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Cyrus Doul
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2011.02.15 11:51:00 -
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THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS!
sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here.
Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month.
If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is:
Speed - max bandwith (down + up)
12meg - 100gb
20meg - 250gb
60meg - 500gb
The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months.
They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder.
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Ocih
Amarr
The Program
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.16 08:52:00 -
[122]
 Originally by: Cyrus Doul
THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS!
sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here.
Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month.
If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is:
Speed - max bandwith (down + up)
12meg - 100gb
20meg - 250gb
60meg - 500gb
The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months.
They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder.
Bell Canada has put holds on thier overage fees too. Same thing, the overage metering is flawed. Blocking your connection for 6 months won't last long. If they cut my net for 6 months, they aren't getting paid. That won't work out so well for them. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.16 09:19:00 -
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So basicly this is just about Bell, then. Easy fix to that, let money talk.
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Cindy Marco
Minmatar
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2011.02.16 09:38:00 -
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Sadly in America at least it comes down to your area. If theres only one broadband option in your area, your going to get screwed. I'm 15 minutes outside of a major city, and for awhile there was only one broadband company here. They treated their customers like crap, and the internet would be down for at least 2 hours every day. When I moved away for about a year it was the same thing, one provider and horrible service.
But now that there are 4 major broadband companies operating here all of their services have improved. I have a unmetered 24mbps dsl line for half of what I payed for 10mbps (very unreliable) 4 years ago. The one company that was here was going to introduce bandwidth caps, but once some competition came in they cancelled the plans for it.
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Milla Jovobitch
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Posted - 2011.02.17 19:42:00 -
[125]
 , I play in East Africa, and even with these connections I'm able to play Eve ok. I've got a satellite connection: ping >650ms, usually max. 10kB/s.
I pay $20 per 1GB of traffic, but Eve uses so little bandwidth that I barely notice it on my bill.
Once, however, an update went wrong and I had to download the whole 6GB thing (took FOREVER). Paid $120 for Eve that time.
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Directors Assistant
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.18 02:04:00 -
[126]
ohai from Australia, where convincing our major telco they can't charge an additional fee for accepting cash over the counter is judged a win. 
Youtube: Basket Case - Green Day (Official Music Video) [HD]
Don't get me started...
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.04.13 02:47:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 13/04/2011 02:56:15
Alright, bringing back an older yet important thread. I went out and bought a Virgin Mobile Broadband2Go device with the unlimited plan. I tested how much bandwidth EvE uses:
Time duration: 10 minutes.
Location: Neesher - sat undocked at top station.
Actions: None. No modules activated nor ship movement.
Population: 10 people in local. None on grid.
Server Time: 02:23
Active channels: local, NPC corp, help, and recruitment.
Start
Bytes in - 10,932
Bytes out - 29,373
End
Bytes in - 86,492
Bytes out - 50,783
I'll edit or create another post when I perform the same thing outside Jita 4-4.
*edit*
I just tried this with WoW and making a new character. The bandwidth usage was significantly higher. I suspect it's because of their live background updates.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.13 07:03:00 -
[128]
If you are just floating somwhere doing nothing: the client sends to the server just "i'm alive, hold on"
If you are doing a mission/mining: "a bit more, the amount you would expect from an mmo"
IF you are in a bigger fleet fight: lots
IF your in a 800 man fleetfight or in jita, turn off you're computer you do not want to see this.
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Drop Dead Sexy
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Posted - 2011.04.13 09:04:00 -
[129]
limited internet connection OUCH!!
unlimited 100mb connection for country wise use, over vast optic fiber network (almost every house, flat has optic fiber in bigger cities in Lithuania)
and unlimited 40mb connection to the world
the price for all of this 20$
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GizzyBoy
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Posted - 2011.04.13 10:58:00 -
[130]
nz i pay $1 nzd per gig (78 cents usd), its ok, i have a number of servers etc hosted to do various things,
eve uses bugger all of my total, I knew one guy in the stats using a mobile phone, and running his mining fleet of 3 hulks (pre orca) and it ran ok.
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Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:21:00 -
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Here in the cold and unforgiving welfare states of Northern EU, you only pay for the bandwidth in my case 50Ç/month for max bandwidth. 
Billing based on usage is communism btw.  
And yes I came here just to gloat on your misery for living in a country of a technological stone age.
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Bantros
Noir.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:36:00 -
[132]
Ouch! ú25pm for fibre optic unlimited 40Mb connection in the UK and I thought we were a bit behind on broadband pricing and structure. Not too bad after all
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Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:14:00 -
[133]
Fortunately my ISP seems to have boorked the way they set up the connection at my apartment complex. They linked the entire complex through one line and can't disconnect individual apartments from the line, so I just bought a $40 gateway and am now enjoying 100% free internet (minus the $40 for the gateway, shh you)
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.13 22:26:00 -
[134]
As someone who is currently using a 3g tethered connection for eve, I have been watching my bandwidth for a couple months now.
If I leave 2 clients of EVE on 23/7(for various reasons like afk cloaking), it uses around 100mbs per day.
That is if I use the connection solely for EVE.
I don't know if it will increase if you join fleet battles of 1000+ and stuff(don't know if it matters)
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Kaiden Ahishatsu
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Posted - 2011.04.14 13:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely.
Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :).
You realize that the point of 'net neutrality' is to prevent ISPs from pulling this kind of thing, right?
You've been listening to too much faux news.
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Jizara DragonFire
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:15:00 -
[136]
Okay, so i just want some conformation, i have read a good portion of the previous posts and i am convinced that i will be able to play EVE during the summer which pleases me greatly cause i needed background mining to help me do my homework. ^^
In either event, I am working on verizon wireless mifi 2200 internet...which is essentially a cell phone broadcasting internet...we have a data usuage of 5 gbs a month and i'm not the only one using the internet...i still will need to download a program from verizon that will tell me roughly how much has been used during the given month.
I don't play eve regularly but enough that i need to question, will my internet handle it for the summer while i am home...i don't know what regular speed is but if people are playing on dial up then i am fine there, just need the data usuage to be fine.
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Altima Gen
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:44:00 -
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So, Infrastructure is owned by oldschool companies used to charging for things like tv and long distance phone plans. 10 years ago we all paid hundreds a month for these things. now we want to pay 20 bucks a month to stream our shows/movies skyp etc. so the infrastructure owners( who are the cable providers and hard line phone providers, are seeing less and less profit per user. no wonder they want to limit bandwith.
It has nothing to do with the 'available amount of bandwidth' but its about protecting their fat profit margins.
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theocratis
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:47:00 -
[138]
thought i would toss in my iphone data usage with tethering enabled. this is eve plus youtube and forum surfing.
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.05.13 10:30:00 -
[139]
Single EVE client takes around 5kb/s download bandwidth usually. But when you're doing something like opening market it could be 10kb/s.
EVE seems using TCP connections mostly and somehow sensitive to the internet condition if you're running multi-clients, as my experience.
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:11:00 -
[140]
over 9000 kb/s!
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.05.14 06:31:00 -
[141]
What I mean is even some FPS game wouldn't take that much: For example WOT use UDP connections and usually take around 3KB/s download stream.
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Hacra
Minmatar
Cosmodynamics
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.05.14 11:14:00 -
[142]
When i am not in any fleet battle net limiter shows around 0.1 - 1.5 kbps all the time, often much less than 1kbps.
So if this game would have been released in the golden days of dial up modems it would have succeeded mostlikely 
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.05.14 11:48:00 -
[143]
week or so
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:40:00 -
[144]
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Okay, so I did some checking...
Today we do not track this. We keep up with the CPU and Memory used per player on our cluster but not the bandwidth per user.
I think it's a really good idea to have this data and I am asking our leet DBA's and Network guys to start collecting it.
It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.29 14:21:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month.
It's not a new thing though. Cable/phone/internet has been a government created and enforced natural monopoly forever because franchise laws economically restrict smaller and startup providers from competing with larger providers, as well as restricting access to poles, underground areas for laying cables/fiber lines and public right-of-ways for switching stations.
Allowing 'broadband' providers to compete with cable companies for cable service was a small start, but it didn't work as they simply decided to charge the same rates as the cable companies; UVerse costs the same in my city as COX does. vOv
For internet, despite the fact that I live in an urban area, I have three choices for hardwired broadband. The cable company, the phone company and satellite. All three cost the same. Of those three, only satellite is the clear loser because of weather considerations.
I chose DSL because I don't want TV service. Don't have an option to just get internet for a price that is reasonable from cable. Because the cable companies can't compete with each other (there is a smaller one in one of the suburbs), that will likely never be an option. If they were allowed to compete, there might be a chance they would offer a internet only service. Who knows.
At anyrate; the lack of competition has really killed US broadband development, which is really ironic, IMHO, considering we're a society with so many free market principles ingrained in us.
That an our former VP, Al Gore having invented the internet to being with...
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Chris Bailey
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Posted - 2011.05.29 14:33:00 -
[146]
When my router died on me in the middle of a fleet i used my phones broadband and it didn't use much internet
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ACESsiggy
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.29 15:12:00 -
[147]
Edited by: ACESsiggy on 29/05/2011 15:14:01
Edited by: ACESsiggy on 29/05/2011 15:13:19
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS!
sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here.
Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month.
If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is:
Speed - max bandwith (down + up)
12meg - 100gb
20meg - 250gb
60meg - 500gb
The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months.
They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder.
Dude I have CHARTER and I do not have any 'badwidth limit.' The service that I pay for is 20Mb Down and 3.0up without limits and I've never heard of a U.S. cable company doing this (well the cable company's that I've purchased services from).
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.05.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: ACESsiggy
Dude I have CHARTER and I do not have any 'badwidth limit.' The service that I pay for is 20Mb Down and 3.0up without limits and I've never heard of a U.S. cable company doing this (well the cable company's that I've purchased services from).
Charter's bandwidth limits are in their terms of service. Even if the agreement you signed when you got your service (they've had the cap for about a year) didn't have the limits, there is probably a clause in it saying that they can change them at their whim and to refer to the online terms of service. Maybe you just haven't hit the cap.
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Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies
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Posted - 2011.05.29 17:59:00 -
[149]
I can say *also being Canadian * i live in Ontario*
i have a Internet Cap of 60Gbs ..*there is unlimted* .. its like $1.50 per gig over
this month i went over as i installed windows 7 on a new HHD -_-
i cant really tell you the bandwidth either since i would like to know asell .. we have 2 win7 computers going and a Ancient P4 Xp going ......in the house
ill add more later on gotta go outside
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:52:00 -
[150]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Okay, so I did some checking...
Today we do not track this. We keep up with the CPU and Memory used per player on our cluster but not the bandwidth per user.
I think it's a really good idea to have this data and I am asking our leet DBA's and Network guys to start collecting it.
It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it.
Has it been a week, yet?
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