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Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:38:00 - [31] Quote: I thought CPSoBCUUVCBANF was the NEISIN number; it sure looks indistinguishable from one to me Considering ISIN codes are 12 upper case characters long, it's easily distinguished imho. A better joke would have been to really make it quasi correct. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: I thought CPSoBCUUVCBANF was the NEISIN number; it sure looks indistinguishable from one to me Considering ISIN codes are 12 upper case characters long, it's easily distinguished imho. A better joke would have been to really make it quasi correct. Like SOLODRAKBAN3?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:51:00 - [33] Originally by: flakeys Wich is why i wanted to know you would repay any lost isk for defauted loans since the investors are probably not goons. The rules of goonfleet prevent any member from defrauding any member of any corporation/alliance with a positive standing. I honestly would have trouble figuring out the exhaustive list of just who that includes these days. Originally by: flakeys That said , let's give this a nice spin since most know i have a big dislike for goons and also since you stated you can ignore offers from peole you yourself dislike.. 5B at 5% interest. Oh, I said that people I liked would get priority if they offered the same amount at the same size. I'm not one to really care who my investors are to be honest, since it really doesn't impact me. Money is funny like that.
Two Shots Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 15:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Originally by: corestwo Edited by: corestwo on 10/02/2011 13:30:34 For what it's worth, I can attest to the near-zero default rate within goonswarm. We've even had ventures collapse as our space burned to the ground around them resulting in billions of isk of lost towers...still pay investors back in full. Ironically enough, the internal goon "secondary market" is more reliable than the MD based one. I've alluded to this in the past as well, but can't be bothered to dig up the post. Defaulting/scamming a fellow (SA) goon result sin losing your SA membership doe sit not? That is what I have heard anyway. To be clear, the word "goon" does not refer to a character in EVE Online or a person who plays EVE Online. The word "goon" refers to a real-life person who spent $10 to purchase an account on Something Awful for the privilege of posting on the forums there there. That's it. Something Awful is a comedy/humor website with a forum community that has sub-forums related to a wide range of topics, from comic books to television shows, from automotive maintenance to health and fitness, from pet care to cooking, and so on. There is also a "Games" sub-forum, which has a child forum dedicated to MMOs. In that child-forum of a sub-forum, there is one (1) solitary thread devoted to GoonWaffe. Take that in perspective. The goons that you see in EVE Online are a very small sampling of goons in general, and the average goon has no idea what the hell this terrible Internet Spaceships game is and does not care what the goons who play it do. One does not get one's access to Something Awful revoked as a penalty for something done in this game, or in any other game. One gets one's access to Something Awful revoked by posting unfunny things and/or emulating the behavior of the average brain-dead idiot with Internet access. Goons are a bunch of smug-faced sperg-lords, and we don't like it when catchphrases, image macros and regurgitated 4chan memes get brandished around by people who think they're oh-so-clever for having just discovered the "sauce" for some lolcatz GIF. This brings us to the word "pubbies". That would be you, and everyone you know who does not have a Something Awful account. The word "pubbie" is simply a derogatory word for "the public". You see, "pubbie" is like some sort of mongoloid short-hand for "public," because while we're all smug bastards none of us were quite sharp enough to realize that "pubbie" and "public" have the same number of latters. C'est la vie. In general, goons tend to make fun of the average Internet user because we think you're all stupid. Never mind the fact that we're among the most (sometimes intentionally) inept people in the world when it comes to just about everything: the fact that we're "us" and you're "them" makes us "better than you". Why? Because. Why did I waste your time with the above two paragraphs? To set the floor for this next one! When goons get together to play a video game or do some other thing, we do it as a fairly tight-knit group. It's kind of like the Special Needs class at your local elementary school going on a field trip: we hold hands, sing out of key, and sometimes fail to control our biological functions. A lot of the time, we don't even make it back with our padded helmets. What you should take from all this hurfing and blurfing is that goons help goons. The number one rule of just about every goon guild is that if you want to play with goons then you don't screw over other goons. This rule has varied meanings tailored to the specific game, but in this game it includes defaulting on money borrowed from another goon or money entrusted to your management by the goon guild as a whole. You don't do that. If other goons were to default on Kalrand's loans to them, then they would get kicked from the corporation and never allowed to rejoin. And that's been your lesson for the day. The more you know! Enjoy the character-limit text wall. Two Shots Goonwaffe
GreasyCarl Semah	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: GreasyCarl Semah I give this bond issue a rating of fff- I would be quite curious what criteria you used to come to this conclusion. Also, I missed your first post on MD, but let me welcome you to the board with this, your second. I really hate to point out the obvious, but doesn't Goonswarm have a less than stellar reputation? I think that would weigh heavily on any scheme you present.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:14:00 - [36] Originally by: GreasyCarl Semah Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: GreasyCarl Semah I give this bond issue a rating of fff- I would be quite curious what criteria you used to come to this conclusion. Also, I missed your first post on MD, but let me welcome you to the board with this, your second. I really hate to point out the obvious, but doesn't Goonswarm have a less than stellar reputation? I think that would weigh heavily on any scheme you present. I guess I'll just count my blessings that it wasn't 'ffff-' or heaven forbid, 'g+'.
flakeys The Great cornholio's	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Kalrand I'm not one to really care who my investors are to be honest, since it really doesn't impact me. Money is funny like that. Seems to work both ways then .
GreasyCarl Semah	Posted - 2011.02.10 16:21:00 - [38] Edited by: GreasyCarl Semah on 10/02/2011 16:22:12 Edited by: GreasyCarl Semah on 10/02/2011 16:21:28 Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: GreasyCarl Semah Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: GreasyCarl Semah I give this bond issue a rating of fff- I would be quite curious what criteria you used to come to this conclusion. Also, I missed your first post on MD, but let me welcome you to the board with this, your second. I really hate to point out the obvious, but doesn't Goonswarm have a less than stellar reputation? I think that would weigh heavily on any scheme you present. I guess I'll just count my blessings that it wasn't 'ffff-' or heaven forbid, 'g+'. Hey, this is just a video game, for all you know my rating scale could go down to ZZZZZ--- and you could have an investment grade offering on your hands.
Kithran	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:05:00 - [39] 1 bil @ 4.5% Kithran
Fred Freedom GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 18:11:00 - [40] FWIW (nothing), the gs_isk channel on our jabber thinks this is hilarious for three reasons: 1)Kalrand paying out would be a bigger troll to MD than him keeping 5b; 2)MD generally thinks 5% a month is an acceptable interest rate, which reinforces the 'lol pubbies' meme we've got going (10% is just as bad, really; we mostly loan money to each other as a favor, not to get the interest); 3)post-PI, we're so bloated with spaceship money that 5b is not a 'real' number to a lot of us. Kalrand stealing 5b is inconceivable to me personally because if he's not stealing at least 50b he's doing it wrong. Mostly the first one, though.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Fred Freedom ... if he's not stealing at least 50b he's doing it wrong. You are not helping him with statements like that. BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange
Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:47:00 - [42] I am not terribly interested in this (Or any other) GoonFleet offering. It's wild that this is probably one of the most legitimate offerings I see, but still. But as a matter of pure and idle curiosity. Kalrand, have you looked into being appointed a Goonswarm Federation diplomat. I have been told that the rules for diplomats and the like with regards to scamming are stricter than such rules that may apply to ordinary members.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Fred Freedom ... if he's not stealing at least 50b he's doing it wrong. You are not helping him with statements like that. The comparison if the average goon to special-ed students is used often for a reason. He was actually trying to be helpful.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 19:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Clementina But as a matter of pure and idle curiosity. Kalrand, have you looked into being appointed a Goonswarm Federation diplomat. I have been told that the rules for diplomats and the like with regards to scamming are stricter than such rules that may apply to ordinary members. You don't just get anointed "diplomat". You actually have to do diplomatic work for the alliance. My one foray into diplomacy was to offer the TALOS alliance a peace treaty before the invasion of fountain. You can see how well that worked out for everyone. I do logistical work in my spare game time. It's what I'm better at.
Fred Freedom GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:22:00 - [45] Edited by: Fred Freedom on 10/02/2011 20:22:34 Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Fred Freedom ... if he's not stealing at least 50b he's doing it wrong. You are not helping him with statements like that. I realize this. However, trolling MD with what (AFAIK) appears to be a legitimate idea is fun and I want to be in on the ground floor. So, here we are.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Fred Freedom ... if he's not stealing at least 50b he's doing it wrong. You are not helping him with statements like that. His point was, in part, that 5b is chump change. Why walk off with that? The relatively small size of the offering offers a measure of security all to itself.
Fred Freedom GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:30:00 - [47] For example, when Kalrand repays this bond, we're all going to laugh about how his offering took longer to raise money than a 1 month old newbie with an "I'm scamming ur isk" corp history took to steal 6.2b, and then we're going to troll MD with it for another week or so. It's how we roll.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:32:00 - [48] I for one would invest in Kalrand basically indefinitely. But then, I just lost 700m in a gamble on a noob.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:35:00 - [49] Dear Goonswarm, Please stop "helping". Thanks, Kalrand
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Kalrand Dear Goonswarm, Please stop "helping". Thanks, Kalrand You do realize that'll just make them want to help more right?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane I for one would invest in Kalrand basically indefinitely. But then, I just lost 700m in a gamble on a noob. Well, the current bid levels are at 4.5%, with a current clearing rate of 5%.
Two Shots Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Fred Freedom For example, when Kalrand repays this bond, we're all going to laugh about how his offering took longer to raise money than a 1 month old newbie with an "I'm scamming ur isk" corp history took to steal 6.2b, and then we're going to troll MD with it for another week or so. It's how we roll. ^ Pretty much this right here. Two Shots Goonwaffe
RAW23	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane But then, I just lost 700m in a gamble on a noob. Is it a gamble if you have no idea of the odds? Or an act of faith?
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:47:00 - [54] Originally by: Fred Freedom For example, when Kalrand repays this bond, we're all going to laugh about how his offering took longer to raise money than a 1 month old newbie with an "I'm scamming ur isk" corp history took to steal 6.2b, and then we're going to troll MD with it for another week or so. It's how we roll. It is kind of funny, tbh If I ever invest in anything on MD it'll be into stuff like MASCI or Kalrand, the guys who take pride in their blatant scammer red flags. I have a better chance at actually seeing divs than the "roleplayers" who love to "run an EVE business" and talk about "derivatives", b/c I know they're just **ing with me --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba**
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:49:00 - [55] Originally by: corestwo His point was, in part, that 5b is chump change. Why walk off with that? The relatively small size of the offering offers a measure of security all to itself. What's really shocking is that this is both true and completely untapped by the MD community in a systematic way.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.10 20:58:00 - [56] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane But then, I just lost 700m in a gamble on a noob. Is it a gamble if you have no idea of the odds? Or an act of faith? You think I had no idea of the odds, when forum history provides us a fairly good idea of the (statistical) odds.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.02.10 21:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Cheque Please It is kind of funny, tbh If I ever invest in anything on MD it'll be into stuff like MASCI or Kalrand, the guys who take pride in their blatant scammer red flags. I have a better chance at actually seeing divs than the "roleplayers" who love to "run an EVE business" and talk about "derivatives", b/c I know they're just ****ing with me But wait a second, don't you run of those role-playing business offerings yourself? So you are just kidding about paying your investors back? Good to know.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.02.10 21:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Liberty Eternal But wait a second, don't you run of those role-playing business offerings yourself? So you are just kidding about paying your investors back? Good to know. oh noes, quick.. copy paste: "I play EVE to get away from the responsibilities of day to day life. Running my trading bond is something that brings me a lot of joy in the game. If I were to simply walk with investors money, I'd ruin the credibility I've built up over time, and take away something very important to me. I'd rather earn an honest buck through my trade than scam my investors." Whew, that was close. Thanks, Riethe --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
Companion Qube Minmatar Electron Conservation Inc	Posted - 2011.02.10 21:29:00 - [59] I remain unconvinced that this offering meets MD's current "security through complexity" standard. Would you mind detailing, in depth, exactly how convoluted this system of investments is and how none of your investors could possibly lose isk as a result? ... drunkpoasting best poasting yo
Fred Freedom GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.10 21:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Cheque Please Originally by: Fred Freedom For example, when Kalrand repays this bond, we're all going to laugh about how his offering took longer to raise money than a 1 month old newbie with an "I'm scamming ur isk" corp history took to steal 6.2b, and then we're going to troll MD with it for another week or so. It's how we roll. It is kind of funny, tbh If I ever invest in anything on MD it'll be into stuff like MASCI or Kalrand, the guys who take pride in their blatant scammer red flags. I have a better chance at actually seeing divs than the "roleplayers" who love to "run an EVE business" and talk about "derivatives", b/c I know they're just **ing with me Originally by:** Cheque Please Originally by: Liberty Eternal But wait a second, don't you run of those role-playing business offerings yourself? So you are just kidding about paying your investors back? Good to know. oh noes, quick.. copy paste: "I play EVE to get away from the responsibilities of day to day life. Running my trading bond is something that brings me a lot of joy in the game. If I were to simply walk with investors money, I'd ruin the credibility I've built up over time, and take away something very important to me. I'd rather earn an honest buck through my trade than scam my investors." Whew, that was close. Thanks, Riethe See, this man gets it. Come hang out with us, you'll fit right in.

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