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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.02.09 12:42:00 -
[31]
fixes and balances before any more new content please
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.09 12:54:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
If you can't do pew pew in the current T1's...you are doing something wrong. Also, if you can't afford doing pew pew in T2 frigates, you are doing something wrong.
Yes because the 'choice' of rifter, rupture, arbitrator, blackbird, drake, harbinger, hurricane is right when the vast majority of the t1 lineup goes completely unused. As far as affording t2 ships well there are plenty of very competant players with very limited playtimes be them a working stiff or a time challenged student or a busy parent. So being able to log in and join up for a corp roam in an easily affordable t1 ship would be the best of all worlds for all involved. The player can quickly run a mission or two and get enough isk for a valid ship and the gang gets a regular member to add to its roster
I am one of those "hard pressed for time" and i don't have time to run missions. As far as doing a few missions and having a ship for pvp...well I'm not really seeing the problem because you can do that. Do the time limited ones need to fly drakes? No. Should they be able to fly something cheap? Yes. A good T1 frigate will cost you like 5mil with modules and rigs. That's not a problem when running missions.
Why on earth should a "weekendwarrior" be able to afford the mighty "superships"? T2 or T3's aren't meant to be bought with one mission. Yes, beating a T2 with a T1 is tricky (possible), but the odds change when it's a 2 vs. 1 scenario.
Also when you are doing missions and general "eve" you can easily get 25-40mil an hour that's enough for a T2 frigate with modules. So there is no reason to get enough isk in 10min for a T2 ship.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.09 13:26:00 -
[33]
Remove all ship classes but Frigates and Supercarriers
Imagine it
Just for a second
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.02.09 13:37:00 -
[34]
stop assuming all old players with isk ro spare know what they are doing.
I think for every 10 SC i see being used, 9 die in the exact same way and speed that any other ship does and in the rare cases the 1 that doesnt is a very good pilot that knows what hes doing with a fit that works magnificently.
Of couse the 9 idiots never make the papers, only that one t3 guy with a 500k ehp max implanted t3 boosted tank of doomzor that killed 10 BS on a gate one time.
T3 frigs will be fun and awesome and simply give more people with sp and isk to spare somthing to do, so just leave the tin foil hattery till after they are released, eh.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.09 13:50:00 -
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Indeed. New players and old player all have these traits. Sometimes all of them.
- No experience in certain eve fields (me)
- "ah, let's jus do it, think later" (me)
- Wath..a sec...gonne get me anuther beer!! (me)
- Bad luck (me)
- Got distracted by wife/futurama/tush/chat (me)
- mouse problems (cord, battery) (me)
- overall doing bad choices (me, usually means choosing a fight with a ship that wasn't the one you remembers..."oh it's a frigate...OH it was a AF")
- travel fits
- "just gonna blitz the mission with this one quickly" in pvp area....with mission fit.
- "I have time to call that last drone in..."
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.02.09 14:48:00 -
[36]
Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates.
I would think they will go for T3 BS's first, but imo the whole Command Ship line needs to be fixed first, as well as Destroyers, and Tech 2 frigates, but that would just be too logical.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2011.02.09 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: freshspree
More ships in the game creates diversity and makes the game more fun to play a.k.a not getting bored as soon as you log on.
More ships is only more diversity when those new ships do something to add to the game, without making old stuff obsolete or breaking what works. Otherwise, it's just new & shiney distracting from old & broken.
I actually wish CCP would stop adding new toys to the game, and start fixing the broken toys no one plays with.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.09 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith
Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates.
I would think they will go for T3 BS's first, but imo the whole Command Ship line needs to be fixed first, as well as Destroyers, and Tech 2 frigates, but that would just be too logical.
T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 09/02/2011 16:03:24
Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: Mithrasith
Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates.
T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09.
àand the three bullet points I mentioned (cheap, highly configurable, losing one won't be the end of the world) was how they were introduced. It was also all that was said about them.
So that is all we know: that CCP are thinking about giving us T3 frigates, and that they're supposed to be those three things.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:04:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: Mithrasith
Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates.
T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09.
àand the three bullet points I mentioned (cheap, highly configurable, losing one won't be the end of the world) was how they were introduced.
That is all we know about them: that CCP are thinking about them, and that they're supposed to be those three things.
Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar?
Too much rumor mongering going around.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith
Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar?
Too much rumor mongering going around.
I can't remember if they recorded that particular session, but there was no written statement about it, no.
All I have in the way of a link is my recorded notes from the "beyond Dominion" part of the presentation.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2011.02.09 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 09/02/2011 16:37:49
Originally by: Mithrasith
Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar?
I don't recall there ever being a dev post or blog about T3 frigs, but I do remember them being brought up at FF09; IIRC, it came along with something to make mining more interesting and possible styles of governance over the populations living in our planetary regions.
Edit: Took a minute and found a link Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY
T3 Frigs are at ~54:10
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Bluejacket CT
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.02.09 17:16:00 -
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They'll just be 4 new frigate hulls. What a bunch of alarmists.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.02.09 17:50:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Brynhilda
T3 Frigates would replace the overly used T1 Frigate class!
Like the T2 have allready.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.02.09 18:01:00 -
[45]
Yep good point - but they also say that they will be adding formations and Treatise, and I havent seen any of those yet.
Since there hasnt been an update on T3 frigs since 2009, it may have moved off of their Agenda (at least I hope it has)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.09 18:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: IoWalker
Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat.
I mean, ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ****ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation."
Get you ****ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ****ing class of ships from the stupid **** T3 disease.
Umm... you do realize that Strategic cruisers managed to obselete most command ships and hacs at the same time. A strategic cruiser only takes a month to train all the good subsystem skills to V.
If precedent holds, T3 frigates would actually make it easier for low sp people to fly viable frigates.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.02.09 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Wacktopia on 09/02/2011 19:11:56
I'm cool with T3 frig so long as the 'strategic' part differentiates them from T1/2. What I mean by this is: not faster than dramiel unless smaller tank and if a frig with a large tank is possible then it must be slow.
Personally I do not see where they can go with frigs that is genuinely new. It would be nice to see some non-breaking innovation though. Unless.... Cynojam? Rebirth of lowsec? ;)
Creating a system that allows super low sig with high agility, speed, tank and dps would be godaweful.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.09 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
I'm cool with T3 frig so long as the 'strategic' part differentiates them from T1/2.
There's nothing to suggest that they will be "strategic" frigates.
Remember, the Strategic Cruisers are just one implementation of T3 ù they're not equivalent to T3. All we know about them is what's mentioned here, and that equates to fsck-all. We can kind of guess that they'll be modular and that you will not lose SP when they blow up. Aside from that, who knowsà
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
SomeHardLovin
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.02.09 21:18:00 -
[49]
Speaking as someone who flies a lot of assault frigates.. bring on T3 :)
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lag kills
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.02.09 21:22:00 -
[50]
i want to be able to build a ship out of space legos |
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.02.09 21:58:00 -
[51]
Any linky to CCP talking about introducing T3 frigs anytime soon?
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Bill Serkoff2
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Posted - 2011.02.09 22:04:00 -
[52]
Originally by: SomeHardLovin
Speaking as someone who flies a lot of assault frigates.. bring on T3 :)
Same, I want a shiny new space mosquito, this Jag is getting boring.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.02.10 09:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: yrknat
I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP.
I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class.
You're on to something here. The whole point of frigates is that they are cheap, and so losing one, even losing many, isn't a big deal. You undock, shoot at stuff, stuff shoots back, you drop to zero HP, you awake in your clone, buy a new clone, undock, and you're back to shooting more stuff. You're not worried, because the cost of each frigate lost is laughably small.
T2 frigate hulls are a lot like that too. They are priced on the other side of 6 figure sums, but they're still reasonably cheap for a veteran player.
But if T3 frigates end up costing you SP when you lose then, then that changes the whole dynamic.
That makes them different from all other frigates on the most fundamental level.
They fail at the are they cheap to fly and lose? question.
I'm a fan of frigate hulls, and part of that is because they're sexy and fast, but a larger part is that they're cheap, so that you can afford to take risks in them. This is lost if T3 frigates end up having the same loss penalty as T2 cruisers.
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Traxaur
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Posted - 2011.02.10 11:40:00 -
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ITT
Old bad pilots getting outdone by newer ones who actually know what they're doing despite not having played the game as long leading to old bad pilot tears, these are best second only to hulkageddon tears.
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Brainzor
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Posted - 2011.02.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: yrknat
I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP.
I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class.
You're on to something here. The whole point of frigates is that they are cheap, and so losing one, even losing many, isn't a big deal. You undock, shoot at stuff, stuff shoots back, you drop to zero HP, you awake in your clone, buy a new clone, undock, and you're back to shooting more stuff. You're not worried, because the cost of each frigate lost is laughably small.
T2 frigate hulls are a lot like that too. They are priced on the other side of 6 figure sums, but they're still reasonably cheap for a veteran player.
But if T3 frigates end up costing you SP when you lose then, then that changes the whole dynamic.
That makes them different from all other frigates on the most fundamental level.
They fail at the are they cheap to fly and lose? question.
I'm a fan of frigate hulls, and part of that is because they're sexy and fast, but a larger part is that they're cheap, so that you can afford to take risks in them. This is lost if T3 frigates end up having the same loss penalty as T2 cruisers.
you don`t need to fly them if you don`t want to , mmkey ? No one will put a gun to your head and say : FLY IT , OR I`LL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT !
If you wanna be overpowered , expect some downsides . T3 ships comes with SP loss when you get blown
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.10 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Brainzor
T3 ships comes with SP loss when you get blown
Not really. Strategic Cruisers do, but we don't know yet if that is something that comes with all T3 or if it's just something that happens with that particular implementation of T3.
The idea that T3 frigates "won't be the end of the world to lose" suggests that they won't incur any SP loss.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Tanaka Reina
Caldari
Happy Penquins
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:16:00 -
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no more ships before tier system is down... I would love to see some use to ships now unused...
Shield logistics osprey!!! :D
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
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Posted - 2011.03.09 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Airu Naari on 09/03/2011 07:57:24
Well, as many of you are aware - PVP is not everything in this game (T1 and T2 are enough, but T1 and T2 cruisers are as well, yet you still see T3 in PVP) and I would love to see some T3 frigates which would be customizable (same as cruisers) for solo exploration.. you know, like a combat cov ops ship able to fit many explo mods with bonuses :D
Also, frigates are awesome, cruisers too. I always favor them above anything else, except BS in some cases. Hate capitals.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Reina
no more ships before tier system is down... I would love to see some use to ships now unused...
Shield logistics osprey!!! :D
That has been done.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.03.09 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT
They'll just be 4 new frigate hulls. What a bunch of alarmists.
This. But still fix the other ships like the Retribution and destroyers. And a lot of the T1 frigs.
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