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Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Clipped Wings on 27/01/2005 21:43:41 =Official 3rd Front statement= Greetings. I am, on behalf of the 3rd Front Alliance, in the position to make my first public statement here. As of current time, 21.30 EVE time on thursday, the 27th of january, informing whom it may concern, that 3rd Front have put the standings towards the JQ Alliance, and all the corporations under the JQA alliance tag, to neutral. We have, for the longest of times, stood together against outside influences, and tried to keep the peace in lower Syndicate. Ironically, JQA was formed but a short while before the 3rd Front Alliance was formed, and our initial dealings were filled with distrust and wariness. Over time, we developed a closer co-operation, we realised we shared common enemies, namely, the pirates in Syndicate. A brief period, after the collapse of the pirate alliance named the Catch-22 Alliance, all was well in lower Syndicate. Slowly, though, something changed. JQA and NORAD were on the brink of war, at one time. 3rd Front offered to mediate, due to having friends in both camps. The near-war was resolved peacfully. And time passed by... 3rd Front watched with worry and disbelief, as increasing reports of JQA members shooting down neutrals in unclaimed systems, came in. We still considered JQA our close allies, and decided to not believe the rumors, percieving them to be the work of rumorsmiths, intending to slander JQA. Then, one day, we learned that JQA had begun shooting down people in M2-CF1, a gateway system for those travelling from Solitude, through Syndicate, to Empire. Upon inquiry, we were told that JQA had claimed M2-CF1 as their protectorate, and as such, shot down trespassers. We were assured that we were still friends with JQA, but none the less, that was the day the descent began. We voiced our concern, and our dissatisfaction with JQA's choice, and urged them to reconsider. The act of shooting neutral travellers in a gateway system is not the way an honorable and just alliance acts. We were met with glaring disapprehension. Y9G-KS, a long-time pirate fortress system, originally intended to be shared between 3rd front and JQA, and whomever lawful pilots passing through, we found, JQA already had claimed on the EVE boards. We watched, with bitterness, as the JQA we knew and worked with changed, slowly growing fat on Crokite, and yet had intentions to take Y9G-KS for themselves. The 3rd Front Alliance is not a rich one. We do not lay claim to vast regions, a single constellation is what we call our home. And yet, we were offered nothing by those we had worked alongside, aided when possible. one day, we learned that xCA were intending to attack JQA space. We assembled what we could, recalled pilots from empire space, and got ready to come to JQA's help. Then the attack came...and it struck us instead. JQA's response was, after we had contained the xCA fleet in our home system for nearly 2 days, was to stand down from full alert to high alert, seeing they were not the targets of the attack. JQA did aid us, true. And have done so many times. Never the less, as the battle for VV-VCR and M2-CF1 drew on, it became apparant that 3rd Front were taking heavier losses per pilot that the JQA members were. We lost more ships per pilot in VV-VCR, than JQA did. We lost our ships defending their home, in a sense of duty, and loyalty. In spite of feeling the scorn of JQA's navy pilots. Then the fated battle came, where a joint force of JQA, XETIC and 3rd Front pilots attempted to liberate VV-VCR. What ended up happening was that JQA were too uncoordinated to attack simultaneously, and XETIC warped away from the gate, as soon as battle started. We held on for nearly 10 minutes, hopelessly outnumbered, and outgunned. For 10 minutes we cried for help from JQA and XETIC, neither came. We brought 11 battleships, it was what we had available. we lost 10 of them. And we lost them to defend an alliance we considered our friends. When I warped my pod out, being one of the last battleships to go down, I saw 3 non-3rd Front Alliance friendly pilots at the gate the battle was raging at. That's when we opened our eyes. And that is one of the reasons for our decision. We will return JQA to neutral standings, and we are not going to further aid them in the defense of their constellations. We have lost most of what we had defending their home, only to find that we were regarded as fight-willing, and expendable neighbours. No more. For what ever it's worth, I, on behalf of the 3rd Front Alliance wish to thank parts of JQA for their friendship over the time. I hope you will understand our decision. -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Clipped Wings on 27/01/2005 21:55:08 Edited by: Clipped Wings on 27/01/2005 21:41:48 As we are withdrawing from the combat centered in VV-VCR, we will be setting the following corporations to +5.1 standings (as to avoid friendly fire incidents) ____________________ Supremacy Black Reign Black Omega Security ____________________ I realise accusations of being turncoats will rain upon us now. We have our pride, and our honor. We fought for what we felt was right, and we realised that JQA had turned into an alliance we no longer shared ideals with. Our hands are not stained with the blood of innocents, and we have not stalked random travellers to show our superiority. So call us what you wish. We were the ones who were let down; And our eyes are open now. Signed on behalf of the 3rd Front Alliance council; -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Lacrimae	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:42:00 - [3] Signed. Lacrimae, CEO of LFC ~-.¦~~O~~`.-~ Dead Stars Still Burn
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:45:00 - [4] Edited by: The Enslaver on 27/01/2005 21:52:40 Signed by The Enslaver, on behalf of Supremacy Corporation. All 3FA corporations have been set to +5.1 standings. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:50:00 - [5] Signed, Ichabod Crane - 3FA Commander
DeeCo	Posted - 2005.01.27 21:58:00 - [6] Signed allthough I am struggling with the 300 limit on standings :D Click my sig for stats
The Chef	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:00:00 - [7] Sorry to see you go. I for one will miss flying with you, whatever anyone else may say. I just hope your new found friends remain true to their word. ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Destruct	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:01:00 - [8] could someone pull that knife out of my back, please? You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
Lacrimae	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:03:00 - [9] Thank you Chef, this is greatly appreciated. It was not an easy decision to make, and naturally not all can or will understand our reasons to do this. Rest assured though that we will not fire on any JQA pilots unless fired upon. We are neutral to both sides of the conflict now and wishes to remain that way. /Lacrimae ~-.¦~~O~~`.-~ Dead Stars Still Burn
Helox	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:04:00 - [10] If you realy believe that story yourself you must be blind. And because of that I'm pretty impressed that you still managed to get that knife in our back!
Thryr Merim	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:05:00 - [11] Beautiful Beautiful m0o kills \| DNA kills
Obidios	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:06:00 - [12] Good luck to 3'rd front for the future. -----------------
Skywalker	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:07:00 - [13] Intresting times indeed...i didn't expect to see the breakdown of such strong allied bonds that fast. 3rd front obeing their new masters and turning their back on their friends. More Mafia info
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Kayosoni on 27/01/2005 22:45:21 There's no reason to feel shameful CW, you guys have a lot of guts, especially to stick around and fight against odds when your friends wouldn't come help. I hope you guys have enjoyed these fights we've had, you've gotten a lot better at pvping over the month or so we've been here, which is cool to see. I hope you take that pvp experience and do something cool with it. btw, I am NOT smacktalking here, I'm being 100% serious. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Helox	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:11:00 - [15] Owh, btw, congrats on your 15 minutes of fame.
General Shock	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:13:00 - [16] Pulls the knife out of Destruct's back. Oh.... can someone pull out the knife in my back please, Roll over!! GooooooOOoooodddd Boy Supremacy gives 3rd Front a doggy treat
Goauld	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:13:00 - [17] This should make things a lil more interesting
Cypherous	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:20:00 - [18] I will not hear a bad word said against 3FA for this (yes i'm ex-3FA) and TBH i've seen some of this i'm just surprised it took so long to happen :(. Good luck 3FA in whatever path you take from here on. =S= 3FA
Arboc	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:28:00 - [19] So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:29:00 - [20] Well now this is an interesting development. Your abandoning the same friends who so often leapt to your defence against pirates? Turning your back on those who by your own version of events came to help you in your time of need against those you now call 'friends'? Interesting indeed, neutral to both sides huh? well the numbers show different, +5.1 and 0, which side is the favoured one? Ah well, you will have to live with that decision for some time to ome clipped, fly safe......
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:31:00 - [21] perhaps you should have helped them when they jumped in to provide support for you insetad of doing nothing, and as far as ck/ass/geek go you really dont know the specifics so shhh ;)
algorythm	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:32:00 - [22] To 3rd Front I hope your conscience is clean, because mine sure is. I hope you believe in your statemant, because I sure dont. Still, I wish you good luck and to have fun. To Supremacy I dont like you. You move arround like if this is your game and every other player of this game has to bend over to you. Maybe this game is yours (any of you from CCP?) but I will leave EVE faster then bend over to you. To the local pirates, especially DNA You were the best. Although you play the other team's game, you always did it clean. It was a pleasure and a honour to fight you. Sometimes I wander if this game is made for players to have fun, or for players to have fun on other players expense. __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Arboc So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... There is only an agreement with SUPRM, BOS and RE1GN. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:35:00 - [24] Algor, if you don't like a game that allows non-consentual pvp, go play Guild wars. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Lacrimae	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Lacrimae on 27/01/2005 22:56:59 This will be the last post I will make in this thread as it will only lead to flamewars if I continue fueling the fire. Arboc, I think you are misunderstand something. This deal is made with Supremacy, Black Reign and Black Omega Security, not with Imperium. We will continue to shoot down any Imperium member (and others) committing piracy in Syndicate. We will not aid Supremacy and company in the fight against JQA and we will not aid JQA in the fight against Supremacy. If however you choose to enter our space you will be treated like any other neutral: Be warned and asked to leave, and if you do not comply I see no other way than to shoot you down. JQA has the right to feel betrayed and again, it was about the hardest decision we, at least for me, has had to take. I can only hope you will learn to understand this over time. I bid you farewell and the best of luck in the future. /Lacrimae CEO of LFC ~-.¦~~O~~`.-~ Dead Stars Still Burn
lordmix	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Arboc So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... i would like to clear something up here, 3rd front has no deal with =ASS= corp, and 3rd front are more of an anit-pirate allaince than JQA any day of the week.
Vacaburra	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:41:00 - [27] Imo, and ive been in the past at "the other side" (ufs vs fa) this is the best you could do for your alliance. For those who could say "and why did you attacked in the forums to FIX, etc etc " theres a simple reason, 3rd front fighted the enemies and those other didnt. And about the "pirate" and else, just let me quote Morpheo from Matrix: "Define REAL" :) Note: this is not meant to flame anything, just staying my OWN opinion about similar facts and the way people judge them in these forums
Tesk Malloc	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:46:00 - [28] The only statement I see that directly involves me is this one: Originally by: algorythm To Supremacy I dont like you. You move arround like if this is your game and every other player of this game has to bend over to you. Maybe this game is yours (any of you from CCP?) but I will leave EVE faster then bend over to you. Stay in Empire if you can't handle 0.0 son. Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and Official Lightbulb Screwer "You can't love life too much. Everybody dies."
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:52:00 - [29] Lol .... am i the only one seeing that basically suprem didn't even fought 3FA directly. But 3FA did fall, And JQA is still standing. Nice work guy's, i guess its time to pick my old occupation up again. -----------------------
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:53:00 - [30] This will be my last post in this thread as well, as Lacrimae stated, there is nothing here but flames and bitter words by now. There are several JQA corporations I had - and still have - the utmost respect for. There are noble pilots in JQA, who still try to live by the ideals of anti-piracy. Those are the ones I wish well, and wish they would be able to see JQA through our eyes. So to those who still don't have the blood of neutrals on your hands: For whatever it's worth, I wish you all well. And those who caused this...Well, they know, I think. As a footnote: It's not good form to threaten to pod the fleet commander of your allies's fleet because he asks one of your pilots to stop smack talking in locals. But then, maybe I'm just overly sensitive about that kind of thing. Fly safely, or however you will do it. -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Lol .... am i the only one seeing that basically suprem didn't even fought 3FA directly. But 3FA did fall, And JQA is still standing. Nice work guy's, i guess its time to pick my old occupation up again. We didn't? They were our first target of our first attack. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Maud	Posted - 2005.01.27 22:57:00 - [32] How do you guys sleep at night - probly facing each other i guess For an aliance which was supposedly Anti Pirate you soon embraced a group which includes a number of known pirate corps. As for the JQA becoming an agresive aliance ganking neutrals as the reason to do this.. don't mock peoples inteligence. People know the real reason was you have turned pirate and ditched our friendship was because the JQA are too busy to come & bail you out when you overstreach yourselves & get into trouble. This may work for you as you have allied with nearly every local pirate so any combat ineptitude would only be punished by the npc's or wandering noobs who venture out of empire. I am probly tarring some of the old 3rd front with the wrong pirate brush as I do believe there are some good people amongst you. I aplogise to them for my Bile filled post. I am just glad to be part of an aliance that holds decency as one of its goals.
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:00:00 - [33] Supremacy guys please dont feed the trolls, or in some cases, become them. Please see my post in our forums, thanks. Monkiboy Supremacy Communications Director
Riddari	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Lacrimae Arboc, I think you are misunderstand something. This deal is made with Supremacy, Black Reign and Black Omega Security, not with Imperium. We will continue to shoot down any Imperium member (and others) committing piracy in Syndicate. You know that this sort of fence-sitting always leads to trouble. SUPRM will defend their Imperium buddies. You should check up on EVE history to see umpteen examples of this kind of stand leading to a lot more trouble. Just my observation. ¼©¼ a history
LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Lacrimae We will continue to shoot down any Imperium member (and others) committing piracy in Syndicate. Supremacy aggread to that? In Imperium's thread; Originally by: The Enslaver Supremacy will defend Imperium, but remain seperate. All neutrals currently operating in the syndicate region should be warned that non-allies of Supremacy Corporation will be KOS. Bit of a mix up there? Whats going to happen when a 3rd Front guy shoots a Imperium infront of a Supremacy pilot? Just trying to clear things up . ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
Ifni	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:07:00 - [36] So did Supremacy defeat the endboss of JQA yet? -
Eleese	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:08:00 - [37] Anyone else find this extremely funny? :) I mean i know JQA wont because they've been royally let down and shafted. But im sure imperium are having a good laugh. But i find the bit were you insult xetic who flew to aid you from pirate corps invading yours and jqa space when there was no nap between us also pretty funny.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:11:00 - [38] Well well well. Isn't this interesting, I think I'll refrain from flaming here out of respect for 3rd front alliance's actions. Oh what the hell a little flaming can't hurt. JQA; does it really surprise you that others don't want to be associated with your neutral ganking behavior ? Enjoy dying, you'll be doing a lot of it if I have anything to say about it (and I do ). 3rd Front: I'll make sure any pirates and mercs I send up there to prey on JQA in the future leave you guys alone. (So far I haven't mentioned you at all since you're neutral to me) HISTORY http://eve.klaki.net/
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:14:00 - [39] As I understand this- All of Imperium and Supremacy, Black Reign and Black Omega Security are 5.1+ to 3FA in both directions with the exception of Clan Killers and Armoured Assassins. These 2 are still hostile to 3FA I believe. As such, we will not intervene on either side- it is part of the agreement. Combat between these parties is not permitted in our space. Clan Killers and Armoured Assassins share a common foe in JQA, hence our relationship. As long as conversation occurs, any misunderstanding can be sorted out peacefully. Points of contact: The Enslaver and Tholarim during EU time, myself during US time. Monkiboy Supremacy Communications Director
Wicke	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:14:00 - [40] Edited by: Wicke on 27/01/2005 23:15:42 I have lost all my respect for the 3FA. After SUPRM leaves I dont see anyway we can treat you anything more then neutral at best. Sig Broken but its uber. -.-
Thryr Merim	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:18:00 - [41] This has to be the collection of most clueless posts ever. m0o kills \| DNA kills
Avernus	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:39:00 - [42] Basically, I'm a completely neutral party in this discussion, but the contents of this post have grabbed my interest. From everything I read here a few things seem obvious when ones emotions aren't involved. 3FA did what it had to do, and for good reasons; it seems like the majority of JQA posters here need to take a harder look at their own alliance and the reasons 3FA has given for the change in standings. Kudos to 3FA for making a decision that couldn't have possibly been easy, but resulted in staying true to your principles.
Artharas	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Avernus Basically, I'm a completely neutral party in this discussion, but the contents of this post have grabbed my interest. From everything I read here a few things seem obvious when ones emotions aren't involved. 3FA did what it had to do, and for good reasons; it seems like the majority of JQA posters here need to take a harder look at their own alliance and the reasons 3FA has given for the change in standings. Kudos to 3FA for making a decision that couldn't have possibly been easy, but resulted in staying true to your principles. Tends to happen when you only hear one side of the story. ------------------------- These are my views and don't necessarily represent my corp nor my alliance.
Alzaria Lassem	Posted - 2005.01.27 23:45:00 - [44] Congratulations to 3rd Front for making the break, I hope that the invaders treat you well since you clearly do not stand for the piracy JQA did!
Cenzo	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:02:00 - [45] Would 3FA consider accepting corps from JQA that are displeased with how their alliance is running? ... just a thought I'd like to toss out.
Marruni	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:04:00 - [46] Clipped Wings a pirate now and 3FA Welcome to the world of piracy guys have fun.
Avernus	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Artharas Originally by: Avernus Basically, I'm a completely neutral party in this discussion, but the contents of this post have grabbed my interest. From everything I read here a few things seem obvious when ones emotions aren't involved. 3FA did what it had to do, and for good reasons; it seems like the majority of JQA posters here need to take a harder look at their own alliance and the reasons 3FA has given for the change in standings. Kudos to 3FA for making a decision that couldn't have possibly been easy, but resulted in staying true to your principles. Tends to happen when you only hear one side of the story. Also tends to happen when I view JQA pilots making posts that ignore the actual details of the agreement that has come about. I don't pretend to know the full situation, or even half of the story. What I can base my judgements on, and what every other neutral minded person reading this post will base their opinions on, is the content of the replies made by JQA. I take everything with a grain of salt on these boards, but there are some things that will stand out if you look for them.
Cantari	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Cantari on 28/01/2005 00:08:37 Well if you think JQA is into ganking NEUTRALS why make your self NEUTRAL? Flawed logic in there somewhere. And may I just say, what ever happens I will remember what has happened here this day. No 3FA pilot will fly safely as long as I play EvE. Enjoy. Cantari
One Percent	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:12:00 - [49] Saw this one coming a long way off.
Destruct	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Avernus 3FA did what it had to do, and for good reasons; it seems like the majority of JQA posters here need to take a harder look at their own alliance and the reasons 3FA has given for the change in standings. Kudos to 3FA for making a decision that couldn't have possibly been easy, but resulted in staying true to your principles. This is why JQA-members are upset. The stated reason for this 180 degree turn is nothing but a lie. JQA was founded to fight pirates and outlaws to keep lower syndicate safe for all. we still live by that paragon. i regret the innocents that has been caught in the middle but it has never been our intention to kill neutrals and we do try to remedy those. JQA and 3FA has shared the same views and been friends for a very long time. We have, to the best of our abilities, helped protecting our respective little corners of space. Nullifying one of the longest lasting alliances in EvE would have been one thing but to stab us in the back by lying to the community to make us look bad and nap'ing with the forces contesting our homes is a huge disspointment. You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Cantari Edited by: Cantari on 28/01/2005 00:08:37 Well if you think JQA is into ganking NEUTRALS why make your self NEUTRAL? Flawed logic in there somewhere. And may I just say, what ever happens I will remember what has happened here this day. No 3FA pilot will fly safely as long as I play EvE. Enjoy. Cantari You might want to route such threats through your alliance ambassadors. Monkiboy Supremacy Communications Director
lollerskates	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:24:00 - [52] Shocking... Well goodluck to jqa keeping their space, I'll sure miss them if they leave :<
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:39:00 - [53] I can't say I'm not disappointed. I wish we could have worked this out. I'm not going to flame. I respect 3rd front too much to let angry words fall now. You guys did what you thought you had to do, so be it. We have long known that Supremacy are quite adept at undermining people's resolve to fight them through diplomacy (even if it is shotgun-style). I'm sorry to see you fall victim to it, but I guess you can afford to stay out of the conflict...for now. Mind you, you shouldn't trust Supremacy farther than you can throw them. I've seen them change positions 180¦ at least two times since they arrived in Syndicate, saying one thing and then doing another (and I must applaud how vigorously they have done this, even if I am at the blunt end of it). Be on your guard, 3rd front. Be watchful of your new allies. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Theoraden	Posted - 2005.01.28 00:44:00 - [54] JQA are not an anti-pirate alliance, they are just an alliance that kills anything that comes near their Crokite.
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Theoraden JQA are not an anti-pirate alliance, they are just an alliance that kills anything that comes near their Crokite. I wonder why we are getting flak from Celestial Apocalypse now? As for anti-pirate, you should know very well that it is easy to twist those words any way you like. That doesn't make them true. Frankly, I would not have expected a Celest member to play the word-twisting game. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
The Chef	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:05:00 - [56] What is most worrying is that 3rd front did not make any efforts to communicate this to JQA through official channels. Our diplomats were not told anything, and there was no post on our forums about this issue. One can't help but feel that this issue would have been quite easy to solve if only the proper channels had been used to communicate your feelings. That, or the real reason has not yet been given. ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:06:00 - [57] 3FA are not pirates, nor will they ever be. JQA have every right to feel betrayed by our actions, and I would expect nothing but condemnation. But do not insult us with petty claims of piracy on our part. I respect your descision to fight on, and I would expect nothing less; however your conduct on these boards both towards us and others has been appauling, regarding that I am at a loss for words. We do what we must to survive, and there are other ways to solve a conflict than through military might. You will hear nothing more from me on the matter. Regards, Ichabod Crane.
Asier	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Asier on 28/01/2005 08:06:11 Edited for hipocracy. Dont even know if that's spelled right :)
Bertie	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:08:00 - [59] So I see JQA being touted as 'Pirate Alliance' now, and 3FA being congratulated for breaking away and joining the xCA horde. ???!!!!WTFHASTHEWORLDGONEMAD??!!!! FACT: JQA has ALWAYS been anti-pirate and it's member corps honour that religiously. FACT: Any neutral shot down in error by JQA has a route to complain and we will recompense them for thier loss - does this practice sound like a pirate alliance to you?? FACT: xCA can be classed as nothing but a pirate group given their recent invasions and convenient associations with pirate corps FACT: xCA have been throwing propaganda around JQA member corps for days, offering 'Get out now and we'll give you safe passage' and 'We would like to co-exist...'. Both have been rejected as we will not succumb to a pirate group. Were JQA the only ones to get those offers? I think not. And that sheds an interesting light on this development now doesn't it? FACT: I am proud that JQA is standing it's ground on this. I for one would be ashamed to be a part of an alliance that sold out on either itself or its allies. NB These opinions are my own and do not purport to represent either my corp or JQA.
Theoraden	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Theoraden JQA are not an anti-pirate alliance, they are just an alliance that kills anything that comes near their Crokite. I wonder why we are getting flak from Celestial Apocalypse now? As for anti-pirate, you should know very well that it is easy to twist those words any way you like. That doesn't make them true. Frankly, I would not have expected a Celest member to play the word-twisting game. Oi, I do not speak as Celests voice, I was in JQA, and I am voicing my opinion on their status PvP wise. Celest has no opinion on JQA. You guys don't actively go out to kill pirates, you just shoot anything within your borders, if you were truely anti-pirate you'd do something about the ones that infest lower syndicate.
Asier	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:09:00 - [61] Edited by: Asier on 28/01/2005 08:19:59 Edited for hipocracy again...
Goauld	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Ichabod Crane 3FA are not pirates, Ichabod Crane. That im afraid i have to agree with.
Hessi	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Hessi on 28/01/2005 01:13:51 Originally by: Ichabod Crane We do what we must to survive, and there are other ways to solve a conflict than through military might. Thanks for giving out the real reason why you did what you did instead of some diplomatic whitewash painting old former friends as evil.
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:15:00 - [64] Originally by: Theoraden You guys don't actively go out to kill pirates, you just shoot anything within your borders, Apparently, a lot has changed since you were a member. Read about the y9g and m2 accusations. Those actions were taken by JQA to route out pirates. Our navy had the responsibility to seek out pirates beyond our borders before the xCA war as well. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:19:00 - [65] lol that corp asier, dna has a char in there also oh nos ;)
Cmdr Sp0ck	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:20:00 - [66] What's so wrong with shooting unknown people in your claimed space? Morale issues? Sheeesh
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:23:00 - [67] Your navy needs lessons in the difference between ganking everyone they encounter and killing "pirates", but I guess there's no point anymore, your image as a whole is already so tainted even your closest allies choose not to associate with you anymore. http://eve.klaki.net/
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:25:00 - [68] Yes, I know about your little incident. We apologized. That horse is dead already. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
lollerskates	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:28:00 - [69] JQA has always shot anyone who goes into their space, and nobody ever cared because your not going through vv to go anywhere... The problem was just when they claimed M2-CF1, one of the major hubs of lower syndicate. Now legitimate people going to solitude run the risk of getting shot down.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:37:00 - [70] I don't remember an apology, nor even being contacted by anyone from JQA, nor will I let it drop, ever http://eve.klaki.net/
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:43:00 - [71] Edited by: Diemos on 28/01/2005 01:43:25 Originally by: Bertie So I see JQA being touted as 'Pirate Alliance' now, and 3FA being congratulated for breaking away and joining the xCA horde. ???!!!!WTFHASTHEWORLDGONEMAD??!!!! FACT: JQA has ALWAYS been anti-pirate and it's member corps honour that religiously. FACT: Any neutral shot down in error by JQA has a route to complain and we will recompense them for thier loss - does this practice sound like a pirate alliance to you?? FACT: xCA can be classed as nothing but a pirate group given their recent invasions and convenient associations with pirate corps FACT: xCA have been throwing propaganda around JQA member corps for days, offering 'Get out now and we'll give you safe passage' and 'We would like to co-exist...'. Both have been rejected as we will not succumb to a pirate group. Were JQA the only ones to get those offers? I think not. And that sheds an interesting light on this development now doesn't it? FACT: I am proud that JQA is standing it's ground on this. I for one would be ashamed to be a part of an alliance that sold out on either itself or its allies. NB These opinions are my own and do not purport to represent either my corp or JQA. FACT: I don't give a flying ****
Ifni	Posted - 2005.01.28 01:53:00 - [72] Edited by: Ifni on 28/01/2005 01:52:43 Originally by: Theoraden if you were truely anti-pirate you'd do something about the ones that infest lower syndicate. I don't infest. I linger. -
Kristoffer	Posted - 2005.01.28 02:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Clipped Wings Then the attack came...and it struck us instead. JQA's response was, after we had contained the xCA fleet in our home system for nearly 2 days, was to stand down from full alert to high alert, seeing they were not the targets of the attack. In my first week as JQA I remember clearly joining a JQA relief fleet sent down to 3FA space because of trouble with Supremacy in your space. Funny.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.01.28 02:21:00 - [74] Originally by: One Percent Saw this one coming a long way off. You're not the only one to do so. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.28 02:33:00 - [75] The face of politics within eve is changing. People's views change. What i ask JQA to consider here, is that 3FA is taking their own members into account here, and their own values. I'm not asking you to like what's going on here, i've been in a similar situation, yea it's not the nicest of places, but guys don't flame them, appreciate why they've done this. Reverend Necrona
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.01.28 02:35:00 - [76] Edited by: Ben Derindar on 28/01/2005 02:38:03 Originally by: Theoraden they are just an alliance that kills anything that comes near their Crokite. Well of course. Every alliance has a right to protect its assets. Regards the original statement, I would like to remind everyone that there is a difference between a neutral standing and a hostile standing. Yes, it's unfortunate that 3rd Front are no longer our allies, but there's no need for back-stabbing metaphors unless they decide to actually fire on us. They've said they won't anyway, so that's fine by me. I can imagine the difficulty with which this decision would have been made, but while not everyone may like what it says or appreciate its timing, we should still respect them for making their position clear. EDIT: Reverend, I was getting around to it. /Ben
Missa	Posted - 2005.01.28 02:37:00 - [77] Clipped, I love you like a friend of a brother but you have to realize in the battle on the 23rd of Jan most of Xetic and the JQA got kicked from the Eve server about 3 minutes and 40 seconds into the battle. We were not allowed to relog into the game for over 20 minutes when the node went down. There is nothing anyone can do about this problem but CCP. They alone hold the power to fix this and to have prevented it from happening, as well as the power to fix it for the future so it doesn't happen. I really thought more of you...but then again most likely this message from 3rd front I bet is due to some pressure from Suprem and their minions. As far as y9g is concerned, I know that you Clipped have been in contact with people in our alliance on the 21st of this month or earlier by a day or 2. These conversations which I have not seen myself, but have seen reports which clearly state this to be the opposite of what you typed today on the forums...And if that's true and you are just blatantly(sp?) lieing now on the eve-online forums...well I really thought more of you This is all really sad...why Clipped? Why? --Missa New Siggy to Come Soon(tm)
Wicke	Posted - 2005.01.28 03:02:00 - [78] Edited by: Wicke on 28/01/2005 03:58:17 Sig Broken but its uber. -.-
Paladin Knight	Posted - 2005.01.28 04:12:00 - [79] Good Bye Clipped and 3rd Front . As one of the people that helped set you up where you are today with Wolfman , I must say ..... WTF ? Iv known you all for a long time , and I know the truth . If I have to start posting all eve mails and chat logs here it wont make 3rd look good at all ! At least you could of told me about this .
Paladin Knight	Posted - 2005.01.28 04:15:00 - [80] Edited by: Paladin Knight on 28/01/2005 04:15:17 opps posted under the wrong char , this is Nache1
Dust Brother	Posted - 2005.01.28 04:35:00 - [81] Believe me, we all can read between the lines. 3FA are making up reasons so they dont have to fight. They are simply... S C A R E D... they know it'll be a drawn out war, they know they dont have the might, honor, or courage to be an ally, so they rather claim "neutral" and be amongst themselves. They basically are living the philosophy... "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer". PLAIN AND SIMPLE... 3FA ARE COWARDS.
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.28 04:40:00 - [82] great way to show repsect to friends calling them cowards and such if it was really backstabbing yall like half of you are crying about they would be shooting at you but there not, go figure.
Dust Brother	Posted - 2005.01.28 04:46:00 - [83] Originally by: CKieschnick great way to show repsect to friends calling them cowards and such if it was really backstabbing yall like half of you are crying about they would be shooting at you but there not, go figure. who said i was a friend? anyway, seems to me if JQA does get overun, perhaps they'll be looking for a home where 3FA now resides. a knife in the back is hard to forget.
Baun	Posted - 2005.01.28 05:34:00 - [84] JQA are class acts, sorry to see this happen to them. The Enemy's Gate is Down
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2005.01.28 05:41:00 - [85] Eh, I have seen this story somewhere before..hmmm where was it? Oh yeah I remember ..It was in the north. Except with diffrent characters... Hmm let me guess Supremecy = Bob, That means JQA = PA, then that makes 3rd front=N.S.A/fade union. So that means 3rd front goes nuetral(check).. Supremecy and allies concentrates on JQA(check). Once JQA is defeated or almost defeated. Supremecy start using their pirate friends to start harassing 3rd front. Then Supremecy makes up excuse(plotting attack, lost frigate, etc..) to attack 3rd front. Supremecy wins.. Hmm history repeats itself.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.01.28 05:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Baun JQA are class acts, sorry to see this happen to them. Too bad the same cant be said for you. Wise decision to seek peace with these corporations. It takes bold leadership to look to the future rather than living in the past. These are three of the best, if not THE best corps in Eve. Their word can be taken straight to the bank.
fugazii	Posted - 2005.01.28 05:56:00 - [87] Originally by: Arboc So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... there are no pirates in .0 because to be a pirate youd need to break a law of some type, .0 systems lack laws therefor making what you said untrue. in .0 theres only attackers and defenders, no neutrals, no pirates, no good/bad guys.
Baun	Posted - 2005.01.28 05:58:00 - [88] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Baun JQA are class acts, sorry to see this happen to them. Too bad the same cant be said for you. Stinging over getting absolutely owned today are you? Don't troll this thread please. Keep it on topic. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.01.28 06:03:00 - [89] Edited by: Vince Draken on 28/01/2005 06:03:56 Originally by: Baun Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Baun JQA are class acts, sorry to see this happen to them. Too bad the same cant be said for you. Stinging over getting absolutely owned today are you? Don't troll this thread please. Keep it on topic. LOL, keep dreaming. By FA's standards killing 5 and lossing 4 is pounding someone. I guess you really do suck. Onoes, you got one more Shinra battleship in an engament. You should be truely proud. Our current kill loss ration for bs is over 20:1. Including the 6 we have liberated from safespots. Keep trying Baun and you might be as believable as Fox News.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2005.01.28 06:06:00 - [90] Oh yeah, glad I bought all those offices with an alt corp in FOuntain now. I'll be smoking a victory cigar their soon enough.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.28 06:48:00 - [91] Originally by: Vince Draken Keep trying Baun and you might be as believable as Fox News. Don't you mean CNN? ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Bubba George	Posted - 2005.01.28 06:59:00 - [92] I for one was for this agreement for a couple of reason..I was tired of lame excuses from JQA as to why they didn't show up while I watched myself and my allance m8's die.Allthe while knowing that they are less than a button click away..Or of coarse there is also the old faithful.OOOOPPPPSSS we forgot to change our standings towards your corp..I'm sorry..Needless to say JQA has cost me 2 Apocs, 1 Arma, and a Scorp from these type of problems..That's not counting the cruisers and frigates that I resorted to using towards the end whenever I knew JQA was gonna be involved..No this wasn't easy for any of us the accept and if we end up getting betrayed(Which I'm sure will happen sooner or later) We'll have to deal with it then.But atleast then we will have clear cut enemies again not the stabbing in the back we got from JQA when they were supposted to help or we were helping them..ie freindly fire or we couldn't jump for this or that reason..And yes I am using my alt for this post because I don't feelt he need to bring my main out into the open about his true feelings atm.. Yes I'm an Alt....Deal with it..
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.28 08:19:00 - [93] Keep the topic on topic please, and cut the flames. In the meantime, I look forward to showing everyone that doubts the reliability of Supremacy's word wrong. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Riddari	Posted - 2005.01.28 08:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Vince Draken These are three of the best, if not THE best corps in Eve. Their word can be taken straight to the bank. But they bounce and are only valid for a few days, nothing beyond that ¼©¼ a history
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:19:00 - [95] Respect their decision huh? You have to be dreaming or taking those little pink pills again right? We have spent more time in 3FA space helping them than they care to admit. So you lost ships? Don't suppose it's because you can't really fly them properly and/or lack any serious kind of command and control? They say we are murderers of innocents, weakassed excuse if I have ever seen one. Real reason? *****whupped, well at least Clipped and partner are, from what I hear this wasn't necassarily a democratic alliance decision but more from a decision made by megolomanic control freak. But hey, let's keep the medical conditions out of this and get down to the brass tacks of it all...... YOU SERIOUSLY BETTER HOPE I AM COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DESTROYED IN THIS BATTLE, THAT ME AND MY FRIENDS ARE DRIVEN COMPLETELY FROM THIS UNIVERSE.... MY MEMORY IS VERY LONG AND MY ANGER DEEP ROOTED AND VENGEFUL, HAVE NO DOUBT AT SOME POINT WE WILL BE 'SPEAKING'.....
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:28:00 - [96] Originally by: Missa Clipped, I love you like a friend of a brother but you have to realize in the battle on the 23rd of Jan most of Xetic and the JQA got kicked from the Eve server about 3 minutes and 40 seconds into the battle. We were not allowed to relog into the game for over 20 minutes when the node went down. I believe Clipped is talking about a battle that happened on the 25th (maybe the 24th) Where his allies(esp xetic i believe) who he was in teamspeak with didn't dare to jump in like they said they would, if they had maybe 3FA wouldn't have lost so many BS. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Angelkiss	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:36:00 - [97] Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Lacrimae Arboc, I think you are misunderstand something. This deal is made with Supremacy, Black Reign and Black Omega Security, not with Imperium. We will continue to shoot down any Imperium member (and others) committing piracy in Syndicate. You know that this sort of fence-sitting always leads to trouble. SUPRM will defend their Imperium buddies. You should check up on EVE history to see umpteen examples of this kind of stand leading to a lot more trouble. Just my observation. Riddari is right. JQA cannot stand forever against Supremacy and their 2 buddies. And once Imperium has quelled things in their space they will come to aid Supremacy and JQA will be but a memory. I know this, all of us in JQA know this. But we won't lie down and take it, nor will we lay down our arms and settle for false peace. Let me ask you ONE question: After we're driven from our home, who do you think the next target will be? If you honestly think Supremacy will keep to their word you have the IQ of plantlife. They will betray you to their fellow pirates. They will financially back those that carry the fight against you for a slice of your space when it all over. They set their standings toward you higher just because it's one less thorn in their side while they begin a tyrannical rampage in Syndicate. Rest assured when their guns come to bear toward you they will say, "We never actually AGREED not to fight you." And even if they did, they will say, "Things have changed. We need more resources so we want your space too." And hence the last of the righteous will fall in the Syndicate and a new Pirate alliance shall be born from the spilled blood of the righteous and the twisted seed of Imperium and its allies. Mark my words, history will repeat itself. hangs her head in sorrow
Chris Reed	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:41:00 - [98] Now, let's just clear up a few things here. First of all, JQA DID know that 3rd was unhappy with our navy's modus of operations in M2. It was discussed between me and Clipped, and as I told him, things were beeing changed to make sure that any trigger-happy pilots got things under control. Now, considering how that conversation went (and the fact that clipped were supposed to convey these thoughts also to our Trim, witch I didn't hear anything more about beeing done) I find it hard to believe that this is the main reason for this decision. You're not always easy to work with Clipped, but I do respect your decision. Only time will tell if it was a wise one... On a totally different note (or is it? ), congratz to SUPRM & friends! Most people here applaud your PvP abilities, and by all means I agree. But, the field where you use most effort these days is in psiops, and it seems you are better at it than I thought. When I first recieved reports of your attempts to divide your enemy I underestimated your intentions, goals and abilities. That won't happen again... I do however admit that you guys won the propaganda-war in this case.
Angelkiss	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:44:00 - [99] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Arboc So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... there are no pirates in .0 because to be a pirate youd need to break a law of some type, .0 systems lack laws therefor making what you said untrue. in .0 theres only attackers and defenders, no neutrals, no pirates, no good/bad guys. Once again untrue. 0.0 wasn't designed to be lawless, but a chance for the EVE comunity to enact their own policies and standards while not interfering with the main story line. It is comments like yours that make for the downfall of honor and good order in the EVE universe and our beloved mother earth. (For those of us that pay attention to real-life that is) Pirates are traditionally those that used violence, force and intimidation on the high seas for personal gains. Since space-faring terms are synonomous with sea terms a pirate in EVE would be one that uses the aforementioned tools to achieve his or her goals.
Tar om	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:51:00 - [100] Originally by: PASTOR TROY Eh, I have seen this story somewhere before..hmmm where was it? Oh yeah I remember ..It was in the north. Except with diffrent characters... Hmm let me guess Supremecy = Bob, That means JQA = PA, then that makes 3rd front=N.S.A/fade union. So that means 3rd front goes nuetral(check).. Supremecy and allies concentrates on JQA(check). Once JQA is defeated or almost defeated. Supremecy start using their pirate friends to start harassing 3rd front. Then Supremecy makes up excuse(plotting attack, lost frigate, etc..) to attack 3rd front. Supremecy wins.. Hmm history repeats itself. Yup, good old divide and conquer still works as well as ever. Kudos to Supremacy and Monkiboy for playing it so well. To anyone who thinks that they can do a deal with Supremacy and gain lasting peace WAKE UP AND GET THE CR@P OUT OF YOUR EYES. Supremacy are not about peacefull alliance, they are about pure PvP. To do PvP you need enemies, that means YOU ARE NEXT! some people are just too stupid to breath... -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Jack Remeau	Posted - 2005.01.28 09:55:00 - [101] All I hear from JQA is "driven from our home", "fighting till the last isk" etc. Maybe you should try the diplomatic route? We know that it will take a long time (if its really possible with npc-stations in the system) to remove all hostiles from JQA-space... and I think the corporations in JQA need to think hard about what they want for the future. You can live in the past and keep saying: "this is our space", but reality shows different. You WILL starting to loose people if the current situation continues... and do you want that?
Jack Remeau	Posted - 2005.01.28 10:00:00 - [102] Originally by: Tar om Originally by: PASTOR TROY Eh, I have seen this story somewhere before..hmmm where was it? Oh yeah I remember ..It was in the north. Except with diffrent characters... Hmm let me guess Supremecy = Bob, That means JQA = PA, then that makes 3rd front=N.S.A/fade union. So that means 3rd front goes nuetral(check).. Supremecy and allies concentrates on JQA(check). Once JQA is defeated or almost defeated. Supremecy start using their pirate friends to start harassing 3rd front. Then Supremecy makes up excuse(plotting attack, lost frigate, etc..) to attack 3rd front. Supremecy wins.. Hmm history repeats itself. Yup, good old divide and conquer still works as well as ever. Kudos to Supremacy and Monkiboy for playing it so well. To anyone who thinks that they can do a deal with Supremacy and gain lasting peace WAKE UP AND GET THE CR@P OUT OF YOUR EYES. Supremacy are not about peacefull alliance, they are about pure PvP. To do PvP you need enemies, that means YOU ARE NEXT! some people are just too stupid to breath... Yes, we live for PvP but that does not mean we are a raging bull that attacks everything near us just because it moves. We have a lot of unfinished business with several of the largest alliances in the game (hello Xetic, hello FA)... I would like to finish that business But first JQA
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.28 10:24:00 - [103] Why cant anybody understand that we dont fight here for fun, but for the necessity of a new home. We choosed Syndicate, which is near our friends the Imperium. We will do anything necessary to achieve this goal. JQA, 3rd Front and other arent our sworn enemys. We proved by an agreement with 3rd Front, that we are able to solve issues diplomaticly and peacefully. Pls dont make us something that we arent, the pure evil. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.01.28 10:27:00 - [104] A wee word of advice to the JQA pilots. You might be upset with 3rd Fronts actions, but I'd advise you don't go turning them from neutral to a hostile party with what seem to me to be threats of retaliation (i might be wrong of course). I don't doubt the alliance leadership cadre aren't quite as hotblooded as some of the JQA pilots seem to be, but might be an idea to cool your guys jets a bit. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Woohoo	Posted - 2005.01.28 11:40:00 - [105] Edited by: Woohoo on 28/01/2005 11:40:13 Originally by: Trooper B99 A wee word of advice to the JQA pilots. You might be upset with 3rd Fronts actions, but I'd advise you don't go turning them from neutral to a hostile party with what seem to me to be threats of retaliation (i might be wrong of course). I don't doubt the alliance leadership cadre aren't quite as hotblooded as some of the JQA pilots seem to be, but might be an idea to cool your guys jets a bit. The problem is when your allies stop being allies, any accidental shooting or potential spying claim will be viewed with extreme suspicion from both sides involved. You cannot stay neutral in this game unless you stay in different systems. Since we all have common systems which we travel to empire in.. this will sooner or later get messy :(
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.01.28 11:56:00 - [106] I congratulate you 3FA for recognizing that your one time allies have become insane and xenophobic from all that mining. It is sad to see yet another alliance succumb to crokite fever --------------------------------------------------
Angelkiss	Posted - 2005.01.28 12:12:00 - [107] In reply to Supremacy, yes ALL of Supremacy, Make you into something you're not? Diplomatic approach? ROFLMAO!! I'm sure you were very diplomatic when you came in guns blazing. Just face the truth, you ARE evil. All of EVE knows it. You make nice offers and equitable deals only to turn on them in the end. There is no diplomacy with an adversary that has no intent on compromise, you proved that with the first offer of peace to JQA being completely rescinded and amassing a fleet with only one purpose... conquest. That's what xCA has been after since the day they stepped into JQA space. But rest assured our pilots are getting a swift hard lesson in PvP by your veteran pilots and soon, you will face an adversary equally skilled as you but fueled by a burning lust for vengance. (Not all of us are rational, you know. ) Even 3FA will be stung by your treacherous ways. In the end, you may face internal disruption as well. Then you will be where we stand. Desparatly trying to hold on to your space while a newfound pact camps your stations and flames you on the boards. Then what? Diplomacy? Give me a break. I call to those honest pilots within xCA/Imperium. You're just as guilty of piracy by standing by and letting your corpmates do it. Plain and simple. Guilty by association, and speaking from experience that sucks really bad. So you go on trying to make yourselves look like you're just "looking for a new home" and "trying to reach our goals diplomatically". All lies. Everyone knows it. One interesting thing may come out of this, though. It is clear that every alliance has pirates in it. Even alliances that seemed honorable support the actions of xCA/Imperium and it's known pirate cohorts. I wonder if it'll come down to honest players versus pirates? Oh well, I'm done. This feels more like United Nations in pre-school than a video game.
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.01.28 12:18:00 - [108] S P E R M 4tw New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Sevanna	Posted - 2005.01.28 12:22:00 - [109] I can't say I don't feel betray'd, but if 3rd front feel they should back out, and bed with xCA, it's their own short time sollution to the problem. Sad as it may be to loose long time allies, in times like this, It wont change any facts. But the comments... I had more respect for 3rd front, a few minutes ago, before i read this post I must say. Hope it will work out for you guys. As for JQA, we will stand on our own if need be, and keep on the ongoing struggle. with or without help. :: rebell against opression ::
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.28 12:28:00 - [110] I wont kid you, Supremacy isnt subtle when it comes to diplomacy, we're just a very determined bunch of people. Ill assure you of one thing though, our friends are important to us. Things are looking good between 3FA and us, and we believe that something can be worked out with JQA so that we too might be friends and possibly allies some day. Dont laugh just yet. Supremacy are a great bunch to fly alongside- I love flying with these guys and gals everyday- but keep in mind, what makes Supremacy all the more fun is our friends. We stick together- alliance, no alliance, entire galaxy against us, or not. We're in it thick and thin. All we have is our friends, space is traded, won and lost but our friends remain the same- but we like to pick our friends very carefully, as indeed our friends have chosen us. Despite the antagonisms on both sides, the Supremacy guys still have the utmost respect for the fighting ability and dedication that is evidenced everyday by the JQA fighters. We see great potential in many of the JQA corps as a fighting force to be reckoned with. We definitely do like some more than others, some of your interceptor pilots are truly top notch in 1 on 1's and you have the most dedicated force I think we've ever fought. It has been an honour to fight each and every one of you. Unfortunately, the war machine is still roaring on our end and must keep roaring until something can be worked out. We do not seek the destruction of JQA, but we feel we had little other choice than to follow this course of action when our initial offer was essentially answered with a fleet battle, not that we could blame you- see the item regarding respect above. We hope that in the time since then, cooler heads have prevailed and something can be worked out to avert further bloodshed. We sincerely believe that it is possible for both parties to reach an outcome that is a win-win for us both. Monkiboy Supremacy Communications Director
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.28 12:36:00 - [111] Well to be honest in one very important respect I think we should thank our old allies. Things have been looking a little bleak one might think, morale has been a lot better in the past, but events like this sometimes have the reverse affect desired ie, we are madder than a hornets nest thats just been kicked. It has strengthened our resolve to stand fast and fight, given us a righteous belief in our own goals. If xCA thought we were stubborn before, you should see how we all feel now. Sadness has been replaced resoluteness, fear has been replaced by determination. Before you all jump up and shout 'so you were scared huh?' I will quote Bertrand Russell: Quote: Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Heptameron Well to be honest in one very important respect I think we should thank our old allies. Things have been looking a little bleak one might think, morale has been a lot better in the past, but events like this sometimes have the reverse affect desired ie, we are madder than a hornets nest thats just been kicked. It has strengthened our resolve to stand fast and fight, given us a righteous belief in our own goals. If xCA thought we were stubborn before, you should see how we all feel now. Sadness has been replaced resoluteness, fear has been replaced by determination. Before you all jump up and shout 'so you were scared huh?' I will quote Bertrand Russell: Quote: Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. Sweeeeet now we get some good fights again Side note after being called a Pirate for being a pvper Im going to add lots of pirates to my siggy. YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:21:00 - [113] I would like to be informed of any time that Supremacy has ever betrayed its allies, or people it considers its friends, or otherwise an official announcement such as this. You will find nothing. We abide by our word, such is extremely important to us. Keep living in your fantasy world if you think we are dishonorable. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:22:00 - [114] Quote: Just face the truth, you ARE evil. All of EVE knows it. You make nice offers and equitable deals only to turn on them in the end. There is no diplomacy with an adversary that has no intent on compromise, you proved that with the first offer of peace to JQA being completely rescinded and amassing a fleet with only one purpose... conquest. Angelkiss lass, all I can say is speak to your fleetcommanders, speak to the CEO's in JQA and you will see that talks were initiated and indeed, we had talks for hours on end at times. That is diplomacy. Carrot and Stick diplomacy yes, but then again, we're soldiers, we fight, we're here to kill. We certainly aren't evil . . . thinks about Kayo and Ens well, not all of us. As for honest pilots, I trust my wingmates with my life and they to I. There is no higher trust than the bond between soldiers in a time of war. grins Besides, we're having fun. Originally by: Woohoo The problem is when your allies stop being allies, any accidental shooting or potential spying claim will be viewed with extreme suspicion from both sides involved. You cannot stay neutral in this game unless you stay in different systems. Since we all have common systems which we travel to empire in.. this will sooner or later get messy :( Good points lad, though in my opinion it is possible to stay neutral as long as your directors do their work with corporate standings and everyone knows where they are in relation to their enforibly claimed space. I'm certain if there were neutral fire incidents, the involved parties in JQA and 3rd Front would settle amicably. That is, as long as tempers don't get frayed too much or too much is said here. Lets think. Ah! For example, There should be no problems with 3rd Front being neutral if they aren't past VV-V, as far as i remember, it's been widely proclaimed by your people that you don't shoot neutrals travelsing from A to B outside of JQA space with no intention of settling or traveling past VV-V . . . with the exception of Ms Thorrk of course. winks You know which corps are attacking you inside of JQA space. We should all be red on your autoscanner, so there should be no problems when your pilots are travelling outside of JQA claimed space with shooting neutrals or 3rd Front. But I digress. Yes, I agree, at times like this, suspicion can be overwhealming and oft times people are on the look out for skape goats . . . and i'm not meaning the SUPRM pilot chuckles, and things could easily get messy if JQA aren't careful with what they do and say. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Chris Reed	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:25:00 - [115] Originally by: The Enslaver I would like to be informed of any time that Supremacy has ever betrayed its allies, or people it considers its friends, or otherwise an official announcement such as this. You will find nothing. We abide by our word, such is extremely important to us. Keep living in your fantasy world if you think we are dishonorable. While you have gained my respect for your general attitude and behaviour, you loose points at this one. I can with just a few minutes searching find both convoes and public posts where you claim that you are not interested in settling in JQA space, yet now you have suddently changed your mind...
olyyy	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:43:00 - [116] Edited by: olyyy on 28/01/2005 14:17:04 Edited by: olyyy on 28/01/2005 14:15:03 Although we regret the choice made by 3rd Front Alliance, the Xetic Federation respects it. Concerning the JQA conflict, the Xetic Federation will continue to assist the JQA against Imperium and co. As long as I'll be MoD the XF will reject all negociations with Imperium and friends until they leave JQA space. Please note that leaving JQA space to invade 3rd Front Alliance Space won't be considered as a move permitting the opening of negociations. Ah and and I forgot: the xCA propaganda machine with Spurm or whatever alts posting with "I'm a 3FA member and I'm scared for my own safety coz I'm gonna say a lot of crap!" doesn't work with me o.- edit: my eyes get tired when reading 6 pages of flames Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Arboc	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:50:00 - [117] Originally by: Jack Remeau You WILL starting to loose people if the current situation continues... and do you want that? Oh dear Jack.... You seriously under estimate JQA. JQA is strong & despite the best efforts of Supremacy pilots with weapons & words and fruitless offers, we are stronger today than we were yesterday and we will be even stronger tomorrow. Untied we stand in the face of evil, and yes Supremacy and their friends are evil, no matter how you try to dress it up, invading someoneÆs home with force is piracy. United we stand JQA For ever -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Perrin Aybara	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:52:00 - [118] Originally by: olyyy Please note that leaving JQA space to invade 3rd Front Alliance Space won't be considered as a move permitting the opening of negociations. And why would we want to do this, is it because i is a pirate?
SinBin	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Arboc So 3rd Front are now pirates... Shame, looks like JQA are the only anti-pirate alliance in Syndicate now. & before you jump on your high horse clipped, do not even try to say that you are not pirates, just look who your bed fellows are.. Clan Killers, Geeklab, Armoured Assasins, Supremacy, ect... What a shame I just set supreme to -5 & was gonna help out, its a shame what 3rd front say about JQA pirating is true, This Arboc & Chris reed have worked with Mafia's infi attacking me & other ratters in a-z. Still Supreme are attacking nautrals & using crap exucuses so gonna be just as bad probbly worse & there claiming all Synd according to The Enslaver, i think 3rd front setting them +5 is a bit lame way not nautral also ?. _______________________________________ Ill shutup the day CCP remove bookmarks
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.01.28 13:59:00 - [120] Originally by: Chris Reed I can with just a few minutes searching find both convoes and public posts where you claim that you are not interested in settling in JQA space, yet now you have suddently changed your mind... Chris, doubtless other people will ask this if they haven't already while i was typing, but as Ens says, could you please post the links in your above post that show SUPRM promising/making an agreement never to settle in JQA space. Originally by: olyyy Ah and and I forgot: the xCA propaganda machine with Spurm or whatever alts posting with "I'm a JQA member and I'm scared for my own safety coz I'm gonna say a lot of crap!" doesn't work with me o.- I've looked over who's posted in the thread without corp tags and of the 11 who've done so, 4 are JQA, 3 are neutrals and 4 are actually noob alts. Unless you're implying that some/all of the JQA members posting in this thread are alts of SUPRM or allies? Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
DeviLee	Posted - 2005.01.28 14:01:00 - [121] Edited by: DeviLee on 28/01/2005 14:01:16 Why is everyone still posting here? You trying to talk us out of your systems JQA? I also don't know why some of our people are trying to talk you out of your safespots. You either do or you don't. Now either come out and fight with "vengeance and determination and holy light + jesus + mary + 3 little piggies" or STFU. I haven't seen a fleet of BS from your side in a week yet the less you put out on the battlefield the more you speak of revenege and our downfall... pls stop the bull$hit and start making your words are reality. My words are my own and do not represent the views of my corp.
Hyey	Posted - 2005.01.28 14:34:00 - [122] Originally by: DeviLee Edited by: DeviLee on 28/01/2005 14:01:16 Why is everyone still posting here? You trying to talk us out of your systems JQA? I also don't know why some of our people are trying to talk you out of your safespots. You either do or you don't. Now either come out and fight with "vengeance and determination and holy light + jesus + mary + 3 little piggies" or STFU. I haven't seen a fleet of BS from your side in a week yet the less you put out on the battlefield the more you speak of revenege and our downfall... pls stop the bull$hit and start making your words are reality. Well, he summed up what I was going to say quiet nicely... time to put up or shut up ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.28 14:50:00 - [123] Conquerer != Pirates I asume i dont have to explain the diferences do i? Or do you set soldiers and murderer also at same level? _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
The Chef	Posted - 2005.01.28 14:52:00 - [124] 50 dead Frigates is worth one dead Battleship. As you are well awear, we (JQA) can not fight "toe to toe" with you in a large fleet battle. To do so would stupid, and I would rather keep my battleships for something more useful. AFAIK, Ifni is DNA, not CK. ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
DeviLee	Posted - 2005.01.28 15:06:00 - [125] Originally by: The Chef 50 dead Frigates is worth one dead Battleship. As you are well awear, we (JQA) can not fight "toe to toe" with you in a large fleet battle. To do so would stupid, and I would rather keep my battleships for something more useful. AFAIK, Ifni is DNA, not CK. Useful?!!! It's your home, your sweet cradle that was invaded by foreign hordes who started raping your men and eating your babies feet. The horrible pirates from down south who can't read or write or speak in long sentences. "We will be defending our home with everything we got..." well it seems you've got battleships then roll these suckers out the docking bay. Or are you scared that as soon as you put out in space something larger than a kestrel it will get eaten and skinned in 2 seconds? Stop the charade and either step up or check out. My words are my own and do not represent the views of my corp.
Luriana	Posted - 2005.01.28 15:16:00 - [126] Getting tired of fighting ghosts and shades are we? PvP isnt so fun when the enemy only fight on their terms dont you think? Vietnam any one? Luriana *alt exrodinaire
DeviLee	Posted - 2005.01.28 15:20:00 - [127] Oh good another briliant tactician apeared who is trying to say JQA = Vietnamese Army. Those were fighting, these aren't. I wouldn't be saying anything if we would be getting fights but a pod scouting the gate every 30 min and a shuttle instajumping through isn't guerilla you know. Stop saying like you are puting up a resistance. My words are my own and do not represent the views of my corp.
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:14:00 - [128] Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 28/01/2005 16:14:48 Originally by: DeviLee Originally by: The Chef 50 dead Frigates is worth one dead Battleship. As you are well awear, we (JQA) can not fight "toe to toe" with you in a large fleet battle. To do so would stupid, and I would rather keep my battleships for something more useful. AFAIK, Ifni is DNA, not CK. Useful?!!! It's your home, your sweet cradle that was invaded by foreign hordes who started raping your men and eating your babies feet. The horrible pirates from down south who can't read or write or speak in long sentences. "We will be defending our home with everything we got..." well it seems you've got battleships then roll these suckers out the docking bay. Or are you scared that as soon as you put out in space something larger than a kestrel it will get eaten and skinned in 2 seconds? Stop the charade and either step up or check out. LOL ... sounds like someone is desperate for a BS kill. We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) ... Still got 50 fitted and ready in my PERSONAL hangar, as said before were innit for the long run. You wanna invade us, sure, play it our way. -----------------------
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:20:00 - [129] Once i had the utmost respect for 3FA, when i met those guys on fanfest i really thought those were the type of guys which would stick with their friends through think and thin. Guess I was wrong.
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:22:00 - [130] Originally by: Martinus Crimson We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) LMFAO, get your numbers right please
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Bubbaloo Once i had the utmost respect for 3FA, when i met those guys on fanfest i really thought those were the type of guys which would stick with their friends through think and thin. Guess I was wrong. I could have respected thier decision if they would have warned us up front. Now most of JQA gets stabbed in the back because we have to read on the PUBLIC forum that our ally is no more our ally. However you look at it, that is something i consider "low". -----------------------
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:25:00 - [132] Originally by: Diemos Originally by: Martinus Crimson We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) LMFAO, get your numbers right please They are, but i allready knew some suprem would react this way to it, thats apparently your way of "fighting" ... but as you all claimed i local you all have billions in your wallet. So 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler and 5 cruisers shouldn't hurt too mutch for you guy's -----------------------
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:30:00 - [133] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Diemos Originally by: Martinus Crimson We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) LMFAO, get your numbers right please They are, but i allready knew some suprem would react this way to it, thats apparently your way of "fighting" ... but as you all claimed i local you all have billions in your wallet. So 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler and 5 cruisers shouldn't hurt too mutch for you guy's I dont think NPC BS's count as kills
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:31:00 - [134] Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 28/01/2005 16:31:48 Originally by: Diemos Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Diemos Originally by: Martinus Crimson We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) LMFAO, get your numbers right please They are, but i allready knew some suprem would react this way to it, thats apparently your way of "fighting" ... but as you all claimed i local you all have billions in your wallet. So 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler and 5 cruisers shouldn't hurt too mutch for you guy's I dont think NPC BS's count as kills C'mon go on .... make up more silly comments .. only less ppl end up believing you. -----------------------
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:34:00 - [135] 50 dead frigs may equal 1 bs loss but honestly you wont be killing any bs's from your safe, this is not flaming it is fact so please dont start with all that crap.
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:36:00 - [136] Originally by: CKieschnick 50 dead frigs may equal 1 bs loss but honestly you wont be killing any bs's from your safe, this is not flaming it is fact so please dont start with all that crap. Your absolutely right, then again, frigates are suited for hit and run actions, and not to camp a gate with. So yes we do sit at a safespot 80% of the time, all part of gameplay. -----------------------
Garrett Crowe	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:40:00 - [137] Hi Just want to say good lcuk CW and 3rd front alliance. think U did the right think for your self at this time. ppl change and them world with them. Ragon X-3fa core member.
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:43:00 - [138] So in the past 2 days JQA has killed 4 BS's with there Frigate Fleet and ive killed 10000 Bs in my Battlepod solo
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:47:00 - [139] youve also made claims you have infinite suplies in jqa space and frigs cost near next to nothing and if you are gettin bs kills then loot = more minerals, so why is you you do nothing but sit in a safe. you would think as your flying throw away ships you would atleast do something like meeby try to attack our blockade after all if you manage to kill 1 bs remember thoose 50 frigs were worth it? now please start doing something ;)
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:52:00 - [140] Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 28/01/2005 16:53:18 Originally by: CKieschnick youve also made claims you have infinite suplies in jqa space and frigs cost near next to nothing and if you are gettin bs kills then loot = more minerals, so why is you you do nothing but sit in a safe. you would think as your flying throw away ships you would atleast do something like meeby try to attack our blockade after all if you manage to kill 1 bs remember thoose 50 frigs were worth it? now please start doing something ;) We do, but even with frigs were not suicidal :) You may provoke me even more ... i like it -----------------------
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:53:00 - [141] Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:54:00 - [142] Originally by: Chris Reed While you have gained my respect for your general attitude and behaviour, you loose points at this one. I can with just a few minutes searching find both convoes and public posts where you claim that you are not interested in settling in JQA space, yet now you have suddently changed your mind... At that point, we had no intentions of doing so. We then had internal discussions and chose the area, nothing wrong with that - we made no agreements or promises to not do so. So I ask again, please make me aware of when we have broken any agreements, treaties, or promises? -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.28 16:55:00 - [143] Originally by: CKieschnick now please start doing something ;) Or what? You'll cry? ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:01:00 - [144] Originally by: Martinus Crimson LOL ... sounds like someone is desperate for a BS kill. We allready owned 4 BS 3 BC 1 Hauler 5 Cruisers And a ****load of smallstuff with our frigfleet in 2 day's. And we lost like 30 frig in total :) ... Names/kill mails of the 4 BS please or shhhhhh. As for your losses you may have only lossed frigs in your frig fleet buy you have lost solo BS to us to. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:03:00 - [145] Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? None, 2 VOTF 1 CK 1 Black Reign, I never stated they where Suprem ... I merely stated we took em down with out frig squad -----------------------
Hazrat Izza	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:08:00 - [146] when catch-22 alliance took over pc9 JQA helped you guys. When you needed help when CK jumped in and camped your home they came. You gust made a great fleet together so this is just a frigging backstabbing. 3rd front will prolly pay for this someday, JQA will finish them off or 3rd front will face a backstab from ex-CA..... have a nice day 3rd front YAWN
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? None, 2 VOTF 1 CK 1 Black Reign, I never stated they where Suprem ... I merely stated we took em down with out frig squad Where were the votf kills? Syndicate or OR? The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:15:00 - [148] Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? On a sidenote ... Suprem did lose another BS yesterday, Vacaburra lost a tempest, but he lost it to Battleships so hence i did not take that into my count -----------------------
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:15:00 - [149] Originally by: CKOZUK Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? None, 2 VOTF 1 CK 1 Black Reign, I never stated they where Suprem ... I merely stated we took em down with out frig squad Where were the votf kills? Syndicate or OR? All those 4 where made in Either VV or M2 -----------------------
CKieschnick	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:17:00 - [150] hmmm doubt it was a ck bs but humor me name and system you got him in please? think i feel a tear coming on beringe =(
Val Amon	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:29:00 - [151] AH Crap, less targets who thought up this. Val Amon opinions are her own and in no way reflect the feelings or ideas of Black Omega Security. _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better.
Luriana	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:38:00 - [152] For the record I'm not JQA. Nor am I Supremacy, nor any other of the parties involved, yet I choose to remain annonymous on these public boards. I am astute enough to see Supremacy complaining about frigate fleets and not being able to hit them, hence by last post above. Thank you again for proving that people are easy to jump to conclusions when faced with the unknown. I thank you you applause is greatfully recieved. Good Luck JQA, I always like to see the under dogs triumph. Luriana
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.28 17:41:00 - [153] Originally by: Luriana For the record I'm not JQA. Nor am I Supremacy, nor any other of the parties involved, yet I choose to remain annonymous on these public boards. I am astute enough to see Supremacy complaining about frigate fleets and not being able to hit them, hence by last post above. Thank you again for proving that people are easy to jump to conclusions when faced with the unknown. I thank you you applause is greatfully recieved. Good Luck JQA, I always like to see the under dogs triumph. Luriana I only see 1 pilot complaining about not having BS to kill so I wouldn't count that as SUPRM. I would have said its a SUPRM pilot. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.28 18:05:00 - [154] Originally by: olyyy Edited by: olyyy on 28/01/2005 14:17:04 Edited by: olyyy on 28/01/2005 14:15:03 Although we regret the choice made by 3rd Front Alliance, the Xetic Federation respects it. Concerning the JQA conflict, the Xetic Federation will continue to assist the JQA against Imperium and co. As long as I'll be MoD the XF will reject all negociations with Imperium and friends until they leave JQA space. Please note that leaving JQA space to invade 3rd Front Alliance Space won't be considered as a move permitting the opening of negociations. Ah and and I forgot: the xCA propaganda machine with Spurm or whatever alts posting with "I'm a 3FA member and I'm scared for my own safety coz I'm gonna say a lot of crap!" doesn't work with me o.- edit: my eyes get tired when reading 6 pages of flames There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. Reverend Necrona
Frankinator	Posted - 2005.01.28 18:06:00 - [155] About time tbh.
Ifni	Posted - 2005.01.28 18:12:00 - [156] Originally by: Arboc ....Untied we stand in the face of evil... UNTIED WE STAND Nice typo. -
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.28 18:23:00 - [157] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? On a sidenote ... Suprem did lose another BS yesterday, Vacaburra lost a tempest, but he lost it to Battleships so hence i did not take that into my count But that wasnt your friggie squad it was 2vs1 in OMFG Battleships
Val Amon	Posted - 2005.01.28 19:11:00 - [158] In response to Luriana, I don't think anyone is complaining about the frigate fleets just mearlly pointing out that anything larger usualy dies. The frig fleets tend to bring a gaming dilema with the smartbombing bs, since the smartbombing bs can whipe out entire frig fleets in seconds if we choose to strangle the territory we would begin to employ the smartbombing bs's at the gates and stations. We are gamers first and conquerers second so I personnally will not use techniques that deny the enemy a chance of escape or deny them a good time. _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better.
General Killah	Posted - 2005.01.28 20:25:00 - [159] Finally, this has been needing to happen, I regard the 3FA guys as good guys while JQA has been turning into powerhungry pirates for a long time. --------------------------------- You didn't think Rome ever REALLY fell did you?
Kristoffer	Posted - 2005.01.28 20:49:00 - [160] I find it funny how fast JQA have become the bad guys. People must be blind.
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2005.01.28 20:49:00 - [161] Originally by: Wicke Edited by: Wicke on 27/01/2005 23:15:42 I have lost all my respect for the 3FA. After SUPRM leaves I dont see anyway we can treat you anything more then neutral at best. what makes you think there going to be leaving? as far as im aware they have designs on your systems.
olyyy	Posted - 2005.01.28 20:59:00 - [162] Originally by: Reverend Necrona There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. So you're not happy to play with us ? ;.; Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.28 21:22:00 - [163] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: Reverend Necrona There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. So you're not happy to play with us ? ;.; I think it's for the best to keep you guessing Ol ;). As long as the affairs of others are more important than your own, you'll be very busy people :P
laserc	Posted - 2005.01.28 21:29:00 - [164] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: The Enslaver Martinus - names of the SUPRM BS pilots that got killed please? None, 2 VOTF 1 CK 1 Black Reign, I never stated they where Suprem ... I merely stated we took em down with out frig squad You still havn't said their names
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2005.01.28 21:33:00 - [165] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: Reverend Necrona There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. So you're not happy to play with us ? ;.; errrm the last time your lot came to play,didnt they abandon 3fa and JQA to die by not jumping in. XETIC through and through,talk tough,fight like girls.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.01.28 21:47:00 - [166] ^^ doh wrong character.
Angy Test	Posted - 2005.01.28 21:47:00 - [167] Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 Originally by: olyyy Originally by: Reverend Necrona There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. So you're not happy to play with us ? ;.; errrm the last time your lot came to play,didnt they abandon 3fa and JQA to die by not jumping in. XETIC through and through,talk tough,fight like girls. Please don't bother adding your comments if you cannot even be bothered to read the thread properly. Go back to the Clipped Wings' first post and please read it in it's entirety before attempting to shift the topic and start flaming others.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.28 22:02:00 - [168] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: Reverend Necrona There will be no resolution with XETIC, no peace offers, no NAP's nothing. XETIC are in our sh1t list for good now. You're pathetic fleet operations that abandoned 3FA and JQA mid battle is strong showing as to why you shall never have our respect. So you're not happy to play with us ? ;.; OH NO ON THE CONTOARY I LOVE GOING ALL THE WAY TO YULAI TO GET A FIGHT OUT OF YOU B/C YOU FAIL TO DEFEND YOU'RE OWN CLAIMED SYSTEMS. Reverend Necrona
olyyy	Posted - 2005.01.28 22:10:00 - [169] WRITE BIGGER PLEASE I CAN'T READ YOU ºº!! Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Lacrimae	Posted - 2005.01.28 22:29:00 - [170] Edited by: Lacrimae on 28/01/2005 22:32:36 Ok, I will break my silence just to point out a few things and ask for one favour: 1. We do not view JQA as bad guys, we simply have too different ideals now to work together. 2. The decision was made with the mind on what was best for 3rd Front, not JQA. We are not JQA; we do not want to control JQA and their decisions. We are 3rd Front and wishes to remain that way. 3. We did this the way we did (i.e. not telling anyone anything before it went official) for one simple reason. We did not want the rumour mill to start. Apart from that, this was only decided less than two hours before Clipped's post was made. 4. Supremacy, Black Omega Security and Black Reign are on +5.1 to avoid incidents where our few pilots, who have yet to recieve the news due to unknown circumstances, will think twice before shooting them down due to the blue marking. We have never shot on JQA, hence why we do not need the +5.1 standings with them. 5. If people intend to flame each other, I would ask you respectfully to please do it in another thread. I am afraid to say it, but the 'we kill more ships than you do' comments is completely irrelevant to this thread. We do not mind comments on what happened or our reasons to do so, but this flaming is pointless and off the topic of the thread. /Lacrimae CEO of LFC ~-.¦~~O~~`.-~ Dead Stars Still Burn
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.01.28 23:08:00 - [171] Originally by: Monkiboy Despite the antagonisms on both sides, the Supremacy guys still have the utmost respect for the fighting ability and dedication that is evidenced everyday by the JQA fighters. We see great potential in many of the JQA corps as a fighting force to be reckoned with. We definitely do like some more than others, some of your interceptor pilots are truly top notch in 1 on 1's and you have the most dedicated force I think we've ever fought. It has been an honour to fight each and every one of you. Thank you Monkiboy. If there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that JQA is trying its best against a force that definitely knows how to fight. Originally by: Monkiboy We hope that in the time since then, cooler heads have prevailed and something can be worked out to avert further bloodshed. We sincerely believe that it is possible for both parties to reach an outcome that is a win-win for us both. And here is where things start to get a little more muddied. Personally I see the main stumbling block being a simple lack of trust on the part of JQA towards SUPRM and friends. This mistrust has been fostered primarily because you have been seen to be repeatedly changing your minds on exactly why you are here, and your actions upon your arrival. So far I have heard the following: 1. xCA (as you were collectively known as at the time) felt it was time to "remove all carebears from 0.0". 2. You were paid to attack JQA by a third party, and you left after the twin VV battles in the New Year because your mission was deemed to have been accomplished, which is in conflict with point 1. 3. JQA was merely a training exercise of your own devising, before moving on to bigger things in Outer Ring and beyond, which is in conflict with point 2. 4. JQA was attacked because we initiated the hostilities, which is in conflict with points 2 and 3. 5. JQA was attacked because your sworn enemies in Xetic were fighting alongside us, despite the fact that they were not present in VV during the first battle, which rules out their involvement from being a possible reason behind your initial attack, as well as being in conflict with points 2 and 3. 6. xCA allied themselves with known pirate corporations such as Clankillers, Armoured Assassins, Warmongers and others, all of which are pre-existing enemies of JQA for obvious reasons. 7. Accusations of premeditated convo-tactics are directed at JQA, and while one unrelated case is proven to be true, it is also highlighted by one of your own how accidental convo requests can easily come about. 8. Many of you have returned to fight JQA to take over its territory because Outer Ring "sucks", which is in conflict with both points 2 and 3. 9. An offer of peace was made while continuing to fight us, because that's your style, you "war all the time", you play for BS kills and you're about to take the #1 spot on a third party killboard site. This point defeats itself. 10. One xCA member has been recently quoted as saying that you were happy with Outer Ring, while I personally have a chatlog of M2-CF1 local (which is next door to VV in lower Syndicate) taken during the first VV battle where another is very excited to have arrived in his "new home". This point not only defeats itself, but is also in conflict with points 2, 3 and 8. 11. Claims are made that JQA members are leaving the area in numbers greater than that of the actual total population of the alliance, while at the same time fighting continues. 12. Imperium is formed, but whose membership does not include the full force currently deployed against JQA. SUPRM is listed as being allied with IMP, a curious position for a corp whose members regard all alliances with disdain for their tendency to "attract dead weight". With so many conflicting points, I can draw two conclusions. Either you have had a master plan all this time and stuck to it - in which case at least some of what has been said so far have been out-and-out lies, or you're changing your minds as you go along to suit yourselves. Either way, how can JQA then be expected to trust any offer of peace between the two sides with a track record such as the one above having been outlined thus far? Would it not be fair for us to see any such offer as being either a total lie, or only the "current" truth, which could so easily be changed yet again? In any case, it seems 3rd Front have made their decision, which is what this thread was all about to begin with, anyway. In a perhaps futile attempt to keep things on topic, I will reiterate my respect for having made their decision, and I wish them well, for their sake. /Ben
olyyy	Posted - 2005.01.28 23:42:00 - [172] Originally by: Monkiboy I think it's for the best to keep you guessing Ol ;). As long as the affairs of others are more important than your own, you'll be very busy people :P It's the problem of the given word. Once started, there is no going back. Although the decision to help the JQA is from my predecessor (that you know very well ) I'm going to respect this choice and I'll use every mean possible to succeed. btw, did u tell Reverand necrona that you were xetic ? Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.28 23:47:00 - [173] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: Monkiboy I think it's for the best to keep you guessing Ol ;). As long as the affairs of others are more important than your own, you'll be very busy people :P It's the problem of the given word. Once started, there is no going back. Although the decision to help the JQA is from my predecessor (that you know very well ) I'm going to respect this choice and I'll use every mean possible to succeed. btw, did u tell Reverand necrona that you were xetic ? Yes. We took appropriate action, firstly we denied him all access of banana's for 72 hour's along with a tape recording of the sound of mining lasers. After the 72 hour period and much screaming, we allowed him a banana's. Several hours afterwards we dangled a bistot asteroid infront of him. The resulting lack of plaster on the wall left us quite satisified with the treatment. Reverend Necrona
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.28 23:51:00 - [174] Ben, some of the things you've said here- were things that I said to you that I felt, personally- without being the feelings of my corp, and I mentioned this at the time, and others are things that seem to be interpretations of things that I said- without really understanding what I was saying. There is a recurring point that appears in your previous post there is some grand master plan, as though we're making up bs as we go to hide a bigger ulteria motive. This isnt the case. The fact of the matter is, there are probably 2000+ people in Imperium, or friends with Imperium, each hears different things and has different views. Basing what an alliance's intent is on what their members say in local is not reliable. Additionally, things change in this galaxy, motivations change, needs change. Things that we said in the New Year, were true at the time, but become irrelevant or dated over time. They were no less true at the time, but in hindsight might not have been the best decision- so we adjusted our goals. We made no promises in January to JQA anyway, in fact the only promises we ever made you, you tossed away- so I dont understand what the problem is. Considering how little we've actually said to your organization, you seem intent on trying to twist what we have said- I can only wonder what your intent is at this point. That's your right, but I dont agree with your tactics, and it doesnt help things between us. Even if there was a simple explanation for why we are here, I doubt very much that you would like it, accept it, or even believe it- so why bother? seriously. You'd just counter post trying to tear it apart, still doesnt change the fact that we're destroying your navy- when they undock or leave SS. Arguing on the forums wont change it. At the end of the day, my corp, and our friends dont answer to you. If you want peace and are willing to work together, we'll do that. If you're just going to call us pirates and try and demean us, dont waste our time. Monkiboy Supremacy Communications Director
olyyy	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:00:00 - [175] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Yes. We took appropriate action, firstly we denied him all access of banana's for 72 hour's along with a tape recording of the sound of mining lasers. After the 72 hour period and much screaming, we allowed him a banana's. Several hours afterwards we dangled a bistot asteroid infront of him. The resulting lack of plaster on the wall left us quite satisified with the treatment. That would deserve concord billboard for Crimes against humanity Free the bananas ! Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:01:00 - [176] Ok.. 3fa claim to be anti pirate, but have set the some of the most infamous pirate corps in the game to good standing.. anyone else see a little inconsistancy here?
Slarty Bardfast	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:04:00 - [177] Originally by: Luther Kincaid Ok.. 3fa claim to be anti pirate, but have set the some of the most infamous pirate corps in the game to good standing.. anyone else see a little inconsistancy here? Yes, some JQA seem to be able to understand that because you are being attacked your enemies are not pirates. Great inconsistancy. Not that we havn't had this debate before, but anyway..... Supremacy are not pirates, you are not poor innocent victims. If you cannot cope with being attacked without yelling "omg buhu pirate!" then leave 0.0 and play in the CONCORD sandbox.
Karmae	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:12:00 - [178] Originally by: PASTOR TROY Eh, I have seen this story somewhere before..hmmm where was it? Oh yeah I remember ..It was in the north. Except with diffrent characters... Hmm let me guess Supremecy = Bob, That means JQA = PA, then that makes 3rd front=N.S.A/fade union. So that means 3rd front goes nuetral(check).. Supremecy and allies concentrates on JQA(check). Once JQA is defeated or almost defeated. Supremecy start using their pirate friends to start harassing 3rd front. Then Supremecy makes up excuse(plotting attack, lost frigate, etc..) to attack 3rd front. Supremecy wins.. Hmm history repeats itself. Not quite how things happened up north, if 3FA had almost immediately became hostile to JQA and Supremacy and allies selectively attacked 3FA then it would be in the same ballpark. There is parallels to be drawn, and it's not that far off the mark overall.
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:33:00 - [179] Originally by: Slarty Bardfast Originally by: Luther Kincaid Ok.. 3fa claim to be anti pirate, but have set the some of the most infamous pirate corps in the game to good standing.. anyone else see a little inconsistancy here? Yes, some JQA seem to be able to understand that because you are being attacked your enemies are not pirates. Great inconsistancy. Not that we havn't had this debate before, but anyway..... Supremacy are not pirates, you are not poor innocent victims. If you cannot cope with being attacked without yelling "omg buhu pirate!" then leave 0.0 and play in the CONCORD sandbox. errr.... try lowering your horse before jumping on it :P I'm not whining at all, merely making an observation.. don't like? tough, it's a hard world
PSA1SWIPE	Posted - 2005.01.29 00:46:00 - [180] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Monkiboy Despite the antagonisms on both sides, the Supremacy guys still have the utmost respect for the fighting ability and dedication that is evidenced everyday by the JQA fighters. We see great potential in many of the JQA corps as a fighting force to be reckoned with. We definitely do like some more than others, some of your interceptor pilots are truly top notch in 1 on 1's and you have the most dedicated force I think we've ever fought. It has been an honour to fight each and every one of you. Thank you Monkiboy. If there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that JQA is trying its best against a force that definitely knows how to fight. Originally by: Monkiboy We hope that in the time since then, cooler heads have prevailed and something can be worked out to avert further bloodshed. We sincerely believe that it is possible for both parties to reach an outcome that is a win-win for us both. And here is where things start to get a little more muddied. Personally I see the main stumbling block being a simple lack of trust on the part of JQA towards SUPRM and friends. This mistrust has been fostered primarily because you have been seen to be repeatedly changing your minds on exactly why you are here, and your actions upon your arrival. So far I have heard the following: 1. xCA (as you were collectively known as at the time) felt it was time to "remove all carebears from 0.0". 2. You were paid to attack JQA by a third party, and you left after the twin VV battles in the New Year because your mission was deemed to have been accomplished, which is in conflict with point 1. 3. JQA was merely a training exercise of your own devising, before moving on to bigger things in Outer Ring and beyond, which is in conflict with point 2. 4. JQA was attacked because we initiated the hostilities, which is in conflict with points 2 and 3. 5. JQA was attacked because your sworn enemies in Xetic were fighting alongside us, despite the fact that they were not present in VV during the first battle, which rules out their involvement from being a possible reason behind your initial attack, as well as being in conflict with points 2 and 3. 6. xCA allied themselves with known pirate corporations such as Clankillers, Armoured Assassins, Warmongers and others, all of which are pre-existing enemies of JQA for obvious reasons. 7. Accusations of premeditated convo-tactics are directed at JQA, and while one unrelated case is proven to be true, it is also highlighted by one of your own how accidental convo requests can easily come about. 8. Many of you have returned to fight JQA to take over its territory because Outer Ring "sucks", which is in conflict with both points 2 and 3. 9. An offer of peace was made while continuing to fight us, because that's your style, you "war all the time", you play for BS kills and you're about to take the #1 spot on a third party killboard site. This point defeats itself. 10. One xCA member has been recently quoted as saying that you were happy with Outer Ring, while I personally have a chatlog of M2-CF1 local (which is next door to VV in lower Syndicate) taken during the first VV battle where another is very excited to have arrived in his "new home". This point not only defeats itself, but is also in conflict with points 2, 3 and 8. 11. Claims are made that JQA members are leaving the area in numbers greater than that of the actual total population of the alliance, while at the same time fighting continues. 12. Imperium is formed, but whose membership does not include the full force currently deployed against JQA. SUPRM is listed as being allied with IMP, a curious position for a corp whose members regard all alliances with disdain for their tendency to "attract dead weight". With so many conflicting points, I can draw two conclusions. Either you have had a master plan all this time and stuck to it - in which case at least some of what has been said so far have been out-and-out lies, or you're changing your minds as you go along to suit yourselves. Either way, how can JQA then be expected to trust any offer of peace between the two sides with a track record such as the one above having been outlined thus far? Would it not be fair for us to see any such offer as being either a total lie, or only the "current" truth, which could so easily be changed yet again? In any case, it seems 3rd Front have made their decision, which is what this thread was all about to begin with, anyway. In a perhaps futile attempt to keep things on topic, I will reiterate my respect for having made their decision, and I wish them well, for their sake. /Ben Hey its a game smoke bud mon and have fun its only a game calm down relax RWAR ME EAT ALL RWAR
Fangdango	Posted - 2005.01.29 01:19:00 - [181] Loka Gallente Supremacy Posted - 2005.01.28 14:50:00 - Quote Conquerer != Pirates I asume i dont have to explain the diferences do i? Or do you set soldiers and murderer also at same level? Outstanding LOKA! :) AGAIN (tonite) we have just outclassed , outgunned and outthought JQA , for those that were there u know how funny and well executed that was
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.29 01:21:00 - [182] Originally by: Fangdango Loka Gallente Supremacy Posted - 2005.01.28 14:50:00 - Quote Conquerer != Pirates I asume i dont have to explain the diferences do i? Or do you set soldiers and murderer also at same level? Outstanding LOKA! :) AGAIN (tonite) we have just outclassed , outgunned and outthought JQA , for those that were there u know how funny and well executed that was "BOOO" heh. Reverend Necrona
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.01.29 01:23:00 - [183] Originally by: Monkiboy Ben, some of the things you've said here- were things that I said to you that I felt, personally- without being the feelings of my corp, and I mentioned this at the time, and others are things that seem to be interpretations of things that I said- without really understanding what I was saying. Indeed you were clear that you were speaking for yourself when we discussed other issues such as what your intentions would be following an assumed victory over JQA, as well as the nature of a hypothetical co-existence between SUPRM and JQA, and as such I will not discuss those issues here. I will apologise if you in fact meant that the entirety of your side of our discussion was meant as a personal view only, but if an appointed diplomatic representative does not ever speak for those he represents during discussions of that nature, then when does he? Originally by: Monkiboy Basing what an alliance's intent is on what their members say in local is not reliable. Are you sure? He did seem pretty excited. Originally by: Monkiboy Additionally, things change in this galaxy, motivations change, needs change. Things that we said in the New Year, were true at the time, but become irrelevant or dated over time. They were no less true at the time, but in hindsight might not have been the best decision- so we adjusted our goals. This I can completely understand. I personally believed that this was the more likely of the two conclusions I reached in my previous post, and I'm glad to see that this is indeed the case. However, it still doesn't answer the question I have asked since your original offer was put to us, rather, it instead warrants another airing: how can we be expected to trust the validity of any peace offer you would make to us, especially now that it's been clarified that "things can change"? Originally by: Monkiboy We made no promises in January to JQA anyway, in fact the only promises we ever made you, you tossed away- so I dont understand what the problem is. Please explain. You made no promise, then you made promises? Or do you mean that the "promises" you made weren't in fact promises after all? Originally by: Monkiboy Considering how little we've actually said to your organization, you seem intent on trying to twist what we have said- I can only wonder what your intent is at this point. How little you've said? Does this or does this not include the repeat of your offer to every individual corporation in JQA in a futile attempt to sow disharmony within the alliance? In addition, may I point out that every single thread on these forums relating to this entire issue has been started by your side, with the exception of this one. Originally by: Monkiboy Even if there was a simple explanation for why we are here, I doubt very much that you would like it, accept it, or even believe it- so why bother? seriously. You'd just counter post trying to tear it apart, That is what this section of Galnet is here for, is it not? I do actually believe you when you say you want peace at this time. And believe me when I say a good part of me desires peace as well. My concern - and that of the alliance - is simply what would happen to us in the future, when "things change" again? /Ben
Fangdango	Posted - 2005.01.29 02:27:00 - [184]
Wicke	Posted - 2005.01.29 02:59:00 - [185] Well, I suggest Monki and Ben figure the rest out. The two seem to get along well. This is my last post during this conflict. Sig Broken but its uber. -.-
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.29 04:30:00 - [186] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Fangdango Loka Gallente Supremacy Posted - 2005.01.28 14:50:00 - Quote Conquerer != Pirates I asume i dont have to explain the diferences do i? Or do you set soldiers and murderer also at same level? Outstanding LOKA! :) AGAIN (tonite) we have just outclassed , outgunned and outthought JQA , for those that were there u know how funny and well executed that was "BOOO" heh. O thats never good when you get a BOO from suprm... I can only imagine what happened lol
Angelkiss	Posted - 2005.01.29 05:05:00 - [187] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Chris Reed While you have gained my respect for your general attitude and behaviour, you loose points at this one. I can with just a few minutes searching find both convoes and public posts where you claim that you are not interested in settling in JQA space, yet now you have suddently changed your mind... At that point, we had no intentions of doing so. We then had internal discussions and chose the area, nothing wrong with that - we made no agreements or promises to not do so. So I ask again, please make me aware of when we have broken any agreements, treaties, or promises? OMFG!! See!! I told you! Take a good look at this thread 3FA. What did I say? EXACTLY THIS! xCA WILL turn on you. And it seems that according to Monkiboy unless he full of S*** (I won't say that he is because I don't know him.), apparently the goals that the pilots see and the goals that the command have are 2 very different things. Hmm.... As for "put up or shut up", you have shown that you don't have a shred of honor so why should we fight the big "honorable" you say you want. No, we will fight you on our terms. If that means boring you to death we will. We don't smacktalk about how we "owned" anyone. You asked for proof, we gave it to you. We don't care whether you call us wussies or not. Those that have tasted our tenacity know the truth. Smacktalk will do you no good here. We will stay and harrass you everyday that you are within JQA space. Not when you're all built up and "aggro like" and ready for a fight, but when your mining resources to build ships or running precious mins from point A to B. You will feel our sting... Frigate fleet = chicken? or losing? If my EVE storyline history serves me right, the Caldari won their independence with frigates. We will defend our independence the same. We are not here for you to have fun and BS Kill bragging rights. We are here to play a game that we enjoy. For some of us, you have disrupted that. For others, you are giving us the fight we want. Either way if you are just here for the fight and "glory" of PvP, why not lay claim somewhere else and come fight us from there? Don't feed us BS about the tactical situation. We all know that the kill you want on your kill-list is JQA. You just want to smash our alliance. Makes me wonder if NORAD is really dead or are they fighting you the same as us and here you are talking smack about how you "destroyed" them.
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.01.29 06:20:00 - [188] Since it appears to be all the trend to use this thread for various "assessments" of the situation between JQA and Supremacy, and not what the thread was created about, I figured I'd just poke my head in with one simple request: People, please go make a seperate thread to troll and/or discuss your matters in. This thread is NOT about each side's opinions on who killed what. You wanna troll, go make your own thread, and leave this one alone, thanks. That is all. -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Lallante	Posted - 2005.01.29 09:04:00 - [189] Ive just read the first post in this thread for the first time. Damn CW, you know how to write! That was truly moving, and really carried across the mental struggle you have fought with. You made the right choice. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.29 11:28:00 - [190] Originally by: Lallante Ive just read the first post in this thread for the first time. Damn CW, you know how to write! That was truly moving, and really carried across the mental struggle you have fought with. You made the right choice. Clipped just has a big thumb, and as long as he keeps sucking on it he'll write touchy feely story's. Don't worry tho, i'll personally remove his thumb the next time he tries to suck something out of it. -----------------------
Skape Gote	Posted - 2005.01.29 12:02:00 - [191] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Lallante Ive just read the first post in this thread for the first time. Damn CW, you know how to write! That was truly moving, and really carried across the mental struggle you have fought with. You made the right choice. Clipped just has a big thumb, and as long as he keeps sucking on it he'll write touchy feely story's. Don't worry tho, i'll personally remove his thumb the next time he tries to suck something out of it. The only thing that sucks around here are frig flying noobs JQA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Ifni	Posted - 2005.01.29 12:10:00 - [192] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Clipped just has a big thumb, and as long as he keeps sucking on it he'll write touchy feely story's. Don't worry tho, i'll personally remove his thumb the next time he tries to suck something out of it. Have you not noticed that you are simply proving 3fa's decision correct? All jqa has done is flame and declare them as backstabbers. They haven't actually said they will shoot you, they just want to be neutral. And from what I've heard, jqa was trying to get a group together to preemptively strike at 3fa once they heard of 3fa's decision. If anyone is going to backstab it would be jqa. You say you were friends, back in the day. Can you not allow 3fa to make their decision and live with it? They are not jqa lackeys, as most of jqa appear to think and by choosing what is best for their alliance they have taken a tough path. Their own consciences will be gnawing at them even after the flames from your posts have died. Neither can 3fa soak up losses like jqa can. The best ore they have had is dark ochre, unlike jqa which has copious systems with many crokite belts in. As such they are not as rich as jqa and cannot be held accountable on the same scale. Don't forgt that they did help whilst they could, but the final blow was a mix of defeat and betrayal at jqa/xetic hands. They have made their beds, and they are lying in them. At least keep things in perspective and realise that they have merely done as you have; what was deemed best to keep their alliance together. -
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.29 13:12:00 - [193] Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield.
Skape Gote	Posted - 2005.01.29 13:22:00 - [194] Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.29 13:37:00 - [195] Getting frustrated? Not enough BS around and having to chase shadows all night?? aaawww........ We are at home my friend, we have some unwanted guests still, but were working on that problem in our own way.
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.01.29 13:38:00 - [196] Oh and please give the thread the respect it deserves. As it managed to get back on topic please don't turn it into another Supremacy 'we have bigger ones than you' competition.
Sabadagus	Posted - 2005.01.29 13:47:00 - [197] Folding might be a good short term solution for 3rd front that I dont hold agains Clipped. If they dont have the stamina to continue, this is an understandable decission to save theyre aliance form destruction. So, no hard feeling from me about that. But.... That needless crap you put in that post Clipped, to justify your decission. You know better, but needlessly slander JQA in your post, trying to do as much damage to our reputation as an anty-pirate alliance as possible. Now, that is a stabb in the back. Trying to make JQA, your trusted allie for all this time,look bad as you pull put of the fight. To much untrue slander in that post of yours Clipped, for my taste. Sabadagus
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.29 14:01:00 - [198] Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? Put your hands together for Skape Gote, You just made the most usefull post of any Supremacy in this thread. Way tha go dude. U JUST GOT FLAMED ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH -----------------------
Skape Gote	Posted - 2005.01.29 14:49:00 - [199] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? Put your hands together for Skape Gote, You just made the most usefull post of any Supremacy in this thread. Way tha go dude. U JUST GOT FLAMED ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Errr Ok love.......... Wtf is he on about? Anyway we might not be seeing you on the battlefield much but who cares, we know where your safespots are :D Was to funny last night, lets see who laughs last shall we? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:04:00 - [200] Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? Put your hands together for Skape Gote, You just made the most usefull post of any Supremacy in this thread. Way tha go dude. U JUST GOT FLAMED ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Errr Ok love.......... Wtf is he on about? Anyway we might not be seeing you on the battlefield much but who cares, we know where your safespots are :D Was to funny last night, lets see who laughs last shall we? Indeed was very interesting last night, we ownd a ferox and scorpion and didn't say a word on local. You guy's do some good systemscanning and lay a trap where you manage to kill 10 frigate. and the next 2 hours you keep on smacking on local about how good you all are and stuff. c'mon ... tbh .. i LMAO'd for the rest of the night. You guy's must be soo desprerate if you thinked you owned us after killing 10 of our frigs. Anyway nice job on the 10 frigs. Apears you all where very happy with it. FACT is that the score at the end of the night was : JQA lost : 23 Frigates 1 Cruiser Suprem lost : 1 Scorpion 2 BC 4 frigs 1 Cruiser -----------------------
Skape Gote	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:26:00 - [201] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? Put your hands together for Skape Gote, You just made the most usefull post of any Supremacy in this thread. Way tha go dude. U JUST GOT FLAMED ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Errr Ok love.......... Wtf is he on about? Anyway we might not be seeing you on the battlefield much but who cares, we know where your safespots are :D Was to funny last night, lets see who laughs last shall we? Indeed was very interesting last night, we ownd a ferox and scorpion and didn't say a word on local. You guy's do some good systemscanning and lay a trap where you manage to kill 10 frigate. and the next 2 hours you keep on smacking on local about how good you all are and stuff. c'mon ... tbh .. i LMAO'd for the rest of the night. You guy's must be soo desprerate if you thinked you owned us after killing 10 of our frigs. Anyway nice job on the 10 frigs. Apears you all where very happy with it. FACT is that the score at the end of the night was : JQA lost : 23 Frigates 1 Cruiser Suprem lost : 1 Scorpion 2 BC 4 frigs 1 Cruiser I think we owned you from what 100 odd (conservative estimate) battleships weve destroyed of yours. Id also say weve owned you cos you run around in frigs and we have locked down the systems were we live and you are the pirate presence in our home. Keep laughing sunshine, cos we are laughing at you louder, harder and longer. Xetic coming up to crash the node this weekend? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue......
Loka	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:32:00 - [202] I was the Ferox you ganked with 20+ frig/cruiser, yes. Nice one, but only because CCP allowed it to you. My loggs shows., that my ferox tanked your squad for 1:30 min in docking range of a station and wasnt able to dock. I call this luck, but still your kill. Bad luck for me. Btw i returned this favor in the same night i think. bNow to my personal views. Someone can claim regions, if he has the military possibilitys to defend it. You dont have. Your frigatesquads have killed probably more BS than your BS fleet, but frigatsquad is a option to attack, not defend space. Hence, you dont own xJQA space anymore. Supremacy and their allies are the official "owner" of this regions, as long as no one comes to prove them else. Hence, we arent the attacker anymore. Now we are the citizens of Syndicate and the defender, while you became the aggressor and defender. You cant defend your home with frigates, just annoy the defender. Frigates are used to inflict dmg to an enemy, not to safer your citizens and your home from a conquerer. If you cant defend your space, you are not the owner anymore. Owner isnt something given by someone. Its the name someone has, if he has the military power to hold a space against any other oposing force. If you think you can "bore us to death" how you stated it, i may remind you, that we started to call this piece of land our home. You can only bore someone, if you are the defender and he is only searching for something to kill. But we aiming for the goal to mine and hunt here. Our population programm already started, due to the fact, that the only and single threat you may give us is in vv-v with frig and cruisers. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:33:00 - [203] Guys(SPURM & JQA) enough of the ****ing contest make your own thread and respect the 3FA guys request. This is about them not SPURM and JQA The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:34:00 - [204] Edited by: Ichabod Crane on 29/01/2005 15:34:32 Quote: FACT is that the score at the end of the night was : JQA lost : 23 Frigates 1 Cruiser Suprem lost : 1 Scorpion 2 BC 4 frigs 1 Cruiser Kindly take your kill/loss reports to another thread please, this thread wasnt made to give a running commentary on the latest battle in your war. So please keep the posts relevant to the original 'discussion' or dont post at all.
Arboc	Posted - 2005.01.29 15:55:00 - [205] Edited by: Arboc on 29/01/2005 15:55:32 I'll keep it on topic for you.. These are the reasons JQA is pi$$ed with 3rd Front.. 1, You post a message in the joint JQA/3rd ops chanel 'You better read this thread' (the link was to the thread here) then you imidiatly leave the chanel. 2, You bad mouth JQA on this thread. See it's not the action that you took, it's the way that you went about it. 3rd Front will be crushed most probably by it's own hand. Not by JQA, but by their own actions. JQA will never aid in the defence of 3rd Front space again, and because of that, I will be very suprised if they survive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2005.01.29 16:54:00 - [206] Aside from stating our reasons for the course of action we took, we have done nothing to say ill of you. Any tarnishing of the JQA name, supposed or otherwise has come at the hand of your own members trolling this thread, making threats of reprisal, and labeling us as pirates and cowards for taking a diplomatic route out of a fight which would have destroyed us. I need not defend our given reasons, nor the way in which we presented them. What is done, is done; and I personally fear the response would have been the same whichever way we chose to present them. Again I say we have done what is best for our own people, for the survival of what we have fought so hard to protect both politically and militarily since the birth of our alliance. Of the future I will say only this; if the choices we made here will mean our eventual destruction by whatever cause related or unrelated to this then at least it will be by our own choices that we are destroyed.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.01.29 17:11:00 - [207] Originally by: Martinus Crimson JQA lost : 23 Frigates 1 Cruiser Suprem lost : 1 Scorpion 2 BC 4 frigs 1 Cruiser Add a geddon we killed in VV, and a dominix you lost in your deeper constellation, and that would seem closer to being accurate. Cookie? -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Lacrimae	Posted - 2005.01.29 17:57:00 - [208] I have done you the favor and created a thread for you. Please take the 'we kill more ships than you do' stuff in this thread. Thank you. ~-.¦~~O~~`.-~ Dead Stars Still Burn
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.29 18:18:00 - [209] To all the flaming nubs
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.01.29 18:22:00 - [210] Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 29/01/2005 23:16:34 Originally by: Diemos LINK REMOVED ON REQUEST] awwww isn't that sweet .. your mother took a picture of you while you where running .... -----------------------
Diemos	Posted - 2005.01.29 18:26:00 - [211] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Diemos To all the flaming nubs awwww isn't that sweet .. your mother took a picture of you while you where running .... At least she got my good side
Grondal	Posted - 2005.01.29 20:00:00 - [212] backstabbers. ___________________________ badalandabad
Aegis Osiris	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:12:00 - [213] Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 29/01/2005 21:12:30 Diemos, Thats a particularly offensive link. I have friends that work in Special Ed, and friends of the family that have children with Downs Syndrome. Doubtless, there are others who visit this forum that have family or friends affected by this. You want to smack about ingame stuff? Fine, thats part of the game, whether people like it or not. Keep your OOC/RL ignorance where it belongs...inside your head. It has no place here....at all. I'd suggest you delete that link. Any decent person would also apologize. Thats up to you, of course. I'd also ask the dev's to delete that link, its got no place here. And now, to avoid hijacking this thread further (too late, I'm sure), to 3FA: you chose your path. I wish you luck, as I feel you'll need it. Fly safe.
Klassac	Posted - 2005.01.29 21:32:00 - [214] I also find that link very offensive, having read other posts from yourself Deimos this has proven to me that you have major issues... i ask u to remove that link now plz and have a think about seeking proffesional help as this is a forum for a game and not somewhere your ill thought out infantile humour belongs..
TURBOman	Posted - 2005.01.30 00:14:00 - [215] WTF is with you guys ?! Not like he was pointing at you and laughing
Angy Test	Posted - 2005.01.30 01:01:00 - [216] Originally by: TURBOman WTF is with you guys ?! Not like he was pointing at you and laughing I dont believe that could be any further from the point, that image is offensive and should not have been posted in the first place.
LaWL	Posted - 2005.01.30 03:10:00 - [217] well i thought it was OMGROFLMAO! you people need to stop with the "omg that really affected me, im going to cry myself to sleep tonight" and grow a laugh. GG DEIMOS
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.01.30 14:25:00 - [218] Originally by: LaWL well i thought it was OMGROFLMAO! you people need to stop with the "omg that really affected me, im going to cry myself to sleep tonight" and grow a laugh. GG DEIMOS Maybe you need to grow up? Strange how rather than just simply apologise for posting a link that was not only offensive but no doubt in breach of the TOS and Forum Rules you guys just jump on the bandwagon and keep laughing? Is it any wonder people view your corp in bad light with your members posting this kinda stuff?
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.30 18:03:00 - [219] Should add this to your kill/losses post as well. http://www.siegedom.com/Files/Eve/EveHarpyPretty.jpg ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.30 18:12:00 - [220] Or maybe this one. http://www.siegedom.com/Files/Eve/Kills/Caro%20Eloran/1.jpg ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Mister Nabs	Posted - 2005.01.30 19:17:00 - [221] Well clipped we had a nice chat a while back and had a lot discussed that you now throw in our face. We even agreed on deviding Y9G and now you just turn your backs when the road gets though? xCa warned us a while back "your allies might not be as friendly as you think they are" Well we refused to believe that ... it's sad to see they where right. I think you do it to save your skin but in the end friends is what you need and not crockite or dark ochre. -= The Company senator =-
KrOsCo	Posted - 2005.01.30 21:06:00 - [222] Originally by: Mister Nabs I think you do it to save your skin Why is this a bad thing and not a smart thing? They realised the might of their enemy could not be handled, so they agreed a NAP. JQA seem to be flaming them for this on nearly every post in this thread. When it comes right down to it, this is a game, and maybe their idea of fun in the game isnt being schooled every night
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.01.31 01:00:00 - [223] Originally by: PSA1SWIPE Hey its a game smoke bud mon and have fun its only a game calm down relax Not in this forum it isn't. /Ben
The Chef	Posted - 2005.01.31 02:10:00 - [224] I'm sorry, I can only add new kill/losses to the JQA kill mail parser if you send me the kill mail via EVE. OFC, I will have to check each one first, so don't expect instant updates. My convo/mail charge is 0isk, so the only expense on your part is ISK. ==================================== EVEkill Visit our homepage
Mister Nabs	Posted - 2005.01.31 17:31:00 - [225] Originally by: KrOsCo Originally by: Mister Nabs I think you do it to save your skin Why is this a bad thing and not a smart thing? They realised the might of their enemy could not be handled, so they agreed a NAP. JQA seem to be flaming them for this on nearly every post in this thread. When it comes right down to it, this is a game, and maybe their idea of fun in the game isnt being schooled every night Can't see any flame in my post only diappointment. And if you need an alt to post... We take a stand and defend our space and being allies is supporting your allies. We don't expect them to come fight every night but changing sides when things get hot... well time will tell... time will tell -= The Company senator =-
Fuze Rogue	Posted - 2005.01.31 19:24:00 - [226] Originally by: Diemos To all the flaming nubs Wow, very mature Diemos, while trolling/flaming is (barely) acceptable in my book, N.A.Z.I jokes very much arn't. Does this represent Supremacy humour?
Valan	Posted - 2005.01.31 20:47:00 - [227] Edited by: Valan on 31/01/2005 20:46:48 That is the lowest thing I've ever seen posted. Can't believe the mods have not snipped it.
Angelkiss	Posted - 2005.01.31 21:23:00 - [228] I'm still waiting for the apology but since that's not happening, I guess we all know what kind of character the Supremacy members have. After all, like attracts like. 3FA, good luck and safe travels. At least you're standing united by your decision. I hope when this is all over things don't "change" for your new found friends.
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.01.31 22:10:00 - [229] Edited by: Monkiboy on 31/01/2005 22:35:42 You'll be waiting a while, Diemos has just shipped off in the Army and wont be back for sometime, although we wish he was still around because he's a good friend and we'll miss him. Be that as it may, Diemos's post and comments are not representative of our corp, and therefore are not ours to apologise for, or comment about. Personally(<-- NOTE Personal context, I am speaking as myself, not as a representative of my corp from here onwards in this post), I think you people need to get out more- you seem somewhat sensitive to concepts that any person who is on the internet experiences in day to day life, may not be pleasant, but it's a part of being on the internet. Heck, to be honest, in the last 3 weeks I've seen far more unpleasant imagery going around, ranging from piles of bodies from the tsunami to stuff I wont even mention here. That's the internet, and you are all a part of it. That particular picture, I've seen displayed at least 100 times in many different places. Keep in mind, being offended isnt automatic- you made a conscious choice to be offended. I'd suggest you keep this thread about the game, instead of degenerating it into yet another victim complex thread. I might add- I believe the point Diemos was trying to make, that appears to be lost in the "I'm so terribly offended" posts- is that arguing here has no value. You'll never convince us we're wrong, and we'll never convince you that you are wrong. Accept that people are the way they are and deal with it. Monkiboy
Storm Mage	Posted - 2005.01.31 23:04:00 - [230] Much respect to 3rd Front. Choices like that are not easy, and it is even harder to stand by them. Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Cantari	Posted - 2005.02.01 00:53:00 - [231] QuoteYou'll be waiting a while, Diemos has just shipped off in the Army and wont be back for sometime, although we wish he was still around because he's a good friend and we'll miss him.Quote Ah great, they someone like that have a gun? Cantari
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.02.01 00:55:00 - [232] Originally by: Cantari QuoteYou'll be waiting a while, Diemos has just shipped off in the Army and wont be back for sometime, although we wish he was still around because he's a good friend and we'll miss him.Quote Ah great, they someone like that have a gun? Cantari Nahhh, he's prolly of to be a towelboy
Fuze Rogue	Posted - 2005.02.01 02:34:00 - [233] Edited by: Fuze Rogue on 01/02/2005 02:40:47 Quote: You'll be waiting a while, Diemos has just shipped off in the Army and wont be back for sometime, although we wish he was still around because he's a good friend and we'll miss him. Fck me... Originally by:* Angelkiss I'm still waiting for the apology but since that's not happening, I guess we all know what kind of character the Supremacy members have. After all, like attracts like. Yep.
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.02.01 03:55:00 - [234] I've seen that pic dozens of times, never ceases to make me think the person posting it is an immature jerk. http://eve.klaki.net/
Andrew Redburn	Posted - 2005.02.01 16:41:00 - [235] Sorry, but the picture to me tells a sad truth. If you can't get a sense beyond it, it is your problem, but in no way reason to be offended. AND PLEASE people, stop commenting anything you regard as a very bad joke ****-xxx.
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.02.01 20:52:00 - [236] Just to fleetingly return to the topic in hand I'd like to submit my personal endorsement. I'm ex-3FA and =S= everyone there but now the time has come where I can no longer call 3FA my friends. I've kept in touch with a lot of them but the truth remains that my feelings for SUPRM far outweigh the friendship for 3FA. As 3FA are all but in bed with SUPRM, I'm going to actively lobby my corporation in any future xetic votes against 3FA. STK have a sizeable vote in all xetic affairs and making this mistake 3FA may be detrimental to future xetic relations.
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.02.01 21:32:00 - [237] Originally by: Kerosene Just to fleetingly return to the topic in hand I'd like to submit my personal endorsement. I'm ex-3FA and =S= everyone there but now the time has come where I can no longer call 3FA my friends. I've kept in touch with a lot of them but the truth remains that my feelings for SUPRM far outweigh the friendship for 3FA. Hello Kerosene...It has been a while since you left 3rd Front, alongside with M'8'S, to pursue richer environments. I see you are indeed still alive and well, good to see. Originally by: Kerosene As 3FA are all but in bed with SUPRM, I'm going to actively lobby my corporation in any future xetic votes against 3FA. How sympathetic. How long is it since you have been to Lower Syndicate? I don't recall having talked with you for about what, half a year? maybe..just maybe, there are things happening you are not aware of, but could have been, if you had simply sent an eve-mail? No offense, but apart from the flattery that 3rd Front should at all be voted upon in XETIC, what exactly gives you the right and insight to threaten that you, on behalf of your corp (who have no chance to know who we are), will pursue the possibility of hurting us? Is that normal procedure for XETIC? Originally by: Kerosene STK have a sizeable vote in all xetic affairs You no doubt have. I make no intention of knowing what influence you have...as I haven't asked. Originally by: Kerosene and making this mistake 3FA may be detrimental to future xetic relations. You know, what you are saying now is in somewhat sharp contrast with what Yoristar said in the former shared channel between XETIC/JQA/3rd Front. After the disastrous battle in VV, I recall XETIC fleet commanders apologizing profusely, even going so far as to state they would look into the possibility of refunding some of the ships lost due to them warping out and leaving us behind...And now, an executive/senator/director/whichever your title may be comes along and, out of the blue, condemns our actions? But it's nice to know that old friendships don't die out that easily. Now, if you want to know what's happening in lower Syndicate, you know who I am, convo me..And I will in return promise to show you the courtesy of not mentioning how you and yours left 3rd Front Alliance, back in the days. Just for good measures, does this mean we can expect XETIC pilots (whom, last time we saw them, congratulated us on our fighting abilities, our determination and guts) to now start shooting on us, when they at some point return to Lower Syndicate? Really. Kerosene, you're a good guy, but stop with the threats. If you want to show your disdain for our choices (which you know next to nothing of), some out to PC9, say hi to me, and while shaking hands, open fire on me. Deskjockey papertigers don't really do much to me. Have a productive evening. -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.02.02 00:08:00 - [238] Originally by: Kerosene As 3FA are all but in bed with SUPRM I'm curious what is meant by this.. after all 3fa arent in our gangs, they dont provide us with minerals, via controlible stations like has become common practice in other regions. They are prefectly neutral. Are you just annoyed that we arent the ebil pirates you try to make us out to be? They get on with enjoying the game as they see fit. Why not left them do so in peace. --thoth
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.02.02 00:44:00 - [239] What I say are my own views, not xetic's, but the point of my post wasn't to threat, merely to outline that my alliegences may change, but my morality won't. SUPRM are pirates. I regret some of my words, I'm not diplomatic at all.
Monkiboy	Posted - 2005.02.02 00:47:00 - [240] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Kerosene As 3FA are all but in bed with SUPRM I'm curious what is meant by this.. after all 3fa arent in our gangs, they dont provide us with minerals, via controlible stations like has become common practice in other regions. They are prefectly neutral. Are you just annoyed that we arent the ebil pirates you try to make us out to be? They get on with enjoying the game as they see fit. Why not left them do so in peace. He's just trolling dude, I wouldnt worry about it.
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:05:00 - [241] Originally by: Kerosene What I say are my own views, not xetic's, Yet you claimed you would use your corp's not insubstantial (by your claims) influence to vote against us in any form, should we ever get on the discussion in XETIC council? Originally by: Kerosene but the point of my post wasn't to threat, merely to outline that my alliegences may change, but my morality won't. Since I held you in rather high regard, I tend to take people's words seriously. Originally by: Kerosene SUPRM are pirates. I regret some of my words, I'm not diplomatic at all. Fair enough. See you around, perhaps. Maybe one day I'll even get a chance to tell you what's going on, if it actually does interest you. Good day. -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:08:00 - [242] Originally by: Kerosene merely to outline that my alliegences may change, but my morality won't. When your morality consists of thinly veiled threats, all because after talking to us, 3FA found they could live in peace beside us.. i wouldnt be boosting about it.. You are trying to bully a smaller alliance into fighting a war that they found they didnt need to fight, after your alliance ran and left them to die. it basically consists of schoolchild mentality "If you talk to such and such, i wont be your friend anymore" which means your friendship is only based on how much you can use other party. On the other hand, all we ask is that they respect us and our space, after that they can do as they like.. which of us are the ebil pirate? We fought 3fa, they had fun, we had fun.. the fun is over for them, we talked, we got peace, they can go back to enjoying the game.. i really dont see what is so wrong about that.. --thoth
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:54:00 - [243] Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Martinus Crimson Originally by: Skape Gote Originally by: Heptameron Ifni, i have a lot of respect for you as a pilot, but please... don't confuse them leaving with the reason why we are mad at them. It's the manner in which they decided to turn away from their friends. If they had perhaps met with our leaders and explained they were unable to fight xCA any longer, unable and/or unwilling to commit more men and resources to the fight then perhaps their departure would have been seen in a different light. Instead they chose to lie, deceive and mould versions of events to their favour and try and make JQA, pilots who have laid themselves on the line far more often than has been the case with 3fa on our behalf i might add, be seen to be the bad guys. THAT my friend is why we consider ourselves to have been stabbed in the back. As for sending a force to attack them, no, we have chosen our current battlefield. Care to tell us where that is? Put your hands together for Skape Gote, You just made the most usefull post of any Supremacy in this thread. Way tha go dude. U JUST GOT FLAMED ... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Errr Ok love.......... Wtf is he on about? Anyway we might not be seeing you on the battlefield much but who cares, we know where your safespots are :D Was to funny last night, lets see who laughs last shall we? Indeed was very interesting last night, we ownd a ferox and scorpion and didn't say a word on local. You guy's do some good systemscanning and lay a trap where you manage to kill 10 frigate. and the next 2 hours you keep on smacking on local about how good you all are and stuff. c'mon ... tbh .. i LMAO'd for the rest of the night. You guy's must be soo desprerate if you thinked you owned us after killing 10 of our frigs. Anyway nice job on the 10 frigs. Apears you all where very happy with it. FACT is that the score at the end of the night was : JQA lost : 23 Frigates 1 Cruiser Suprem lost : 1 Scorpion 2 BC 4 frigs 1 Cruiser I took part personally in the removal of a raven and a scorpion on that night alone. As well as god knows how many assault frigs and normal frigs. So don't play the numbers game. We're xCA and we love numbers . Next time before you go open you're mouth on here and make yourself look stupid consider going to the following website. www.eve-kills.com Search for corp = Supremacy Reverend Necrona
Loka	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:36:00 - [244] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Next time before you go open you're mouth on here and make yourself look stupid consider going to the following website. www.eve-kills.com Search for corp = Supremacy Omg Reverend, why not post a correct link. You are sooooo lazy http://www.eve-kills.com/?corp=Supremacy _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:53:00 - [245] Now now lads, numbers aren't what we're talking about here. chuckles I think that 3FA have made their point with the subsequent release regarding hostilities with certain corporations in JQA. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
juxta	Posted - 2005.02.02 15:06:00 - [246] cant we just all have a group hug May all youre kiddes be hairy ones.
TFC Gimpli	Posted - 2005.02.06 11:03:00 - [247] funny all the jqa posts about 3rd front allying with pirates blah blah and yet jqa is now paying m0o to fight a war they claim to have had under "control" el oh el.
Professor Kent	Posted - 2005.02.07 13:41:00 - [248] Originally by: TFC Gimpli funny all the jqa posts about 3rd front allying with pirates blah blah and yet jqa is now paying m0o to fight a war they claim to have had under "control" el oh el. ATTACK OF THE KILLER ALTS !

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