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Razputon	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:22:00 - [1] As a Canadian player I am staring down the possibility of metered internet. As such I am going to have to pay for everything over 15-25GB per month of bandwidth. As such I am going to have to watch my bandwidth usage or face a massive internet bill. So, does anyone know how much bandwidth Eve uses, say on a per hour basis? A lot of us in Canada are trying to stop this from coming but a lot of ISP's are plunging ahead.
Mister Cletus	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:30:00 - [2] I am really sorry, but no one has replied yet so I feel obligated. Unfortunately, my reply will be of no use whatsoever and will serve to only bump your post back to the top. If your question had been about DRONE bandwidth, I might have had something constructive to say.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:35:00 - [3] There are quite a few people who still use Dial up. 15 Gb should be more than enough to play EVE and watch all the pron you want.
Bodrul Caldari Future Dynamics	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Razputon As a Canadian player I am staring down the possibility of metered internet. As such I am going to have to pay for everything over 15-25GB per month of bandwidth. As such I am going to have to watch my bandwidth usage or face a massive internet bill. So, does anyone know how much bandwidth Eve uses, say on a per hour basis? A lot of us in Canada are trying to stop this from coming but a lot of ISP's are plunging ahead. since most the stuff is on your system the only data that is sent are couple KB/MBs ............ Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness) Game Reviews
Razputon	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:40:00 - [5] Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye.
Razputon	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Bodrul since most the stuff is on your system the only data that is sent are couple KB/MBs KB/s wouldn't be bad. Mb/sec, not so much. 1 MB/s would be 3Gb/hr.
Glyn Davish Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:45:00 - [7] I hope it gets better for all of our northern bros. I know you can track the bandwidth by hitting ctrl-alt-shift-m, or something close to that, unless that has changed recently.
Yosarian Manth Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:46:00 - [8] EVE will be a in the tens of kb/s, so don't worry about normal gameplay, just downloading updates. You might want to try installing something like Netstat to monitor your bandwidth usage though.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:47:00 - [9] Eve uses less than a kilobyte every second. In large fleet engagements this can go as high as 20Kbps. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:14:00 - [10] Ctrl + Alt + Shift + M That will open performance monitor (do not change any of the settings there... those settings are for debugging purposes only). In one of the tabs (think it was "Network" one) you'll see Kbytes in and Kbytes out statistics.

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards?
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? I wouldn¦t count on it. I bet they have lots of more surprises for you (& ultimately everybody else) in store with the current and future Net Neutrality bills. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Muna Kea	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? Not do. Did! Most depressing :( From my ISP: The Internet as we have grown to know it is about to change. Usage based billing to take effect March 1,2011 Virtually all DSL Internet Service Providers (ISP's) in Ontario & Quebec use a portion of Bell's network to connect their customers to the ISP's network. A large portion of the fee you pay your ISP every month goes towards paying Bell for the ISP to gain access to the copper wire between the Bell central office and your home or business (the last mile). Once connected to the ISP, customers can then be connected / routed through the ISP's backbone connection(s) out to the internet. Last year Bell Canada applied to the CRTC for permission to charge an addition fee for data that travels over their network (even though the ISP has already been paying for this portion of Bell's network). The CRTC has approved this extra usage fee, and this fee is set to take effect starting March 1/2010. This Usage Based Billing (UBB) will affect all Internet subscribers in Canada, no matter which ISP you subscribe to. We bring this to your attention, because some of the fees could be substantial, depending on how much data you use every month. Gone are the days of unlimited or even high cap packages.
Ayx Shewma	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:37:00 - [14] A few days ago my internet was cut off because my payment had lapsed. They allow a tiny bit of bandwidth to use your online account to pay your bill though. This amount of bandwidth was enough that EVE would connect and play just fine. I actually didn't even realize it had happened until I opened the in-game browser and it redirected me to my ISPs website... Kinda funny.
Jessica Pink	Posted - 2011.02.02 03:44:00 - [15] Well thats complete bull****
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? Comcast in the US has a 250GB cap. It's a realistic limit for normal surfing/gaming (obviously not running BitTorrent 24x7). Still not enough to stream one Netflix movie per day (Comcast is trying to steer customers towards their own VoD offerings). OP: you might want to see if a "business" level account which allows more GB/month is available, just tell them you need it for telecommuting.
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:20:00 - [17] Edited by: Ejit on 02/02/2011 04:24:40 I did a test about three years ago. I downloaded a bandwidth monitor (can't remember it's name) Killed just about every process that used bandwidth. Then started from there. I ran two clients, (on lowest settings) and a Teamspeak client (TS2 at the time, TS3 wasn't released) I did the usual that I still do. Some science n industry, missioning....etc..etc. Oh:... And I'm not talking about an hour or two every day. My test was typically between 12 and 16 hours a day. And I was amazed to discover that even though I was running two clients simultaneously and a Teamspeak Client. I rarely went over 100mb's of downloaded and uploaded data a day. In fact, the average, missioning, talking ****e on TS was around 58 Mb's a day. Crazy numbers or what. But this doesn't take into account regional and ISP dependent figures ..
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:20:00 - [18] Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.02.02 04:34:00 - [19] Ahhh I remember the days it would take days to download megabytes... and yet people are so spoiled now they can't waddle over to the DVD rental machine at the same supermarket they are getting their junk food at. No they gotta download movies too. Might as well attach toilets to our asses and pay immigrants to wipe for us - which we will send for via the internet.
Maimakterion Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.02 05:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). Your post there contradicted itself multiple times and made zero sense. Read up on the issue before you post anything about net neutrality: WIKIPEDIA Network Neutrality in the United States

Frito11 Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.02 05:56:00 - [21] i've never measured what eve takes bandwidth wise but i can tell you that i can reliably play eve on a 3G cell phone connection with my phone tethered to my PC if i have to, TS3 on the other hand will drop on me if there is too much talking going on. so that tells me eve takes next to no bandwidth to work.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Maimakterion Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). Your post there contradicted itself multiple times and made zero sense. Read up on the issue before you post anything about net neutrality: WIKIPEDIA Network Neutrality in the United States Where I am always quick to bloviate and demonstrate my high intelligence and moral superirity on most topics, Net Neutrality is one of those topics that I just scratch my head over and ask to be spoken to about it as if I were 5 years old. Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it.
Rasz Lin Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:21:00 - [23] network traffic in EVE depends entirely on what you do, if you stand still on empty grid it will be less than 0.1KB/s new xero generic 3d plastic avatars mean every jump = downloading whole local avatar list from server. Btw lol at the state of internet in America. Here in Europe Im getting unmetered 120/10 Mbit for <$50. 20/2 is $20. Can saturate both directions any time of the day (seeding torrents right now). No filters, no caps, no nanny internet censorship.
Mystic5hadow Red Federation	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:26:00 - [24] I'd like to point out that EVERY major ISP in Canada has and will always meter Data Usage/Bandwidth. The only people this is affecting are those using small Independent ISP's that offered Unlimited Bandwidth, but in turn choked up the large ISP's tubes because the small ISP's rent their bandwidth from the big ISP's. So really, this isn't affecting many people. However, ISP's (Big and Small alike) might start buckling down on those who go over their bandwidth. As before, you could go over and normally they wouldn't bill you for it. Though now if this bill passes, they will be required to bill you. Which does indeed suck, but most people typically don't exceed their set bandwidth limits anyways. So the situation isn't quite as dire as people make it out to be. Though I personally hope that metering does not become mandatory, as I download 500 Gigs+ of junk every month, easily.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Originally by: Maimakterion Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). Your post there contradicted itself multiple times and made zero sense. Read up on the issue before you post anything about net neutrality: WIKIPEDIA Network Neutrality in the United States Where I am always quick to bloviate and demonstrate my high intelligence and moral superirity on most topics, Net Neutrality is one of those topics that I just scratch my head over and ask to be spoken to about it as if I were 5 years old. Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it. It is the reason Internet service in the United States lags behind Europe, and quality as well. Lack of competitive pricing means no incentive to upgrade and replace systems. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Tub Chil	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:14:00 - [26] Go to google search NetLimiter find freeware version (or buy PRO) Install, reboot PC, start netlimiter right-click on eve process select stats
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer (snip) anything the US government touches turns to crap (snip) QFT.
Shandir Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:34:00 - [28] Having found myself with a similarly crappy connection, I now know that EVE uses 30-50mb per hour(this will be per client), including small scale combat and travelling through Hek a few times. If they release any major patches (like Incursion, for example, was about 5gb) your internet will die. Don't use Sisi, either, too many patches. But EVE itself is fine.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:46:00 - [29] Eve runs with dial-up if needed (although I guess the new portraits would use some more bandwidth), and a 56 kbaud dial-up connection has a theoretical max of about 15 Gb per month (assuming compression is disabled, and that you actually get a 56 kbaud connection running at max capacity 24/7). So, yes, you'll make it. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Wurzel Gummidge	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:53:00 - [30] You can run EVE with a few hundred megs a month generally, as mentioned above, not counting updates. I just hope the post about animated avatars never gets to see the light of day or we'll see a big hike in bandwidth being consumed by those things. I can't read and I can't write, but that doesn't really matter, Cos I come from Trowbridge and I can drive a tractor


CCP Yokai	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:57:00 - [31] Edited by: CCP Yokai on 02/02/2011 18:57:18 I'll see what data the Research and Statistics guys have but also get you the average bandwidth per user given our network consumption graphs. Should help provide a very general idea of the average usage statistics with the entire player base instead of a single use case. I'll update this thread tomorrow. Thanks!

Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:04:00 - [32] It would help if you put chat channels back to how they used to be as far as avatars are concerned, where we choose to see them instead of having to load them by default. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Catlos JeminJees Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:10:00 - [33] I live in Edmonton AB Canada. and the meter service already started here. my plan with the ISP gives me 100GB/ month and $1 per GB after the 100. I heard on the radio that they are looking to apeal the law but it will probably take months/years. the reason this happend is because of NETFLIX. They came in Nov. and 2 months later this happed. ---------------------------------------- -Nebraska Mining Consortium-[/b][/u]
Faye LaFrege	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:36:00 - [34] I like in uk and have a 10gb a month dl limit. I normally exceed that by around 5gb as I stream a lot of tv. Eve itself uses little bandwidth, so if you dont stream/torrent movies and tv, and download your games from steam etc, you should be fine.
Glyken Touchon Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.02.02 19:57:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 02/02/2011 18:57:18 I'll see what data the Research and Statistics guys have but also get you the average bandwidth per user given our network consumption graphs. Should help provide a very general idea of the average usage statistics with the entire player base instead of a single use case. I'll update this thread tomorrow. Thanks! Would be good to include this info on the system requirements page once its been collated. may make people with limited connections realise that they can game online (at least with Eve).
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2011.02.02 20:06:00 - [36] http://www.canadiandownload.com/ For that coming humongous Incarna patch, and to keep up with EVE¦s increase in bandwidth usage since the mandatory downloading of useless character portraits. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
teh mole	Posted - 2011.02.02 20:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Rasz Lin network traffic in EVE depends entirely on what you do, if you stand still on empty grid it will be less than 0.1KB/s new xero generic 3d plastic avatars mean every jump = downloading whole local avatar list from server. Btw lol at the state of internet in America. Here in Europe Im getting unmetered 120/10 Mbit for <$50. 20/2 is $20. Can saturate both directions any time of the day (seeding torrents right now). No filters, no caps, no nanny internet censorship. Not everybody uses Comcast. Comcast is a tier 3 provider. I get my internet from Verizon (Teir 1 provider). It's a 25MB/25MB fiberoptic connection to my CO. There are no modems for verizon fios connections as its a direct hookup to ethernet from the ONT. I live in Rhode Island which has just about the fastest connection in the country. Second only to Delaware but only by a tinybit. Verizon Fios has no restrictions on usage and none of my ports are blocked. Top speed in my area for Fios is 150MB/30MB. I have a bundle with TV, Phone, Internet. All I pay is $128 w/taxes.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:29:00 - [38] I would imagine that what is happening in Canada will not last forever. A good long while maybe, but not forever unless they abandon all concepts of the free market. Competition will compel things to go back the way they were.
Frecator Dementa Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:35:00 - [39] I'm currently on a 3G mobile modem whose software gives out pretty nifty traffic graphs EvE uses about 5kbps (under 1 KB/s) when idle in Jita 80kbps (10 KB/s) when fetching market orders 30kbps (~ 4KB/s) outside Jita 4-4 Also, unlimited traffic from each and every ISP in the country. Romania FTW ---- <sig goes here>
DeliciousHamBeast Caldari Ignoble Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian I would imagine that what is happening in Canada will not last forever. A good long while maybe, but not forever unless they abandon all concepts of the free market. Competition will compel things to go back the way they were. "Free Market" and "Canadian ISPs" don't seem to go well together. We've got more of an oligopoly and they'd like to keep it that way.

Connan O' Brian	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:52:00 - [41] Edited by: Connan O'' Brian on 02/02/2011 22:54:29 Edited by: Connan O'' Brian on 02/02/2011 22:53:52 Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Originally by: Maimakterion Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). Your post there contradicted itself multiple times and made zero sense. Read up on the issue before you post anything about net neutrality: WIKIPEDIA Network Neutrality in the United States Where I am always quick to bloviate and demonstrate my high intelligence and moral superirity on most topics, Net Neutrality is one of those topics that I just scratch my head over and ask to be spoken to about it as if I were 5 years old. Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it. Yeah.... if you like the internet in its current form, you need to support Net Neutrality. All the major ISP's are fighting tooth and nail to do here what they just did in Canada. They want to cap usage, throttle speeds and tier package internet packages. -Comcast- "Oh you want to play Eve online" -You- "yes" -Comcast- Then you will need to upgrade to our "Gamers Package". For an additional $39.99 a month, you get an additional 5GB's of bandwidth per month, capped at 1mbps per second, dedicated to gaming on Xbox Live and the Playstaion Network, in addition to World of Warcraft and pogo.com. -You- "...um, speed capped?" -Comcast- "Yes...." -You- "...um... okay. But I play Eve Online. Does this 5GB's apply towards that. -Comcast- ""I dont know, I have never heard of Eve Online? Is that a game? It may be covered, i'm not sure..." -You- "Can you find out? -Comcast- (Sigh)... "Please Hold." ------Line Disconnects------- For once the FCC is on your side here. They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea.
ElJo123 Sons Of 0din C0NVICTED	Posted - 2011.02.02 23:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Of course in my experience, as far as the FCC is concerned, anything the US government touches turns to crap so I pretty much know where I would go on the issue if I knew more about it. You could start by reading about ARPAnet, the predecessor of the Internet. Might wanna pay note to the fact that it was US government money that paid for the research, and made public by the US government: and how the web (you know, this forum thingy uses it) was paid for by (this time european) governments; and how private enterprises tried to build their own little islands of connectivity (AOL yay, MSN, Comcast) and failed miserably. But yeah, it's all crap.
Catlos JeminJees Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium	Posted - 2011.02.02 23:08:00 - [43] if u want to sign the petition to apeal the law go to this web site http://openmedia.ca/meter ---------------------------------------- -Nebraska Mining Consortium-[/b][/u]
Minsc Gallente A.W.M	Posted - 2011.02.03 00:03:00 - [44] here's a little clip I found quite funny. It's a clip of a bell rep trying to justify the change and the increase in costs and a rep from one of the indy ISP's basically calling him on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIls-iZtx0&
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2011.02.03 00:20:00 - [45] I've installed a bandwidth monitor a few months ago when I got told by ISP that I had a 20gb limit. So far Eve uses almost nothing. Without patches you can pretty much write off eve as no usage. Real bandwidth usage is streaming video, music, ventrilo etc. We are talking about only a few megabytes an hour, really nothing.
DjLowballer Amarr Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2011.02.03 00:20:00 - [46] 25/35 Gb cap? That is madness. My connection is 200/100 and I would use that cap in no time.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2011.02.03 00:25:00 - [47] The best shortcut to limit bandwidth usage is CTRL-Q. I've been told it cuts your usage down ALOT. Seriously, surely there must be some service offering unmetered provision? Where there's a demand there's usually a supplier... Just look at the market for mouldy cheese. There are people who actually eat it and pay for the privilege, thus there are people who make it! :)
Catlos JeminJees Gallente Nebraska Mining Consortium	Posted - 2011.02.03 01:22:00 - [48] The CRTC ( Regulator) in canada also passed a law that makes all of the small ISP adopt this time of billing system. so as for canada no there is no ISP that Will provide unlimited usage. not yet any way 3/5 political parties have stated they dont support the CRTCs decission and will look to apeal it. so there is still hope for us Canucs ---------------------------------------- -Nebraska Mining Consortium-[/b][/u]
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.03 03:08:00 - [49] I was recntly in Pakistan doing some work there and had no issues playing eve with a USB internet divice that gave me 56k/s at best. Of course the patch update took me 2 days (and cost me a small fortune) but th game itself ran fine even in pvp. EvE uses suprisingly little bandwith actually, I hav played it with no problems on 26k dial up with almost no issues as well - and at max graphics (since thats the computer, not the connection so much). For patchs though - I suggest you either find a faster connection or get it from a friend on a cd.
shackdavid Caldari Crowded Igloo	Posted - 2011.02.03 04:00:00 - [50] HI, am using 13meg per day, 8 hrs at work, on wireless link for pve. cheers shack Quote: It takes a courageous man, to be a coward in the Red Army.

Triple Entendre Emergence Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.03 05:05:00 - [51] Apparently, Mooselandia's government is now telling CRTC to STFU
Alain Kinsella Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.03 05:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Connan O' Brian -Comcast- "Oh you want to play Eve online" -You- "yes" -Comcast- Then you will need to upgrade to our "Gamers Package". For an additional $39.99 a month, you get an additional 5GB's of bandwidth per month, capped at 1mbps per second, dedicated to gaming on Xbox Live and the Playstaion Network, in addition to World of Warcraft and pogo.com. -You- "...um, speed capped?" -Comcast- "Yes...." -You- "...um... okay. But I play Eve Online. Does this 5GB's apply towards that. -Comcast- ""I dont know, I have never heard of Eve Online? Is that a game? It may be covered, i'm not sure..." -You- "Can you find out? -Comcast- (Sigh)... "Please Hold." ------Line Disconnects------- That right there is why I was very happy to move out of a Comcast (aka @Home at the time) service area. As an L3 Support Admin, I do have some sympathy to HelpDesk people, but that only goes so far... That got replaced by Cablevision (OptOnline) in northern NJ; Did much better there, though it took a couple service calls to get them to understand that I really do work from home sometimes, and the link needs to be more stable. Only major issue I ever had with them was when we had to upload an Oracle DST patch DVD through our work VPN; It took over an hour, and they secretly throttled our link (for abuse of uploading bandwith) until I called them asking why things didn't feel right. Upgrading to Boost level nipped that in the bud too. I highly recommend Cablevision in the US, especially as a SysAdmin (did not take too long to make the L1 tech's eyes glaze over, and bump me to the L3). Just be wary of their DNS propagation, and go straight to Boost if you're serious about gaming or proper telecommuting /w work. The current place is on FiOS (package deal, similar to an earlier post), which I find very amusing as the house is so old it has non-grounded power ports. I've been on fleet fight tests over the wireless link (on my desktop), and have had two clients and TS running with no issue. The only problem is that I saturate the wireless (G) link during heavy activity, so there's a plan to eventually drop a wire down to where I am. We do have some restriction on ports here; Mostly a block on 80, since you're given 'free' hosting space in their datacenter anyway.
Ver Selam	Posted - 2011.02.03 06:58:00 - [53] Edited by: Ver Selam on 03/02/2011 06:58:57 Edit: nvm, that guy got to it first ^
Ascendic Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.02.03 07:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Ascendic on 03/02/2011 07:39:40 Originally by: Muna Kea Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? Not do. Did! Most depressing :( From my ISP: The Internet as we have grown to know it is about to change. Usage based billing to take effect March 1,2011 Virtually all DSL Internet Service Providers (ISP's) in Ontario & Quebec use a portion of Bell's network to connect their customers to the ISP's network. A large portion of the fee you pay your ISP every month goes towards paying Bell for the ISP to gain access to the copper wire between the Bell central office and your home or business (the last mile). Once connected to the ISP, customers can then be connected / routed through the ISP's backbone connection(s) out to the internet. Last year Bell Canada applied to the CRTC for permission to charge an addition fee for data that travels over their network (even though the ISP has already been paying for this portion of Bell's network). The CRTC has approved this extra usage fee, and this fee is set to take effect starting March 1/2010. This Usage Based Billing (UBB) will affect all Internet subscribers in Canada, no matter which ISP you subscribe to. We bring this to your attention, because some of the fees could be substantial, depending on how much data you use every month. Gone are the days of unlimited or even high cap packages. FEAR NOT! Petitions were started and have over 300k signatures currently. Stephen Harper has also reinforced that the bill will be reviewed. We may yet be saved! Also Please visit here to sign Linkage
Korvan Hraldir Davanev	Posted - 2011.02.03 08:22:00 - [55] I play eve using mobile broadband. Last month I played 2-3 hours a night on average and just about stayed under 1gb for the month
Caldari 5 Amarr The Element Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.03 08:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Serge Bastana It would help if you put chat channels back to how they used to be as far as avatars are concerned, where we choose to see them instead of having to load them by default. Agreed, I think eve has started using about 10 times the download thanks to this.
Tub Chil	Posted - 2011.02.03 08:57:00 - [57] I pay ~20 $ for 5 mbps unlimited traffic there is also ~7$ plan for 1mbps unlimited it's strange that in Canada unlimited plan is not available
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:11:00 - [58] Quote: Yeah.... if you like the internet in its current form, you need to support Net Neutrality. All the major ISP's are fighting tooth and nail to do here what they just did in Canada. They want to cap usage, throttle speeds and tier package internet packages. The issue is that effectively in Canada apparently only one company is both in charge of the infrastructure and also offers the internet access, while all other ISPs are virtual providers. Then add an incompetent organisation that is supposed to watch them, and you got this monopoly. Here the major ISPs might in their wildest dreams have bandwidth usage restrictions, but there is honestly no way they can do it without going bankrupt, at least not if they do such ridiculously low limits as in Canada. Because here (Netherlands) there is a healthy internet market, so free market does the job fine. There are several ADSL networks (so not virtual providers, we obviously have them too, but also physical different networks, only last part to your home goes via same infrastructure), then you also got the cable networks and fiber that is rolled out pretty fast. So you dont have one phyisical provider that has a effectively a monopoly. Oh and btw net neutrality isnt all that good. Sure there are good parts about it, but at the same time I think it is not only reasonable, but actually a great idea to give traffic with high latency demands, for example gaming, but also remote desktop, voip, etc priority over traffic with low latency demands, like usenet, torrent, etc. The speed of those usenet downloads then should not be significantly affected, while you can gain much better latency for gaming when the network is under high load.
Lexa Hellfury Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev I play eve using mobile broadband. Last month I played 2-3 hours a night on average and just about stayed under 1gb for the month That would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Darth Skorpius m3 Corp Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:18:00 - [60] welcome to where new zealands internet has been for over 10 years. except canadas excus is compeltely ******ed. on topic: i currently have a 40gb a month data cap, which is fine for 2 gamers providing we dont go crazy with our downloading like we did over christmas with the steam sale (it was still cheaper than buying the games we got in store). i play a number of mmos and still dont usually go over the cap. if you are the only one using the conenction, you will be fine. if there are a couple of casual internet users (general web surfing kinda things) you should be fine as well hope that helps, and i hope that sutpid ruling gets overturned, as no one should have to suffer through the hell that is data caps ____________________________________________

Alain Kinsella Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Furb Killer Oh and btw net neutrality isnt all that good. Sure there are good parts about it, but at the same time I think it is not only reasonable, but actually a great idea to give traffic with high latency demands, for example gaming, but also remote desktop, voip, etc priority over traffic with low latency demands, like usenet, torrent, etc. The speed of those usenet downloads then should not be significantly affected, while you can gain much better latency for gaming when the network is under high load. The problem with setting priorities on traffic/packet types is that the ISPs want to bill you for that right. Which is really no different than the 'bandwith cap' discussion here (stealth nerf of Internet, either way). Also, you start to get into that 'grey' area where businesses can overtake/override the public on whatever caps are put in place - especially if ISPs begin to market ultra-high-priority Internet traffic as a cheap alternative to leased lines. Don't get me wrong, I want to see more options - both on the low-end and high-end. But most ISPs do that in the US by bundling the Internet with TV and Phone, which is what irks me most. There are times (like my previous apartment) where not having that bundle is mandatory, and you get hurt in the wallet.
Pehk Mak'mel'ahma ODATRIK Integrated Solutions	Posted - 2011.02.03 10:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Razputon As a Canadian player I am staring down the possibility of metered internet. As such I am going to have to pay for everything over 15-25GB per month of bandwidth. As such I am going to have to watch my bandwidth usage or face a massive internet bill. So, does anyone know how much bandwidth Eve uses, say on a per hour basis? A lot of us in Canada are trying to stop this from coming but a lot of ISP's are plunging ahead. Bell's Sympatico has plans for people facing the bandwidth cap. THere is a 40 GB plan that fits EVE perfectly and allows for music and video downloads as well. Pehk
Mathious Audtore	Posted - 2011.02.03 10:18:00 - [63] Its a sad day when ISP start to limit the plans the cost is allmost noting to them..... I used to work for a dialup ISP years ago once we payed for the hardware it was all profit but at any rate you can run a prgram like Bandwidth Monitor... http://www.bwmonitor.com/ let that run on a normal EVE day for you and see what you get I hope enough people have another ISP they can change to get away from the cap.... Best of luck!
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.03 10:18:00 - [64] Stuff like this makes me happy to live in a scandinavian country where download caps are unheard of and fiperoptic cable owned by different companies makes competition a reality :) There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload."
Jandice Ymladris Caldari DRAMA Inc Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:01:00 - [65] Coming from a country that has bandwith limit imposed by the goverment (Belgium) I can verify that Eve will run easy with your current limit. I currently use a 15 Gb plan, and can still play all online games i want + get patches without exceeding the limit. Things you have to watch out for is streaming, that consumes tons of bandwith (Youtube movies & the like). Reason for the downloadlimit here was to fight piracy, wich seems to work somewhat. -------------- Cleaning up wrecks others leave behind! Got to keep space clean!
Falcun Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:36:00 - [66] dont worry, they reversed it :D
Zombatar	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:13:00 - [67] I fail to understand how in developed countries, Canada/UK/Belgium/USA things like limited bandwidth plans still exist. This it totally unheard of in some countries less developed. 15gb/month is so low you have no idea until you switch to unlimited bandwidth. I found it hilarious when I moved to UK and saw their commercials with OMFG 40gb/month, this was their best offer. UK is 5 years behind in Internet plans compared to some countries. I searched for an unlimited plan and thank god I found one, but at some crappy speed like 1mb/s. Lawl 1mb/s lawl, and UK is developed? Something is wrong here, or something is missing that I do not know about. Back in my country 10mb/s - unlimited is under 10 pounds. Here I pay double for 10 times less the speed. Anyone got any ideas why this is so?
Judge LearnedHand	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Razputon As a Canadian player I am staring down the possibility of metered internet. As such I am going to have to pay for everything over 15-25GB per month of bandwidth. As such I am going to have to watch my bandwidth usage or face a massive internet bill. So, does anyone know how much bandwidth Eve uses, say on a per hour basis? A lot of us in Canada are trying to stop this from coming but a lot of ISP's are plunging ahead. Looks like your government has made the right decision! Congrats. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/03/0427210/Usage-Based-Billing-In-Canada-To-Be-Rescinded ----------------------------------------------- Law student by day, DinoPark Tycoon by night.
Shandir Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:32:00 - [69] Originally by: Jandice Ymladris Coming from a country that has bandwith limit imposed by the goverment (Belgium) I can verify that Eve will run easy with your current limit. I currently use a 15 Gb plan, and can still play all online games i want + get patches without exceeding the limit. Things you have to watch out for is streaming, that consumes tons of bandwith (Youtube movies & the like). Reason for the downloadlimit here was to fight piracy, wich seems to work somewhat. Yes, to fight piracy. Nothing at all to do with the cost of not having 3rd world internet provision. Plus, if you're playing EVE, then piracy is happening. Y'know, actual piracy, with real internet spaceships.
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:43:00 - [70] Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 03/02/2011 13:43:59 Originally by: Shandir Originally by: Jandice Ymladris Coming from a country that has bandwith limit imposed by the goverment (Belgium) Yes, to fight piracy. Nothing at all to do with the cost of not having 3rd world internet provision. Plus, if you're playing EVE, then piracy is happening. Y'know, actual piracy, with real internet spaceships. Heh, wanted to rabblerabble your post for government corruption/corp greed propaganda but noticed it¦s hopefully sarcasm. The internetz needs a sarcasm font! NOW I need to punch a puppy or something to get rid of the outrage. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦

XY Zed Caldari Taarakian Bellator Industries	Posted - 2011.02.03 14:47:00 - [71] Edited by: XY Zed on 03/02/2011 14:48:04 The Canadian government has overturned the decision to cap the Internet.
Punker Adagear	Posted - 2011.02.03 15:16:00 - [72] Im from the uk and have a mobile broadband connection ( you know those rubbish donble type things) and it has a 15gig allowance on it per month Now i play most days atm, and am logged into game most the time even if AFK, but i still have plently og allowance left at the end of the month maybe 4gig depending on how much stuff i watch on internet. The only thing you may have problems with is if you need to reinstall up or update ( this last expansion seriously killed my allowance) Other then what you do in game you should have enough bandwith left Sorry i only scanned the post so youve prolly had same amount of feedback ------------------------------------------------ Manchester meet, Sat 19th Feb 2011 Join Ingame channel Manc-meet
Korvan Hraldir Davanev	Posted - 2011.02.03 15:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev I play eve using mobile broadband. Last month I played 2-3 hours a night on average and just about stayed under 1gb for the month That would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. Been playing for 1 hour 9 mins. Total usage = 10.9mb including some forum browsing. while travelling
Korvan Hraldir Davanev	Posted - 2011.02.03 15:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Punker Adagear The only thing you may have problems with is if you need to reinstall up or update ( this last expansion seriously killed my allowance) Other then what you do in game you should have enough bandwith left Agreed - updates are a pain - last month I had to get an extra 2gb.
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.02.03 16:41:00 - [75] They haven't reversed the decision yet, I should add. Things change all the time. Anyways, telecommunications companies LOVE Canada. The CRTC only allows 3 major companies, and those companies have former execs on the CRTC board. I'm tired of getting bent over for my internet/phone/cable. I switched from Telus to Virgin, only to find out that Virgin has to pay dues to Telus for using their network, so the rates are pretty much the same. I don't even use my cell anymore, and I pay $24 per month. No voicemail, no call display, no evenings starting at 6 (Yes that's right, you have to pay extra to have your evenings start at 6 now. Does that even make any sense?? My goddamned evening starts when I get off work!), and only 150 anytime minutes, and 50 texts per month. It's a paperwieght as far as I'm concerned. Anyways, Tony Clement is winning votes for the Conservative gov't by standing against this. I hope that's not the only reason he's doing this. _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank.
Sral TBear Macaroni family	Posted - 2011.02.03 16:49:00 - [76] wowser. Im think i should be happy.. i pay 5 euro a month with a unlimtet(use) 50/50mbit fiber Some thing`s are not that bad in socialist Denmark
KWyz	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:10:00 - [77] Edited by: KWyz on 03/02/2011 17:12:11 Wow...I mean...just wow. I pay 20 something euros a month for a bundle of TV, telephone and 25/20 Mb/s internet connection, completely unlimited. How is it that countries with vastly more developed infrastructures such as Belgium, or the UK have such...silly limits? I live in freaking Romania, for goodness sake! Have you people SEEN the roads here? Edit: is it just a case of plain old corporate greed on the part of the ISPs?
Hemp Invader Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:19:00 - [78] Originally by: KWyz Edited by: KWyz on 03/02/2011 17:12:11 Wow...I mean...just wow. I pay 20 something euros a month for a bundle of TV, telephone and 25/20 Mb/s internet connection, completely unlimited. How is it that countries with vastly more developed infrastructures such as Belgium, or the UK have such...silly limits? I live in freaking Romania, for goodness sake! Have you people SEEN the roads here? Edit: is it just a case of plain old corporate greed on the part of the ISPs? Hey I live in Romania too, and I can confirm that I pay less on internet subscription than on eve online. And even though you may think my connection is cheap ass, I have 20 Mb/s external bandwidth with unlimited download/upload :). @op: What can I say, your country sucks....bad.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:31:00 - [79] Uh oh, you learn something new everyday. I pretty much thought Romania was all donkey chariots and stone/stick things. You have EVE!?!?! And with better connection as I do...bugger! Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:33:00 - [80] Aaaaaah... I love the Canadian government.

Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:44:00 - [81] Originally by: KWyz I live in freaking Romania, for goodness sake! Have you people SEEN the roads here? Yes, and if I ever get there (not likely) I want to drive this. Saw it on Top Gear and it looks amazing.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:46:00 - [82] Wire shark is your friend
Bobbee Sephora	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:55:00 - [83] heh.. I had 10gb of traffic on my phone last months bill... wow. Good thing I am connected into the fiber backbone of our public utility district. 70mb average download speed, 50mb average upload, unlimited... 40 bucks. Best of luck.
Hun Tim	Posted - 2011.02.03 18:10:00 - [84] I live in a somewhat rural location and the only broadband I can get is satellite (WildBlue). Since I have a 7.5 GB/mo limit (yes it stinks) I pay attention to my usage. Eve has typically used about 3-7 meg per hour doing general stuff. I don't know if the new avatar stuff has affected it much, but my total usage doesn't seem to have changed much, so I'm assuming not, since 95% of my internet usage is Eve.
paracidic Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.03 18:41:00 - [85] I have been told today that the Canadian Govt has told crtc that if they do not recind the decision that the Cabinet will be making an order in council and then press a law through so this is a dead issue. *********************************************** Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway.
Avernus Gallente Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.02.03 18:56:00 - [86] I went full out tinfoil mode when I saw this. Ended up with about 10 tabs open in my browser reading up on everything, signing the petition, and coming to the realization that my previous 'unlimited' plan now has a 60GB cap with a $2 charge for each GB I go over. I'd say normally that amount would be sufficient, except I'm well aware how large many games are that I download with Steam, and that Netflix would be completely screwed over, etc etc. :crikey: Glad to see the Govt moving to reverse this. Also made me much more aware of alternative ISP providers out there, so much thanks for the links and info provided in this thread.
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.02.03 19:35:00 - [87] Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 03/02/2011 19:36:03 FYI, They're saying that this new CRTC ruling was a knee-jerk reaction to Netflix coming to Canada (I think someone already mentioned this). Also, just so you all know, here is what I pay: Home phone/Cable TV/Internet = $120cad per month Cable TV is nothing special. Standard cable package, no special order channels. Cell Phone: $25cad per month No voicemail, no call display, nothing extra For reference, the Canadian Loonie is pretty much on par with the American Greenback, which is worth about .75 Euros. Some people say our rates aren't bad. Others say our rates are ridiculous. What do you think? _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank.
Avernus Gallente Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.02.03 19:40:00 - [88] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 03/02/2011 19:36:03 FYI, They're saying that this new CRTC ruling was a knee-jerk reaction to Netflix coming to Canada (I think someone already mentioned this). Also, just so you all know, here is what I pay: Home phone/Cable TV/Internet = $120cad per month Cable TV is nothing special. Standard cable package, no special order channels. Cell Phone: $25cad per month No voicemail, no call display, nothing extra For reference, the Canadian Loonie is pretty much on par with the American Greenback, which is worth about .75 Euros. Some people say our rates aren't bad. Others say our rates are ridiculous. What do you think? Damn son! (Compared internationally, our rates royally suck ass) Who are you with? Looking at similar setup to yourself with Shaw in MB, $75 a month, 15mbps down, 1mbps up connection. Just got off the phone with Shaw, no word yet on if they'll rescind the overusage fees with what is happening with CRTC.
Pehk Mak'mel'ahma ODATRIK Integrated Solutions	Posted - 2011.02.03 20:17:00 - [89] Edited by: Pehk Mak''mel''ahma on 03/02/2011 20:24:27 Originally by: KWyz I live in freaking Romania, for goodness sake! Have you people SEEN the roads here? A neighbour from Romania tells me Steeles Avenue in Toronto reminds him of home :) Pehk

CCP Yokai	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00 - [90] Okay, so I did some checking... Today we do not track this. We keep up with the CPU and Memory used per player on our cluster but not the bandwidth per user. I think it's a really good idea to have this data and I am asking our leet DBA's and Network guys to start collecting it. It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it.


Emma Hewitt Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:20:00 - [91] EVE generally doesn't take a lot of bandwidth. Tested a 2.5-3 hour session yesterday and 15.71 MB bandwidth was used (PI, missioning with about 125+ in local at all times, transporting goods 5-10 jumps one-way, a little bit of forum browsing). High Bandwidth usage is anything streaming (movies, youtube, music, radio, news etc). Downloading (updates for programs, games, patches, downloading music, games, movies) For example: A 3 min music video on youtube used 35.05 MB bandwidth (not sure how exactly youtube videos and bandwidth works). This is equal to approximately 5-6 hours of EVE gameplay.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:47:00 - [92] Originally by: Connan O' Brian They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea. This is possibly the most naive post I have seen in 5 years. Congratulations. Every single ISP/carrier ALREADY prioritises traffic. They always have, although the days of using rules on old routers (like Cisco 7400s) are gone except for the "we're running the business on a shoestring" operations. These days, prioritising UDP over TCP is just the start of things and if you think ISPs/carriers don't deliberately route certain types of traffic on the "lowest-cost" route then here's a nice bridge for you They are all BUSINESSES and as such they'll route and prioritise such that they MAXIMISE profit - if they did otherwise then (in the UK and USA at least) the board would be liable to civil action due to failing to put shareholders interests first. There is NO "net neutrality", nor has there been in the last 15 years - prior to that peering points basically didn't exist so you'd have to always use the "dominant carrier", which is why so many people actively dislike using L3/Abovenet for anything at all
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:50:00 - [93] Quote: I fail to understand how in developed countries, Canada/UK/Belgium/USA.... I live in the ehm.... not really developed Italy and I download 1-2 GB per day with no limit, I am paying 7 euros for connectivity a month. I also have an USB DSL for when I travel (capped at 5GB per month, 15 or so euros fee), EvE does not go above 3-4MB per day if you do stuff like mining or trading, never went above 25MB per day. Basically if you play EvE and randomly browse, the browsers used 10 times as much bandwidth than EvE. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Emma Hewitt Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:17:00 - [94] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: I fail to understand how in developed countries, Canada/UK/Belgium/USA.... I live in the ehm.... not really developed Italy and I download 1-2 GB per day with no limit, I am paying 7 euros for connectivity a month. I also have an USB DSL for when I travel (capped at 5GB per month, 15 or so euros fee), EvE does not go above 3-4MB per day if you do stuff like mining or trading, never went above 25MB per day. Basically if you play EvE and randomly browse, the browsers used 10 times as much bandwidth than EvE. Yes, this is true. Eve forums isn't to bad with no ads and very little pictures. Looked up a loadout (battleclinic) via google and it took 3-4 MB just to load the first link and first page of a battleclinic loadout. After doing some testing and reading this forum I am really shocked to find out a MMO game uses very little bandwidth.
Ayieka	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:36:00 - [95] all i know is that ive had eve running in the background while playing bad company online and didnt notice any lag increase, also i can play eve while people in the house are running torrents, so im pretty sure it doesn't need much bandwidth.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:56:00 - [96] If this information helps Team Gridlock then make it so.
Taz Devil	Posted - 2011.02.05 15:24:00 - [97] Welcome to Australia We've had download limits for the past decade, although we are going the opposite way now with some 1tb plans being released lately
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.05 16:54:00 - [98] Considering you can play EVE on 56k dialup it isn't very much data at all needed.
Vhan	Posted - 2011.02.05 18:02:00 - [99] Originally by: Taz Devil Welcome to Australia We've had download limits for the past decade, although we are going the opposite way now with some 1tb plans being released lately We have download limits in some places in the United States. The communication companies have tried various tactics and excuses to meter our bandwidth. All of those excuses have been proven to be lies (Austin, Tx, USA cap fight won against a cable provider FAQ: Cap FAQ). The folks in the US pay on average 9x as much as other countries for the bandwidth we are given, which is already massaged bandwidth. Metered usage stifles innovation and is pure greed. In short, the US companies are gouging the sh!t out of us for just about all our services except heat, power, and water. I easily use 5 gigs a day, which includes Eve Online and support sites that are needed to play the game (not enough information in-game to play it sufficiently, which is why the info and fan sites exist for it). Of course, I watch netflix space movies, while I'm playing. :) ----- ALSO: A suggestion if you go over your limit and get charged 2$ per gigabyte... You can probably order two cable modems/DSL/whatever and shotgun them (bind the data streams into one machine). I did this to double my bandwidth at one of my previous houses, because the boxes were limited lower than the coax could handle. You'd split your usage between the two bills (in theory) giving you double the limit. - Vhan
Pearljammer 5657 Caldari The Hull Miners Union Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.02.13 21:59:00 - [100] This is for all the Canadian Eve players. The Federal Government and Prime Minister has overturned the CRTC desicion and asked them to go back to the drawing board. One MP even said that there will never be internet usuage based fees under a Coservative Government. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/02/17131626.html Im extremely pleased that the people we have elected got this one right and looked out for its citizens. Netflix coming to Canada worried Telus and Shaw (Cable, ISP, Phone Companies) offer movies as well but at the standard $5.99 per movie. Netflix at $8 a month is a great deal, though the movies they provide are a few years older and new releases are limited IMO. There are more politics to it but whatever... Fat Cat companies want to take more of our money and its BS. They need to adapt or die.

Titus Phook Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.13 23:25:00 - [101] Edited by: Titus Phook on 13/02/2011 23:28:48 @Zombatar and any other UK users stuck with a stupid bandwidth cap/ low speeds. Try Be internet, uncapped and up to 24mb/s ADSL2 if you're close to the telephone exchange, they do have a fair use policy but it basically consists of "don't take the urine" Worst thing I ever did was move to an area of town they don't cover. The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old. --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:11:00 - [102] To the OP and anyone else interested Here's how to find out .... 1) Download an analyzer and install on your computer 2) Prepare a filter that only captures traffic going to and from the TQ server 3) Login to Eve and play for a while Most analyzers will give you a readout of how much traffic is being sent/received as a bandwidth amount. There is your answer to the amount of bandwidth used. IMPORTANT: Performing this action - if found out - will give CCP just cause to ban you as it is against the EULA Hope this helps ... have a nice day
Samuel Caldara b.b.k Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.14 01:57:00 - [103] Edited by: Samuel Caldara on 14/02/2011 02:02:18 I could check my upload/download packet amount and give you an estimate.. But is it against the EULA? Can a GM comment on this? I don't want to be banned for trying to help someone... -Sam
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2011.02.14 04:07:00 - [104] Originally by: Othran Originally by: Connan O' Brian They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea. This is possibly the most naive post I have seen in 5 years. Congratulations. Every single ISP/carrier ALREADY prioritises traffic. They always have, although the days of using rules on old routers (like Cisco 7400s) are gone except for the "we're running the business on a shoestring" operations. These days, prioritising UDP over TCP is just the start of things and if you think ISPs/carriers don't deliberately route certain types of traffic on the "lowest-cost" route then here's a nice bridge for you They are all BUSINESSES and as such they'll route and prioritise such that they MAXIMISE profit - if they did otherwise then (in the UK and USA at least) the board would be liable to civil action due to failing to put shareholders interests first. There is NO "net neutrality", nor has there been in the last 15 years - prior to that peering points basically didn't exist so you'd have to always use the "dominant carrier", which is why so many people actively dislike using L3/Abovenet for anything at all Please sign me up for whatever it is you're smoking, thank you. ♥
Ma'Kahn	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:24:00 - [105] Edited by: Ma''Kahn on 14/02/2011 08:25:40 Don't know the exact figures but as far as I see it ranks somewhere between "not worth mentioning" and "does it send / receive.. at all?!". 25 gigs should be more than enough to handle Eve's monthly traffic. The other stuff, like browsing Eve related websites, TS3 and such is a different story.
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:16:00 - [106] Samuel Yep - that is the passage I am referring to and I have asked to do this type of stuff before and I have not been allowed to - but see what happens. There is a trending mode on some analyzers that collects stats and that is really all that is required. I know Observer uses layer2 info to build a bandwidth graph - and even though it uses trending (where the header information is captured and not the payload), I think the customer facing department of CCP will still see that as "sniffing" (as it is) hence against the EULA
Tornado Spawn	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:33:00 - [107] I have more or less a good figure for you as i'am playing on a laptop with mobile broadband while abroad, and the software for the modem gives me the data usage. If you only use EVE with out voice the avarage data usage per hour will be arround 2 - 3 MB. If you also use voice comms, then it will go to about 25 MB/h if there is a lot of talking going on, like a fight with lots of commands. It's lower with just some idle corp/alliance chatting. Hope this helps you.
Jack Paladin Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:52:00 - [108] Sucks about you guys in the US being throttled. I am pretty sure it is only a matter of time before it happens here in the EU. The moral of this story is ... Less **** and More EVE! You will be fine! Unless your connection is shared then your in a bit of a pickle.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor	Posted - 2011.02.14 10:13:00 - [109] Limited internet transfers? That still exists somewhere in the universe? And more seriously - if it's only web browsing, 15gb would be enough, even on patch months for an average user. You will have to limit your self from music and movie downloading, but apart from that you should be fine. If you don't count in occasional movie downloads I do, I guess my usage wouldn't exceed 10gb per month. Including movies... It looks far, far worse, hehe :P
Richard Christy	Posted - 2011.02.14 11:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Palovana Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Razputon Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye. the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? Comcast in the US has a 250GB cap. It's a realistic limit for normal surfing/gaming (obviously not running BitTorrent 24x7). Still not enough to stream one Netflix movie per day (Comcast is trying to steer customers towards their own VoD offerings). OP: you might want to see if a "business" level account which allows more GB/month is available, just tell them you need it for telecommuting. FIOS 4tw. Amusingly censored words: **, grape, ***. More to follow, no doubt.

Pookie McPook	Posted - 2011.02.14 15:13:00 - [111] Originally by: Titus Phook The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old. To be honest copper is a very good conductor and is not the problem. Back in the 70s BT (or its precursor) in its wisdom installed aluminium conductors (An element well known for its poor conductivity and tendency to crumble to dust)...the rest is history. ----- Marmite. Rocket fuel of champions.
Samuel Caldara b.b.k Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.15 01:07:00 - [112] I was planning on just using iStat which monitors internet usage. With nothing else open no other data should be going back and forth thus just telling me about eve...
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2011.02.15 01:46:00 - [113] Originally by: Pookie McPook Originally by: Titus Phook The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old. To be honest copper is a very good conductor and is not the problem. Back in the 70s BT (or its precursor) in its wisdom installed aluminium conductors (An element well known for its poor conductivity and tendency to crumble to dust)...the rest is history. BT still hasn't unpackaged fibre optic connections in the more remote parts of the UK. I live in the middle of nowhere so have a 20gb limit, no matter which provider I am with. If I were in london or another major city, I could stream at insane speeds with no real limit. One of the downsides of living in the countryside. Shesh we got nothing to do as is besides stare at sheep.
DeadlySPade Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.15 05:44:00 - [114] As a canadian player i was watching this topic very closly and well.. the goverment for the moment has cancelled the plans for usage base billing.. and even if they didn't it wouldnt affect any current subscriber.. I sign up with bell canada 5 year ago for there high speed unlimited internet. which mean unlimited everything bandwidth speed etc... tho over the last 5 year they have slower raise the price, they will never be able to cancel the service i have with them because i am granfather into the contract.. So bottom line is even if they did bring in usage based billing as long as current user do not cancel their service, switch providers, or breach term of there original contract. The isp will not be able to start charging u per uasge inder the law change that was purposed.. The only reason the big companies wanted it brought in was not to start charging current user. It was so that the small companies offering unlimited bandwidth would have to adopt there bussiness model of usage based billing which all of the big isp already do.
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.15 05:55:00 - [115] Also Cdn and beyond the some times large patch data it isnt a concern. Most packages are 25GB up to 75GB and even with the odd 2-4 GB patch file, thats nothing. The game itself is all command file and log files. I doubt a multi account, chronic user ( I fit that description) would ever crack a GB a month just playing. MMOs are not high bandwidth use, contrary to what the guy on AM640 said.
Edward Price Caldari Vengance Inc. Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2011.02.15 07:47:00 - [116] Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:55:25 Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:54:41 Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:50:21 At least you chaps will be getting the first 15-25GB free. If you wish to see truly fascist broadband service, do some research on the tripe we have in South Africa. With only one fixed line operator (Telkom), you may have epic deals such an affordable 384Kbs "broadband" ADSL line. If you wish to splash out, you can have a 4Mbs line that, if you are lucky, may synch at the superfast speed of 10Mbs. (Did I mention, with a 10Mbs line, your max upstream rate will be 640Kbs?) After all this you are forced to pay an additional amount of monthly rental for POTS service, as well as pay another company for your actual interwebz access; where you will pay per GB of usage, from the word go. Granted, things has improved much over here. 2 years ago, the largest bandwidth bundle one could get was 4GB unshaped (Oh god don't even ask.) traffic. After the 4GB you are capped and have no more access. Now, the insane line service fees still apply, but bandwidth prices has dropped significantly. (From around 10USD per 1GB to about 4USD per 1GB now.) Monthly prices at that time was: "Fast" 384Kbs "broadband" - 20USD (give or take) Mandatory POTS service (Yes, you had to pay extra for the telephone, with no opt out option) - 15USD "Large" 3GB bundle of bandwidth - 40USD I hope things change for the better for you Canucks. [EDIT] Luckily Eve does have a very small footprint, nothing compared to say an FPS. You would be hard pressed to burn through 1GB a month playing Eve. (Us saffas know; for some of us that's all we may have.) The biggest bandwidth user will be comms.
Phoehnix	Posted - 2011.02.15 09:33:00 - [117] Looking at my bandwidth while flying through a system and jumping.. Flying: 0-2kbps (this is kbit, not KByte) Jumping has a quick rise to 100-150kbps which also quickly falls back to 0
Horring	Posted - 2011.02.15 10:47:00 - [118] Originally by: Rasz Lin network traffic in EVE depends entirely on what you do, if you stand still on empty grid it will be less than 0.1KB/s new xero generic 3d plastic avatars mean every jump = downloading whole local avatar list from server. Btw lol at the state of internet in America. Here in Europe Im getting unmetered 120/10 Mbit for <$50. 20/2 is $20. Can saturate both directions any time of the day (seeding torrents right now). No filters, no caps, no nanny internet censorship. If im not mistaken America is quite large in comparison, so it's harder and more expensive to connect.
Illwill Bill Reign of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.02.15 11:02:00 - [119] Edited by: Illwill Bill on 15/02/2011 11:03:08 Originally by: Horring If im not mistaken America is quite large in comparison, so it's harder and more expensive to connect. That's not really the problem, tbh. While the US is twice as big as the EU, the states of America cooperates much more tightly than the countries in Europe does. Thus, building high-speed networks in the US is technically easier. The main difference is that much of the broadband development in Europe has been done by state-owned companies, or at least with public funding. Therefore, it's not a fair comparison. That being said, this doesn't change the fact that we have faster broadband. /me points and laughs. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Raeza Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2011.02.15 11:25:00 - [120] It's really not much, in between changing providers a while back I was using a pay-as-you-go mobile broadband dongle and to my surprise my GF would use far more allowance up browsing facebook for 15 minutes than I would playing eve for 4 hours.

Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2011.02.15 11:51:00 - [121] THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS! sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here. Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month. If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is: Speed - max bandwith (down + up) 12meg - 100gb 20meg - 250gb 60meg - 500gb The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months. They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder.
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.16 08:52:00 - [122] Originally by: Cyrus Doul THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS! sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here. Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month. If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is: Speed - max bandwith (down + up) 12meg - 100gb 20meg - 250gb 60meg - 500gb The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months. They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder. Bell Canada has put holds on thier overage fees too. Same thing, the overage metering is flawed. Blocking your connection for 6 months won't last long. If they cut my net for 6 months, they aren't getting paid. That won't work out so well for them.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:19:00 - [123] So basicly this is just about Bell, then. Easy fix to that, let money talk. -
Cindy Marco Minmatar Expanse Security	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:38:00 - [124] Sadly in America at least it comes down to your area. If theres only one broadband option in your area, your going to get screwed. I'm 15 minutes outside of a major city, and for awhile there was only one broadband company here. They treated their customers like crap, and the internet would be down for at least 2 hours every day. When I moved away for about a year it was the same thing, one provider and horrible service. But now that there are 4 major broadband companies operating here all of their services have improved. I have a unmetered 24mbps dsl line for half of what I payed for 10mbps (very unreliable) 4 years ago. The one company that was here was going to introduce bandwidth caps, but once some competition came in they cancelled the plans for it. ôLife is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.ö - Bill Hicks
Milla Jovobitch	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:42:00 - [125] , I play in East Africa, and even with these connections I'm able to play Eve ok. I've got a satellite connection: ping >650ms, usually max. 10kB/s. I pay $20 per 1GB of traffic, but Eve uses so little bandwidth that I barely notice it on my bill. Once, however, an update went wrong and I had to download the whole 6GB thing (took FOREVER). Paid $120 for Eve that time.
Directors Assistant Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.18 02:04:00 - [126] ohai from Australia, where convincing our major telco they can't charge an additional fee for accepting cash over the counter is judged a win. Youtube: Basket Case - Green Day (Official Music Video) [HD] Don't get me started...
Cyprus Black Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.04.13 02:47:00 - [127] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 13/04/2011 02:56:15 Alright, bringing back an older yet important thread. I went out and bought a Virgin Mobile Broadband2Go device with the unlimited plan. I tested how much bandwidth EvE uses: Time duration: 10 minutes. Location: Neesher - sat undocked at top station. Actions: None. No modules activated nor ship movement. Population: 10 people in local. None on grid. Server Time: 02:23 Active channels: local, NPC corp, help, and recruitment. Start Bytes in - 10,932 Bytes out - 29,373 End Bytes in - 86,492 Bytes out - 50,783 I'll edit or create another post when I perform the same thing outside Jita 4-4. edit I just tried this with WoW and making a new character. The bandwidth usage was significantly higher. I suspect it's because of their live background updates.
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.13 07:03:00 - [128] If you are just floating somwhere doing nothing: the client sends to the server just "i'm alive, hold on" If you are doing a mission/mining: "a bit more, the amount you would expect from an mmo" IF you are in a bigger fleet fight: lots IF your in a 800 man fleetfight or in jita, turn off you're computer you do not want to see this.
Drop Dead Sexy	Posted - 2011.04.13 09:04:00 - [129] limited internet connection OUCH!! unlimited 100mb connection for country wise use, over vast optic fiber network (almost every house, flat has optic fiber in bigger cities in Lithuania) and unlimited 40mb connection to the world the price for all of this 20$
GizzyBoy	Posted - 2011.04.13 10:58:00 - [130] nz i pay $1 nzd per gig (78 cents usd), its ok, i have a number of servers etc hosted to do various things, eve uses bugger all of my total, I knew one guy in the stats using a mobile phone, and running his mining fleet of 3 hulks (pre orca) and it ran ok.

Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.04.13 11:21:00 - [131] Here in the cold and unforgiving welfare states of Northern EU, you only pay for the bandwidth in my case 50Ç/month for max bandwidth. Billing based on usage is communism btw. And yes I came here just to gloat on your misery for living in a country of a technological stone age. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Bantros Noir.	Posted - 2011.04.13 11:36:00 - [132] Ouch! ú25pm for fibre optic unlimited 40Mb connection in the UK and I thought we were a bit behind on broadband pricing and structure. Not too bad after all
Roland Schlosser Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:14:00 - [133] Fortunately my ISP seems to have boorked the way they set up the connection at my apartment complex. They linked the entire complex through one line and can't disconnect individual apartments from the line, so I just bought a $40 gateway and am now enjoying 100% free internet (minus the $40 for the gateway, shh you)
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.04.13 22:26:00 - [134] As someone who is currently using a 3g tethered connection for eve, I have been watching my bandwidth for a couple months now. If I leave 2 clients of EVE on 23/7(for various reasons like afk cloaking), it uses around 100mbs per day. That is if I use the connection solely for EVE. I don't know if it will increase if you join fleet battles of 1000+ and stuff(don't know if it matters)
Kaiden Ahishatsu	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:52:00 - [135] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Wow, dang I got several Canadians in my corp. Hope this doesn't affect them adversely. Yeah I'm worried about that Net Neutrality thing here in the states, I'm hoping Congress just cuts FCC funding in effect removing it :). You realize that the point of 'net neutrality' is to prevent ISPs from pulling this kind of thing, right? You've been listening to too much faux news.
Jizara DragonFire	Posted - 2011.05.13 04:15:00 - [136] Okay, so i just want some conformation, i have read a good portion of the previous posts and i am convinced that i will be able to play EVE during the summer which pleases me greatly cause i needed background mining to help me do my homework. ^^ In either event, I am working on verizon wireless mifi 2200 internet...which is essentially a cell phone broadcasting internet...we have a data usuage of 5 gbs a month and i'm not the only one using the internet...i still will need to download a program from verizon that will tell me roughly how much has been used during the given month. I don't play eve regularly but enough that i need to question, will my internet handle it for the summer while i am home...i don't know what regular speed is but if people are playing on dial up then i am fine there, just need the data usuage to be fine.
Altima Gen	Posted - 2011.05.13 07:44:00 - [137] So, Infrastructure is owned by oldschool companies used to charging for things like tv and long distance phone plans. 10 years ago we all paid hundreds a month for these things. now we want to pay 20 bucks a month to stream our shows/movies skyp etc. so the infrastructure owners( who are the cable providers and hard line phone providers, are seeing less and less profit per user. no wonder they want to limit bandwith. It has nothing to do with the 'available amount of bandwidth' but its about protecting their fat profit margins.
theocratis	Posted - 2011.05.13 07:47:00 - [138] thought i would toss in my iphone data usage with tethering enabled. this is eve plus youtube and forum surfing.
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.05.13 10:30:00 - [139] Single EVE client takes around 5kb/s download bandwidth usually. But when you're doing something like opening market it could be 10kb/s. EVE seems using TCP connections mostly and somehow sensitive to the internet condition if you're running multi-clients, as my experience.
Holy One	Posted - 2011.05.13 11:11:00 - [140] over 9000 kb/s! BBQ makes me hungry for more...

Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.05.14 06:31:00 - [141] What I mean is even some FPS game wouldn't take that much: For example WOT use UDP connections and usually take around 3KB/s download stream.
Hacra Minmatar Cosmodynamics Joint Venture Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.05.14 11:14:00 - [142] When i am not in any fleet battle net limiter shows around 0.1 - 1.5 kbps all the time, often much less than 1kbps. So if this game would have been released in the golden days of dial up modems it would have succeeded mostlikely
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2011.05.14 11:48:00 - [143] week or so
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2011.05.29 13:40:00 - [144] Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00 Originally by: CCP Yokai Okay, so I did some checking... Today we do not track this. We keep up with the CPU and Memory used per player on our cluster but not the bandwidth per user. I think it's a really good idea to have this data and I am asking our leet DBA's and Network guys to start collecting it. It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it.
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.05.29 14:21:00 - [145] Originally by: Cyrus Doul Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month. It's not a new thing though. Cable/phone/internet has been a government created and enforced natural monopoly forever because franchise laws economically restrict smaller and startup providers from competing with larger providers, as well as restricting access to poles, underground areas for laying cables/fiber lines and public right-of-ways for switching stations. Allowing 'broadband' providers to compete with cable companies for cable service was a small start, but it didn't work as they simply decided to charge the same rates as the cable companies; UVerse costs the same in my city as COX does. vOv For internet, despite the fact that I live in an urban area, I have three choices for hardwired broadband. The cable company, the phone company and satellite. All three cost the same. Of those three, only satellite is the clear loser because of weather considerations. I chose DSL because I don't want TV service. Don't have an option to just get internet for a price that is reasonable from cable. Because the cable companies can't compete with each other (there is a smaller one in one of the suburbs), that will likely never be an option. If they were allowed to compete, there might be a chance they would offer a internet only service. Who knows. At anyrate; the lack of competition has really killed US broadband development, which is really ironic, IMHO, considering we're a society with so many free market principles ingrained in us. That an our former VP, Al Gore having invented the internet to being with... ___ *Chaotic Dreams*
Chris Bailey	Posted - 2011.05.29 14:33:00 - [146] When my router died on me in the middle of a fleet i used my phones broadband and it didn't use much internet
ACESsiggy Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.29 15:12:00 - [147] Edited by: ACESsiggy on 29/05/2011 15:14:01 Edited by: ACESsiggy on 29/05/2011 15:13:19 Originally by: Cyrus Doul THIS BANDWIDTH MONITORING IS HAPPENING IN THE USA TOO GUYS! sorry for the color and caps. trying to grab attention cause it's mostly about Canada in here. Since the USA smacked down the whole "We want to charge people that stream more" thing the ISPs have found out that they are perfectly allowed to limit your connection to a certain amount per month. If you want a really nasty example. I have Charter. They are the only Broadband I can get at my house. Their new rule that went into effect is: Speed - max bandwith (down + up) 12meg - 100gb 20meg - 250gb 60meg - 500gb The real kicker about this, you cant just pay an extra dollar per gig. They keep track of it and if at any point in a rolling six month window (current month plus the last five) you have any 3 months go over limit they disable your connection completely for six consecutive months. They have no way to check how much you use online even though they are monitoring it as you get a phonecall the first time you go over where they give you a number to call where you can ask how much you have left for the month. If you call that number they will tell you what you are allotted per month but will not give you your remainder. Dude I have CHARTER and I do not have any 'badwidth limit.' The service that I pay for is 20Mb Down and 3.0up without limits and I've never heard of a U.S. cable company doing this (well the cable company's that I've purchased services from).
Playing Eve	Posted - 2011.05.29 15:32:00 - [148] Originally by: ACESsiggy Dude I have CHARTER and I do not have any 'badwidth limit.' The service that I pay for is 20Mb Down and 3.0up without limits and I've never heard of a U.S. cable company doing this (well the cable company's that I've purchased services from). Charter's bandwidth limits are in their terms of service. Even if the agreement you signed when you got your service (they've had the cap for about a year) didn't have the limits, there is probably a clause in it saying that they can change them at their whim and to refer to the online terms of service. Maybe you just haven't hit the cap.
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies	Posted - 2011.05.29 17:59:00 - [149] I can say also being Canadian i live in Ontario* i have a Internet Cap of 60Gbs ..there is unlimted .. its like $1.50 per gig over this month i went over as i installed windows 7 on a new HHD -_- i cant really tell you the bandwidth either since i would like to know asell .. we have 2 win7 computers going and a Ancient P4 Xp going ......in the house ill add more later on gotta go outside
Playing Eve	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:52:00 - [150] Originally by: CCP Yokai Okay, so I did some checking... Today we do not track this. We keep up with the CPU and Memory used per player on our cluster but not the bandwidth per user. I think it's a really good idea to have this data and I am asking our leet DBA's and Network guys to start collecting it. It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it. Has it been a week, yet?

Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.05.30 17:10:00 - [151] In belgium we have a similar arrangement although it used to be 10 gigs now it is 100 gigs a month. Eve's bandwith use was negligable compared to all my other uses. I don't think it will/shall/does make much of an impact. HOWEVER, patches and live streaming of fanfest/alliances tournament in HD will :) ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
SonOTassadar Obsidian Front	Posted - 2011.05.30 17:28:00 - [152] Edited by: SonOTassadar on 30/05/2011 17:30:17 Edited by: SonOTassadar on 30/05/2011 17:29:18 Seems like you got a direct answer here based on people monitoring it, but just for future reference: EvE started beta testing in 2002, I think (official release was 2003). In 2002, 33.6 kilobaud modems were just starting to become obsolete. 56k was mainstream, and ISDN/DSL/Cable/other broadband services were relatively new and expensive. On the bandwidth side, only improvements have been made (see CCP's "need for speed" blogs and patch notes). If it weren't for the fact that there are now some 40x as many players on now than there was at release, this game could still be played on a 33.6k modem. You could do it, but there would most likely be a horrible delay undocking at any remotely busy station, and forget about trade hubs or fleet warfare. It takes days for a 56k to download items that are several GBs in size, whereas mid and high tier broadband plans today can do it often in less than an hour, so EvE would likely not be a relevant factor in trying to limit how much data you send and receive if you're worried about your bandwidth cap. -----
ACESsiggy Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.30 17:49:00 - [153] Edited by: ACESsiggy on 30/05/2011 17:49:49 Originally by: Playing Eve Originally by: ACESsiggy Dude I have CHARTER and I do not have any 'badwidth limit.' The service that I pay for is 20Mb Down and 3.0up without limits and I've never heard of a U.S. cable company doing this (well the cable company's that I've purchased services from). Charter's bandwidth limits are in their terms of service. Even if the agreement you signed when you got your service (they've had the cap for about a year) didn't have the limits, there is probably a clause in it saying that they can change them at their whim and to refer to the online terms of service. Maybe you just haven't hit the cap. So I wanted to confirm your statement about this and I contacted Character's customer service, the services I pay for do not have this "bandwidth limit"...... must only suck for you << not trolling you either but it must suck if you have a limit lol
Gedid Tava Gallente The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.05.31 00:03:00 - [154] Originally by: Ciar Meara HOWEVER, patches and live streaming of fanfest/alliances tournament in HD will :) That's pretty much the key. Refer back to post 99 and the Austin, TX faq. Research done when that was actually relevant showed the average cable internet user rarely broke over 1GB/mo. Usage broke down into four segments. Roughly 80%, 15%, 5%, 0.1%. Average 1GB/mo (gaming+net, no streaming). Light streaming 25GB/mo (g+n + non hd streaming). Heavy streaming 100GB/mo (g+n + nightly hd streaming). Unauthorized commercial or "Usenet archival" 250GB-1TB/mo. Looking at cable specifically, the single digit percentage of users breaking the 100GB/mo line were the ones that actually caused problems for providers. Bandwidth, despite the illusion, is not an unlimited resource. At a single moment, your pipe can only handle so many electrons. It is a physically limited medium. The only options are to change your medium (fiber) or change your algorithm (DOCSIS 3). Taking the research into account, gaming only will endanger caps when it comes to digital distribution. For major providers, gaming will almost never be the sole contributor to pipe saturation. App and patch downloads can be a part of it but, really, it's streaming media and sustained data rates that DOCSIS 2 and lesser mediums/algorithms were not designed to handle. If your ISP has small caps (under 50GB/mo) then just use your head. Keep the hd streaming to a minimum and stagger your digital game purchases or, if you can, buy disc versions of new products.
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.05.31 02:40:00 - [155] Originally by: Gedid Tava Originally by: Ciar Meara HOWEVER, patches and live streaming of fanfest/alliances tournament in HD will :) That's pretty much the key. Refer back to post 99 and the Austin, TX faq. Research done when that was actually relevant showed the average cable internet user rarely broke over 1GB/mo. First there was Steam and ISP's started to get worried. And then YouTube, Vimeo, Vodo, iPlayer, 4oD, NetFlix, LoveFilm and such appeared and ISP's could be found crying in the corner whilst smoke came out of the routers. It's been a light month and my counter is sat at 40Gb. None of that illegal, some of it is P2P though (love me that Pioneer One). Just using the internet as a primary source for entertainment. 1Gb/month... I'd probably have to torrent all my shows and build a central server instead of us watching the HD streams at different times.
NOVA-STAR	Posted - 2011.05.31 04:15:00 - [156] ppl in canada pay twice as much for their Internet and triple times as much over cell phone bills than the united states. the country is being completely molested. I looked for alternatives for ISPs because I needed to switch. But there is NOBODY that offers Internet cause they're all american ISP companies here, it's all really expensive or BAD deals. SHAW and AT&T/BELL/ROGERS etc. suck, all of them are money baggers that are just taking the money out of the country to the states. Our GOV is really stupid.
Internet Knight The Kobayashi Maru	Posted - 2011.05.31 05:42:00 - [157] Originally by: CCP Yokai It will take another week or so to get some of this out to the thread... but I will post here when I have it. In the mean time, control-alt-shift-m will let you monitor it yourself.
Catheryn Martobi	Posted - 2011.05.31 05:45:00 - [158] Originally by: NOVA-STAR ppl in canada pay twice as much for their Internet and triple times as much over cell phone bills than the united states. the country is being completely molested. I looked for alternatives for ISPs because I needed to switch. But there is NOBODY that offers Internet cause they're all american ISP companies here, it's all really expensive or BAD deals. SHAW and AT&T/BELL/ROGERS etc. suck, all of them are money baggers that are just taking the money out of the country to the states. Our GOV is really stupid. I wish they were bringing it here, but after a company becomes as international as AT&T they keep their money wherever they don't have to pay taxes for it. I really hate the direction we are heading with our ISPs in the States though. I don't see the cap implementation as a last resort, just another stepping stone to prevent piracy so Hollywood doesn't come for them in the night. Luckily Verizon still has no caps and some pretty decent fiber and mostly doesn't give two ****s if I am seeding or not. I anticipate caps for every ISP within five years though.


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