I dont think 'lock down' means the same as 'can put a damp on them'.

Also, well done for implying ecm is chance based. It is nigh on guaranteed to jam every time.

Confirming fleet warfare is balanced around solo pvp

Take a Megathron, add an ECCM = 41.2 sensor strength

A falcon has a 35.6% chance to jam the megathron for each racial jammer it has fitted.

The Megathron has had to give up 25% of its mids to fit that ECCM.

A falcon can fit 6 jammers no problem.


Also bear in mind not all falcons are used in small gang pvp but also used in the 10v1 scenarios so the single guy has no chance to fight back.

All the other counters to ewar have additional benefits, sensor boosters, cap injectors, tracking computers.

ECCM has no additional benefit and isn't as effective as other counters to other types of ewar.

if someone REALLY wants you, or entire gangs of logi jammed theres really nothing that can be done to stop it atm.

If someone is jamming your entire gang of Logi and you're whining that nothing can be done to stop it, you should probably stop flying in gangs of only Logi ships. Protip: Bring something that can shoot the ECM when your Logis are jammed. Unless Falcons/Blackbirds/Scorpions have recently been given infinite midslots or an AOE grid-wide ECM burst...

More stupid justifications for a broken mechanic.

Yeah right, I'll just disable the scrams and webs that are on me so I can come on over to be insta jammed by your next cycle. It should be easy since I can't lock anything to retaliate. Also not everyone flies in a gang.

So let me reconstruct your situation that brings you here to the forums:

• you flew alone
• in a ship full of tank and mods against every kind of ewar except ECM
• then hostile(s) brought an evil Falcon...

So now lets modify this story a bit

• you fly alone
• in a ship full of tank and mods against every kind of ewar except NEUTS
• then hostile(s) bring an evil Curse...

You might notice the rock, paper, scissors mechanics which you call "broken".

Thats not the case, and a curse is much more easily countered anyway. Perhaps if the curse also broke your lock so you couldn't do much but throw drones at it there would be a problem.

As it is ECM is very much broken. Everyone trying to argue against it is just being a smartarse

As it is ECM is very much broken. Everyone trying to argue against it is just being a smartarse

I am not taking either side on this argument. I think the problem with the falcon is the range at which you can jam out a target at. sitting at 100km jamming our target is hard to counter with pretty much any ship save a select few.

Falcons sitting out that far are not within their optimals so are jamming at less strength, but yes the ones that utilize that extra range are a bit rougher to push out of the fight. However, fully skilled Falcon pilots with a perfect Proteus booster can almost reach that range so the fall-off isn't too bad. But anyone with that much specialization deserves to be able fly their ship.

It would seem overpowered to be able to interfere with the LOCK RANGE or 4+ ships in a single ship right?

Well how about the damn Falcon being able to almost completely remove 4+ ships from a fight whatsoever (notwithstanding smartbombs or drones that already have a target).

I am still amazed that this bullshit is allowed to go on.

ECM is so ubiquitous it's a joke. CCP really should do something about this pathetic 'chance based' (lol) mechanic.

In before all the cowards that can't handle risk come in defending overpowered mechanics. "I can't risk having someone actually fighting while I PVP".

All I heard is "I am angry that Caldari Electronic Warfare is better than Gallente" Which would make sense since Caldari are...well the better race for EW. Learn to adapt and deal with EW, bring your own EWar ships. Stop complaining because someone else thought of something you didn't and you ended up paying for it.

Make full use of the ewar capabilities of gallente and its pretty devestating, it just needs a bit of organisation instead of half arsed fleet compositions - combine a prot or eos boosting infowar with the right ships to compliment those boosts and you can resist ecm relatively well and lockdown a lot of stuff.

It does take a fleet the thats made up of pilots who are capable of more than anchoring up, pressing F1 and badly following primaries tho.

Make full use of the ewar capabilities of gallente and its pretty devestating, it just needs a bit of organisation instead of half arsed fleet compositions - combine a prot or eos boosting infowar with the right ships to compliment those boosts and you can resist ecm relatively well and lockdown a lot of stuff.

It does take a fleet the thats made up of pilots who are capable of more than anchoring up, pressing F1 and badly following primaries tho.

does ecm stack?

Yes but then you need a very skill intensive person just to counter 1 ship.

5 years later, ECM mechanics are still untouched. Every man and his dog has a falcon alt, ecm drones are pretty much part of any standard fit, there is even a meme spouted on the thousands of killmails where a good fight was being had, then comes the falcon to plop itself on the bottom of the killmail. BECAUSE OF FALCON!

You can get round it, you can minimize risk from it, but you can't deny it is a fight killer, and an all round remover of fun from the game.