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IoWalker	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:09:00 - [1] Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat. I mean, ARE YOU **ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation." Get you ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ing class of ships from the stupid ** T3 disease.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:23:00 - [2] Now can you explain why you give a damn?
Captain Nares	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Captain Nares on 08/02/2011 03:25:42 Plz tell us moar **ing words about what do you ing think about ing dramiel. Nothing will ing spoil ing frigate class after this ing imo. **
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Paikis on 08/02/2011 03:26:15 Originally by: IoWalker Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat. [\quote] You're gonna do what to a leper-ed rat? Also, wat is lered-ed rat?
IoWalker	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:27:00 - [5] Edited by: IoWalker on 08/02/2011 03:27:20 ^you need to get out of quote mode to really make your impression felt. -there you go.
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:28:00 - [6] Ninja-edit and what quote?
Tanthius Vanter Gallente Vanter Ventures	Posted - 2011.02.08 04:48:00 - [7] I keep reading it over and I honestly have no idea what the OP is trying to say.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.08 04:51:00 - [8] T3 Frigates would replace the overly used T1 Frigate class!
Mister Normal	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:13:00 - [9] I just hope CCP will create a Jump Tanker for cap support, giving them lots of fuels n stront when needed
yrknat	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:18:00 - [10] I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP. I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class.

Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:23:00 - [11] Originally by: IoWalker Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat. I mean, ARE YOU **ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation." Get you ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ing class of ships from the stupid ** T3 disease. At the very first looking I think this person is not happy. Now about T3 frigs /agree , enough of small cheap pwnmobils already able to wreck ships 10 to 40x their price. If ever those must happen then make them at least expensive has any T1 BS hull.
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:32:00 - [12] Usually comes down to fit more than ship class. A pvp-fit battleship should wreck any frigates that try to solo them, while a PvE-fit battleship may die to a frigate... assumig the frigate can break the tank. Also, WTF is a leper-ed rat?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:33:00 - [13] All we know about the design of T3 frigates is this: they're supposed to be cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world. Any kind of statement beyond that is just guesswork, and it's not really enough to go on to start complaining about themà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Swynet on 08/02/2011 05:41:19 Let's change this topic name to "We want T3 battleships making Caps wet theyr pantys"
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.08 06:33:00 - [15] I'm going on a limb here, but did he just loose his stuff to a T3 cruiser? Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
IoWalker	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:48:00 - [16] Now that I've calmed down a bit, and am sober, let me send a supplemental explanation. Why in the hell would you want T3 frigs, when T2 frigs are already completely eff'ed? And, overpriced. How can the game introduce T3 frigates when most AFs and EAFs are understrength in their stats and/or abilities? There is no logical way to just introduce game-breaking really expensive and SP-intensive frigates, when the game would still have these completely dead AFs and EAFs that are already overpriced like $17M for an average EAF hull for example. Yeah, yeah Jaguar and Wolf, wtfe. Also, my other concern is that, typically given what we've seen, a new T3 class comes with some ridiculous major game mechanic-breaking ability. Why would you want another type of frigate? Other than pushing the goal line (therefore training time/SUBSCRIPTION time/RE-TRAINING time after you die) quite a bit, there is NO reason for this. Oh, and frigates die a lot, that makes for whole lotta circular training on subscriptions, doesn't it? Looking at Tippia's comment, ok. I can understand that maybe a T3 frigate would not go the exact path of T3 cruisers in every single one of these aspects, but I have good reason to believe that it will, and, if it does, it will have taken away the last ship class that a new player could reasonably train for and do their part in killing things in an acceptable time frame. I mean, at least buff the lame ass T2 frigs that should have been buffed a few years ago. That's all you really need to do.
knentil	Posted - 2011.02.09 02:54:00 - [17] CCP should introduce T4s crusiers where you can pick 3 bonuses per subsystem, for 5 total subsystems and 15 total bonuses.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:05:00 - [18] Losing skillpoints every time a Thrasher sneezes in your general direction sounds like a fun concept if you ask me.
freshspree	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:22:00 - [19] More ships in the game creates diversity and makes the game more fun to play a.k.a not getting bored as soon as you log on. CCp should hurry up and release t2 caps with a full line of t3 sub caps IMHO. To the OP, i find it very very very hard to get your f* point. From the looks of it this " The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this **ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses " sounds like QQing to me. So cause you've spent 2 years in eve, no one younger should be able to beat you? Sorry but the last time i checked, no ship or skill is restricted to a certain few. You can always join a sov holding alliance if you wish to fly caps.
Lord Beginner	Posted - 2011.02.09 03:24:00 - [20] More frigate related skills are always welcome in my book.

Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2011.02.09 04:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Lord Beginner More frigate related skills are always welcome in my book. Subsystem skills and a "racial strategic frigate" skill are not exactly "more skills related to frigates". It's skills related to a SINGLE frigate.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.09 07:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Omara Otawan Losing skillpoints every time a Thrasher sneezes in your general direction sounds like a fun concept if you ask me. Scary one, I was running from a trasher a few days ago. It's enough to just run and save the ship! Loosing the ship and skillpoints...ouchie. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.09 07:15:00 - [23] CCP should immediately take all the devs off any t3 frigate development and thoroughly rebalance the entire t1 line of ships against all the new ships and mechanics they have introduced over the years. This would be a massive boost to many neglected areas of the game like t1 production or affordable weekend warrior plex funded pew pew due to the increase in demand for a greater spectrum of t1 ships for all purposes be it pve or pvp related. I'd much rather have a ham maller or prophecy than some uber niche t3 ship. Yeah yeah new content sells better than polished quality but ffs there comes a point where you have to think past short term profits to long term playability. This ain't wow after all in the popularity department so replacing emoragequit and/or bitter vet players doesn't come easy. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.09 07:40:00 - [24] If you can't do pew pew in the current T1's...you are doing something wrong. Also, if you can't afford doing pew pew in T2 frigates, you are doing something wrong. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.09 08:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer If you can't do pew pew in the current T1's...you are doing something wrong. Also, if you can't afford doing pew pew in T2 frigates, you are doing something wrong. Yes because the 'choice' of rifter, rupture, arbitrator, blackbird, drake, harbinger, hurricane is right when the vast majority of the t1 lineup goes completely unused. As far as affording t2 ships well there are plenty of very competant players with very limited playtimes be them a working stiff or a time challenged student or a busy parent. So being able to log in and join up for a corp roam in an easily affordable t1 ship would be the best of all worlds for all involved. The player can quickly run a mission or two and get enough isk for a valid ship and the gang gets a regular member to add to its roster. Plus it would be a great boost the long forgoten t1 production line which has been fairly unprofitable or ages. It would be great to be able to use an executioner or a slasher as a competent tackler instead of the total waste it is now due to even a top skilled ship running out of cap in seconds or dying to a glancing hit or a set of 4 horribly skilled t1 drones if they try to put a long point on something and keep it for any useable amount of time. Don't even get me started on the omen or maller or prophecy or ferox or moa or augoror or scythe or tristan or burst or exequorer or inquisitor or god knows pretty much the rest of the t1 lineup. Fix all those ships to be viable in pve and pvp alongside the bare handful of currently useful t1 ships and noone will even want a t3 frigate for years. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.02.09 09:02:00 - [26] #1 At one point (IIRC) CCP was contemplating tech levels through 10. #2 The term is leprous. What you should have said is, "Makes me want use use a leprous rat like a sham-wow to clean my flagpole." #3 I'm all for variety. Bring on T3. Hell, bring on T4 and T5. I don't really care about over-powered or under-powered, I just care about having options that I enjoy.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.02.09 09:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Omara Otawan Losing skillpoints every time a Thrasher sneezes in your general direction sounds like a fun concept if you ask me. I doubt they'd retain the sp-loss mechanic for the frigate size category, short of giving them an effective survivability on par with t3 cruisers... which would be pretty game-breaking. I'd expect something more directly fitting-related to balance them out, like frig subsystems having drawbacks/penalites reduced by investing points in the subsystem skills a la rigs. That's pure speculation, but so is the idea that they're planning to do t3 frigs in the first place. --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.09 09:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Omara Otawan Losing skillpoints every time a Thrasher sneezes in your general direction sounds like a fun concept if you ask me. If we can use teh T3 cruisers as an example of HP then the t3 frigate will end up to have 30 000 ehp Pod
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.09 10:16:00 - [29] Drunkposting about abandoned content, **** yeah!
Rawls Canardly	Posted - 2011.02.09 11:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Rawls Canardly on 09/02/2011 11:09:41 Tech 3 cruisers aren't as great as people think. edit- I'd rather see more types of destroyer/battlecruiser out there.

Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:42:00 - [31] fixes and balances before any more new content please You're waiting for an ibis, an ibis that will take you far away. You know where you hope this ibis will take you, but you can't be sure. But it doesn't matter - because we'll be together.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer If you can't do pew pew in the current T1's...you are doing something wrong. Also, if you can't afford doing pew pew in T2 frigates, you are doing something wrong. Yes because the 'choice' of rifter, rupture, arbitrator, blackbird, drake, harbinger, hurricane is right when the vast majority of the t1 lineup goes completely unused. As far as affording t2 ships well there are plenty of very competant players with very limited playtimes be them a working stiff or a time challenged student or a busy parent. So being able to log in and join up for a corp roam in an easily affordable t1 ship would be the best of all worlds for all involved. The player can quickly run a mission or two and get enough isk for a valid ship and the gang gets a regular member to add to its roster I am one of those "hard pressed for time" and i don't have time to run missions. As far as doing a few missions and having a ship for pvp...well I'm not really seeing the problem because you can do that. Do the time limited ones need to fly drakes? No. Should they be able to fly something cheap? Yes. A good T1 frigate will cost you like 5mil with modules and rigs. That's not a problem when running missions. Why on earth should a "weekendwarrior" be able to afford the mighty "superships"? T2 or T3's aren't meant to be bought with one mission. Yes, beating a T2 with a T1 is tricky (possible), but the odds change when it's a 2 vs. 1 scenario. Also when you are doing missions and general "eve" you can easily get 25-40mil an hour that's enough for a T2 frigate with modules. So there is no reason to get enough isk in 10min for a T2 ship. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:26:00 - [33] Remove all ship classes but Frigates and Supercarriers Imagine it Just for a second
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:37:00 - [34] stop assuming all old players with isk ro spare know what they are doing. I think for every 10 SC i see being used, 9 die in the exact same way and speed that any other ship does and in the rare cases the 1 that doesnt is a very good pilot that knows what hes doing with a fit that works magnificently. Of couse the 9 idiots never make the papers, only that one t3 guy with a 500k ehp max implanted t3 boosted tank of doomzor that killed 10 BS on a gate one time. T3 frigs will be fun and awesome and simply give more people with sp and isk to spare somthing to do, so just leave the tin foil hattery till after they are released, eh.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.09 13:50:00 - [35] Indeed. New players and old player all have these traits. Sometimes all of them. - No experience in certain eve fields (me) - "ah, let's jus do it, think later" (me) - Wath..a sec...gonne get me anuther beer!! (me) - Bad luck (me) - Got distracted by wife/futurama/tush/chat (me) - mouse problems (cord, battery) (me) - overall doing bad choices (me, usually means choosing a fight with a ship that wasn't the one you remembers..."oh it's a frigate...OH it was a AF") - travel fits - "just gonna blitz the mission with this one quickly" in pvp area....with mission fit. - "I have time to call that last drone in..." Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.09 14:48:00 - [36] Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates. I would think they will go for T3 BS's first, but imo the whole Command Ship line needs to be fixed first, as well as Destroyers, and Tech 2 frigates, but that would just be too logical.
Durnin Stormbrow	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:00:00 - [37] Originally by: freshspree More ships in the game creates diversity and makes the game more fun to play a.k.a not getting bored as soon as you log on. More ships is only more diversity when those new ships do something to add to the game, without making old stuff obsolete or breaking what works. Otherwise, it's just new & shiney distracting from old & broken. I actually wish CCP would stop adding new toys to the game, and start fixing the broken toys no one plays with.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Mithrasith Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates. I would think they will go for T3 BS's first, but imo the whole Command Ship line needs to be fixed first, as well as Destroyers, and Tech 2 frigates, but that would just be too logical. T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.09 16:03:00 - [39] Edited by: Tippia on 09/02/2011 16:03:24 Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Mithrasith Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates. T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09. àand the three bullet points I mentioned (cheap, highly configurable, losing one won't be the end of the world) was how they were introduced. It was also all that was said about them. So that is all we know: that CCP are thinking about giving us T3 frigates, and that they're supposed to be those three things. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.09 16:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Mithrasith Again this topic keeps coming up with no direct evidence that CCP is even considering T3 frigates. T3 Frigates were mentioned during Fanfest 09. àand the three bullet points I mentioned (cheap, highly configurable, losing one won't be the end of the world) was how they were introduced. That is all we know about them: that CCP are thinking about them, and that they're supposed to be those three things. Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar? Too much rumor mongering going around.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.09 16:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Mithrasith Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar? Too much rumor mongering going around. I can't remember if they recorded that particular session, but there was no written statement about it, no. All I have in the way of a link is my recorded notes from the "beyond Dominion" part of the presentation. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Durnin Stormbrow	Posted - 2011.02.09 16:37:00 - [42] Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 09/02/2011 16:37:49 Originally by: Mithrasith Link? Im not calling BS if they were mentioned in Fanfest 9, but is there a post about it or something similar? I don't recall there ever being a dev post or blog about T3 frigs, but I do remember them being brought up at FF09; IIRC, it came along with something to make mining more interesting and possible styles of governance over the populations living in our planetary regions. Edit: Took a minute and found a link Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY T3 Frigs are at ~54:10
Bluejacket CT Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.02.09 17:16:00 - [43] They'll just be 4 new frigate hulls. What a bunch of alarmists.
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.02.09 17:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Brynhilda T3 Frigates would replace the overly used T1 Frigate class! Like the T2 have allready. * Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.09 18:01:00 - [45] Yep good point - but they also say that they will be adding formations and Treatise, and I havent seen any of those yet. Since there hasnt been an update on T3 frigs since 2009, it may have moved off of their Agenda (at least I hope it has)
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.09 18:15:00 - [46] Originally by: IoWalker Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat. I mean, ARE YOU **ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation." Get you ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ing class of ships from the stupid ** T3 disease. Umm... you do realize that Strategic cruisers managed to obselete most command ships and hacs at the same time. A strategic cruiser only takes a month to train all the good subsystem skills to V. If precedent holds, T3 frigates would actually make it easier for low sp people to fly viable frigates.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.02.09 19:10:00 - [47] Edited by: Wacktopia on 09/02/2011 19:11:56 I'm cool with T3 frig so long as the 'strategic' part differentiates them from T1/2. What I mean by this is: not faster than dramiel unless smaller tank and if a frig with a large tank is possible then it must be slow. Personally I do not see where they can go with frigs that is genuinely new. It would be nice to see some non-breaking innovation though. Unless.... Cynojam? Rebirth of lowsec? ;) Creating a system that allows super low sig with high agility, speed, tank and dps would be godaweful.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.09 20:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Wacktopia I'm cool with T3 frig so long as the 'strategic' part differentiates them from T1/2. There's nothing to suggest that they will be "strategic" frigates. Remember, the Strategic Cruisers are just one implementation of T3 ù they're not equivalent to T3. All we know about them is what's mentioned here, and that equates to fsck-all. We can kind of guess that they'll be modular and that you will not lose SP when they blow up. Aside from that, who knowsà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
SomeHardLovin The Boondock Saints	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:18:00 - [49] Speaking as someone who flies a lot of assault frigates.. bring on T3 :) --- Bring forth the Assault Frigate apocalypse!
lag kills Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:22:00 - [50] i want to be able to build a ship out of space legos

Dirk Decibel	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:58:00 - [51] Any linky to CCP talking about introducing T3 frigs anytime soon?
Bill Serkoff2	Posted - 2011.02.09 22:04:00 - [52] Originally by: SomeHardLovin Speaking as someone who flies a lot of assault frigates.. bring on T3 :) Same, I want a shiny new space mosquito, this Jag is getting boring.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2011.02.10 09:25:00 - [53] Originally by: yrknat I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP. I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class. You're on to something here. The whole point of frigates is that they are cheap, and so losing one, even losing many, isn't a big deal. You undock, shoot at stuff, stuff shoots back, you drop to zero HP, you awake in your clone, buy a new clone, undock, and you're back to shooting more stuff. You're not worried, because the cost of each frigate lost is laughably small. T2 frigate hulls are a lot like that too. They are priced on the other side of 6 figure sums, but they're still reasonably cheap for a veteran player. But if T3 frigates end up costing you SP when you lose then, then that changes the whole dynamic. That makes them different from all other frigates on the most fundamental level. They fail at the are they cheap to fly and lose? question. I'm a fan of frigate hulls, and part of that is because they're sexy and fast, but a larger part is that they're cheap, so that you can afford to take risks in them. This is lost if T3 frigates end up having the same loss penalty as T2 cruisers. -- Salpad
Traxaur	Posted - 2011.02.10 11:40:00 - [54] ITT Old bad pilots getting outdone by newer ones who actually know what they're doing despite not having played the game as long leading to old bad pilot tears, these are best second only to hulkageddon tears.
Brainzor	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: yrknat I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP. I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class. You're on to something here. The whole point of frigates is that they are cheap, and so losing one, even losing many, isn't a big deal. You undock, shoot at stuff, stuff shoots back, you drop to zero HP, you awake in your clone, buy a new clone, undock, and you're back to shooting more stuff. You're not worried, because the cost of each frigate lost is laughably small. T2 frigate hulls are a lot like that too. They are priced on the other side of 6 figure sums, but they're still reasonably cheap for a veteran player. But if T3 frigates end up costing you SP when you lose then, then that changes the whole dynamic. That makes them different from all other frigates on the most fundamental level. They fail at the are they cheap to fly and lose? question. I'm a fan of frigate hulls, and part of that is because they're sexy and fast, but a larger part is that they're cheap, so that you can afford to take risks in them. This is lost if T3 frigates end up having the same loss penalty as T2 cruisers. you don`t need to fly them if you don`t want to , mmkey ? No one will put a gun to your head and say : FLY IT , OR I`LL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT ! If you wanna be overpowered , expect some downsides . T3 ships comes with SP loss when you get blown
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.10 12:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Brainzor T3 ships comes with SP loss when you get blown Not really. Strategic Cruisers do, but we don't know yet if that is something that comes with all T3 or if it's just something that happens with that particular implementation of T3. The idea that T3 frigates "won't be the end of the world to lose" suggests that they won't incur any SP loss. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tanaka Reina Caldari Happy Penquins	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:16:00 - [57] no more ships before tier system is down... I would love to see some use to ships now unused... Shield logistics osprey!!! :D
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.03.09 07:57:00 - [58] Edited by: Airu Naari on 09/03/2011 07:57:24 Well, as many of you are aware - PVP is not everything in this game (T1 and T2 are enough, but T1 and T2 cruisers are as well, yet you still see T3 in PVP) and I would love to see some T3 frigates which would be customizable (same as cruisers) for solo exploration.. you know, like a combat cov ops ship able to fit many explo mods with bonuses :D Also, frigates are awesome, cruisers too. I always favor them above anything else, except BS in some cases. Hate capitals.
Diesel47	Posted - 2011.03.09 12:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Tanaka Reina no more ships before tier system is down... I would love to see some use to ships now unused... Shield logistics osprey!!! :D That has been done.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.03.09 13:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Bluejacket CT They'll just be 4 new frigate hulls. What a bunch of alarmists. This. But still fix the other ships like the Retribution and destroyers. And a lot of the T1 frigs.

Zahara Fratmon	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Rawls Canardly Edited by: Rawls Canardly on 09/02/2011 11:09:41 Tech 3 cruisers aren't as great as people think. edit- I'd rather see more types of destroyer/battlecruiser out there. I agree with this. I tend to think that a T3 frigate might be a bit too fragile, but the idea of expanding the T2 Dessy/BC range is a good one. I might even support a T3 dessy/BC as well.
insulubria	Posted - 2011.03.09 23:08:00 - [62] Edited by: insulubria on 09/03/2011 23:09:41 Originally by: Zahara Fratmon T3 frigate might be a bit too fragile, but the idea of expanding the T2 Dessy/BC range is a good one. I might even support a T3 dessy/BC as well. exactly this. .... cool drive the prices of wormhole commodities much higher, all the wormhole based corps, that haven't come out to do incursions will be happy. I mean seriously how is it a t3 frigate is going to live any longer than a rifter. much rather see battleship sized tengus/legions then again I rather see eve return to only 3 active cynos in the whole eve universe and maybe 1 or two capital ships :) nerfing the jump drive would suck, they're bad enough as it is. maybe even needs an outer-outer ring :)
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.03.09 23:54:00 - [63] I agree they need to fix a lot of ships and also expand more on the destroyer/battlecruiser classes, T3 frigates are still an awesome idea. Saying they won't survive much longer than a Rifter is just nonsense. If they made them like the T3 cruisers, like Strategic Frigates, you could make a Freki-like Minmatar one with long range webs and fit it with arties :O Or a super mini-curse for the Amarr. Or a solo ownage jamming caldari frigate. Maybe a 90% web blaster boat for the Gallente :) T3 frigs would be sick.
Addrake Minmatar Waste Management.	Posted - 2011.03.10 02:37:00 - [64] Edited by: Addrake on 10/03/2011 02:37:59 I want to fly a Maller, Omen, Augoror, Prophecy(for anything other than a bait fit.) Hell I want to fly frigs other than Punisher hulls and not be laughed at in pvp. Being forced into (x) ship because you're (y) race and everyone seems to be using nano gangs doesn't leave a lot of room for variety. Balance out T1 hulls a bit more please.. especially frig/cruisers.
Hauling Hal	Posted - 2011.03.10 08:49:00 - [65] Edited by: Hauling Hal on 10/03/2011 08:50:13 Originally by: IoWalker Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat. I mean, ARE YOU **ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation." Get you ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ing class of ships from the stupid ** T3 disease. It takes about 1 month to get all T3 cruiser specific skills to 5, not 2 years, and you can fly them well at skill level 4 which will take about a week. Your argument is invalid.
Sigras	Posted - 2011.03.10 10:21:00 - [66] saying that the T3 cruisers obsolete the T2 cruisers is like saying the nighthawk makes the drake obsolete. Does the nighthawk do more damage? Sure! Does the nighthawk tank better? Yeah! Would the nighthawk wipe the floor with a drake? Absolutely! Then why do people still fly the drake? because the nighthawk is 1000% more expensive than a drake and its only like 20% better There will always be the need for cheap disposable ships.
To mare Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.03.10 12:17:00 - [67] Originally by: yrknat I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP. I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class. some T2 frigs can already kill your beloved caracal, T3 frigs will just do that better
Benco97 Gallente Terraprobe Dynamics	Posted - 2011.03.10 12:20:00 - [68] If we get T3 frigates before there is a T2 resource frigate I think I will just die from being so angry.
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2011.03.10 13:19:00 - [69] sounds like some people are **y because they wont be able to afford them, or be able to fly them properly if they wernt poor as **e
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.03.10 14:59:00 - [70] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/03/2011 14:59:31 Originally by: Zhim'Fufu CCP should immediately take all the devs off any t3 frigate development and thoroughly rebalance the entire t1 line of ships against all the new ships and mechanics they have introduced over the years. Agreed 100%. Why make new ships when the existing ones are only 30% utilized because the rest is usless?

IoWalker	Posted - 2011.03.10 23:41:00 - [71] Edited by: IoWalker on 10/03/2011 23:42:03 idk who necro-ed this thread, but I was saying that even T2 frigs need to get un-**ed before T3's get tossed out there like some sort of ketamine lollipops at a s** 1998 penthouse rave. wow, the word s-w-a-n-k is censored? is that because of the magazine?
Sigras	Posted - 2011.03.11 05:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/03/2011 14:59:31 Originally by: Zhim'Fufu CCP should immediately take all the devs off any t3 frigate development and thoroughly rebalance the entire t1 line of ships against all the new ships and mechanics they have introduced over the years. Agreed 100%. Why make new ships when the existing ones are only 30% utilized because the rest is[SIC] usless[SIC]? well CCP already stated in some CSM minutes that they focus more on the ships/modules that people are using which are considered unbalanced because they believe it effects more of the community as more people fly said ships/modules. They believe this to be better than tweaking ships/modules that nobody ever uses anyway What they fail to realize is that some of the ships that are not used (black ops ships for example) are not used because they are underpowered and with that mentality by CCP they will never be buffed to the point where people are willing to fly them.
Karajishi Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.03.11 13:41:00 - [73] Quote: Fix all those ships to be viable in pve and pvp alongside the bare handful of currently useful t1 ships and noone will even want a t3 frigate for years. This is a good point. I think whether they will be over-powered isn't really the issue. They need a role. If the role fits then it'll be good. But this process starts with a good look at the t1 and t2 frigs (we all know AS' need fixing!). It shouldn't be that most T1 hulls don't get used. Quote: #3 I'm all for variety. Bring on T3. Hell, bring on T4 and T5. I don't really care about over-powered or under-powered, I just care about having options that I enjoy. Essentially I agree with this. I love variety but variety is pointless if it just ends up with more loose roles and unused ships. Bringing something new and shiny shouldn't replace other ships and the need for correct roles and balancing.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.03.11 16:18:00 - [74] /confirming many an expensive t3 frigate is going to BURN before the might of a few cheaply fit rifters --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved


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