That's pretty nuts. But, it's not overrun with mission runners, proving once again that no amount of isk will entice highsec bears to risk lowsec and the mean people therein. I would like to see more mission variation.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:53:00 - [60] Edited by: Mutnin on 04/02/2011 01:55:43 Originally by: Jodie Amille I think fw suffers a bit with having way too many stations, personally. It's too easy for people to reship or dock if they don't want to fight and it's very hard to actually force a fight anywhere without dedicating 2-3 of your gang to being in fast-lock inties, which(if you like running small gangs) takes a big chunk of "engage-ability" out of your gang should you run into a gang your size or larger. Add this to the fact that people are inherently risk-adverse(regardless of the massive income tool of fw agents) and it just gets silly. Case in point, I was running a 4 person faction/t2 frig gang around heyd and a wt cane warped to the gate. Smelled like bait but we jumped after it and engaged. At half armor in comes a blackbird and dram, then a SFI a bit later. Was pretty lol. Another problem is that in 2008 and early 2009, you could kind of combat the blobs with less people with higher SP's using nano, snipe hac's etc, but now everyone and their dog runs t2/faction/pirate in the first place so it's a much harder thing to do. I think the average sp is a lot higher in fw than it used to be and any roaming gang can be immediately hard-countered(and probably outnumbered). FW was absolutely awesome in 2008 and early 09. I've had the best fights of my life fighting for plexes, regardless of timezone back then. But now no one cares about it and it's the same old bait 'n blob on gates or stations or gatecamping. This TBH for the most part.. granted I didn't start in 08 but I know FW and low sec was a much different animal back even in 09. I'll also second you on the whole risk adverse thing. It's seriously like wtf is wrong with PVP anymore. It used to not be hard, to find "decent" fights, (fights not ** gank-mails) now days it's almost next to impossible. I mean hell I go out of my way to stick to T1 ship hulls and even then it's extremely hard to get fights. Hell last week I spent 3 hours just going all over the Gallente back systems and even Hey/OMS in a damn Rifter, trying to get a fight and ended up docking up with out engaging a single target. The only Wt that even red boxed me was a Arti fit Dram that wouldn't even get with-in 20km it was just sad TBFH. I *** about blobs a lot and I know this.. However this is the exact reason I do so, simply because the blobs have eroded or better yet dumbed down the "actual" skill levels of this game. While yes the Skill Point level have gone up the actual "piloting" skill levels have dropped a hell of a lot. It's a shame TBH, because it seems EVE has been taken over by people whom just want to play arcade space ships for high score on easy mode.

Montmazar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.04 01:56:00 - [61] Edited by: Montmazar on 04/02/2011 01:57:36 Originally by: Mutnin It's a shame TBH, because it seems EVE has been taken over by people whom just want to play arcade space ships for high score. . . .says the guy who just spent several paragraphs talking about how he wants more 1 v 1 style engagements.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.04 05:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Mithril Ryder You made inflammatory remarks in local, some responded to that. You soon blocked (most?) everyone, and then continued to talk to people in local that could literally no longer talk back to you. I was not talking to you, I was talking to local pirate. Why in the hell I would have any interest communicate with you in any shape or form?
Wallinstar	Posted - 2011.02.04 06:39:00 - [63] Edited by: Wallinstar on 04/02/2011 06:43:52 Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 03/02/2011 23:40:01 Originally by: X Gallentius What else would you want? I could think of something.. I'd like WT's that undock fly something besides Drams, go for roams looking for fights that don't require also having 20 other guys sitting on the other side of the gate prior to engaging something. I know it's a tall order but damn there is a extreme lack of soloers from the Gallente side. The very few that do run around never leave their Dramiels, Cynabals & Vagabonds. I would just love to get fights from time to time against Gallente Cruisers/BC's that didn't always end with them calling in 20+ to ***** on a KM. That's what I'd like.. I know it's a tall order and asking a lot, but perhaps you guys could live on the risky side once in a while and leave the logistics and KM whoring gangs behind. You know, actually X Gal is one of the few Gals that does fly around solo as you describe. Chatgris used to do this as well once upon a time in his rifter as well but now if you see him (in a drake)the blob is not far behind. Other than that I am in complete agreement with you. I like flying T1 ships personally (caldari frigs/cruisers especially) and since Dominion and the pirate/faction buff it is pure suicide. However I refuse to fly pirate ships/ and most faction although I do have the skills and the isk(thank god for FW lvl 4s) to do so. I still fly T1 though, although it does not turn up very well and most of the times I chose to run than provide a cheap killmail. Sometimes I will just suicide my ship just for the hell of it (as X Gal sometimes does as well o7).
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.04 08:01:00 - [64] Originally by: Wallinstar Chatgris used to do this as well once upon a time in his rifter as well but now if you see him (in a drake)the blob is not far behind. Nah, his rifters usually had the blob after it as well. Once the tried to get my hookbill to engage rifter on gate. Since I know what kind of rifter he flies and he knows what kind of hookbill I fly, the rifter wont win. Now, this is hard for some people to understand but this is not boasting, it is just boring mathemetics that most of PVP is. In 1vs1, hookbill would win rifter (and most other frigs out there), simple as that. So I didnt take the fight and just jumped through the gate. Naturally there was a merlin and raven waiting on the other side to get into my killmail. Another time he engaged my caracal in rifter I sould have known better but naturally the command ships and remote reppers and three other cruisers were rapidly dropped on me. I did kill the rifter but atleast I learned that I wont ever engage a Qcat without having eyes in every surrounding system and preferably two jumps further. Have had lot of gallentes trying to bait me into aggroing in Placcid recently, up to point where there were two HAC gangs waiting to kill a single frigate should I choose to engage one of their frigates.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.04 09:45:00 - [65] Edited by: Mutnin on 04/02/2011 09:47:50 Originally by: Wallinstar You know, actually X Gal is one of the few Gals that does fly around solo as you describe. Chatgris used to do this as well once upon a time in his rifter as well but now if you see him (in a drake)the blob is not far behind. Other than that I am in complete agreement with you. I like flying T1 ships personally (caldari frigs/cruisers especially) and since Dominion and the pirate/faction buff it is pure suicide. However I refuse to fly pirate ships/ and most faction although I do have the skills and the isk(thank god for FW lvl 4s) to do so. I still fly T1 though, although it does not turn up very well and most of the times I chose to run than provide a cheap killmail. Sometimes I will just suicide my ship just for the hell of it (as X Gal sometimes does as well o7). I really don't want to get into individual pilots but I see him with the gank gangs much more than I see him solo. I'm sure he does solo quite a bit but when Gallente's basic tactics is to Bait then Blob, well it's not even worth trying to fight him. TBH it's pretty freaking sad that it's next to impossible to "solo" with out using an alt to scout out the next 5 systems to see if a guy is solo or baiting. Just for the hell of it I tried to go out the other day in a Claw and made it 2 jumps b4 jumping into a Insta locking Gal frig gang with 2 or 3 dual sensor boosted Thrashers, a sensor boosted ceptor with a Scimitar.. Yes Gal need a Scimitar even for a frig & dessie gang. This is the "GF's" and Risk Adverseness that FW brings low sec..
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.04 09:47:00 - [66] Edited by: chatgris on 04/02/2011 09:57:18 The only real way to respond to these allegations that I don't solo is to link the front page of my killboard, which had my drake solo a pirate fleet consisting of a devoter, hyperion, hurricane, harbinger and vagabond (all but the devoter died). But on Wallinstar's comment - there's nothing like plexing to get people to completely ignore you, friend or foe. I used to enjoy minor plexes with my rifter, and since no-one really likes to plex I'd be alone more. Then pirate frigs kind of ruined even that part of plexing, and generally facwar comes down to roaming pvp for me now. I do attempt to fly solo or with one or two others whenever possible (and recently had fun doing that in minnie space) - but intel spreads and people find out where the action is and go there. It's both a blessing and a curse, depending on whether you are getting tarped or not. WTB - crystal ball that tells you exactly what the enemy fleet has so you can always arrange to bring an equal response. But this is eve, not an arena game. I've found that participating in good intel channels gets you more fights than just running lone wolf. And Damar - as you said, a rifter doesn't stand a chance against a competently fit hookbill or caracal, it's just the mathematics. It's not like we agreed to a 1v1, why would you think I was solo engaging with those odds? EDIT: Mutnin, if you'd like a 1v1 just ask me sometime when I'm online. Or many of the gallente roaming around - I'm sure someone would oblige. I know for a fact that SLAPD and QCATS honor arranged 1v1's (just make sure you're off of any stations/gates so someone doesn't just stumble on the fight and think they're helping), and I am pretty sure that GSTR and NME1 do as well.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.04 09:57:00 - [67] Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 04/02/2011 09:52:40 The only real way to respond to these allegations that I don't solo is to link the front page of my killboard, which had my drake solo a pirate fleet consisting of a devoter, hyperion, hurricane, harbinger and vagabond (all but the devoter died). But on Wallinstar's comment - there's nothing like plexing to get people to completely ignore you, friend or foe. I used to enjoy minor plexes with my rifter, and since no-one really likes to plex I'd be alone more. Then pirate frigs kind of ruined even that part of plexing, and generally facwar comes down to roaming pvp for me now. I do attempt to fly solo or with one or two others whenever possible (and recently had fun doing that in minnie space) - but intel spreads and people find out where the action is and go there. It's both a blessing and a curse, depending on whether you are getting tarped or not. WTB - crystal ball that tells you exactly what the enemy fleet has so you can always arrange to bring an equal response. But this is eve, not an arena game. I've found that participating in good intel channels gets you more fights than just running lone wolf. And Damar - as you said, a rifter doesn't stand a chance against a competently fit hookbill or caracal, it's just the mathematics. It's not like we agreed to a 1v1, why would you think I was solo engaging with those odds? I don't think anyone was saying you don't solo., but rather the fact you also run around those lil Gal Bait & blob gangs so much that it's impossible to know if u are "solo" or "baiting". Meaning it's typically not worth engaging because 9 out of 10 times it will end with 10 other Gal's + 5 logistic ships jumping in behind you.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.04 10:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Mutnin I don't think anyone was saying you don't solo., but rather the fact you also run around those lil Gal Bait & blob gangs so much that it's impossible to know if u are "solo" or "baiting". Meaning it's typically not worth engaging because 9 out of 10 times it will end with 10 other Gal's + 5 logistic ships jumping in behind you. That's fair enough, and quite true. Check my previous edit for if you want a 1v1 just ask! BTW - if it's worth anything, often I don't know that I have any backup when I start fighting, and I'm quite surprised at what shows up.
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.04 10:36:00 - [69] Each to there own as far as baiting / gangs / backup etc. Personally i'm pretty crap at solo pvp, no matter how hard ive tried to become better i simply make too many mistakes tbh. During our heavier TZ presence SoTF does tend to sometimes overblob it a bit, but ofc its if we have a gang up its not you we are after and if you get caught, then tbh thats just unlucky (talking to Mutinn). On the other hand we have guys running 2-3 man fleets during most days and pretty much all day. We do roll logistics ship(s) in a lot of our fleets and tbh why not? it allows us should the need arise for us to be able to engage heavier ships and reduce our losses and some people in corp actually enjoy flying them (weird i know eh?). Solo / gangs / blobbing it doesnt really matter - each to there own.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.04 10:39:00 - [70] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 04/02/2011 10:39:35 Originally by: Mutnin This is the "GF's" and Risk Adverseness that FW brings low sec.. There is no 1vs1 in FW/low-sec if we are all honesty. Most of the good "solo pvp" guys you see floating around appear so good for exactly one reason: Neutral CS or unprobable Loki boosting them in safe spot. If somebody is trying his darnest to get you fight him in equal sized ship even with empty local, then it's almost guaranteed he has blob waiting or his neutral booster in adjancent system to jump in when fight starts. And those who dont have it...just have not grinded enough isk to get themselves a booster. And agreed 1vs1's.....i'd never do those with Gallentes (i've done with some pirates) because agreeing to one would indicate you give some respect to your enemy. And that is simply unacceptable. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

Moonshadoe Caldari Rape of Virtue	Posted - 2011.02.04 11:25:00 - [71] FW as a free war dec is great. For smaller corps such as ours getting good fights can be hard to get since we always seem to be lacking just 1 or 2 people for the medium size gangs we would like to fight on even slightly equal terms. It is blobby as **** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. 2008 was awesome for FW. TL;DR people who smack are generally the worst pvpers. Also nice kills chatgris... that must have been a fun fight.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.04 11:45:00 - [72] Originally by: Moonshadoe When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. Reminds me of one gallente telling me to grow some balls and go out to low-sec to look for solo-pvp/small gang action rather than to gank people in high-sec. This was on the same day my hookbill soloed two stabbers. His last "small gang/solo kill" was killing a rifter with ares, harbinger and falcon Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Saint Evonivon	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:48:00 - [73] Edited by: Saint Evonivon on 04/02/2011 12:50:18 I like FW from it being easy to find a fight to the fact that I don't have to join a major alliance and turn eve into a job. It does have its issues, some are I feel more player made issues than design such as it seems we always have to disadvantage our selves to get fights or people just run away if its an even match. Beyond that the rest are design issues which ill list below. 1) The bunkers are fail in the sense that there is really no reason to do them. I think a cool thing to do with them is award LP when one is taken and the more enemy systems taken the lower the amount of LP gained from FW missions and militia kills of that faction. 2) I would love to see something put in place that would maybe split the large fleets up and promote smaller fleets. I wouldn't mind FC'ing a small fleet but most of the time they quickly grow to large BS and a few capitals where I don't feel comfortable FC'ing. I think others would agree with me there as well. Don't get me wrong I enjoy a big fight like that now and then, but since there is no real reason to do anything else people seem to mass into one large fleet that end up escalating to capitals, not to mentions the pirate capital fleets that come by time to time. That makes anyone new to FC'ing say "oh ill just leave it to the experienced FC" as you should in my opinion. 3) I hate how when I fly into enemy low sec it feels like I haven't even crossed the border. I would like at the very least for enemy stations not allow enemy militia members to dock, or maybe you can dock but you can't use the station services. I know many would hate that idea but it would make it more interesting I think. 4) PVE wise? I think its just typical issues, such as LP store and the amount of tags some crap takes. Also balance between the FW missions, some factions are very easy to do and others much harder.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:46:00 - [74] Fw is fun, i like it. Alot of cool guys are on both amarr and minnie side /no idea about caldari-gallente/, alot of fun to have. There is solo, small gang and blob warfare too, you can do whatever you like. Even pve - fw missions are around 120m/h+ and thats not bad for lowsec id say. After you spend some weeks in fw i think its pretty obvious who never fights without pirate implants/alts/blobs behind him and who is willing to 1v1 without some "iwin button" - so its up to you what you choose... whining is pointless. Theres always some smacking in local, but most ppl do it for lols, its unlikely that much ppl take it seriously. Yes, there are "few" things in fw that could use some fix/improvement - for example whole plex/sov mechanics... but whatever. Also banning supercarriers from lowsec /by not allowing them to use fbs and losing their point immunity in 0.4-0.1/ and making warfare links only work on grid could help. And maybe some other things i cant think of atm. Originally by: Moonshadoe ... Dont ever click on links posted by this guy.
Eelis Kiy Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00 - [75] Edited by: Eelis Kiy on 04/02/2011 15:56:10 Not as fun as it once was, but great if you have good comrades to fly with. Essentially a big fat free war-dec which doesnÆt come with the commitment of sec-loss or 0.0 politics. These days I find myself inclined to see FW as just another of CCP's much anticipated "all new best thing ever expansions" that gets a lot of hype and is then abandoned whilst they move on to the next new shiny thing. It's not as good for new people as it once was. And thatÆs a bloody shame tbh. Reasons are many, some due to CCP's lack of foresight, others due to how things have evolved naturally. Although it's prolly all Damars fault tbh
Suzu Fujibayashi	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:07:00 - [76] Originally by: chatgris [snip] But this is eve, not an arena game. [snip] honor arranged 1v1's [snip]
Lord Ryan Warriors of Faith	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:18:00 - [77] Tryed a few things in Eve and FW is where it's at. Yeah some days/months blow. Your odds of getting a 1v1 or 1v6 are alot better than anywhere else. Less of the nuetral repper nonsence. Rarely see the 0.0 4 million ship blobs. You can basically ignore whatever drama politics. Hubs are only a few jumps away for resuppling. It should and is sometimes a place to get some carefree PVP, of course some people are leet and get carried away with all the ecm/logi blobs. Go mission in high sec, come back in a month they'll usually move on.
Lord Ryan Warriors of Faith	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:26:00 - [78] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 04/02/2011 10:39:35 Originally by: Mutnin This is the "GF's" and Risk Adverseness that FW brings low sec.. There is no 1vs1 in FW/low-sec if we are all honesty. Most of the good "solo pvp" guys you see floating around appear so good for exactly one reason: Neutral CS or unprobable Loki boosting them in safe spot. If somebody is trying his darnest to get you fight him in equal sized ship even with empty local, then it's almost guaranteed he has blob waiting or his neutral booster in adjancent system to jump in when fight starts. And those who dont have it...just have not grinded enough isk to get themselves a booster. And agreed 1vs1's.....i'd never do those with Gallentes (i've done with some pirates) because agreeing to one would indicate you give some respect to your enemy. And that is simply unacceptable. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Don't have nuetral CS/Loki or blob on the other side of the gate. Solo more often than not and have the +400 loses to prove it. If you see me on killmail with 15 other people, either I ***d their or they ***d my killmail. Solo/small fights are lot more common on the amarr/minnie front.
Greg6 Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Mutnin ... I would just love to get fights from time to time against Gallente Cruisers/BC's that didn't always end with them calling in 20+ to ***** on a KM. That's what I'd like.. I know it's a tall order and asking a lot, ... Actually it's not a tall order at all. Come to either Heyd or Nis and ask for an arranged fight Pretty much all of the corps that live in both places can be trusted to honor such engagements, and you won't find it hard at all to find one, if you ask for it. But if you just go wandering? You find what you find, and expecting those bored 19 guys to stay one system over when they have a chance to gank someone is just silly. Finding solo, small scale, and even fleet composition PVP isn't hard at all. It's just that most folk don't really want it, and thus they don't ask for it. And in terms of the OP, FW is great. Free war dec on lots of targets, low stress PVP because there are no sov concerns, and some of the best isk/hour in the game. Plexing is too broken for me to participate, although I used to plex constantly, but otherwise FW is much fun. Highly recommended even though CCP ignores it just about completely.
Oathborne Caldari Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Greg6 Originally by: Mutnin ... I would just love to get fights from time to time against Gallente Cruisers/BC's that didn't always end with them calling in 20+ to ***** on a KM. That's what I'd like.. I know it's a tall order and asking a lot, ... Actually it's not a tall order at all. Come to either Heyd or Nis and ask for an arranged fight Pretty much all of the corps that live in both places can be trusted to honor such engagements, and you won't find it hard at all to find one, if you ask for it. But if you just go wandering? You find what you find, and expecting those bored 19 guys to stay one system over when they have a chance to gank someone is just silly. Finding solo, small scale, and even fleet composition PVP isn't hard at all. It's just that most folk don't really want it, and thus they don't ask for it. And in terms of the OP, FW is great. Free war dec on lots of targets, low stress PVP because there are no sov concerns, and some of the best isk/hour in the game. Plexing is too broken for me to participate, although I used to plex constantly, but otherwise FW is much fun. Highly recommended even though CCP ignores it just about completely. This. ^ Well said, G6.

Oathborne Caldari Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:37:00 - [81] Edited by: Oathborne on 04/02/2011 20:50:20 Edited by: Oathborne on 04/02/2011 20:37:39 Now, I can't believe I'm going to post this, and I am going to feel like Damar, b/c he said this a while back.....and I agree.....(gulp)....with him. (throws up on his shoes) Damn it... anyway, we've been hearing from Mutnin alot about not blobbing, 1v1, gallente km ****s...blah blah....whaaa! So if you were really interested in these types of fights this http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8729523 would not happen? Am I right? OFC I am.. because after you did that you warped off to hide in a station and avoid the "blob" you are just so sure was coming, right? We all do the same things at different times. Now, that being said, your km record indicates that you do engage in a lot of solo combat. Congrats, I am a fleet kind of guy. I really have no desire to run around looking for a solo fights, maybe when i'm a bit more grown up. You will see, I fly Raptors mostly, because I am pretty good at being a 'ceptor pilot and the Raptor is a fleet* tackle ship. My skills, therefore, are geared towards being "fleet support" EDIT: This just in. I went back and looked at Mr. Mutnin's recent losses. It is important to notice that Mr. Mutnin doesn't lose ships very often...and also that he doesn't often lose them to the ZOMG20MANBLOB!111!!!! that he claims always ganks him. http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=411745&view=losses
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.04 23:31:00 - [82] Edited by: Mutnin on 04/02/2011 23:38:31 Originally by: Moonshadoe FW as a free war dec is great. For smaller corps such as ours getting good fights can be hard to get since we always seem to be lacking just 1 or 2 people for the medium size gangs we would like to fight on even slightly equal terms. It is blobby as ** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. 2008 was awesome for FW. TL;DR people who smack are generally the worst pvpers. Also nice kills chatgris... that must have been a fun fight. TBH, maybe we should share a intel channel.. I know u guys like small gang stuff as well. We typically just do our own thing, but it's come to the point that the game is getting very boring due to not being able to engage 90% of the targets that I find due to not wanting to blob the hell out of them with general Miltia numbers, but yet not having people around whom are willing to do risky fights with out a blob. Originally by:** Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 04/02/2011 10:39:35 Originally by: Mutnin This is the "GF's" and Risk Adverseness that FW brings low sec.. There is no 1vs1 in FW/low-sec if we are all honesty. Most of the good "solo pvp" guys you see floating around appear so good for exactly one reason: Neutral CS or unprobable Loki boosting them in safe spot. If somebody is trying his darnest to get you fight him in equal sized ship even with empty local, then it's almost guaranteed he has blob waiting or his neutral booster in adjancent system to jump in when fight starts. And those who dont have it...just have not grinded enough isk to get themselves a booster. And agreed 1vs1's.....i'd never do those with Gallentes (i've done with some pirates) because agreeing to one would indicate you give some respect to your enemy. And that is simply unacceptable. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Typically when I go out solo I'm not necessarily looking for for 1v1's or equal ship fights or agreed on 1v1s. That to me is boring. I just get tired of most engagements always ending up against un-winnable gank. What I'm after is challenging fights that I can push my own limits in, to help make myself a better PVPer. I know this is odd but I prefer to be right at the edge of a fight going either way. I just wish that FW was the place that would let me do that. It's sad that it's not and TBH the only reason I even stay in FW is because it's the best way for a low sec dweller like myself to make ISK and it's not like the rest of low sec is any different much less null sec which is even worse. This make FW the lesser of the evils. I would love to see FW and low sec for that matter turned around and have som,e reason with-in the game mechanics to get people out of these blobs, but sadly I just don't see it happening. I think it's simply become a matter of blobs = more players which = more subscriptions and that's what makes CCP happy. It doesn't matter if it's null sec or low, the the more blobs around, means the more people whom are playing, regardless if the actual game-play environment has degraded from what many of us would like to see.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.04 23:57:00 - [83] Edited by: Mutnin on 05/02/2011 00:05:05 Originally by: Oathborne Edited by: Oathborne on 04/02/2011 20:50:20 Edited by: Oathborne on 04/02/2011 20:37:39 Now, I can't believe I'm going to post this, and I am going to feel like Damar, b/c he said this a while back.....and I agree.....(gulp)....with him. (throws up on his shoes) Damn it... anyway, we've been hearing from Mutnin alot about not blobbing, 1v1, gallente km ****s...blah blah....whaaa! So if you were really interested in these types of fights this http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8729523 would not happen? Am I right? OFC I am.. because after you did that you warped off to hide in a station and avoid the "blob" you are just so sure was coming, right? We all do the same things at different times. Now, that being said, your km record indicates that you do engage in a lot of solo combat. Congrats, I am a fleet kind of guy. I really have no desire to run around looking for a solo fights, maybe when i'm a bit more grown up. You will see, I fly Raptors mostly, because I am pretty good at being a 'ceptor pilot and the Raptor is a fleet* tackle ship. My skills, therefore, are geared towards being "fleet support" EDIT: This just in. I went back and looked at Mr. Mutnin's recent losses. It is important to notice that Mr. Mutnin doesn't lose ships very often...and also that he doesn't often lose them to the ZOMG20MANBLOB!111!!!! that he claims always ganks him. http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=411745&view=losses lol if you look through my KM's you won't find many others like that Ranis kill. Me and my corp-mate whom is a RL friend were a bit irritated because the night before we wanted to go out roaming but a bunch of Gaylante's thought it was a good idea to sit on our station half the night camping the undock. Because of this we decided to *** it up and build two insta locking Canes to try and pop some pods to get a little revenge. The idea was maybe give them a taste of their own medicine and that's exactly what we did being the fact it was a SOTF guy I felt it was mission accomplished. Yet you have to be fair and if looking at my KM history it's not like you see those kinds of kills other than a random target of opportunity. I think it's pretty easy to look at my typical KM's/engagements plus losses to see the types of fights I engage in so don't try to drum up a story of 1 KM. As for my losses, well I can't help that I do often escape the blobs. I'm not always so lucky but typically I have to avoid far more fights than what you will ever see on a kill board because I've already scouted out the gank gang and know what's waiting. Not to mention there are countless engagements that lead to no kill-mails due to me either escaping or the target getting away. I don't think I'm anywhere near any of the top guys in this game as I do make stupid mistakes far to often but one thing I've always been good at is knowing when to GTFO and having often, set myself up with the ability to GTFO.. Sadly it doesn't always work out. (I am however still LOLing about me jumping into a gang of 20 Gallentes on the Abune/Hey gate a week or two back, in a 1600 plate/triple tri mark Vexor and getting away. ) Also you have to keep in mind.. When I'm talking blobs, I'm taking with the mind set of a soloer/small gang which doesn't mean 30-50 man gang. It simply means over powering force in which there is no way to fight back due to the numbers at hand. If I'm solo and get ganked by 5 or 6 BC's with logistics, that to me is getting blobbed because there is no real way to fight back. However more often than not I just have to avoid fights because of blobs which is what gets irritating.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:00:00 - [84] You can get as many fights as you want, you can win every fight you get into, but not both - unless you're chatgris flying a solo Drake or Princess Nexxala flying a Cynabal.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.02.06 15:08:00 - [85] Faction Warfare is Broken. - For a player like me who have lot of time to use for playing EVE it has nothing to offer anymore. System capturing is 'balanced' so much that it is quite much out of balance. If you want to capture example gallente system it takes about 1-4 weeks if enemy is doing absolutely nothing to prevent it and it can take months if they do. After you have captured that system game mechanic makes it possible to capture it back in 8 hours. So what this actually mean is that there is no point to take any systems because you can not keep them in anyway and it is easier to just take those back after t capturing than defend those = NO REASON TO PVP IN PLEXES. - because plexes limit ship types that can enter it has made those pirate faction ships quite much only ships that are worth to fly in smalles gangs because those are just so ower power if used right way. Pirate faction ships are not for newer poor players becaus those cost quite much. So actually FW is no more place for new player to learn pvp easily, because of ships size limitations it is harder than elsewhere. I think these two things makes FW really unplayable at this moment. + I know that people are happy with faction warfare LP store and mission and want to grind easy isk out of those + it is free wardec and lot of people like to gank noobs that join to fw thinking that it is some kind of continuum for epid arc or career mission what ever that was. Basically FW is full of noobs who are ganked by little better players but almost all PRO players have left militia for a long time ago so these new players are not going to learn anything positive in FW. So all those who have stuck in FW ( like me ) are there only for easy ganks because FW is so small arena that older members of it knows who to fight agains or not, preventing PVP not to happen. Sad thing is that FW is broken together with facts that incursion broke lot of normal game play things causes that personally i have been doing something else for a while. Hopefully ccp fixes game soon to point where little things that does not work stop causing headache.
Bluejacket CT Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.02.06 18:07:00 - [86] I like it because sometimes draketrain fleets up with us and helps us fight bad guys.
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.06 19:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 02/02/2011 18:18:55 Originally by: chatgris That would be someone like yourself with a loose grasp on reality who harbors a lot of anger. The day eve causes me even a slight fraction of the ill feelings that you demonstrate is the day I stop playing this game and go elsewhere. Seeing you were happy enough to let your fleet spam Intaki local with bull**, i'd say you are already there. You were not even willing to curb your fleets emoraging when requested so by FG. (which is why he was happy to give me greenlight to go after your stragglers if I wanted to) And naturally your corp went and spammed forums with threads about me allying with Gallentes and all. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Oh look, Damar proving to be an emoraging **** yet again. How surprising. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:22:00 - [88] I'm curious, what loopholes in game mechanics did Incursion fill?
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:51:00 - [89] Originally by: X Gallentius I'm curious, what loopholes in game mechanics did Incursion fill? Other than Sansha gate camps in affected areas there has been nothing done as far as I have seen. That said, those Nation fellas are pretty bad-ass at the camping game, they catch bombers and cloaky recons quite frequently and make a mess of things for macros :D They are like belt/gate-camping bots. Perhaps CCP's answer to player bots, who knows!
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:19:00 - [90] Originally by: Mutnin I would love to see FW and low sec for that matter turned around and have som,e reason with-in the game mechanics to get people out of these blobs, but sadly I just don't see it happening. Of course it wont happen and there is no reason to fight over anything in low-sec either or to be a solo pilot. It's why Draketrain is in FW only for the mission yewgold because when they put up a fleet, Gallentes will stay docked because there is no reason for them to come fight. Going to 0.0 and ****caging a station with bubbles is better because it forces people to fight. Likewise i'll dock up when someone screams about a plex i'm taking and gallentes send 25 guys after me like happened this morning, though usually i'll ninja-kill one or two dudes before that. Sure, you could go bash some POS with your blob but what's the point? They cost practically nothing and if you want to deny your opponent a strategical asset, you have to plant your own afterwards and to every other vacant moon in system as well. And more likely both sides call up some bored 0.0 entities to hotdrop everyone and their mother with supercapitals. So there you have it. From FW you can get two things: Silly amount of isk and unfair ganks. There are no good fights here, like there are no good fights anywhere in Eve. Only thing which seperates it from 0.0 is that if you dont have the biggest blob around right now, it has no negative consequences as long as you dock up. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:52:00 - [91] Edited by: Annie Anomie on 06/02/2011 22:09:44 SoTF will honour 1vs1's and has done arranged gang (5 T1 cruisers etc.) fights (ask DRAEP). Just talk to us if you're interested in something like that. We may be up for it. Please let us know if our pilots are not honouring these arrangements. Obviously we'll want chatlogs but it's an important part of what the corp is about that people do not engage in **ery of this kind. FW is OK for what I do. I don't have a lot of time to play EVE between GF and job so it's nice to have a permanent wardec and a relatively static bit of space to fly around looking for targets. I don't suddenly have to relocate my ** halfway across EVE on a moments notice which is nice. If I didn't have a corp to fly with it'd be pretty bad though. Also being able to engage pirates compensates for the general crapiness of FW at times. All you generally see in the EU TZ are either gangs looking for a ganks (as opposed to looking for fights) or missioners in SBs. If you're not these guys and you run into us bear in mind this is what we're often set up for. Metagaming (HEY DRAEP o/) completely ruined the PUG aspect of it. It's so easy to get spy alts in. There is a very tangible difference between flying with corpies and flying with FDU. The spying isn't even subtle. Good point about the pirate ships ruining plexes too. I'd also add plex rats to that list of issues (who wants to fight a guy with an NPC falcon?). I have far better fights on plex gates than I ever do inside. It basically means the restrictions don't apply if you spend enough ISK. It used to be a pretty good place for newbies but these days I really dunno how true that is now. I suppose it isn't notably worse than just going belt pirating in rifters but still :S
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 01:41:00 - [92] How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight?
Montmazar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:36:00 - [93] Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Well first off, it's way more elite.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:52:00 - [94] FW does what it's supposed to do: Provide a different way to compete in pvp. I'm not in fw anymore but i like it.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:19:00 - [95] Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:27:12 Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked or have their daily game/ratting time ruined. edit: What the hell is PUG aspect? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
GavinGoodrich Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.02.07 07:30:00 - [96] Originally by: Dorian Tormak FW does what it's supposed to do: Provide a different way to compete in pvp. I'm not in fw anymore but i like it. This sums it up nicely. It's no secret FW is left to gather dust as far as CCP's concerned, but it's still a nice venue for PVP outside of 0.0 and generally lame highsec wars. \o
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.07 14:46:00 - [97] Edited by: Mutnin on 07/02/2011 14:48:08 Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Mutnin I would love to see FW and low sec for that matter turned around and have som,e reason with-in the game mechanics to get people out of these blobs, but sadly I just don't see it happening. Of course it wont happen and there is no reason to fight over anything in low-sec either or to be a solo pilot. It's why Draketrain is in FW only for the mission yewgold because when they put up a fleet, Gallentes will stay docked because there is no reason for them to come fight. Going to 0.0 and ****caging a station with bubbles is better because it forces people to fight. Likewise i'll dock up when someone screams about a plex i'm taking and gallentes send 25 guys after me like happened this morning, though usually i'll ninja-kill one or two dudes before that. Sure, you could go bash some POS with your blob but what's the point? They cost practically nothing and if you want to deny your opponent a strategical asset, you have to plant your own afterwards and to every other vacant moon in system as well. And more likely both sides call up some bored 0.0 entities to hotdrop everyone and their mother with supercapitals. So there you have it. From FW you can get two things: Silly amount of isk and unfair ganks. There are no good fights here, like there are no good fights anywhere in Eve. Only thing which seperates it from 0.0 is that if you dont have the biggest blob around right now, it has no negative consequences as long as you dock up. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Unfortunately, this is what FW has been for me, for quite some time now. I don't really enjoy joining the big gangs and that leaves very little options, so most of my targets tend to come from pie work and I just end up using FW as my ISK machine. I've been checking out null a bit more lately and seems like there are better options for both piracy and small gang work.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 16:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones.
Bad Messenger draketrain	Posted - 2011.02.07 16:38:00 - [99] Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. Yes, you can jump clone to highsec and do missions. BUT WHY YOU GO TO 0.0 THEN AT ALL?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:27:00 - [100] Originally by: X Gallentius Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. I'm sure they have but then there is whole question of getting back if something comes up during the 24h timer. Hell, knowing some 0.0 alliances people might be threathened by a kick from alliance if they dont self-destrcut their mission clones and join the CTA (having their medical station in 0.0 naturally) and so on. All because some "FW N00bz came to harass them". Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2011.02.07 17:52:00 - [101] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:31:35 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 07/02/2011 03:27:12 Originally by: X Gallentius How does camping a station in 0.0 versus camping a station in low sec force anybody to fight? Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Or they can undock and try to fight it. edit: What the hell is PUG aspect? Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Pick Up Group.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:12:00 - [102] I see Incursion as CCP's apology for the herniated abortion that was FW. FW has not actually brought anything useful to the game, and I'm glad I was finally able to tear myself away from it. FW (and one guy in this thread in particular) is a cautionary tale about what happens if you hand even a tiny bit of power over the game's canon over to people with severe mental illnesses. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.07 18:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I see Incursion as CCP's apology for the herniated abortion that was FW. FW has not actually brought anything useful to the game, and I'm glad I was finally able to tear myself away from it. FW (and one guy in this thread in particular) is a cautionary tale about what happens if you hand even a tiny bit of power over the game's canon over to people with severe mental illnesses. lol, fail. At least that mentally ill person (who is pretty damn good at multi-boxing btw) undocks and attempts to affect the rp history of the game through in-game actions. There are many different things to do in EvE. FW's pvp-centric focus (which is probably why the rp'ers tend to shy away from it) is one of the best.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.07 19:45:00 - [104] Thanks for proving my point almost perfectly. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.02.07 20:23:00 - [105] Originally by: X Gallentius There are many different things to do in EvE. FW's pvp-centric focus...is one of the best. I can't agree more. And, aside from the occupancy issues we've already discussed, FW has a huge upside for those of us that want to stay away from the fun-drain that is null-sec alliance life. Hopefully CCP will provide some tweaks in the future, and it will be even better, but I'm content for now.
Vixisti Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:03:00 - [106] FW is a free war dec, anything more is just roleplay. Oh almost forgot - it's a money train if you do the missions but that's not really 'war' is it.
Jabru Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:13:00 - [107] my only problem with FW currently is you can not set entire militias to -10 standings on an alt, if you could do that, id jump in there so fast it would not even be funny
BacardiDesire The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.02.08 11:30:00 - [108] I think FW is pretty cool! because this is the 1000st thread where gallente is claiming they do! and caldari is claiming they don't do! --- Crazy dutch mofo
Hardreign Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.12 00:15:00 - [109] Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:20:11 Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:19:49 Edited by: Hardreign on 12/02/2011 00:19:27 Originally by: Predator Elite Just wondering what everyone thinks of faction warfare, anything from pvp to pve (aka mission runners) feel free to post anything. I am new to factional warfare (including a dedicated player-versus-player experience). But I have to comment that my first few weeks have been fantastic, moving into lowsec and the logistics of setting up was a refreshing challenge from the level four mission grinding. Coming to understand the ecosystem of lowsec has opened the MMO experience for me; the geopolitics surrounding factional and pirate corporations as an example. Dispelling many myths that I was convinced of as a carebear regarding how to navigate lowsec, its denizens, and how to avoid typical pitfalls (read as: tarps)! But I think best of all I enjoy the culture of logging in; and there is almost always something going on. Intel channels hopping, roams, camps, PLEXing and even the simple act of undocking requires forethought. Factional warfare has re-introduced challenge and surprise to my nightly excursions. This is why I elect to remain in the war. ________________________________________ Unite the tribes. Death to the Empress.
Cunilingus Clitmaster	Posted - 2011.02.12 04:11:00 - [110] I joined FW with an alt the day Empyrean Age was released and stayed for about 18 months... The beginning was very chaotic but fun (I remember Minmatar steamrolling Amarr occupancy until a quick patch was made) Obviosuly, the occupancy system was broken from the beginning in terms of allowing docking rights in hostile militia stations regardless of occupancy. I remember CCP saying they would introduce more and more things, but wanted to watch things unfold (well - obviously not...). Militia stations should have been a generic outpost type that flips docking rights with occupancy - as it stands now, occupancy and thus plexing is still entirely pointless except to the most hardcore roleplayers who wet themselves at seeing a different coloured spot on the map. Plexing mechanics themselves were - and from what I read still are - entirely broken: Imbalanced NPCs with permajamming Caldari and Missile-Spamming Minmatar vs slow Blasterboats and Lasers that can be speedtanked in about any frig, cloaked capturing of plexes, allied militias not being engaged by hostile NPCs, plexes only spawning after DT, major differences to offensive and defensive plexing in pvp thanks to NPCs interfering - it's so FUBAR I could go on endlessly... Having that said, I didn't engage in Plexing after considering it to be completely broken. Unfortunately, with increasing organisation, blobs started to form, FCs became more and more risk averse because the good ones left and it became a pointless gate-blobbing against the same people all over again for nothing. After FW missions were introduced, I farmed them a little and then left before ruining my alts standings beyond repair. I would probably give it another go in a different faction if above issues would finaly be adressed, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it as any topic involving the words 'boobs' and 'incarna' seems to get more attention from CCP than FW. It had potential, but unfortunately is inherently broken.

Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.12 16:23:00 - [111] Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters....
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.14 10:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: X Gallentius Originally by: Damar Rocarion Because in low-sec you can always use the insta-undock or leave in pod. If you ****cage a station, then the 0.0 carebears/rmt people can only stay docked and have their daily game/ratting time ruined. Point taken. I guess many of them have never heard of jump clones. Yes, you can jump clone to highsec and do missions. BUT WHY YOU GO TO 0.0 THEN AT ALL? you wouldn't believe: 0.0 are the nice place for pure carebears like me and some stupid pvp-ers can't make it worse
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:00:00 - [113] Originally by: Cromwell Savage Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters.... FW is largely like this (and from other side too). All posture and smack but nothing concrete but it's not nearly as gay as the links above Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:24:00 - [114] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Cromwell Savage Free 24/7/365 Eve-wide war-dec. Nothing else matters.... FW is largely like this (and from other side too). All posture and smack but nothing concrete but it's not nearly as gay as the links above Damar Rocarion Brigadier General That ceremony clearly shows that even enemies can "temp blue" when needed A very fitting example of FW if I may say
Vannne Sannovah	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:11:00 - [115] I only joined FW because the 24th Imperial Crusade has 0% tax...
Princess Nexxala Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:36:00 - [116] Originally by: Moonshadoe It is blobby as **** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. Yes I must agree with you there. We have many mentally deficient residents of heyd that can't PVP for poo and endlessly smack talk to the dismay of many of us. I guess they have to smack to compensate for refusing to leave dock with anything but a blob backing them up. What amuses me is if a wt gang of lets say...cruisers are reported close to heyd. You will get people undocking in battleships FFS. To get a good fight lately I have had to keep intel to myself and private convo a few select pilots to come help if needed. I am quite sick of it TBH.
Dark Pangolin Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:21:00 - [117] Not quite as sick of it as those of us int he cruiser gangs are...
Dan Pyre Amarr COLD-Wing	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Dark Pangolin Not quite as sick of it as those of us in the cruiser gangs are... Dan Pyre 'likes' this! :thumbsup:
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.16 22:10:00 - [119] There is life outside the pipe. More Federation Militia pilots should base out of the Agoze area so we can blob more deserving pilots like Damar and Cosmic Raider.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:51:00 - [120] Originally by: Princess Nexxala Originally by: Moonshadoe It is blobby as **** when we bring even frigs up to OMS/Heyd/Nisua though. We'll typically get at least a few BCs, HACs and others come out to fight us. Then laugh and smack when we won't engage. When we look up the people smacking's killboard stats we invariably notice they have no kills with at least 10 people on the mail and probably don't really know how to pvp. But such is life. Yes I must agree with you there. We have many mentally deficient residents of heyd that can't PVP for poo and endlessly smack talk to the dismay of many of us. I guess they have to smack to compensate for refusing to leave dock with anything but a blob backing them up. What amuses me is if a wt gang of lets say...cruisers are reported close to heyd. You will get people undocking in battleships FFS. To get a good fight lately I have had to keep intel to myself and private convo a few select pilots to come help if needed. I am quite sick of it TBH. From the number of kills on Caldari FW players in Minnie/Amarr FW, I have an idea that a good number of the Caldari players have joined the Amarr as they quite heavily outnumber us currently. Bring some Gall FW gangs to Minnie/Amarr space and you'll prolly find all the WTs you can't find in Gall/Caldari space.

Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:33:00 - [121] Originally by: X Gallentius There is life outside the pipe. More Federation Militia pilots should base out of the Agoze area so we can blob more deserving pilots like Damar and Cosmic Raider. Sadly your US tz horde cannot find me as I am sleeping at that time. But obviously you need bit more guys if yesterday was any indication. We have a hookbill in plex, you send in 3 x comet, 2 x griffin and daredevil. I escalate it with a friendly daredevil and you guys lost griffin, daredevil and ultimately the plex. With couple of your ships limping back home on structure. If the situation was reversed and we had 6 ships coming in to a plex against 2, would you have stayed around? I dont think i've ever seen such situation occur. Ultimately, bring the blob and you see less fights butthat's what FW is all about. No fights, just ganks. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.17 05:48:00 - [122] Edited by: X Gallentius on 17/02/2011 05:49:19 Well obviously we need moar! To all Federation Militia pilots: Please report to the CAS Station Agoze.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.17 07:49:00 - [123] Originally by: X Gallentius To all Federation Militia pilots: Please report to the CAS Station Agoze. That's quite a different tune from last weeks "Give up, you cannot win, blah blah" smack from last week. Also, Gallente militia should stop spamming my evemail box with their alts who offer recommendations for various mental institutions. I know you guys are bats..t crazy and have experience in the matter but that does not mean I am. Though admittely it's nice to pod people who do and then offer them their corpse back in contracts for a reasonable sum of say 500m. They dont often seem to appreciate the joke. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Cosmic Raider Capitalist Pig Running Dogs	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:03:00 - [124] <3 X gal. One of my favorite ppl. Hope you always love the game and have success.
Cosmic Raider Capitalist Pig Running Dogs	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:29:00 - [125] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 17/02/2011 11:29:30 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I see Incursion as CCP's apology for the herniated abortion that was FW. FW has not actually brought anything useful to the game, and I'm glad I was finally able to tear myself away from it. FW (and one guy in this thread in particular) is a cautionary tale about what happens if you hand even a tiny bit of power over the game's canon over to people with severe mental illnesses. Sorry, you are wrong. If you think FW is fail, probability is you aren't doing it right.
Dan Pyre Amarr COLD-Wing	Posted - 2011.02.17 14:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Cosmic Raider Ofc beyond that, it benefits all FW if we move beyond the Tama situation to a more widespread fight... but I see little inclination in Caldari. Obviously you haven't bothered to do some research. It's been some months since we've moved out. Plenty of skirmishes still occur there, however. (and why wouldn't they? Old Man Star is just as populated, admittedly with more pirates than FW players).
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:48:00 - [127] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Sadly your US tz horde cannot find me as I am sleeping at that time. Yep...it's always about you Damar....always... Thanks the Eve Gods I joined Gallente. For if I had you on my side I'd have to punch myself in the junk, repeatedly, just to feel better...
Vyktor Abyss Abyss Research	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:56:00 - [128] Hi Damar
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.18 04:56:00 - [129] Originally by: Cromwell Savage Originally by: Damar Rocarion Sadly your US tz horde cannot find me as I am sleeping at that time. Yep...it's always about you Damar....always... Your corpie calls whole FDU to move to Agoze and blob me. How come it's not about me? Oh right, that must be about those "good fights" your side is on about. Bit like yesterday when you had entire gang of instalockers and battlecruisers chasing my frigate and still failed I dont think you have yet sent me various insulting evemails like your corpies have. When will you start? It's always nice to read fan mail from people who are mature and grown up and are in FW for the "good fights" and "no drama" and who dont take internet spaceships at all seriously. Oh wait... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Mina Banestar	Posted - 2011.02.18 16:05:00 - [130] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Cromwell Savage Originally by: Damar Rocarion Sadly your US tz horde cannot find me as I am sleeping at that time. Yep...it's always about you Damar....always... Your corpie calls whole FDU to move to Agoze and blob me. How come it's not about me? Oh right, that must be about those "good fights" your side is on about. Bit like yesterday when you had entire gang of instalockers and battlecruisers chasing my frigate and still failed I dont think you have yet sent me various insulting evemails like your corpies have. When will you start? It's always nice to read fan mail from people who are mature and grown up and are in FW for the "good fights" and "no drama" and who dont take internet spaceships at all seriously. Oh wait... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Lol At Damar 'Brigadier General' Rocarion telling people they take internet spaceships too seriously. Hello kettle, this is Pot, I see you are dark in colouration.

Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:40:00 - [131] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Your corpie calls whole FDU to move to Agoze and blob me. How come it's not about me? Oh right, that must be about those "good fights" your side is on about. Bit like yesterday when you had entire gang of instalockers and battlecruisers chasing my frigate and still failed I dont think you have yet sent me various insulting evemails like your corpies have. When will you start? It's always nice to read fan mail from people who are mature and grown up and are in FW for the "good fights" and "no drama" and who dont take internet spaceships at all seriously. Oh wait... Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Actually, it is just about the fights. You're just the side show entertainment. Think of it as the sprinkles on top of the icing... Naw, you won't be getting any eve mails from me - loving or otherwise. I'm currently on an all expenses paid trip to a far off "exotic" land for 6 or so more months. Just forum slumming is the only Eve I'll be getting until I get back. And about that whole taking internet spaceships too serious.....LOL....Damar, you are the FW poster child if there ever was one. Which, I have to admit, is quite unfortunate. For [gag reflex] you are actually a smart and skilled pvp'er [/gag reflex]. You just bring so much baggage along that it overshadows everything else...
Vordak Kallager Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.19 00:22:00 - [132] So far, all I've gathered from this thread is that Damar Rocarion, Brigadier General, is sadface that EVE Online (and FW with in New Eden) is not the Hello Kitty Online adventure he believed and wanted it to be. /thread?
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.19 07:08:00 - [133] Originally by: Cromwell Savage You just bring so much baggage along that it overshadows everything else... You meant to say that Gallentes brought extra baggage along with irl threats, etc. and try to shift it so that I/Caldari actually started the whole thing. Btw, nice work on your side using the "lets have caldari npc shoot caldari militia" trick again in Oinasiken against pilot named Razhak. Didnt help you but shows how low your side is willing to sink. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 07:15:00 - [134] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 07:15:22 The people offering the names of accredited mental institutions are giving them to you because you need help, Damar. You take this game way too seriously, you have a textbook victim complex and from talking to former PERVS members you also have a deadly serious inability to empathise with other people. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Vikarion Caldari Blackened Steel	Posted - 2011.02.19 07:25:00 - [135] Edited by: Vikarion on 19/02/2011 07:35:31 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 07:15:22 The people offering the names of accredited mental institutions are giving them to you because you need help, Damar. You take this game way too seriously, you have a textbook victim complex and from talking to former PERVS members you also have a deadly serious inability to empathise with other people. You are calling Damar unbalanced? I seem to have chatlogs of you raging at Miz and I because we - in PvPing people - "might ruin somebody's day". It's practically our rallying cry now. Anyway, Damar doesn't take it any more seriously than Val Erian or Seriphyn. Perhaps you should send them brochures for your favorite mental health institution. Perhaps those of you on Gal side shouldn't get so wound up and assume that we are just like you. GalMil and Gal RP seems to attract the unstable and arrogant. Not all of them are so, certainly, but many. We? We're just having fun. And when you hate us, really, really hate us, as you apparently do, it makes it more fun. So we make you hate us more. - - - Warning: According to a certain carebear, I may be "ruining somebody's day"
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:17:00 - [136] Vikarion, you actually need mental help more than Damar does. He, at least, is only obsessed with the Gallente militia in general - you, on the other hand, are a delusional obsessive with a frankly creepy fixation on me. I mean, why else would you join a Ventrilo server just to dare me to shout at you? That's only the tip of the iceberg, but I thought it was the most piquant example. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Armas Lankku	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:18:00 - [137] gallente militia members are stupid, childish and mentally unbalanced because i am in cladari militia also i took this picture once pictuer
Vikarion Caldari Blackened Steel	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Vikarion, you actually need mental help more than Damar does. He, at least, is only obsessed with the Gallente militia in general - you, on the other hand, are a delusional obsessive with a frankly creepy fixation on me. I mean, why else would you join a Ventrilo server just to dare me to shout at you? That's only the tip of the iceberg, but I thought it was the most piquant example. This, folks. This is why I do what I do. - - - Warning: According to a certain carebear, I may be "ruining somebody's day"
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:43:00 - [139] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 10:45:04 Originally by: Vikarion This, folks. This is why I do what I do. http://mxdcorp-radio.com/filehost/Lulz/Trollface.png basically sums up your behaviour (and your post), perfectly. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Vikarion Caldari Blackened Steel	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:51:00 - [140] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 10:45:04 Originally by: Vikarion This, folks. This is why I do what I do. http://mxdcorp-radio.com/filehost/Lulz/Trollface.png basically sums up your behaviour (and your post), perfectly. You keep telling yourself that. Meantime, I'll be out, ruining someone's day. - - - Warning: According to a certain carebear, I may be "ruining somebody's day"

Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.19 10:54:00 - [141] What do I think about FW? I think that first and foremost CCP should make money from it. If you have a character in FW on your account you should not be allowed to put another character on your account in FW for the opposition faction. If a CC account is paying for an account that has FW characters on it then the opposition FW is off limits with that CC number. They do not let trial accounts to be played from the same IP as a paying account, I say they do the same for FW characters. If you pick frog federation as your home then that is it, you are now a frog on all your accounts. Many people will hate these changes but as a whole we will all prosper. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:03:00 - [142] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 11:06:09 See, here's the thing - I notice you put that in your signature, but you didn't have the balls to actually quote me on it (you've also quoted me entirely out of context, but you do that all the time so whatever). You were obviously trying to get my attention by putting it there, but you didn't really have the spine to actually make it a quote. Pretty much everyone whose opinion I value shares my opinion of you - creepy, obsessive, delusional and socially inept. I heard Shae Tiann had some words for you, something along the lines of "unlikeable ****", and that made me chuckle. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:16:00 - [143] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Unable to locate any matches for your search terms. Atleast I can prove i killed somebody. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:21:00 - [144] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Unable to locate any matches for your search terms. Atleast I can prove i killed somebody. Herp Derp Derp At least when masternerdguy trolls he can make it convincing. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:31:00 - [145] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Unable to locate any matches for your search terms. Atleast I can prove i killed somebody. Herp Derp Derp At least when masternerdguy trolls he can make it convincing. Your K/D ration is unimpressive. Do yo do a lot of dumb **** on purpose or do you just suck? SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:38:00 - [146] Err, sorry, am I hearing this right? The guy who's played the game longer than I have and in his whole operational lifespan has managed to rack up 32 kills to 48 deaths is casting aspersions on my K:D ratio? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:53:00 - [147] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 11:39:42 Err, sorry, am I hearing this right? The guy who's played the game longer than I have and in his whole operational lifespan has managed to rack up 32 kills to 48 deaths is casting aspersions on my K:D ratio? I think you should change your name to "schlock". Because every kill I commit is instantly blasted to every KB outside of EVE. KB *****s are a joke and if you missed the pun in my post do some research. I'm kind of a big deal. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:58:00 - [148] So first it's "can't find you on any killboards anywhere", then it's "well OK I can but your K/D is fail" and then it's "killboards don't mean a thing anyway". Oh, also: yes, your kills and losses would get posted if other people post either killmails of you, or lossmails with you on them. Battleclinic is basically a killmail aggregator and I'd say given time the vast majority of killmails end up there. Put simply if you don't understand how it works then you're stupid. "Schlock" is looking like a perfect name for you now. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Vikarion Caldari Blackened Steel	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:22:00 - [149] Edited by: Vikarion on 19/02/2011 12:25:33 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/02/2011 11:06:09 See, here's the thing - I notice you put that in your signature, but you didn't have the balls to actually quote me on it (you've also quoted me entirely out of context, but you do that all the time so whatever). You were obviously trying to get my attention by putting it there, but you didn't really have the spine to actually make it a quote. Pretty much everyone whose opinion I value shares my opinion of you - creepy, obsessive, delusional and socially inept. I heard Shae Tiann had some words for you, something along the lines of "unlikeable ****", and that made me chuckle. Actually, I figured that attributing it to some random "carebear" would insult you more than simply attributing it - and also get you to admit saying it. It worked. Ok, I'll be serious for a moment. Heck, I'll even remove the sig, if it will get you to think about what I write next. Now, let me be completely honest about why I enjoy going after Gallente. Nothing matters, in this game. Nothing. It's all just pixels. But if someone takes offense at you - really and truly hates you for what you do in game - why, then, they're quite the silly person. When someone hates me, or hates what I do, they've given me power over them - and they deserve exactly what happens. If you're going to despise me, loathe me, hate me, whatever, I want you to do it so much that every time you lose a ship to me or to my allies, you go nuts. Why? Well, for one, maybe it will train you to stop caring about something not worth caring about. Or maybe it'll keep you in the house obsessed with me and not inflicting immaturity on others. Or whatever. But for me? This is just fun. People on forums, people in game - they aren't really all that real to me, not unless I've flown with them and talked with them personally for quite some time. So I don't care that much when I get blown up (unless it was sheer stupidity on my part), or when Gallente take a system, or whatnot. I do FW because I enjoy it, and I flame and write on forums because that's just another area of competition. To me, it's all a game. I get the sense, however, that some people do take it seriously, and those people are fun, because they take things hilariously out of proportion. Some do more than others, and I tend to bug those who yowl the most (consider that). What someone else who has never met me thinks of me means absolutely nothing to me. No, I play Eve for fun. I suggest that others should too. EDIT: P.S. Perhaps I'm the only one who enjoys good grudge matches. Considering the way others seem to indulge in them, I honestly doubt that, however. - - - Warning: Having fun, often at your expense!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:59:00 - [150] Originally by: Vikarion Actually, I figured that attributing it to some random "carebear" would insult you more than simply attributing it - and also get you to admit saying it. It worked. http://mxdcorp-radio.com/filehost/Lulz/124085963798.png Originally by: Vikarion Ok, I'll be serious for a moment. Heck, I'll even remove the sig, if it will get you to think about what I write next. This is actually an example of your obsession - you act in a rather bipolar manner, by turns acting in a derisive, dismissive manner, and then suddenly switching to sympathetic, "nice" behaviour when being offensive fails to hold my attention. It's kind of pathetic really. Originally by: Vikarion Now, let me be completely honest about why I enjoy going after Gallente This isn't really about Gallente and Caldari or pixels, this is about you, and your obvious obsession with me. Originally by: Vikarion Some do more than others, and I tend to bug those who yowl the most I actually haven't talked to you for a while, but you're still trying to get my attention on every thread I post in on the IGS like a neglected puppy. In fact I think even talking to you on this thread at all was actually a bad idea in terms of helping your mental state. It is clear that my continued attention does not do good things for your stability. Originally by: Vikarion What someone else who has never met me thinks of me means absolutely nothing to me. You've been pretty much obsessed with me ever since White Rose (I've noticed that corporations you start, as a rule, tend to be unsuccessful and disintegrate after a few months). You went after Ordo Magna and because at the time Sansha were our Number One Enemy, we launched a counter-dec (I was worried other Sansha organisations like Exalted might intervene, but IzzyChan actually liked the idea of you getting stomped, which I guess says something). You proved singularly uninteresting to fight, and it was clear you weren't going to engage either of us while the other was there (don't get me wrong, that was a smart decision. I don't engage against 4:1 odds either). So we dropped the wardec and went back home. You then sent us an email with a wardec attached, basically declaring "it's not fair that you decided you weren't having fun and went to do something else, you have to come fight me instead! STOP HAVING FUN GUYS!". So you sat outside Dodixie station, didn't engage and harassed my somewhat bewildered non-roleplaying corpmates for a day or so in local before buggering off whence you came (incidentally, they also think you're mentally disturbed). You then suddenly did an abrupt about-turn in your IC ideology (Sansha are bad and wrong! Caldari all the way!) the same month I decided Sansha were no longer a major threat (hah! This is me admitting, for once at least, that I was totally, utterly off base, but CCP did kind of pull it out of left-field) and started focusing on the Caldari instead. When I took a haitus from Federal roleplay because of disagreements with Seriphyn, you stopped pretty much at the very edge of begging me to come back to the Federation just so you'd have someone to argue with. When my haitus ended, you started following me around again. I'd like to point out that I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is a delusional obsessive, or that everyone I dislike is stalking me, or that everyone with whom I have ideological differences is mentally unstable. For instance, one of my best friends in EVE Online - and someone I'd classify as a damn good friend in real life as well - is Verone, who, you know, he runs one of the most successful and well-respected ruin-people's-day-for-fun-and-profit corporations in EVE. Rodj Blake is someone I have a similar amount of repsect for, and he's loyalist Amarrian scum! (For reference, I consider him to be, hands-down, the best roleplayer in the whole of EVE). So really, it's not that you're Caldari or anything like that. It's just you. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

Armas Lankku	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:43:00 - [151] Edited by: Armas Lankku on 19/02/2011 13:43:55 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris internet space shisp psycohology at its finest p.s . i didnt read it e: aw **** i missed it edits dont count
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:52:00 - [152] You have a pretty cool character portrait though. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Flenz	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:19:00 - [153] Factional Warfare is perfect and requires no changes at present. My opinion, stated as fact.
CzechingGeeta Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:38:00 - [154] Just a quick re-cap for new folks who might be seeing this thread: FW is fun, try it out. Every post about FW on the forums turns into the same small group of chest beating morons talking trash about each-other - please ignore them as the rest of us have learned to do. Cheers!
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.19 18:13:00 - [155] Originally by: CzechingGeeta ... Way to ruin it for the new guy! Part of the fun of FW is learning how to identify the blustering chestbeaters and then you go do all the work .. shame on you!
CzechingGeeta Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.19 18:19:00 - [156] psssh... You know only us chest beating morons bother to check the forums anyway - not like I'm ruining it for anyone. :p
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.19 19:42:00 - [157] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Cromwell Savage You just bring so much baggage along that it overshadows everything else... ... shows how low your side is willing to sink. You mean as in glitching NPC Navy aggro in hi-sec and switching to Amarr militia to run down Gallente plexes... LOL...see what I mean Damar? Oh wait, no you don't I like how you take singular actions by others (whether intentional or not) and apply it to an entire milita. Just about everone I fly with do not take your actions or those of your cohorts and apply them to the whole of the Squid militia. Normal banter and smack aside, we actually get along quite well with the majority of Squids as evidenced in temp-blue ops and even ex-squids joining our ranks. If you could just unseat yourself off that drama-llama, you might be surprised at the change in how others would treat you... But alas, Eve internet spaceships is serious business and I feel as if I'm just wasting my time... Rage on my dear Damar...I'm sure I'll get bored enough again to bite some time in the near future
Jamradar Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.19 22:49:00 - [158] is it me or does almost all FW threads spiral into a Gallente/Caldari war of words?
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.02.20 00:36:00 - [159] Edited by: Mutnin on 20/02/2011 00:43:35 Perhaps, all the horrible forum topics that always turn into nothing but bashing each other are testament to how bad FW is ATM.. Then again after looking at CAOD I guess it's not quite as bad as null sec politics. CAOD is the reason our corp is always less than 10 people.. No way in hell can I be baited to post there that way. Then again, I suck at recruiting so maybe that's the real reason. Perhaps though, if we had some reason to actually fight other than playing EVE as an arcade game, to see who gets high score, just maybe we wouldn't need all these topics that always turn to crap.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.20 12:38:00 - [160] Originally by: Jamradar is it me or does almost all FW threads spiral into a Gallente/Caldari war of words? At least in my case I throw the words around because ultimately it was gallente players who whined long and hard to CCP to "balance" the plexing mechanisms and made it largely irrelevant and who also pioneered various dirty tricks in FW. Then they made everyone believe Caldari were to blame all along. Not the mention it was GalMilitia CSM who wanted to "boost the fw missions" despite being told by various people (who actually knew something about FW) that it would turn FW into a massive isk making festival. Surprise surprise, it turned into such and then the GalMilitia CSM said that Caldari were somehow "exploiting" the mechanisms which she wanted to implement. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

Mina Banestar	Posted - 2011.02.20 12:44:00 - [161] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Jamradar is it me or does almost all FW threads spiral into a Gallente/Caldari war of words? At least in my case I throw the words around because ultimately it was gallente players who whined long and hard to CCP to "balance" the plexing mechanisms and made it largely irrelevant and who also pioneered various dirty tricks in FW. Then they made everyone believe Caldari were to blame all along. Not the mention it was GalMilitia CSM who wanted to "boost the fw missions" despite being told by various people (who actually knew something about FW) that it would turn FW into a massive isk making festival. Surprise surprise, it turned into such and then the GalMilitia CSM said that Caldari were somehow "exploiting" the mechanisms which she wanted to implement. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General the problem is that you and the galfed people you obviously share a brain cell with hijack every single fac war thread and turn it into the same back and forth bull**** that no one except you cares about any more, please just give it a rest and let people talk about things without being interupted
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.20 14:08:00 - [162] Originally by: Damar Rocarion At least in my case I throw the words around because ultimately it was gallente players who whined long and hard to CCP to "balance" the plexing mechanisms and made it largely irrelevant and who also pioneered various dirty tricks in FW. Then they made everyone believe Caldari were to blame all along. Because they were. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Armas Lankku	Posted - 2011.02.20 14:18:00 - [163] fw sucks **ing greasy donkey ** and we suck for playing it
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.20 20:02:00 - [164] I like it. I can jump into a FW and have targets around me who are focusing on the real FW players. Which I'm not. Bwahahh! Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.20 22:51:00 - [165] Originally by: Mutnin Perhaps though, if we had some reason to actually fight other than playing EVE as an arcade game, to see who gets high score, just maybe we wouldn't need all these topics that always turn to crap. When you attach a tangible objective to the conflict, the posting only gets worse. You also find yourself waking up at 0330 for a staging POS coming out of reinforced at 0600, but that's just nullsec for you.
Montmazar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.20 23:18:00 - [166] Originally by: Jamradar is it me or does almost all FW threads spiral into a Gallente/Caldari war of words? It really is something.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.21 00:05:00 - [167] Originally by: Mutnin ...Perhaps though, if we had some reason to actually fight other than playing EVE as an arcade game, to see who gets high score, just maybe we wouldn't need all these topics that always turn to crap. Here is my idea: When you have killed a person 25 times he drops an item called "<Pilot's Name> Balls in Jar", that can be used as decoration in Captain's Quarters come Incarna. For every person on mail the requirement is doubled, so we get something to fight for AND a reason not to blob-tard ..
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.21 05:31:00 - [168] Originally by: Mina Banestar the problem is that you and the galfed people you obviously share a brain cell with hijack every single fac war thread and turn it into the same back and forth bull**** that no one except you cares about any more, please just give it a rest and let people talk about things without being interupted Today 20 bc's were spamming local with "gf" when I didnt undock to face them, led by their best known "fun loving, mature and chilling while playing game" FC. Then again we all know gallentes are mainly blobtards and are just angry that they cannot get their daily gank out from me. So i'd say they very much care. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.02.21 05:41:00 - [169] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Then again we all know gallentes are mainly blobtards So it's A-OK when Caldari blob but when Gallente do it it's wrong. Just like everything else, right DR? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.21 11:10:00 - [170] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So it's A-OK when Caldari blob but when Gallente do it it's wrong. Just like everything else, right DR? The difference tends to be that Caldari's less rarely mistake ganking a rifter with half-a-dozen hacs into "good fights" whereas gallentes try to elevate regular ganking/blobbing into a realm of good fights, which are largely missing from FW anyway. If one side can bring the overwhelming blob, of course they will but s..t is still s..t, wrapping it to a paper, spray painting it gold and calling it chocolate wont make a difference. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General

Captain James Kirk	Posted - 2011.02.21 11:53:00 - [171] Originally by: Damar Rocarion I am an FW troll Damar Rocarion Brigadier General I couldn't agree more
Vikarion Caldari Blackened Steel	Posted - 2011.02.21 12:24:00 - [172] Originally by: Montmazar Originally by: Jamradar is it me or does almost all FW threads spiral into a Gallente/Caldari war of words? It really is something. It's not as much fun otherwise! - - - Warning: Having fun, often at your expense!
Bado Sten Minmatar Republican Guard	Posted - 2011.02.21 21:41:00 - [173] Who is Damar Rocarion, and why is he whining so much? As for his claims of no solo PVP, life is what you make it. I only (95% that is ) fly solo, and it's cool. I fly what I can afford to lose, but I fit it to win. I often do as well, but when I encounter superior odds I usually suck it up (the loss, or the need to run), and move on. You just have to be mobile and fly agressively. You will lose a crap-load of ships as well, but that's what you get when flying solo. It sure beats having to listen to drama queens on voice, raving about everyone is a spy and how unfair life is. To the OP, FW is a nice free war-dec, and a good way to get into some (chaotic) fleets. You can also fly around low-sec with even more targets than the pirates. Thats great, beacuse the pirates will usually be in large tanked ships (to counter gate guns), so soloing them is often problematic when in smaller ships. Plexes are great for that though, as they have size restrictions. It could have been really great if doing the plexes and taking the systems meant something. I'm still hopign, but I fear CCP has let it go the way of COSMOS, which is basically forgotten. Have fun!
Oathborne Caldari Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.21 22:30:00 - [174] Originally by: Bado Sten Who is Damar Rocarion, and why is he whining so much? Oh Hai! You must be new. I feel an damarepicemoragesloberingalloverhiskeyboard rant coming...
Sephki Caldari Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2011.02.22 02:15:00 - [175] This thread is now subject to Loki bo--... oh, hey Damar, bestest buddy! Sephki That Loki Booster
Magistrate Aribeth Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2011.02.22 02:43:00 - [176] Edited by: Magistrate Aribeth on 22/02/2011 02:45:01 Originally by: Sephki This thread is now subject to Loki bo--... oh, hey Damar, bestest buddy! Sephki That Loki Booster dat Loki... Edit: MOOOOOOOARRR NANO STABBERS, YERRR BOI
Monger Man	Posted - 2011.02.23 01:13:00 - [177] Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So it's A-OK when Caldari blob but when Gallente do it it's wrong. Just like everything else, right DR? The difference tends to be that Caldari's less rarely mistake ganking a rifter with half-a-dozen hacs into "good fights" whereas gallentes try to elevate regular ganking/blobbing into a realm of good fights, which are largely missing from FW anyway. If one side can bring the overwhelming blob, of course they will but s..t is still s..t, wrapping it to a paper, spray painting it gold and calling it chocolate wont make a difference. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Ok now this is just silly. Damn near every time I get ganked by a squid fleet its gf's all around. Except from me
Mithril Ryder Genstar Inc	Posted - 2011.02.23 07:39:00 - [178] Edited by: Mithril Ryder on 23/02/2011 07:40:17 Originally by: Monger Man Originally by: Damar Rocarion Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So it's A-OK when Caldari blob but when Gallente do it it's wrong. Just like everything else, right DR? The difference tends to be that Caldari's less rarely mistake ganking a rifter with half-a-dozen hacs into "good fights" whereas gallentes try to elevate regular ganking/blobbing into a realm of good fights, which are largely missing from FW anyway. If one side can bring the overwhelming blob, of course they will but s..t is still s..t, wrapping it to a paper, spray painting it gold and calling it chocolate wont make a difference. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General Ok now this is just silly. Damn near every time I get ganked by a squid fleet its gf's all around. Except from me I have a theory that Damar is actually the inventor of the "Reality Distortion Field". He sold it to Steve Jobs back in the day but what he didn't realize is one of the proto-types he made got him stuck in his own personal Reality Distortion Field. The only way for him to escape and lead a normal life is to get back the one he sold to Steve. Unfortunately for Damar, Steve is quite happy with it and won't give it back for any sum of money. Sadly living within this field has taken its toll on poor Damar.
Gibbo5771	Posted - 2011.02.23 14:08:00 - [179] Its ****e
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.02.23 14:17:00 - [180] Originally by: Mithril Ryder Sadly living within this field has taken its toll on poor Damar. Not really but if it's any consolation for you, i'll be starting new job shortly. This coupled with few video editing/writing projects coming up probably means i'll be forced to take an extended leave from the game. Need to set your priorities straight after all.

Omega Sunset Caldari Roughnecks	Posted - 2011.03.27 03:19:00 - [181] Originally by: Gordin Brott As for plexing, yes, it is a terrible mechanic. The post-DT spawns mean there is usually an hour or two of frantic activity by those who happen to be online then, followed by 22 hours of pretty much nothing. Properly randomising plex spawns would in my opinion create a much better environment for small gang pvp. Hey so this isn't fixed? Some guy was trying to convince me that this has been resolved/patched by CCP. It's 4am my time in this case, I don't live in Europe. Getting up at 4am to log into EVE isn't going to happen. I want to put a character in FW, part of why I got a sub for EVE (before I found out about this prob), but as in other games this would be probably my activity of choice, while the rest not interesting me enough to put the time into training a character for FW and joining. I don't want to solo pvp, don't want to easy-mission-run, just want to defend/attack complex bases with frigates mainly. Pilot's Journal
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.03.27 05:36:00 - [182] It's half fixed. Plexes immediately respawn if they respawn into the same type of occupancy. The respawn after DT if they are moved to the other side. Ex: Gallente plex respawns in Gallente system immediately. Ex: Gallente plex respawns in Caldari system after DT.
Tanaka Sekigahara	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:53:00 - [183] I've always had a blast in FW.I've never understood the comments like "It's all T1 frigs and cruisers and noone fields decent ships", or "I can't find any fleets, nothings going on "( there is always something going on), or the opposite, which is people whining "all they do is blob". I have been in every kind of fleet in FW, from CAP fights, to a great many 40 v 40 fights, countless 3v5, 10 v 12, 20 v 25, whatever. Solo fights. Small gang fights. Fleet fights. Seen em all.some guys fight FW and plex all the time. Some have been in FW for years and never enter a plex, all their efforts devoted to hunting in the pipes. Others play it like a wargame, not trying to be concerned about 1 fight or it's outcome, but the overall picture, i.e., who controls what, and where. Who controls the resources and moons and belts, not the plexes. I've taken breaks from FW, (2)but ive been in it basically since a week after it started.I'm no great shakes or anything, but I have been around a bit.Being as you asked I'll share a few observations. First, the concept that FW pilots rot is mistaken.While a great many, in fact probably the majority of FW pilots are transients in nature( most prolly stay less than 3 months), there are quite a few guys who have been in it since it started, or for a few years at least.These are the guys getting most of the action and most of the kills. Some are in FW corps, and some are just in the state militia. There are guys out there everyday all day long that have thousands of kills under their belts, and as often as not they can hand a 0.0 pilot his arse, especially in a small gang fight, like 12 v 12. There are a lot of FW fleets where the discipline, both in deployment and comms is as good or better than I see from 0.0 corps. On the other hand , there is this vast pool of transients, in ill fitted ships that the FC may not really want ( if he asks for help outside of corp)who have no discipline and spend the better part of the day in militia chat whining about how nothing is happening and they cant get an invite, all the while fights are raging across the region. Sometimes it's quite funny.After awhile you feel sorry for the guys and tell them what they need to do to get Xd up, but as often as not they get angry and complain about how the other militia snots wont let them into fleet. A few things to understand here.lotta guys go out in T2 ships, frigs, cruisers, Faction ships and T3.They dont want to risk there 250 mil ship ( my avg frig fit is 50 mil plus)with some guy next to him in a 10 mil fit caracal with no comms discipline that wants to chat while FC is trying to give orders.the reason they dont is because they've been there, done that tried it and got killed. So generally and FC will look for a guy thats at least gotten a couple solo kills, or at least taken the initiative to pair up with some other noob and gone out and tried to do some damage. Militia FCs watch the KBs. They know who is doing what.When a noob asks for an invite and FC will ask the fleet" can anyone vouch for this guy? has anyone seen him in the pipes? has he done anything?" If the answer is yes he gets picked up.if not well, if he still around in a couple weeks and loosk Kosher, he gets picked up. Best bet is try to do something, anything, on your own, so the rest of the fleet can have some small measure of comfort when they accept your x. At least get a kill.Something. Much is made of the paranoia of militia FCs. This is because of experience.When you have had a wing commander warp his wing to an enemy POS deliberately to get everyone killed, and you and a dozen corpmates, along with 30 other guys die in a fire, it dont seem so much like paranoia. spies are out there, they are used, and used everyday, all day long.A responsible FC ensures fleet security. If he doesnt, then people die and people won't join his fleet next time he tries to form one. War is Hell- William Tecumseh Sherman
Tanaka Sekigahara	Posted - 2011.03.28 20:31:00 - [184] THE WAR The war itself is quite fascinating, and the pendulum swings back and forth.there was a time when Cal militia couldnt enter tama, because the gate was perma camped, by either pirates or Gal militia, or 0.0 alliance farm corps. A tear later you could fly from Tama through Blackrise to W4 gate in 0.0 and npt get molested, not a gal to be found,Pirates all killed or run off, and every Gallente system owned by caldari.A year after that the pendulum swings back the other way, control of systems is fairly static, but Caldari is getting the worst of it, if you look at overall kills for the week. There are several unique challenges to FW FCs.One is the pilots.For every skilled veteran you have in a properlay fitted ship there is 2 guys in T1 cruisers or frigs, when you asked for T2 hulls only, or at leats a BC. What to do with these guys? There are a lot of them, and its sometimes a lot of manpower to turn your nose up at, especially when your fleet has 20 guys and the enemy fleet is 35.Finding a way to effectively utilize these guys is a challenge, and forces militia FCs to be a bit more ingenuitive, a bit more resourceful than say his 0.0 counterpart if he is to be succesful.The good ones are. another issue is the fact it isnt a true alliance. It is an amalgamation of corps, and the state pool of pilots. The problem he is that no unified training standard can be imposed, and woe unto him who tries to do so.The rest of the militia will often as not try to cannabalize he who presumes to tell the rest how to fight or how to fit.FW corps wardeccing each other is common. Not as common as it was in the first year, but it still happens. Command and control issues are enormous.state pro is on eve voice, some other guys corp is using TS, someone else's corp is using vent, and yet a another group of corps use mumble.between the disparate training, the transient pilots, the spies, the comm issues, it is quite challenging for militita FCs, and when the better ones leave for 0.0 they are usually well prepared. Small gang warfare reigns supreme.Cant get any better.It is constant( unlike in 0.0 where you need to be on the front) it's everywhere, and some of those guys have been running those pipes almost 3 years now.They joined with a caracal. Now they have carriers sitting in station waiting for an excuse to undock them. This is, to an extent, an embittered conflict.This is going on awhile now, and almost half a million ships lost in FW so far, over 200,000 in Black rise alone.The fighting is as savage as anywhere in ever, and i think youd be hard pressed to find another campaign as bloody, at least as far as total ship losses.sure, the isk spent in 0.0 is magnitudes greater, with it's POS and CAP fights, but make no mistake, FW is not a peaceful place. At the end of the day it's a great place to find action, there are many good pilots on all sides, and it is a conflict that has its own character, its own flavor, it's own challenges.Plex mechanics are borked.To me, it was never abouth the plexes.It's about comntrol of the resources, just like anywhere else in eve. Some guys join FW and they are looking for a joust.Some guys wanna get their feet wet in PvP. Some want a break from the rigid structured environment of 0.0 life. Others wanna spend an hour here or there blowing some crap up before their wife starts ****ing at them again. Some guys are out there waging a long and bloody war. In the end, like in any war, the side that wins ( can anyone win Eve?), that has the upper hand, is gonna be the side that destroys the others will to fight, and makes them pack their bags, and go back to 0.0, from whence they came..... War is Hell*- William Tecumseh Sherman
Bezerk'ah Vulkan Caldari Resilience.	Posted - 2011.03.28 23:51:00 - [185] Oh man...all i can say is that i left FW to join some RL friends in a null sec corp...and boy, do i miss FW?...yes a lot! Might shoot...i mean see you gals very soon... ;)
Silence iKillYouu Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.29 02:00:00 - [186] Once youve been a part of FW u won't find anything to match the fun u have. Unless ur amarr and u sit in houla until Pred logs in.
Miss Leatherpants	Posted - 2011.03.29 02:01:00 - [187] Originally by: Bezerk'ah Vulkan Oh man...all i can say is that i left FW to join some RL friends in a null sec corp...and boy, do i miss FW?...yes a lot! Might shoot...i mean see you gals very soon... ;) My sentiments exactly. I moved to 0.0 last year after FW got to be a bit of a drag, but I really miss it. 0.0 may be where the "big" games are, but it's got nothing on the intensity of FW. Warping to system with 500+ pilots in 0.0 is intense the first go around, but after that it's just tiresome. You realize that you're simply cannon-fodder for that 8-year vet who's getting cyno'd in on his titan/mom and that when/if your alliance takes this new system he's going to take a lion's share of the rewards there-in. I'm just waiting for my chance to take part in the great NC civil war before I come home , looking forward to the upcoming anom nerf.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.03.29 02:42:00 - [188] Originally by: Bezerk'ah Vulkan Oh man...all i can say is that i left FW to join some RL friends in a null sec corp...and boy, do i miss FW?...yes a lot! Might shoot...i mean see you gals very soon... ;) o/ B! Welcome back!
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.03.29 04:53:00 - [189] I used to train my ex corp in FW. We recruited a bunch of new people that had to learn the game (well, PvP mostly) so FW was a logical solution. It's great to teach your corp mates (or learn from them) the basics of PvP in FW, like gang movement, scouting, calling primaries, etc. A good training ground for any future activity.
Troubadour Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.29 16:22:00 - [190] You know, there was a CSM that ran on a platform of improving Factional Warfare instead of just neglecting it. Ya'll should have voted for Elise Randolph, fools. Lost by less than 200 votes.

Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.03.29 16:57:00 - [191] Originally by: Troubadour You know, there was a CSM that ran on a platform of improving Factional Warfare instead of just neglecting it. Ya'll should have voted for Elise Randolph, fools. Lost by less than 200 votes. yeah because the FW situation would be fixed by a csm.... ccp invented it, made a huge hoopla about it and have just left it and its problems fester till theres no one left. Meep Meep!
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.03.29 20:46:00 - [192] Originally by: Troubadour You know, there was a CSM that ran on a platform of improving Factional Warfare instead of just neglecting it. Ya'll should have voted for Elise Randolph, fools. Lost by less than 200 votes. If only he'd a won everything would have changed. No doubt.


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