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Sho Ushi	Posted - 2011.02.10 11:48:00 - [61] Amazing job! Only suggestions I have: When you see the percentages on a profile, show how many votes for each category there've been. (100% means a lot more when it's 40 or 50 votes than 1) Allow breakdowns based on sex as well. Annnd it'd also be cool to see the top ten in the results category, rather than just a random smattering of profiles. If you don't do any of those things though, I still want you to know I appreciate your work and I think it's great!
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.10 11:55:00 - [62] Seems as if I'm creepy. Mission accomplished! Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
DocDoo BIG	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:05:00 - [63] I a going for Patrick Stewart - See me /DocDoo - BIG - Capital Construction and Sales
Marconus Orion Global Criminal Countdown	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:22:00 - [64] I am going for celebrity look alike. Ken Watanabe as seen in 'Last Samaria'.

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:44:00 - [65] Villanous (65%) Shrewd (45%) Dramatic (51%) Offered but never selected in the following attributes: FRIENDLY Aww. P.S. Great job! Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Zia Aiz	Posted - 2011.02.10 13:02:00 - [66] Anyone know who made this celebrity? He needs to be in there! http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6562/walterrc.jpg http://www.natch.net/misc/0205/markitzero.jpg
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.10 14:20:00 - [67] Interesting site, I am enjoying it now that I learned using the function "neither is <attribute>, go next". Specially usable when asked "funny" or "ugly" or "creative"... so far none of my babes is performing as expected but I will alloww them to beef up votes for a while.
Kalrissia Temporal Incursion	Posted - 2011.02.10 14:27:00 - [68] Villainous ( 84% ) Moi? <flutters eyelids>
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.10 14:36:00 - [69] Edited by: Illwill Bill on 10/02/2011 14:36:28 Originally by: Kalrissia Villainous ( 84% ) Moi? <flutters eyelids> Linkage Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Razor Vision	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:24:00 - [70] Edited by: Razor Vision on 10/02/2011 15:26:18 BY FAR the best avatar rating website EVER. This is such a great website, I've been addicted to it for hours. You realized that by having solo avatars it creates a heavy bias on the voter (if they are jealous, for example). You realized that solo avatar voting is boring and fail. (im referring of course to that one fail website with a Like/Dislike feature and solo votes/ratings of 1-10). But Babes of New Eden had the basic concept down of what works and they weren't failing. So I stuck with them despite it's many much needed upgrades. But now.... You basically, you took the concept/basic-philosophy of Babes of New Eden and added many much needed features. Avatar vs Avatar is always the way to go when it comes to websites such as these. This is by far the front runner of all Avatar rating websites. I 100% approve. AWESOME WORK Justinius Augustus! You rock. Please keep up the good work. I especially love the two options to skip a selection. THEY ARE PERFECT and exactly what I needed on Babes of New Eden. I truly hope that your website becomes the "Main" avatar rating website of EVE!!! LONG LIVE EVE AVATAR FACE-OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blue Eon	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:07:00 - [71] Cool website, m8.
Cadhla Ovsanna Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:27:00 - [72] yeah you did a good job! love it :) i feel special i'm already in there :) teehee<3
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.02.10 17:24:00 - [73] all the judging was pushed me to use my last retake. I'm not going to get high ranks in any categories I don't think but ... maybe get less ugly marks at least.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Sleeping Fury	Posted - 2011.02.10 17:39:00 - [74] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 10/02/2011 17:46:26 Originally by: Razor Vision I truly hope that your website becomes the "Main" avatar rating website of EVE!!! LONG LIVE EVE AVATAR FACE-OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------- My overall ranking of Avatar rating websites for Eve: #1: EVE AVATAR FACE-OFF (10.0) #2: Babes of New Eden (05.0) #3: Nameless IP address Website (00.0) Wow, somebody needs to tone it down a little... I think they're all great - they all get the job done and provide interesting and varied results. Some do things better than others, but I wouldn't be calling anything 'best' just yet. edit: but it would totally be best if i was on the favourites
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.02.10 17:46:00 - [75] Hey, I'm a favourite! Thanks! This was my firts try with the character editor. Been fiddling around with posing, lighting and background with the redo but just can't get something together fitting better to what I want my character to express than what I have now, so I guess I'll stick with my portrait for now. Love how this page gives feedback on how the portrait is perceived by people in different characteristics, so you can get feedback on how good you managed to design the intended expression. --------
Justinius Augustus August Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:20:00 - [76] Originally by: Shander Maxum I really like your phrasing of questions although I'd love to know more about your scoring and offering algorithms. I'm assuming if someone gets judged well for something once, they get offered in that category more often to confirm it? If they get matched against another character strong in the category does the vote against them hurt a lot or is it a recursive scoring model so that the loss to a character with high marks in a field doesn't hurt much. (as the database gets large, keeping scores recursively adjusted would be a horendous processing load I guess ) Hey, thanks for the interest! As to your questions... This isn't really a scientific site, so no, there aren't any recursive algorithms in use for the match-ups. I trust time to bear out meaningful results, so it may, in fact, take a few days for attributes to start attaining some sort of equilibrium for a particular character. The closest thing I've done to what you're talking about is through the "Stacked Deck" version of the game, which limits offerings to avatars that have a positive balance in the attribute in question. I play with the stacked deck, myself, for maybe ten minutes a day just to weed out some of the flukes. Admittedly, it might have been more interesting to do it your way, and it wouldn't have necessarily been difficult , but I've attempted to keep things simple (a) to keep load times short and (b) so that it isn't a big mystery how avatars arrived at their current grades. The only exception to that would be the curve that I apply on the character sheets. That does use a formula that benefits high scoring avatars over low scoring avatars. The curve is recalculated once per day, and it's essentially based upon significant high scorers, with some cushioning built in to account for outliers. These are my own algorithms, and they're not super-scientific except to the extent that the end result is what I want it to be. Quote: If we liked both characters in relation to a question, and wanted them to both get ahead in the category...are they in agregate better if we declined to state or better if we voted to at least give one credit instead of a passs? Exactly. A pass on a question doesn't register a vote, so it won't move their scores one way or the other. I elected not to assume the reason that players are passing on a particular face-off. Quote: I'm sedning you 20 million isk for a little tip... cheeers heh. Nice. Thanks. I'll put it to good use as soon as I have time to get back into production in game. ;)
Justinius Augustus August Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Razor Vision Edited by: Razor Vision on 10/02/2011 15:37:39 BY FAR the best avatar rating website EVER. ha! Thanks. All of the websites I've seen have been damn good in their own ways. I'm constantly impressed by the quality of work that comes out of the EVE community, which is one of the reasons I'm so fond of the game. In truth, I was working on a kind of similar game--nothing to do with EVE, however--for some friends, and it was only after a couple of weeks doing that that I thought, "I should just take this and apply it to the EVE avatars." I wish I could say that I was able to retool the code from that other thing, but it was just a little too different (and it integrated with Facebook). I didn't even know about the Babes of New Eden or the other site when I started writing code for this.
Mary Jane Watson	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:03:00 - [78] Edited by: Mary Jane Watson on 10/02/2011 19:04:06 A suggestion, could you make the background a bit darker? It would make it easier to see the subtle shadows on darker pictures. My eye is adjusting to the white bright background and for example <-- some detail is lost. Background like in this portrait fetcher: http://eveolution.de/portrait.php?user=Mary+Jane+Watson Good job on the website. And I hope you have algorithms that give newer characters to also get votes perhaps a bit more frequently than the ones who have been there longer. As many have an interest in seeing how their characters are perceived by others it would be a good incentive to push the new characters a bit in the beginning. Otherwise as more and more portraits are submitted, the harder it gets for newcomers get a good baseline of votes. Maybe try and even out the votes between the portraits?
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.10 21:12:00 - [79] I love this! Very addicting and have gotten a few good laughs so far Thank you for making this! Phoibe Enterprises
Shander Maxum	Posted - 2011.02.10 22:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Justinius Augustus à............... Quote: If we liked both characters in relation to a question, and wanted them to both get ahead in the category...are they in agregate better if we declined to state or better if we voted to at least give one credit instead of a passs? Exactly. A pass on a question doesn't register a vote, so it won't move their scores one way or the other. I elected not to assume the reason that players are passing on a particular face-off. Maybe I should have allowed for a "both" option to counterbalance the "neither" option, but I don't know...I thought results would be a little more meaningful if they were actually the result of a decision one way or the other. The "neither" option was kind of a necessary evil, though, to make it possible to trivialize attributes that really bear no meaning at all to an avatar. I mean...I probably could have done things about a million different ways. I just hope it's fun the way it is. à........ Thanks for more of your thoughts behind your creation. I don't quite get the curve but I don't need to. I'm as much or more interested in peoples true impressions of many avatars in each of the categories as trying to select the top 10 winners. à (understanding that its nothing scientific) Its cool to know peoples thoughts... and of course most of us haven't designed to only one trait ...some of the attributes we try to convey work against each other at the top of a class but come across vs the general population of characters. Friendly and shrewd for example à someone with both will tend to lose the next round against a character that is only friendly without a hint of skepticism. When you use the stacked deck, while you're sorting among the high scorers, you're also giving characters moderately strong in an area a strong chance of driving down their percentage in that strong area below 50% by matching them against the best in class. I know too many questions make it tough on viewers but I'd definitely use the ôbothö choice in the nonstacked deck (might word it ôgive both of them somecredit for being xxxxx) Then for the stacked deck, I'd make it so a win helps but a loss doesn't hurt, but in a way that didn't let the increased votes for being shown more often overwhelm the bigger statistics and make a face thats been around much longer ranked higher. An approach I think would work would be to calculate a separate percentage score on the ôstacked deckö match ups, and then divide that percentage by 10 and ADD that to the standard percentage. So, the max score would be 110% for a character that won every standard showing and every stacked showing. I don't know what your threshold is for beginning to present a character in the stacked area, but assuming it was 66% , as long as he/she maintained that, they'd get some stacked showings. If they were only on the cusp they probably wouldn't win more than 1 out of 5 stacked showings so would get 2% added. Again, the good part about that sort of adjustment would be, to see what people thought about your character more accurately even if it wasn't at the very top of the given field. The system would still be as good (or perhaps better) at wringing out that last percentile in a contest way. Just some thoughts... and lol, I think send you a bigger tip BTW.. once away from the game I realized I didn't even get past $1 worth of isk...enough for Brutix battle-cruiser seems way more valuable than a pack of chewing gum.

Shander Maxum	Posted - 2011.02.10 22:28:00 - [81] Edited by: Shander Maxum on 10/02/2011 22:29:02 BtW.. I love this sort of site. I'm a Real Estate Broker/Investor thats dabbled in a few things and wanted to try to do some things like this . A few years ago, I tried to teach myself enough programing to get there...I learned ruby, and ruby on rails (got a clue of odd new thoughts for someone new to the subject like iterating over an aray, and model view controller, ajaz, and all the easier stuff like html, css etc) .. I got lost and gave up at the deployment stage even though I had a pretty good little ap started and working on my computer for coaches managing a kids soccer team. I hadn't quite gotten the user authentication plugins sorted out and of course feared a data injection attack divulging addresses etc.. or putting p ron on a kids site. But anway.. going off topic here so I'll cut it short. Did you use a development platform for the php or would you point me anyway on that? Joomala etc? (looking at the source it didn't look like it but I'm rusty on stuff I was never really primed on in the first place). The loads are incredibly smooth for my computer. /end off topic
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.10 22:36:00 - [82] You should add Sir Bonkers to the celebrity look alike section. He looks a lot like Charlie Sheen lol. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:01:00 - [83] egegergergsdgedgege UGLY (100%) CREEPY (88%) FUNNY (84%) INTIMIDATING (62%) CREATIVE (72%) VILLAINOUS (37%) SHREWD (23%) ATTRACTIVE (20%) \o/ Im attractuve!!!!!!!!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:02:00 - [84] Hey OP, can you make it so it reloads my avatar? I fixed my eyes. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Justinius Augustus August Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:17:00 - [85] Edited by: Justinius Augustus on 11/02/2011 00:23:19 Originally by: Shander Maxum Thanks for more of your thoughts behind your creation. I don't quite get the curve but I don't need to. I was intentionally being a little opaque about that, since I'm still tweaking it. In a nutshell, each attribute has a curve and you may or may not get the full portion of it depending upon your raw score. The formula isn't really important, and it doesn't affect overall standings in the sense of, say, a top 10, so for most attributes, it's really just for the sake of morale when people look at their character sheets. Quote: When you use the stacked deck, while you're sorting among the high scorers, you're also giving characters moderately strong in an area a strong chance of driving down their percentage in that strong area below 50% by matching them against the best in class. I've thought about that, and it's true that when I play with it, I always skip the ones that are both good. I'm considering some ways to make stacked deck decisions more meaningful. In the meantime, I've recently begun tallying stacked wins and losses separately in case I ever make a decision. Quote: I know too many questions make it tough on viewers but I'd definitely use the ôbothö choice in the nonstacked deck (might word it ôgive both of them somecredit for being xxxxx) I'll consider it. Quote: An approach I think would work would be to calculate a separate percentage score on the ôstacked deckö match ups, and then divide that percentage by 10 and ADD that to the standard percentage. So, the max score would be 110% for a character that won every standard showing and every stacked showing. Yeah, maybe. These are solid game design ideas. I'm always trying to find the right balance between simple and complicated. Maybe this weekend I'll have time to tweak all of this. Thanks again! Edit: (Oops. Sorry, I missed this first time around!) Quote: But anway.. going off topic here so I'll cut it short. Did you use a development platform for the php or would you point me anyway on that? Joomala etc? (looking at the source it didn't look like it but I'm rusty on stuff I was never really primed on in the first place). No, I built it from the ground up. It's not majorly complicated, so that wasn't too big of a deal. I work a lot in ASP.NET and C# with MS SQL Server databases for my job, and while there's a lot that I like about that environment, it's much easier to get a PHP/Mysql site up and running. I'm happy to offer any tips that I can if you ever have questions.
Justinius Augustus August Enterprises	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:26:00 - [86] Edited by: Justinius Augustus on 11/02/2011 00:26:28 Originally by: Mary Jane Watson Edited by: Mary Jane Watson on 10/02/2011 19:04:06 A suggestion, could you make the background a bit darker? It would make it easier to see the subtle shadows on darker pictures. My eye is adjusting to the white bright background and for example <-- some detail is lost. Hmm...maybe. I'll try some things out. Quote: Good job on the website. And I hope you have algorithms that give newer characters to also get votes perhaps a bit more frequently than the ones who have been there longer. I do! :) Originally by: Crumplecorn Hey OP, can you make it so it reloads my avatar? I fixed my eyes. How are they supposed to look? :) I'm pulling the images directly off of CCP's image server, so I've got to take whatever they've got. I think it could take a couple of days for the image server to reprocess your portrait. Also, particularly if you're using Internet Explorer, you could be looking at a cached version of the image.
Lynn Roberts	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:31:00 - [87] 58% ugly
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2011.02.11 00:39:00 - [88] Why am I not in the Result list for ugly people, though 100% do think i am? Or arent the results some kind of top 10?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2011.02.11 01:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Justinius Augustus How are they supposed to look? :) I'm pulling the images directly off of CCP's image server, so I've got to take whatever they've got. I think it could take a couple of days for the image server to reprocess your portrait. Also, particularly if you're using Internet Explorer, you could be looking at a cached version of the image. Ah, it's updated now. When it wasn't instant I thought you might be doing some caching. All fine now though. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Razor Vision	Posted - 2011.02.11 07:52:00 - [90] Edited by: Razor Vision on 11/02/2011 07:55:00 Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege Why am I not in the Result list for ugly people, though 100% do think i am? Or arent the results some kind of top 10? Why would you purposely want to win most ugly? There's really no talent in that. It's honestly a disgrace to this great 3D Avatar program CCP has given us. Justinius Augustus, this brings up something I wanted to ask: Do you plan on ever removing avatars you come across that are blatantly crap? You know, avatars like this "egegergergsdgedgege" fellow for example. Who have no talent for making a real avatar so they just become an attention-freak by making a super messed up avatar that took them like 5 seconds to create. It's obvious that the people who submit extremely terrible alts are simply trolls who want to ruin your great website. So could you pretty please remove avatars that are so horrible whenever you come across them? Please... (I hate trolls -.-) Honestly, those troll avatars may as well be blank portraits. There's no difference in my book. And you already remove blank portraits. So just add trolls to that removal process of yours. =)



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