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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Yokai on 02/02/2011 18:57:18 I'll see what data the Research and Statistics guys have but also get you the average bandwidth per user given our network consumption graphs. Should help provide a very general idea of the average usage statistics with the entire player base instead of a single use case.
I'll update this thread tomorrow.
Thanks!
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:04:00 -
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It would help if you put chat channels back to how they used to be as far as avatars are concerned, where we choose to see them instead of having to load them by default. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
Catlos JeminJees
Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:10:00 -
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I live in Edmonton AB Canada. and the meter service already started here. my plan with the ISP gives me 100GB/ month and $1 per GB after the 100.
I heard on the radio that they are looking to apeal the law but it will probably take months/years.
the reason this happend is because of NETFLIX. They came in Nov. and 2 months later this happed.
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Faye LaFrege
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:36:00 -
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I like in uk and have a 10gb a month dl limit.
I normally exceed that by around 5gb as I stream a lot of tv.
Eve itself uses little bandwidth, so if you dont stream/torrent movies and tv, and download your games from steam etc, you should be fine.
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Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 02/02/2011 18:57:18 I'll see what data the Research and Statistics guys have but also get you the average bandwidth per user given our network consumption graphs. Should help provide a very general idea of the average usage statistics with the entire player base instead of a single use case.
I'll update this thread tomorrow.
Thanks!
Would be good to include this info on the system requirements page once its been collated. may make people with limited connections realise that they can game online (at least with Eve).
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.02.02 20:06:00 -
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http://www.canadiandownload.com/ For that coming humongous Incarna patch, and to keep up with EVE¦s increase in bandwidth usage since the mandatory downloading of useless character portraits. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
teh mole
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Posted - 2011.02.02 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin network traffic in EVE depends entirely on what you do, if you stand still on empty grid it will be less than 0.1KB/s
new xero generic 3d plastic avatars mean every jump = downloading whole local avatar list from server.
Btw lol at the state of internet in America. Here in Europe Im getting unmetered 120/10 Mbit for <$50. 20/2 is $20. Can saturate both directions any time of the day (seeding torrents right now). No filters, no caps, no nanny internet censorship.
Not everybody uses Comcast. Comcast is a tier 3 provider. I get my internet from Verizon (Teir 1 provider). It's a 25MB/25MB fiberoptic connection to my CO. There are no modems for verizon fios connections as its a direct hookup to ethernet from the ONT.
I live in Rhode Island which has just about the fastest connection in the country. Second only to Delaware but only by a tinybit. Verizon Fios has no restrictions on usage and none of my ports are blocked. Top speed in my area for Fios is 150MB/30MB. I have a bundle with TV, Phone, Internet. All I pay is $128 w/taxes.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.02.02 21:29:00 -
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I would imagine that what is happening in Canada will not last forever.
A good long while maybe, but not forever unless they abandon all concepts of the free market. Competition will compel things to go back the way they were.
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Frecator Dementa
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.02 21:35:00 -
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I'm currently on a 3G mobile modem whose software gives out pretty nifty traffic graphs
EvE uses about 5kbps (under 1 KB/s) when idle in Jita 80kbps (10 KB/s) when fetching market orders 30kbps (~ 4KB/s) outside Jita 4-4
Also, unlimited traffic from each and every ISP in the country. Romania FTW ---- <sig goes here> |
DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.02.02 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian I would imagine that what is happening in Canada will not last forever.
A good long while maybe, but not forever unless they abandon all concepts of the free market. Competition will compel things to go back the way they were.
"Free Market" and "Canadian ISPs" don't seem to go well together. We've got more of an oligopoly and they'd like to keep it that way.
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Connan O' Brian
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Posted - 2011.02.02 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Connan O'' Brian on 02/02/2011 22:54:29 Edited by: Connan O'' Brian on 02/02/2011 22:53:52
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Maimakterion
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely.
Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :).
Your post there contradicted itself multiple times and made zero sense. Read up on the issue before you post anything about net neutrality: WIKIPEDIA Network Neutrality in the United States
Where I am always quick to bloviate and demonstrate my high intelligence and moral superirity on most topics, Net Neutrality is one of those topics that I just scratch my head over and ask to be spoken to about it as if I were 5 years old.
Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it.
Yeah.... if you like the internet in its current form, you need to support Net Neutrality. All the major ISP's are fighting tooth and nail to do here what they just did in Canada. They want to cap usage, throttle speeds and tier package internet packages.
-Comcast- "Oh you want to play Eve online" -You- "yes" -Comcast- Then you will need to upgrade to our "Gamers Package". For an additional $39.99 a month, you get an additional 5GB's of bandwidth per month, capped at 1mbps per second, dedicated to gaming on Xbox Live and the Playstaion Network, in addition to World of Warcraft and pogo.com. -You- "...um, speed capped?" -Comcast- "Yes...." -You- "...um... okay. But I play Eve Online. Does this 5GB's apply towards that. -Comcast- ""I dont know, I have never heard of Eve Online? Is that a game? It may be covered, i'm not sure..." -You- "Can you find out? -Comcast- (Sigh)... "Please Hold."
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For once the FCC is on your side here. They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea.
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ElJo123
Sons Of 0din C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.02.02 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it.
You could start by reading about ARPAnet, the predecessor of the Internet. Might wanna pay note to the fact that it was US government money that paid for the research, and made public by the US government: and how the web (you know, this forum thingy uses it) was paid for by (this time european) governments; and how private enterprises tried to build their own little islands of connectivity (AOL yay, MSN, Comcast) and failed miserably.
But yeah, it's all crap.
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Catlos JeminJees
Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium
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Posted - 2011.02.02 23:08:00 -
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if u want to sign the petition to apeal the law go to this web site
http://openmedia.ca/meter ---------------------------------------- -Nebraska Mining Consortium-[/b][/u] |
Minsc
Gallente A.W.M
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Posted - 2011.02.03 00:03:00 -
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here's a little clip I found quite funny. It's a clip of a bell rep trying to justify the change and the increase in costs and a rep from one of the indy ISP's basically calling him on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIls-iZtx0&
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 00:20:00 -
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I've installed a bandwidth monitor a few months ago when I got told by ISP that I had a 20gb limit. So far Eve uses almost nothing. Without patches you can pretty much write off eve as no usage. Real bandwidth usage is streaming video, music, ventrilo etc.
We are talking about only a few megabytes an hour, really nothing.
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DjLowballer
Amarr Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2011.02.03 00:20:00 -
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25/35 Gb cap? That is madness. My connection is 200/100 and I would use that cap in no time.
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2011.02.03 00:25:00 -
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The best shortcut to limit bandwidth usage is CTRL-Q. I've been told it cuts your usage down ALOT.
Seriously, surely there must be some service offering unmetered provision? Where there's a demand there's usually a supplier... Just look at the market for mouldy cheese. There are people who actually eat it and pay for the privilege, thus there are people who make it! :) |
Catlos JeminJees
Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium
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Posted - 2011.02.03 01:22:00 -
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The CRTC ( Regulator) in canada also passed a law that makes all of the small ISP adopt this time of billing system. so as for canada no there is no ISP that Will provide unlimited usage. not yet any way 3/5 political parties have stated they dont support the CRTCs decission and will look to apeal it. so there is still hope for us Canucs ---------------------------------------- -Nebraska Mining Consortium-[/b][/u] |
Ruah Piskonit
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 03:08:00 -
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I was recntly in Pakistan doing some work there and had no issues playing eve with a USB internet divice that gave me 56k/s at best. Of course the patch update took me 2 days (and cost me a small fortune) but th game itself ran fine even in pvp.
EvE uses suprisingly little bandwith actually, I hav played it with no problems on 26k dial up with almost no issues as well - and at max graphics (since thats the computer, not the connection so much).
For patchs though - I suggest you either find a faster connection or get it from a friend on a cd.
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shackdavid
Caldari Crowded Igloo
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Posted - 2011.02.03 04:00:00 -
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HI, am using 13meg per day, 8 hrs at work, on wireless link for pve.
cheers
shack
Quote: It takes a courageous man, to be a coward in the Red Army.
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Triple Entendre
Emergence Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 05:05:00 -
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Apparently, Mooselandia's government is now telling CRTC to STFU
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Connan O' Brian
-Comcast- "Oh you want to play Eve online" -You- "yes" -Comcast- Then you will need to upgrade to our "Gamers Package". For an additional $39.99 a month, you get an additional 5GB's of bandwidth per month, capped at 1mbps per second, dedicated to gaming on Xbox Live and the Playstaion Network, in addition to World of Warcraft and pogo.com. -You- "...um, speed capped?" -Comcast- "Yes...." -You- "...um... okay. But I play Eve Online. Does this 5GB's apply towards that. -Comcast- ""I dont know, I have never heard of Eve Online? Is that a game? It may be covered, i'm not sure..." -You- "Can you find out? -Comcast- (Sigh)... "Please Hold."
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That right there is why I was very happy to move out of a Comcast (aka @Home at the time) service area. As an L3 Support Admin, I do have some sympathy to HelpDesk people, but that only goes so far...
That got replaced by Cablevision (OptOnline) in northern NJ; Did much better there, though it took a couple service calls to get them to understand that I really *do* work from home sometimes, and the link needs to be more stable. Only major issue I ever had with them was when we had to upload an Oracle DST patch DVD through our work VPN; It took over an hour, and they secretly throttled our link (for abuse of uploading bandwith) until I called them asking why things didn't feel right. Upgrading to Boost level nipped that in the bud too.
I highly recommend Cablevision in the US, especially as a SysAdmin (did not take too long to make the L1 tech's eyes glaze over, and bump me to the L3). Just be wary of their DNS propagation, and go straight to Boost if you're serious about gaming or proper telecommuting /w work.
The current place is on FiOS (package deal, similar to an earlier post), which I find very amusing as the house is so old it has non-grounded power ports. I've been on fleet fight tests over the wireless link (on my desktop), and have had two clients and TS running with no issue. The only problem is that I saturate the wireless (G) link during heavy activity, so there's a plan to eventually drop a wire down to where I am. We do have some restriction on ports here; Mostly a block on 80, since you're given 'free' hosting space in their datacenter anyway.
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Ver Selam
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Posted - 2011.02.03 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ver Selam on 03/02/2011 06:58:57 Edit: nvm, that guy got to it first ^
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Ascendic
Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 03/02/2011 07:39:40
Originally by: Muna Kea
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye.
the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards?
Not do. Did! Most depressing :(
From my ISP:
The Internet as we have grown to know it is about to change. Usage based billing to take effect March 1,2011
Virtually all DSL Internet Service Providers (ISP's) in Ontario & Quebec use a portion of Bell's network to connect their customers to the ISP's network. A large portion of the fee you pay your ISP every month goes towards paying Bell for the ISP to gain access to the copper wire between the Bell central office and your home or business (the last mile). Once connected to the ISP, customers can then be connected / routed through the ISP's backbone connection(s) out to the internet.
Last year Bell Canada applied to the CRTC for permission to charge an addition fee for data that travels over their network (even though the ISP has already been paying for this portion of Bell's network). The CRTC has approved this extra usage fee, and this fee is set to take effect starting March 1/2010.
This Usage Based Billing (UBB) will affect all Internet subscribers in Canada, no matter which ISP you subscribe to. We bring this to your attention, because some of the fees could be substantial, depending on how much data you use every month. Gone are the days of unlimited or even high cap packages.
FEAR NOT!
Petitions were started and have over 300k signatures currently. Stephen Harper has also reinforced that the bill will be reviewed. We may yet be saved!
Also Please visit here to sign Linkage
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Korvan Hraldir Davanev
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Posted - 2011.02.03 08:22:00 -
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I play eve using mobile broadband. Last month I played 2-3 hours a night on average and just about stayed under 1gb for the month
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.03 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana It would help if you put chat channels back to how they used to be as far as avatars are concerned, where we choose to see them instead of having to load them by default.
Agreed, I think eve has started using about 10 times the download thanks to this.
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2011.02.03 08:57:00 -
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I pay ~20 $ for 5 mbps unlimited traffic there is also ~7$ plan for 1mbps unlimited
it's strange that in Canada unlimited plan is not available
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:11:00 -
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Quote: Yeah.... if you like the internet in its current form, you need to support Net Neutrality. All the major ISP's are fighting tooth and nail to do here what they just did in Canada. They want to cap usage, throttle speeds and tier package internet packages.
The issue is that effectively in Canada apparently only one company is both in charge of the infrastructure and also offers the internet access, while all other ISPs are virtual providers. Then add an incompetent organisation that is supposed to watch them, and you got this monopoly.
Here the major ISPs might in their wildest dreams have bandwidth usage restrictions, but there is honestly no way they can do it without going bankrupt, at least not if they do such ridiculously low limits as in Canada. Because here (Netherlands) there is a healthy internet market, so free market does the job fine. There are several ADSL networks (so not virtual providers, we obviously have them too, but also physical different networks, only last part to your home goes via same infrastructure), then you also got the cable networks and fiber that is rolled out pretty fast. So you dont have one phyisical provider that has a effectively a monopoly.
Oh and btw net neutrality isnt all that good. Sure there are good parts about it, but at the same time I think it is not only reasonable, but actually a great idea to give traffic with high latency demands, for example gaming, but also remote desktop, voip, etc priority over traffic with low latency demands, like usenet, torrent, etc. The speed of those usenet downloads then should not be significantly affected, while you can gain much better latency for gaming when the network is under high load.
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Lexa Hellfury
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev I play eve using mobile broadband. Last month I played 2-3 hours a night on average and just about stayed under 1gb for the month
That would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Darth Skorpius
m3 Corp Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:18:00 -
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welcome to where new zealands internet has been for over 10 years. except canadas excus is compeltely ******ed.
on topic: i currently have a 40gb a month data cap, which is fine for 2 gamers providing we dont go crazy with our downloading like we did over christmas with the steam sale (it was still cheaper than buying the games we got in store). i play a number of mmos and still dont usually go over the cap. if you are the only one using the conenction, you will be fine. if there are a couple of casual internet users (general web surfing kinda things) you should be fine as well
hope that helps, and i hope that sutpid ruling gets overturned, as no one should have to suffer through the hell that is data caps ____________________________________________
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