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Charlena
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:14:00 -
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Finfleet doing their best to get it locked.
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Plagues
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Plagues on 28/01/2005 16:18:33
 Originally by: Nathan Voughn
Plagues i thought of you as a decent guy, constructive and skilled. Now i wonder if i just followed an illusion.
Just admit it, its only an excuse for you to do what you wanted to do anyway. You requested 24h to leave, you got 48, and after that time you were still in FA space... you knew that you will be treated as neutral after the grace period is over.
But you choose to find an excuse to turn on FA. Revol mark3?
Were you about to say "bring it on"? Instead of being professional you rather run here and post "ooh my god! the evil FA just killed 1 (in words: one) ship, now they have to suffer"
Should i point you to the Jazz leaving thread? What did you guys say there again? That you are leaving with a heavy heart? That you enjoyed your time in FA? Cant be that bad after all ey, seeing as you stayed around for some time, you were even High Command of the FA, you had the decision making power... It was in your power to lead the FA... now you spread all kinds of crap, very inconsistent imo.
Makes you wonder really what your agenda is.
Anyway, have fun. Hope you dont make a fool of yourself, doesnt suit you.
Hmm i dont remember asking anyone for 24 hrs to leave so you must be reffering to jazz "get it straight"
I posted in no replies with ref to jazz leaving FA and the good post's about jazz etc "get that straight"
I dont need an excuse to turn on FA you made my mind up ages ago " have that straight up"
The stuff you say where i talk about the crap ? admit it "thats more straighter than you really want to make public"
"Now get this straight FA management suck and we are heading straight back up"
take it how u like
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Plagues
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:20:00 -
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Hey dont diss fin fleet they are a damn good corp. its a shame they bending over still for FA
sorry Mr B had to throw that one in m8 :)
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:30:00 -
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Hmm, I've suddenly seen the what FA are trying to pull.
ARTW splits from Jazz, Jazz leaves FA.
FA thinks, we can use ARTW as an excuse to boot Jazz on security grounds and then charge Jazz for a corp pass to collect their stuff as they'll be weakened from losing some of their pvp'ers.
Is that extortion or piracy?
If there's anything we have left behind which we need we'll come and take it and we'll not be buying a pass.
Your greed and paranoia have got the better of you this time, so drink the poison you have brewed for yourself.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 28/01/2005 16:33:32
Originally by: Darial
Tornsoul and his/her hand picked cronies are running FA as a dictatorship?
I had a 2 days break from EVE, and 'came back' to (surprisingly) finding myself in that position. (I actually missed the council meeting where this was decided)
Someone (the council) saw fit to put (read vote!) a number of ppl into that position.
I can assure you, I had zero to do with that - But will duly fullfill the duties of the post I've been selected to perform for the FA.
Oh - You forgot to mention, the council can change this anytime they see fit btw.
I suggest you go handpick some facts instead of spreading nonsense
BIG Lottery
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Mr Blackwell
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Posted - 2005.01.28 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plagues
Hey dont diss fin fleet they are a damn good corp. its a shame they bending over still for FA
sorry Mr B had to throw that one in m8 :)
heh ya think the ghay emperor will bend?
Its kinda sad to see that some of my best students from my ghay school has left,but it doesnt matter cus you all are still my biatches.
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Calmity Jayne
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Posted - 2005.01.28 17:23:00 -
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Quote:
We kept our word. Jayne promised to be out in 24 hours, we gave you double that and then requested you buy passes (like anyone else). If that was unacceptable to you then you probably shouldn't have promised to leave in 24 hours.
The so called 'promise' was delivered in an iRC conversation in the FA-Commander channel. However, I didn't speak to Baun at all and only said Jazz would try to be clear in 24 hours. Now, as it happens, Jazz the Corp was clear in 24 hours. However, some Jazz members, due to not logging on, found themselves still in Fountain.
I find this thread really disappointing. Jazz were amongst the most active defenders of FA. Some would claim we were THE most active. We gave our all for the Alliance. It's just sad that they couldn't honour their own rule regarding Coprs leaving FA. Maybe I'm just too naive.
It's true that Jazz were elected to the 'High Council'. What is also true is that the High Council does absolutely nothing. The way things get changed in FA is through the FA.Command channel and meetings. I became frustrated at the fact that I seemed to be a voice alone on those channels a lot of the time. I don't blame FA for that, that's democracy after all. But, because we generally didn't agree with the way things were going, we chose to leave because that's one decision I can make without needing the FA Council behind me. Why we don't get the customary one week to clear Fountain is totally beyond me, regardless of who our new friends may be.
It's a shame it's come to this. It didn't need to. Farewell FA, maybe CCP can arrange the 'Last Post'to be played as your sun finally sinks beyond the horizon.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
So, listen, enough of this.
Where's the videos?
the only video i have is after the inital battle with bauns fleet ater that we moved to YZ-MN5 ect... and all of fa safe spoted except for maybe 3 or 4 guys 
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Darial
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Posted - 2005.01.28 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
I had a 2 days break from EVE, and 'came back' to (surprisingly) finding myself in that position. (I actually missed the council meeting where this was decided)
Someone (the council) saw fit to put (read vote!) a number of ppl into that position.
I can assure you, I had zero to do with that - But will duly fullfill the duties of the post I've been selected to perform for the FA.
Oh - You forgot to mention, the council can change this anytime they see fit btw.
I suggest you go handpick some facts instead of spreading nonsense
So the FA Council can nominate (and vote on) anyone they want for any position without even asking the person if they are the slight bit interested in that position ? I very much doubt that.
I am only referencing information posted on the Xanadu (FA) boards, if that is incorrect then fix it. I took it as fact as it was posted on an official FA members forum.
And btw if it was on the agenda for the council meeting, which corp added it to the agenda ?
As for your 2 days break from Eve, don't make me laugh, you rarely spend more than 2 hours in Eve per day (or at least you were never online in Alliance channel for much longer than that).
And since Baun didn't answer my question, maybe you can, is Baun on the FA emergency committee ?
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:14:00 -
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I look forward following examples of poor leadership through the emergency meetings and misguided votes.
As FA premier corporations (Creme de la creme of the alliance leaves) which one by one they will examples Inc jazz/s-44 - plus even more corporations previously premier in FA defense.
Our poor lil'ol FC Baun will be fighting an ever increasingly losing battle. Soz m8ty to get personal. lol but ic u as a stone in a fountain. Not to mention just one clown in FA military leadership. Oh and Shinra n CO down south. Keep up the good work FA knows delve -period basis is key to their future
Anti-FA combatent forces will notice ever more instances of poor leadership through their fleets of ships ever more unbalanced, unruly quite frankly dismal attempt of defense. Which will be conquered through the use of clever tactics and out right aggressiveness which most of FA are unable to counter?
Oh and just one more thing. FA trial members. Ure most targeted soz but ure easy prey. Not to mention FA leadership probably counting on new blood to hang on to their ideals.
CU
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Kind Regards
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Calmity Jayne
Quote:
We kept our word. Jayne promised to be out in 24 hours, we gave you double that and then requested you buy passes (like anyone else). If that was unacceptable to you then you probably shouldn't have promised to leave in 24 hours.
The so called 'promise' was delivered in an iRC conversation in the FA-Commander channel. However, I didn't speak to Baun at all and only said Jazz would try to be clear in 24 hours. Now, as it happens, Jazz the Corp was clear in 24 hours. However, some Jazz members, due to not logging on, found themselves still in Fountain.
Selective memory Jayne...
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2005.01.25 19:04:00
I fully understand and accept FA's decision. Please be assured Jazz is neither assisiting nor approves of ARTW's actions. We hope to be clear of FA space in 24 hours. Good luck FA, it was an honour.
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2005.01.25 18:59:00
Jayne,
From the FA boards, *EMERGENCY DECISION* JAZZ gets the boot
Due to the attacks on FA by ex-JAZZ Members in the corp now known as ARTW, JAZZ is being kicked from the alliance due to threat of ARTW alts remaining in JAZZ and compromising coms.
We appologize for this, but it is something that for our own security must be done.
JAZZ is not KOS at this time still.
Posted per Coug
Per this decision, I have ejected Jazz from the FA, Fly well, Fly true, Good luck in your future.
nashi
Regardless any (now apparent) I'll feelings - At least stick to the truth.
You yourself set a (fuzzy) deadline - which was much shorter than any FA had previosly given (a week would be standard, as I belive Dyvim? has already pointed out).
FA doubled your self imposed very short deadline from 24h to 48h.
After the 48h Jazz where set to neutral (not KOS) - and treated like any other neutral in FA.
Now given that you say you hoped to be out within 24 hours, its only fair to think that you would have told all your pilots to be out within that time.
Regardles, knowing the logistics involved, FA extended it to the 48h to give the 'stragglers' some additional time.
And yet FA gets this rubbish from you, about not giving you a week to get out...
You never asked for a week to get out - You asked for 24h, and got 48h.
Did you set yourself such a short deadline to achieve this mess we have now? One wonders...
BIG Lottery
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
Last night Baun opened fire on one of our ships, the rest is history.
What are you talking about? I never shot anyone. For the love of consistency get your story straight.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.01.28 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
Our poor lil'ol FC Baun will be fighting an ever increasingly losing battle. Soz m8ty to get personal. lol but ic u as a stone in a fountain. Not to mention just one clown in FA military leadership.
What are you lot? Obsessed with me? Get a grip.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2005.01.28 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
Last night Baun opened fire on one of our ships, the rest is history.
What are you talking about? I never shot anyone. For the love of consistency get your story straight.
[ 2005.01.27 21:55:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Baun [EVEM] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 105.2 damage.
you shot at me  
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.01.28 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchuss
Originally by: Baun
Originally by: Dyvim Slorm
Last night Baun opened fire on one of our ships, the rest is history.
What are you talking about? I never shot anyone. For the love of consistency get your story straight.
[ 2005.01.27 21:55:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Baun [EVEM] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 105.2 damage.
you shot at me
I know ;p. I am curious what was your HP at the end there Bacchus? When your 15 ships finally managed to jam me I was pretty sure i had started into structure.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2005.01.28 20:42:00 -
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actualy you had me worried as i seemd to be the primary target of atleast 3 of the Bs's but no you didint get int ostruct you did however get me down to apx 15-20% armor left
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Merlin
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:18:00 -
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I find some of the selective logic here quite astonishing.
Calmity Jaynes's "offer" that we would be out within 24 hours was nothing more than a comment - in what other way can "we hope to be clear of FA space in 24 hours" be interpreted unless you are looking to make political capital out of it?
Your "patronage" in extending our alledgedly self imposed time constraint is laughable when you admit yourselves that the usual is 1 week.
Lets face it - you thought Jazz may have been helping The Art of War. In the circumstances, from a neutral perspective, this may be seen as fair comment.
However;
I find it particularly disappointing that the Fountain "Alliance" "leadership" (leadership - ho ho ho) cannot seem to exhaust the sensible diplomatic channels before resorting to tantrum tactics and booting Jazz without trusting us. You then say you treat us as neutrals - i.e. Kill on Sight. Dont even try to deny that you wouldn't REALLY care if a Jazz ship got destroyed.
All this implied posturing about the Jazz / Art of War relationship is offensive; I have flown with all those guys but once they chose their own path that was their decision. Jazz respected that but did not help them - and in turn The Art of War respected that.
Trust and Respect are huge words - they just are not in the BIG dictionary.
All that FA have done on this thread is attempt to defend the indefensible. Which is ironic no?
"Do not be daunted when chaos reigns all around - it undoubtedley will" Brig James Hill DSO** MC before Normandy
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amego
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:43:00 -
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strange how ppl you never see for 6 months pop up on the forums. Tornsoul as the leader or ****** as we like to call him, never showed his face once in yz-lql in all the time i was in FA. great leadership oh sorry i mean dictatorship cough. Does Tornsoul really exsist ?? has he been brought to 30k skillpoints and its been covered up hence his permadocked state??? maybe he has no clone and aint risking it to undock ??? answers on a postcard. The most imaginative oh sorry i mean comical response will receive an imperial ibis lmao woooooooooooohoooooooooo
and the beat goes on and on and on and on ...know wat i mean ts ????
the word is RELENTLESS. and btw did you have to go to a council meeting for permission ...yes i said permission....to post on eve forums.....well did ya huh huh
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amego
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Posted - 2005.01.28 21:48:00 -
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there is one hand picked fact as you asked for it
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Charlena
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Posted - 2005.01.28 22:04:00 -
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When BIG gets desperate enough, CCP will just spawn a ship for their scam, err lottery.
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Noemie
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Posted - 2005.01.28 22:04:00 -
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blablabla
typical anti-FA propaganda
please stop flaming forum, has this war is in-game
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.01.28 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: qrac on 28/01/2005 22:23:10
Originally by: amego
strange how ppl you never see for 6 months pop up on the forums. Tornsoul as the leader or ****** as we like to call him, never showed his face once in yz-lql in all the time i was in FA. great leadership oh sorry i mean dictatorship cough. Does Tornsoul really exsist ?? has he been brought to 30k skillpoints and its been covered up hence his permadocked state??? maybe he has no clone and aint risking it to undock ??? answers on a postcard. The most imaginative oh sorry i mean comical response will receive an imperial ibis lmao woooooooooooohoooooooooo
and the beat goes on and on and on and on ...know wat i mean ts ????
the word is RELENTLESS. and btw did you have to go to a council meeting for permission ...yes i said permission....to post on eve forums.....well did ya huh huh
i see tornsoul in gang atm chasing shinra in pb. *cough* pwned *cough*
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.01.28 23:11:00 -
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Serious question:
If it was so bad, and so wrong what actions did you take to help matters within FA?
A) Organize other corps and feed them b5hit to get them to hate BIG and XAN to try and throw them out
B)Take an ACTIVE role in talking one on one with those you have problems with and SOLVING problems instead of feeding the problem and making worse
C)Leave the problem, let it fester, let your members hate their x-alliance m8s then quit and decide its more fun to engage your old alliance m8s
Which one of those are the most correct?
Adam C> The clown comment, I can only assume that was meant towards me.
Thought I knew you, thought you knew me. Guess not.
Is it true that all snakes in the grass move on their bellies cause they are spineless?
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Psychosis81
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:27:00 -
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I really have to say reading this post is hilarious,
especially the last one by insane calling people spineless omg and what would that make fa the mighty alliance that wont engage something unless theyve got em majorly outnumbered, its a joke ive been in 75fa most the week the only time you engage FOUR! of us yep thats 4 of us is when youve got roughly around 30 people in local and even then ive saw your bs hug the gates like scared kids.
Its a joke you havent got a clue how to manage a core defence force even with your mighty 40 man blob goin round were takin out bs under your noses.
This is the 1st time ive ever posted on these boards cus usually i dont see the point but fa u really make me laugh thinkin your so brilliant when in fact u cant handle 4 bs in core and have the nerve to say about us ganking you.
If I remember correctly i was doing exactly the same thing in curse when i was in fa and everyone was buzzin when we got a kill.
Another thing the whole time i was in the alliance the standing joke was when we saw a player from big we took a screenshot was damn hard to get em aswell.
All i can say is thank god i left fa cus man its a joke you can flame me as much as you like dont bother me in the slightest all i will say is ill see you lot in eve.
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DARTHMAUL sith
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:31:00 -
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I dont very often post on this forum so you guys are lucky 
I do however find it disturbing that fa can treat people they used to call friends like this (it is only a game after all), however it is not until you leave fa (im ex fa btw) that you can see how much of a vindictive and greedy alliance fa is, although there are a few good corps in fa most of them are just interested in fattening there wallets up and stabbing people in the back. Also scince the cfs war fa dont seam to be making many friends just A LOT of enemys which as we all know isnt helping there cause, so i do hope "some" of fa do hold on although tbh we all know fa are going down, so see you on the battle field guys and......
DOWN WITH FA!!!!!!!!! soon(tm)
and for you fa guys that dont think fa is going down a bit of linkage for you:
ATUK KILL BOARD
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Darial
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
i see tornsoul in gang atm chasing shinra in pb. *cough* pwned *cough*
Thats about the only place you will see him, protecting his almighty conquerable station in TPAR. I bet BIG are the only FA corp still making isk from that station, even though plenty of good ideas were discussed for sharing the profit from conquerable stations in delve/pb.
I remember when Jazz took that station in TPAR after a hostile corp took it from BIG, Tornsoul couldn't wait to start shooting at it to take it back for BIG so they didn't lose too much profit to Jazz. Thats the sort of Alliance behaviour you get from BIG.
I suppose he/she will try deny that too.
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Darial
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Psychosis81
Another thing the whole time i was in the alliance the standing joke was when we saw a player from big we took a screenshot was damn hard to get em aswell
That had me in stiches m8, but I could well believe it.
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EviL ElecTricIaN
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: EviL ElecTricIaN on 29/01/2005 00:53:43
Perhaps this'll shed some light on the matter (to non-FA members)
Linkage
Good luck to JAZZ, and congratulations for standing up and showing a pair. As a personal sign of respect, I'll do my best to not shoot at any of you I may cross paths with over the nest week or so
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Plagues
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Posted - 2005.01.29 00:49:00 -
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Hmm i wonder if this is FA up to its old tricks again ?
2005.01.28 21:49:00
Guiding Hand Social Club has declared war on The Art of War. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled.
ohh well more targets to shoot at, we will be in and around FA core
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.01.29 01:41:00 -
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Well, it's been a while since I ranted on any sort of forum, so figure good a time as any to bust it out.
1. It absolutely astounds me that there is no sense of leniency given to a corp who undoubtedly provided some of the most pvp'ers for FA in general. This would include not only Plagues leading a perma-fleet in PB for I don't even know how long, but most of the Jazz tac-ops wing making up the majority of the gang at that point.
2. I'm sorry, when did having alts in other corps make that a KOS-able offense? It's well known that Xan/Big have enemy alts in there, but ffs, let's keep them around, for ye olde donations are unyielding About as useful as t1ts on a boar.
3. Baun making this personal with Loka and insulting his mental state is little more than a cheap shot for lack of a better retort. Talking sense to Baun is like trying to ride a fetus like a horse; it just isn't possible.
4. In response to IA's post:
A. No feeding was needed, anyone who spent time in FA fleets clearly saw a lack of participation by Xan/BIG in any sort of fleet operations, in comparison with other corps and their involvement. Nobody can deny that <staring right at IA>
B. I did take an active role; I decided to become a diplomat, to try and help get things organized instead of making more enemies. To that end, when I left, FA was in more trouble than ever, despite the fact that Baun himself agreed with my ideals. And let's not forget, Jazz had how many subcommanders/fleetcommanders? Jazz was voted onto the high council, correct? Even multiple voices speaking in unison were ultimately ignored because Tornsoul was unwilling to negotiate out of the "saving face" mentality.
C. Fester would imply a lack of action. I was repeatedly told to either stfu, kicked from IRC channels, or other actions of that nature to get my message across. Jazz being shot after 2 days for no direct hostile actions is simply variations on a theme.
5. Nathan Voughn/Sastul: Just wondering, how many diplomats 4S have? I haven't seen Gresnik posting on the subject just yet. And are they on the uber-High Council? The secret one that nobody knows about except a chosen few? Comments from IA or Tornsoul, both members (expecting massive denials here)? Don't deny it, because just like the x-files, the truth is out there.
That's it, flame me to hell if you like, but this is all I've got to say about the subject.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
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